POL Some Voters Purged From Voter Rolls

Warandra

Membership Revoked
Some voters 'purged' from voter rolls

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- College senior Kyla Berry was looking forward to voting in her first presidential election, even carrying her voter registration card in her wallet.

But about two weeks ago, Berry got disturbing news from local election officials.

"This office has received notification from the state of Georgia indicating that you are not a citizen of the United States and therefore, not eligible to vote," a letter from the Fulton County Department of Registration and Elections said.

But Berry is a U.S. citizen, born in Boston, Massachusetts. She has a passport and a birth certificate to prove it.

The letter, which was dated October 2, gave her a week from the time it was dated to prove her citizenship. There was a problem, though -- the letter was postmarked October 9.

"It was the most bizarre thing. I immediately called my mother and asked her to send me my birth certificate, and then I was like, 'It's too late, apparently,' " Berry said.

Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered Georgia voters who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information. At least 4,500 of those people are having their citizenship questioned and the burden is on them to prove eligibility to vote.

Experts say lists of people with mismatches are often systematically cut, or "purged," from voter rolls.

It's a scenario that's being repeated all across the country, with cases like Berry's raising fears of potential vote suppression in crucial swing states.

"What most people don't know is that every year, elections officials strike millions of names from the voter rolls using processes that are secret, prone to error and vulnerable to manipulation," said Wendy Weiser, an elections expert with New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.

"That means that lots and lots of eligible voters could get knocked off the voter rolls without any notice and, in many cases, without any opportunity to correct it before Election Day."

Weiser acknowledged that "purging done well and with proper accountability" is necessary to remove people who have died or moved out of state.

"But the problem is it's not necessary to do inaccurate purges that catch up thousands of eligible voters without any notice or any opportunity to fix it before Election Day and really without any public scrutiny at all," she said.

Such allegations have flared up across the United States during this election cycle, most notably in Ohio, where a recent lawsuit has already gone to the U.S. Supreme Court.

There, the state Republican Party sued Ohio's Democratic secretary of state in an effort to make her generate a list of people who had mismatched information. But Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said generating such a list would create numerous problems too close to the election and possibly disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.

The Supreme Court last week ruled against the GOP on appeal of a lower court order directing Brunner to prepare the list.

In Florida, election officials found that 75 percent of about 20,000 voter registration applications from a three-week period in September were mismatched due to typographical and administrative errors. Florida's Republican secretary of state ordered the computer match system implemented in early September.

In Wisconsin, Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen sued the state's election board after it voted against a proposal to implement a "no-match" policy. The board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22 percent match failure rate -- including for four of the six members of the board.

The Brennan Center has also documented cases across the country of possible illegal purging, impediments to college student voting and difficulties accessing voter registration.

A lawsuit has been filed over Georgia's mismatch system, and the state is also under fire for requesting Social Security records for verification checks on about 2 million voters -- more requests than any other state.

One of the lawyers involved in the lawsuit says Georgia is violating a federal law that prohibits widespread voter purges within 90 days of the election, arguing that the letters were sent out too close to the election date.

"They are systematically using these lists and matching them and using those matches to send these letters out to voters," said McDonald, director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project in Georgia.

"It's not, you know, an individualized notion of people maybe not being citizens or not being residents. They're using a systematic purging procedure that's expressly prohibited by federal laws."

Asked if he believed that eligible voters were purged in Georgia, McDonald said, "If people who are properly eligible, are getting improperly challenged and purged, the answer would be 'Yes,' " he said.

Elise Shore, regional counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said letters like those sent to Berry appear to violate two federal laws against voter purging within 90 days of the election.

"People are being targeted, and people are being told they are non-citizens, including both naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens," said Shore, another plaintiff in the Georgia lawsuit. "They're being told they're not eligible to vote, based on information in a database that hasn't been checked and approved by the Department of Justice, and that we know has flaws in it."

Georgia's Secretary of State Karen Handel, a Republican who began working on purging voter rolls since she was elected in 2006, said that won't happen. If there are errors, she said, there is still plenty of time to resolve the problems. iReport.com: Are you voting early?

Handel says she is not worried the verification process will prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot.

"In this state and all states, there's a process to ensure that a voter who comes in -- even if there's a question about their status -- that they will vote either provisional or challenge ballot, which is a paper ballot," she said.

"So then the voter has ample opportunity to clarify any issues or address them," Handel added. "And I think that's a really important process."

Handel denied the efforts to verify the vote are suppression.

"This is about ensuring the integrity of our elections," she said. "It is imperative to have checks and balances on the front end, during the processes and on the back end. That's what the verification process is about."

So someone like Kyla Berry will be allowed to cast a provisional ballot when she votes, but it's up to county election officials whether those ballots would actually count.

Berry says she will try to vote, but she's not confident it will count.

"I know this happens, but I cannot believe it's happening to me," she said. "If I weren't allowed to vote, I would just feel like that would be ... like the worst thing ever -- a travesty."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/26/voter.suppression/index.html

Watch one report, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8PmPxlDOXM
 

Cabal

Pissed off Patriot
These folks should still be able to cast a ballot and let it go before the board of elections to determine if it's a legit vote... I know that's how NC works...
 
