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GOLDEN STATE
Fatalism Attraction Part II: Scrotal Recall
David Cole

September 21, 2021
So what went wrong with the California recall?

Oh, not much. Just everything.

In last week’s column I predicted that a Newsom victory was assured. And I explained why a contest that was polling neck and neck a month ago was now a certain Democrat win.

Turns out “win” was an understatement. The “no on recall” margin of victory was in the millions (far more than voter fraud could account for).

How did things end so badly? Well, there’s not just one reason.

To begin with, the recall was born as a headless chicken, a bunch of activists collecting signatures with no game plan beyond “Let’s get this on the ballot.” Republican congressman (and wealthy businessman) Darrell Issa funded the 2003 recall drive because he planned to be the guy running against Governor Davis, so from the get-go there was a plan in place for where to take things after the recall got on the ballot (Issa dropped out when Schwarzenegger entered, as did L.A.’s Republican mayor—and wealthy businessman—Richard Riordan, who’d also supported the recall with an eye toward running).

So with the 2003 recall, there were always men of means at the top. And as I’ve repeatedly pointed out in previous columns, as much as ground-level activists hate hearing this, the “wee the peeple” grassroots marchers and demonstrators are almost always directionless, inept, and self-defeating without a moneyed mastermind at the top to channel their childlike energy.

Not to get all “Hitler vs. Strasser” on you, but in that particular debate, Hitler got it right in that a political idea alone is worthless without structured leadership, because “the peeple” left to their own devices usually **** things up.

So the Newsom recall began life as backwards-Bane (“What doesn’t matter is our plan”).

Once it became clear that no “superstar” candidate was going to load in on the GOP side, Larry Elder (who waited until the last minute to announce, specifically to ensure that nobody more viable entered) jumped in. But Larry can only be Larry (at almost 70, there’s no changing that black leopard’s spots). As I wrote weeks ago, the focus of the recall needed to be on the “recall yes/no” question. No words should’ve come out of the mouth of any of the opposing candidates that didn’t directly address why Newsom needed to go.

But Larry’s a showman, and he made the recall the Larry Elder show, blasting explosive word-farts about off-topic things like abortion and slavery. Larry’s “incendiary soundbite” strategy worked great back when he was trying to garner ratings for his radio show. It worked poorly as an election strategy.

Now, I don’t want to beat a dead horse regarding MAGAs—I’ve already written about how L.A.’s most vocal rightist activists eschewed canvassing and voter information drives for brawls and grotesque public displays. But it needs to be emphasized that a symbiotic relationship has developed between the MAGAs and the GOP establishment guys they supposedly despise. In California for the most part, and in L.A. entirely, our GOPs never want to actually do anything. The fatalism, the belief that “we’re never gonna win so screw it,” is not a negative to them. They’re lazy, stupid, ineffectual people who embrace the rationalization that justifies their lack of effort, lest they be forced to confront the sheer magnitude of their sloth and ineptitude.

So when MAGAs become fatalistic, when they lose themselves in fantasies about Venezuelan vote-stealing killbots, when they join the chorus of “we’re never gonna win so screw it,” they’re actually playing right into the hands of the party establishment.

MAGAs cannot help but get played. By the feds, by the left, by the establishment, by their own vaunted God King. They’re the Elmer Fudd of politics…forever hunting wabbits that best them.

For example, when the MAGAs pestered and cajoled Larry until he bowed to their demand to publicly reverse himself on 2020 election fraud and embrace the Powell/Wood/Lindell “kraken” nonsense, the GOP establishment breathed a sigh of relief. Because—and Ann Coulter has pointed this out numerous times—whatever vote shenanigans occurred in November occurred due to “pandemic emergency” changes in voting rules that the GOP establishment didn’t bother to fight prior to the election. And that same GOP establishment now wants nothing more than to avoid responsibility for its inaction.

The lunatic vote-fraud theories of MAGA fantasists are exactly what the establishment needs. These people want you to blame evil robots and satanic pedophiles. Gets them right off the hook!

