EBOLA Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients

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Some U.S. hospitals weigh withholding care to Ebola patients


By Julie Steenhuysen and Sharon Begley

CHICAGO/NEW YORK Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:16pm EDT


(Reuters) - The Ebola crisis is forcing the American healthcare system to consider the previously unthinkable: withholding some medical interventions because they are too dangerous to doctors and nurses and unlikely to help a patient.

U.S. hospitals have over the years come under criticism for undertaking measures that prolong dying rather than improve patients' quality of life.

But the care of the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States, who received dialysis and intubation and infected two nurses caring for him, is spurring hospitals and medical associations to develop the first guidelines for what can reasonably be done and what should be withheld.

Officials from at least three hospital systems interviewed by Reuters said they were considering whether to withhold individual procedures or leave it up to individual doctors to determine whether an intervention would be performed.

Ethics experts say they are also fielding more calls from doctors asking what their professional obligations are to patients if healthcare workers could be at risk.

U.S. health officials meanwhile are trying to establish a network of about 20 hospitals nationwide that would be fully equipped to handle all aspects of Ebola care.

Their concern is that poorly trained or poorly equipped hospitals that perform invasive procedures will expose staff to bodily fluids of a patient when they are most infectious. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is working with kidney specialists on clinical guidelines for delivering dialysis to Ebola patients. The recommendations could come as early as this week.

The possibility of withholding care represents a departure from the "do everything" philosophy in most American hospitals and a return to a view that held sway a century ago, when doctors were at greater risk of becoming infected by treating dying patients.

"This is another example of how this 21st century viral threat has pulled us back into the 19th century," said medical historian Dr. Howard Markel of the University of Michigan.

Some ethicists and physicians take issue with the shift.

Because the world has almost no experience treating Ebola patients in state-of-the-art facilities rather than the rudimentary ones in Africa, there are no reliable data on when someone truly is beyond help, whether dialysis can make the difference between life and death, or even whether cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) can be done safely with proper protective equipment and protocols.

Such procedures "may have diminishing effectiveness as the severity of the disease increases, but we simply have no data on that," said Dr. G. Kevin Donovan, director of the bioethics center at Georgetown University.

Donovan said he had received inquiries from fellow physicians about whether hospitals should draw up lists of procedures that would not be performed on an Ebola patient. "To have a blanket refusal to offer these procedures is not ethically acceptable,” he said he told the doctors.


NEW GUIDELINES

Nevertheless, discussions about adopting policies to withhold care in Ebola cases are under way at places like Geisinger Health System, which operates hospitals in Pennsylvania, and Intermountain Healthcare, which runs facilities in Utah, according to their spokesmen.

Dr Nancy Kass, a bioethicist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said healthcare workers should not hesitate to perform a medically necessary procedure so long as they have robust personal protective gear.

So far, only two U.S. hospitals have used kidney dialysis: Texas Health Presbyterian Dallas, which treated Liberian patient Thomas Duncan and where two nurses became infected, and Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, which has treated four Ebola patients at its biocontainment unit without any healthcare workers becoming infected.

Although it is not yet clear how the Dallas nurses became infected, health officials have questioned both the lack of adequate training in the use of protective gear and the decision to perform invasive procedures.

The American Society of Nephrology and CDC are now working on new dialysis guidelines for Ebola patients, whose kidneys often fail. In some cases, dialysis can help a patient get through the worst of the illness until their own immune system can fend off the virus.

Nephrologist Dr. Harold Franch said the new guidelines will consider both whether the procedure is medically necessary and whether the hospital can do it safely.

"Most academic medical centers and many good private tertiary care hospitals will be able to do this," he said. Yet he thinks many hospitals may not offer the service, since “it takes a lot of money and time to train people.”



TREAT, OR FLEE?

Throughout the history of medicine some doctors have declined to treat infectious patients or fled epidemics, said Michigan's Markel. Greek physician and philosopher Galen fled Rome during the bubonic plague 1,800 years ago, doctors deserted European cities stricken by the Black Death of the Middle Ages, and some health workers refused to treat HIV/AIDS patients in the 1980s.

"The idea that a doctor would stick to his post to the last during an epidemic, that's not part of the Hippocratic Oath," Markel said. "If you feel your life is at risk you don't have to stay and provide care."