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Dazed

Guest
Were it not for ACORN, and their ilk, there would not need to be such a purge of voters.

Fraud is fraud. Those who have been notified of being purged have a path to verify their eligibility. Those who cannot verify are frauds.

Something must be done to keep the dead and other ineligible people from voting.

It's predominantly a product of the DNC. One would think that they, the "party of the people", would be against voter fraud, in order that every valid vote count.

But it ain't so.

Sadly.
 

Warandra

Membership Revoked
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Voting Rights Watch: Investigation says thousands wrongly denied right to register in Houston

An unusually high number of people are having their voter registration applications rejected in Harris County, Texas -- and experts say problematic reviewing of applications is to blame.

That's the finding of an investigation by KHOU TV in Houston, which turned up a number of irregularities in voter registration procedures at the Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector's office. The problems included 18-year-olds being told they weren't old enough to vote and people informed that they failed to provide information on their registration form that they did in fact provide. One woman had her form rejected because she wrote her last name with a hyphen when the state driver's license database showed no hyphen.

Frances Graham of the voter registration group Houston Votes said she registered more than 130 new voters, but one out of three were rejected for mistakes they apparently did not make, the station reports. Elections expert Lauri Van Hoose -- who reviewed registration records and confirmed there is a problem in Harris County with would-be voters being rejected due to errors on the registrar's part -- estimates that thousands of voters have been affected. The local League of Women Voters chapter also says there are problems with the registration process.

The Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector's office is headed by elected Republican Paul Bettencourt. He has justified his office's scrutiny of voter registration forms by citing concerns about widespread fraud. But in the past eight years, only one voter fraud case has been prosecuted in the county, according to KHOU.

Houston Votes estimates that a million people in Harris County who are eligible to vote are not currently registered. At the same time, thousands of voters are unknowingly purged from the county's voter files each year.
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/10/voting-rights-watch-investigation-says.asp
 

Kalliope

Inactive
Were it not for ACORN, and their ilk, there would not need to be such a purge of voters.

Fraud is fraud. Those who have been notified of being purged have a path to verify their eligibility. Those who cannot verify are frauds.

Something must be done to keep the dead and other ineligible people from voting.

It's predominantly a product of the DNC. One would think that they, the "party of the people", would be against voter fraud, in order that every valid vote count.

But it ain't so.

Sadly.

That's a lovely meme, but ACORN has absolutely nothing to do with voter purge lists. That is done by the Secretaries of State and Election Boards, who all seem to be Republican. This part was written into the HAVA by Jack Abramoff, in order to disenfranchise voters.

This is one of the first things that need to be fixed - get the elections out of the hands of both the Democrats and Republicans and just show an ID and vote. The voter purge lists allows way too power to too few people.
 

Ken Todd

Contributing Member
Wish we could apply that same standard to the person (Barry) that is on the ballot? Prove eligibility!

"Berry is one of more than 50,000 registered voters who have been "flagged" because of a computer mismatch in their personal identification information. At least 4,500 of those people are having their citizenship questioned and the burden is on them to prove eligibility to vote."
 

et2

TB Fanatic
It's nothing new. The repub's did the same thing the last 2 elections. Katherine Harris has been helping Bush for the last 8 years.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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It's just preconditioning by CNN and the MSM for an BHO loss.

In Wisconsin you can register and vote on election day. Not even a drivers license is required.

"Purging" the lists has nothing to do with one's ability to actually vote.
 

Warandra

Membership Revoked
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Voting Rights Watch: Investigation says thousands wrongly denied right to register in Houston

An unusually high number of people are having their voter registration applications rejected in Harris County, Texas -- and experts say problematic reviewing of applications is to blame.

That's the finding of an investigation by KHOU TV in Houston, which turned up a number of irregularities in voter registration procedures at the Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector's office. The problems included 18-year-olds being told they weren't old enough to vote and people informed that they failed to provide information on their registration form that they did in fact provide. One woman had her form rejected because she wrote her last name with a hyphen when the state driver's license database showed no hyphen.

Frances Graham of the voter registration group Houston Votes said she registered more than 130 new voters, but one out of three were rejected for mistakes they apparently did not make, the station reports. Elections expert Lauri Van Hoose -- who reviewed registration records and confirmed there is a problem in Harris County with would-be voters being rejected due to errors on the registrar's part -- estimates that thousands of voters have been affected. The local League of Women Voters chapter also says there are problems with the registration process.

The Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector's office is headed by elected Republican Paul Bettencourt. He has justified his office's scrutiny of voter registration forms by citing concerns about widespread fraud. But in the past eight years, only one voter fraud case has been prosecuted in the county, according to KHOU.

