Solar Solar output decline starting a new ice age in 2020?

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Is a mini ICE AGE on the way? Scientists warn the sun will 'go to sleep' in 2030 and could cause temperatures to plummet

New study claims to have cracked predicting solar cycles
Says that between 2030 and 2040 solar cycles will cancel each other out
Could lead to 'Maunder minimum' effect that saw River Thames freeze over

By Mark Prigg For Dailymail.com

10 July 2015

The Earth could be headed for a 'mini ice age' researchers have warned.

A new study claims to have cracked predicting solar cycles - and says that between 2020 and 2030 solar cycles will cancel each other out.

This, they say, will lead to a phenomenon known as the 'Maunder minimum' - which has previously been known as a mini ice age when it hit between 1646 and 1715, even causing London's River Thames to freeze over.

The new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat.

It draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone.

Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645, according to the results presented by Prof Valentina Zharkova at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno.

The model predicts that the pair of waves become increasingly offset during Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022.

During Cycle 26, which covers the decade from 2030-2040, the two waves will become exactly out of synch and this will cause a significant reduction in solar activity.

'In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun,' said Zharkova.

'Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other.

'We predict that this will lead to the properties of a 'Maunder minimum''

Effectively, when the waves are approximately in phase, they can show strong interaction, or resonance, and we have strong solar activity.

'When they are out of phase, we have solar minimums.

'When there is full phase separation, we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago.'

The Maunder Minimum (also known as the prolonged sunspot minimum) is the name used for the period starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715 when sunspots became exceedingly rare, as noted by solar observers of the time.

It caused London's River Thames to freeze over, and 'frost fairs' became popular.

This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the 'Little Ice Age' when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes.

There is evidence that the Sun has had similar periods of inactivity in the more distant past, Nasa says.

The connection between solar activity and terrestrial climate is an area of on-going research.

Some scientists hypothesize that the dense wood used in Stradivarius instruments was caused by slow tree growth during the cooler period.

Instrument maker Antonio Stradivari was born a year before the start of the Maunder Minimum.

It is 172 years since a scientist first spotted that the Sun's activity varies over a cycle lasting around 10 to 12 years.

But every cycle is a little different and none of the models of causes to date have fully explained fluctuations.

Many solar physicists have put the cause of the solar cycle down to a dynamo caused by convecting fluid deep within the Sun.

Now, Zharkova and her colleagues have found that adding a second dynamo, close to the surface, completes the picture with surprising accuracy.

'We found magnetic wave components appearing in pairs, originating in two different layers in the Sun's interior,' she said.

'They both have a frequency of approximately 11 years, although this frequency is slightly different, and they are offset in time.

'Over the cycle, the waves fluctuate between the northern and southern hemispheres of the Sun. Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%,' said Zharkova.

Zharkova and her colleagues derived their model using a technique called 'principal component analysis' of the magnetic field observations from the Wilcox Solar Observatory in California.

They examined three solar cycles-worth of magnetic field activity, covering the period from 1976-2008.

In addition, they compared their predictions to average sunspot numbers, another strong marker of solar activity.

All the predictions and observations were closely matched.

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THE SOLAR CYCLE

Conventional wisdom holds that solar activity swings back and forth like a simple pendulum.

At one end of the cycle, there is a quiet time with few sunspots and flares.

At the other end, solar max brings high sunspot numbers and frequent solar storms.

It's a regular rhythm that repeats every 11 years.

Reality is more complicated.

Astronomers have been counting sunspots for centuries, and they have seen that the solar cycle is not perfectly regular.
 

Publius

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The way the weather is going and the winters do seem to be starting earlier with the extreme intermittent cold snaps that are happening more often. We're seeing reports of weather extreme's around the world not seen in living memory. Its hard to say or predict, but I'm guessing say in another five years many will not be able to afford to heat their home and eat at the same time, along with dealing with whatever else nature dishes out,
like snow fall totals up to ten foot or more in any given winter. :snta:

A little off topic :wot: Buying a wood stove building a flue and all the other equipment is a major expense, then there is the work of cutting the wood and hauling it home. The wood gets handled a number of times before its used for heating and needs at lest be cut four or more months ahead of time to dry. I have known people thinking they were going to save some big money by heating with wood, only to find out, its more work than they bargained for, and I have even heard them say it! It's too much like work and hard work at that.
 

mecoastie

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Dupe or not.
The way the weather is going and the winters do seem to be starting earlier with the extreme intermittent cold snaps that are happening more often. We're seeing reports of weather extreme's around the world not seen in living memory. Its hard to say or predict, but I'm guessing say in another five years many will not be able to afford to heat their home and eat at the same time, along with dealing with whatever else nature dishes out,
like snow fall totals up to ten foot or more in any given winter. :snta:

A little off topic :wot: Buying a wood stove building a flue and all the other equipment is a major expense, then there is the work of cutting the wood and hauling it home. The wood gets handled a number of times before its used for heating and needs at lest be cut four or more months ahead of time to dry. I have known people thinking they were going to save some big money by heating with wood, only to find out, its more work than they bargained for, and I have even heard them say it! It's too much like work and hard work at that.

Most hardwood needs to be cut at least a year ahead to have time to properly dry. 4 months do much for your oak, hickory and hard maples. Red oak almost needs 2 yrs to get nice and dry.

Pretty excited we are getting a new woodstove to heat the house with. It is a nice soapstone with a cooktop. Not cheap but our current one is about 30 yrs old. Works well but it is time for it to be retired to my shop.
 

Normallguy

"just a human bein'"
Here's an image I found the other day of the Solar cycles.
Could be helpful in this case.
 

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