At University of Chicago Medicine, questions of taking last-ditch measures were discussed early in the hospital's Ebola planning, said Dr. Emily Landon, a bioethicist and epidemiologist.

Decisions about offering services such as dialysis or inserting a breathing tube are made in advance by the hospital's care team in consultation with patients. But if a doctor on the team feels in the moment that she cannot provide the service, another may step in and do the procedure.

Landon views dialysis as a "no brainer" for Ebola patients, and believes the risks are fairly low to the well-trained nursing staff who have volunteered for the hospital's isolation ward.

But putting in a breathing tube and putting them on a ventilator is more controversial.

"We have very little experience with that except for Mr Duncan, who didn't do well," she said. The hospital plans to consult with patients before the need arises and plans to insert a breathing tube at the earliest sign that it might be needed.

CPR, which is performed when a patient's breathing or heart stops, also poses risks. It can involve chest compressions, inserting breathing tubes and other invasive procedures.

If a patient goes into cardiac or respiratory arrest, a team would have to don protective gear. Rushing could leave them without proper protection, but a delay could make the procedure ineffective.

That represents too great a risk for caregivers for what could be "a futile act," said Dr. Joseph Fins, chief of medical ethics at Weill Cornell Medical College in New York City.


(Editing by Michele Gershberg and Ross Colvin)


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/22/us-health-ebola-usa-interventions-idUSKCN0IB2OM20141022




 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
All valid points. It means regular hospitals like Dallas aren't equipped to handle critical Ebola patients.
Emory with it's proper bio containment facility and other places comparably equipped are the only places they should be taken care of .

Far better to have a few hospitals that can do it well and safely than many who will make dangerous mistakes or who lack the proper facilities.
 

Songbird7777777

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President, national media laud Geisinger as role model for health care reform


President Barack Obama recently praised Geisinger Health System for providing the kind of healthcare and vision America needs.

In his Sept. 9 address to Congress and a speech earlier this summer in Green Bay, WI, the President said: "Even within our own country, a lot of the places where we spend less on healthcare actually have higher quality than places where we spend more. We have to ask why places like the Geisinger Health system in rural Pennsylvania...can offer high-quality care at costs well below average, but other places in America can't. We need to identify the best practices across the country, learn from the success, and replicate that success elsewhere."

http://www.geisinger.org/about/healthier/



We have to ask why places like the Geisinger Health system in rural Pennsylvania, Intermountain Health in Salt Lake City, or communities like Green Bay can offer high-quality care at costs well below average, but other places in America can't. We need to identify the best practices across the country, learn from the success, and replicate that success elsewhere. And we should change the warped incentives that reward doctors and hospitals based on how many tests or procedures they prescribe, even if those tests or procedures aren't necessary or result from medical mistakes. Doctors across this country did not get into the medical profession to be bean counters or paper pushers; to be lawyers or business executives. They became doctors to heal people. And that's what we must free them to do.

http://www.geisinger.org/about/healthier/obama_speech.html


 

sssarawolf

Has No Life - Lives on TB
But we see the touted, we are ready for anything big mouths prove is they were just full of hot air. So much for all our medical care and ready for whatever is thrown at us being up to date and everyone well trained. All I have seen is our medical care go down hill.

Our medical profession went from finding the cause and curing to just treating the symptoms. Now hospitals and doc's have to think about turning away the sick :(.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
preatty good plan unless its me or mine....dont ya think.
WOuld not have this issue if our government feckless cowards would just say "no more"
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
preatty good plan unless its me or mine....dont ya think.
WOuld not have this issue if our government feckless cowards would just say "no more"

I'm fine with them not risking their life and limb to intubate me if I had Ebola. I don't like idea of killing the doctor who is trying to save me. But if it was my child.......
 

TXKajun

Veteran Member
Follow the $$. Sounds to me like the hospital/health plan administrators are trying to distance themselves from lawsuits over Ebola treatment.

Kajun
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Here's the end game: if the US hospital system becomes overwhelmed, ebola patients will be gathered up and put into the infamous FEMA camps/tent cities, and I foresee many patients being euthanized when they reach a certain stage of the disease in some areas. They will be the lucky ones. Others will die in a nasty pool of their own blood and vomit.

We have a choice now to not let it get to this point. We need to ride herd on our elected officials and not accept "no" for an answer: stop the flights from W. Africa and seal our borders.
 
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