Houston Votes estimates that a million people in Harris County who are eligible to vote are not currently registered. At the same time, thousands of voters are unknowingly purged from the county's voter files each year.
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/10/voting-rights-watch-investigation-says.asp
 

JoanD777

Senior Member
This is a hatchet job and an out-and-out lie. Channel 11 KHOU TV has an agenda. Checking for fraud, especially with outfits like Acorn registering dead people and cartoon characters, is a part of the tax assessor/collectors job.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
That's a lovely meme, but ACORN has absolutely nothing to do with voter purge lists. That is done by the Secretaries of State and Election Boards, who all seem to be Republican. This part was written into the HAVA by Jack Abramoff, in order to disenfranchise voters.

This is one of the first things that need to be fixed - get the elections out of the hands of both the Democrats and Republicans and just show an ID and vote. The voter purge lists allows way too power to too few people.

Hmmm, who was it fought tooth-and-nail against picture id's at voting time?


:screw:
 
hey

there propagandist:


"That's a lovely meme, but ACORN has absolutely nothing to do with voter purge lists. That is done by the Secretaries of State and Election Boards, who all seem to be Republican"



Can you prove this? Huh? I was tasked hundreds of times on this forum to prove my assertions.
 

expose'

The Pulse......
The local League of Women Voters chapter also says there are problems with the registration process.

These lovely ladies sent me an unsolicited voter registration form to fill out this year - under a variation of my name (though I've been a registered voter for decades under my "proper" name..:rolleyes: ) The local League of Women Voters felt I should re-register to vote by dropping my middle initial...:shr:

I wonder if I would have then been registered to vote twice? Once with the inital and once without? :rolleyes:
I also wonder how many of these registration forms were sent out to ineligible voters? And how many have been processed and will be used for fraudulent votes?:shk:
 

Kalliope

Inactive
Hmmm, who was it fought tooth-and-nail against picture id's at voting time?


:screw:

There you go, making yourself dizzy again. I'm against a Nat'l ID. I not 100% sure about not showing an ID to vote - in larger cities/states, I am sure it is needed. If you live in a town of say 10k, why? Everyone pretty much knows everyone, or knows of them.

Once again, your dizziness, registering to vote under Mickey Mouse, is NOT VOTER FRAUD, it's registration fraud. It doesn't mean you get to vote - that part is the voter fraud. If ya'll would bother to actually read our posts, there has only been 25 actual cases, by the Bush admin, that have been out and out voter fraud.

Why is ya'll can't or refuse to understand the differences? Does it help you to sleep better at night, righteous in your ignorance?
 

Kalliope

Inactive
there propagandist:


"That's a lovely meme, but ACORN has absolutely nothing to do with voter purge lists. That is done by the Secretaries of State and Election Boards, who all seem to be Republican"


Can you prove this? Huh? I was tasked hundreds of times on this forum to prove my assertions.

At this moment, I know of MO, CO, GA, FL, and I think MI. Still on the hunt for the rest of them.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Nothing to do with the State Republicans.

It is a Federal Law enacted in 2006.

The States -have- to certify the voting lists.
 

Kalliope

Inactive
there propagandist:


"That's a lovely meme, but ACORN has absolutely nothing to do with voter purge lists. That is done by the Secretaries of State and Election Boards, who all seem to be Republican"

Can you prove this? Huh? I was tasked hundreds of times on this forum to prove my assertions.

Add Alabama and Arizona to Republican Secretaries of State.
 

Blastoff

Veteran Member
we have 200000 possibly fraudulent registrations submitted this election cycle alone in OH - and our Democratic Secretary of State fought to not have to verify those registrations before the election

One of the few things Obama is on the record for is his opposition to requiring voters to produce ID at the polls
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
There you go, making yourself dizzy again. I'm against a Nat'l ID. I not 100% sure about not showing an ID to vote - in larger cities/states, I am sure it is needed. If you live in a town of say 10k, why? Everyone pretty much knows everyone, or knows of them.

Once again, your dizziness, registering to vote under Mickey Mouse, is NOT VOTER FRAUD, it's registration fraud. It doesn't mean you get to vote - that part is the voter fraud. If ya'll would bother to actually read our posts, there has only been 25 actual cases, by the Bush admin, that have been out and out voter fraud.

Why is ya'll can't or refuse to understand the differences? Does it help you to sleep better at night, righteous in your ignorance?


Your answer was ignorant and pure spin. I never even mentioned voter registration.

My statement was straight-forward and clear - require picture id at all polling places, and a signature confirming understanding of prosecution for fraudulent voting.

And I state again, who always fights against confirmed legality of voters at the polling places?
 

Kalliope

Inactive
there propagandist:

"That's a lovely meme, but ACORN has absolutely nothing to do with voter purge lists. That is done by the Secretaries of State and Election Boards, who all seem to be Republican"

Can you prove this? Huh? I was tasked hundreds of times on this forum to prove my assertions.

It appears that ID, WY, ND, SD, NE, FL, GA, IN, KY, LA, MI, MS, SC, TX, WV have Republican Secretary of States. Some of them you just can't tell, because they don't put their party affiliation in their bio's, in fact, several don't even have bio's, that I could find.

It seems that KY, FL, GA, MI, WV are swing states with Republican Secretary of States, so anything could happen.
 
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