“No words should’ve come out of the mouth of any of the opposing candidates that didn’t directly address why Newsom needed to go.”
Look, you probably ain’t gonna take advice from me, but as a guy who’s mixed with the fringe for 33 years, I can tell you that the most easily misled and manipulated people on the planet are the ones who think they’ve figured out the “grand conspiracy.” That’s what endeared me to King of the Hill in its earliest episodes: the fact that Dale, the “conspiracy sleuth,” was the only one on the block unaware of his wife’s affair and his son’s real father. It was a funny bit, but it also touched upon a much deeper truth.

So the Dale Gribbles of MAGA and the “working can wait” bears of the GOP establishment play off of each other, furthering an inertia that leftists take advantage of. Again, I return to the theme of the need for a man of means, a “brain,” at the top. This not only corrals and channels the nutcases, it can also circumvent a work-shy party establishment. Like when the aforementioned Richard Riordan personally bankrolled a slate of L.A. school board candidates to oppose the preternaturally evil UTLA (L.A. teachers’ union). Riordan did it for the good of his city. Not for profit (like the wealthy donors whose only interests are low taxes and cheap labor), not for partisan politics (our local GOP couldn’t care less about opposing the UTLA), not to put on a show of sound and fury that accomplishes nothing (that’s MAGA’s specialty). In that way, Riordan was like a Soros on our side.

But he’s 91 now and no one’s taken his place. So with no “brain,” we got an anencephalic recall, an unchanneled base, and an apathetic party machine.

Now, while Larry Elder was fated to fail when it came to remaining low-key and sober in an election that wasn’t about two guys going head-to-head but one governor vs. his own public approval, the MAGAs didn’t help by forcing Elder to speak public comforts to them about krazy krakens and abortion. Contrast that with Newsom’s base. Newsom had two bills in front of him, passed by the Dem legislature, awaiting his signature. SB9 and SB10 would end the very concept of single-family residence zoning, allowing the construction of multi-unit dwellings anywhere and everywhere. Passed by the senate and assembly ostensibly as solutions to California’s “housing crisis,” the bills are pure leftist racial/social engineering claptrap, intended to destroy middle- and upper-middle-class neighborhoods by abrogating zoning regulations that prohibit the construction of tenements and Section 8 slums.

Newsom went the entire recall without saying one word about whether he’d sign or veto the bills. And his supporters—who love the bills—never forced him to make a statement, because expressing support for the bills would’ve cost him votes in affluent and middle-class areas. The supporters knew where he stood; they didn’t need to hear him speak it aloud when doing so might cost him a victory.

Get the point, MAGAs and pro-lifers? Let your man win first, then pressure him. Christ, that’s so commonsense, only people like you could fail to grasp it.

And exactly one day—one ****ing day—after Newsom beat the recall by a landslide, he signed both bills. He didn’t even wait a token week to make it seem like he took time to think it over.

Something that used to annoy the hell out of me during my years as a GOP organizer is that if you ask rightist activists to downplay a particular beloved but unpopular issue for the sake of helping a friendly candidate win an election, they’ll take it as a personal slight, an insult. They want to charge into battle, giant flag flying. “Balls-out! Double-down! All ’er nuthin’! You don’t like it, ta hell with ya.”

Unlike Newsom’s base, rightists would’ve never allowed one of their politicians in a life-or-death election to soft-pedal a potentially damaging issue. And they’d be satisfied with the loss. “We lost, but at least we lost loud and proud. And in the end, ain’t that the real victory?”

No it isn’t.

This is why MAGAs continue to cling to Trump. He was always willing to be loud and proud about saying the right things…he just never followed through with actions that matched the rhetoric. But his base didn’t care.

Again, this is how MAGAs make themselves so manipulatable. They’ll help tank their own candidate just to hear him say the things that make ’em feel good inside, and they’ll ignore a politician’s inaction as long as he says the things that make ’em feel good inside.

Meanwhile, Democrats continue to win on messages engineered to sound moderate and reasonable, only to do exactly what they said they wouldn’t do once elected: “I’m not for defunding the police” (proceeds to defund the police). “I’m not for decriminalizing property crimes” (decriminalizes property crimes). “Critical race theory is a myth; I have no idea what it is” (knows exactly what it is and mandates it after taking office). “I’m not for open borders” (opens border).
Etc.
If there was one bright spot in the recall debacle, it’s this: Exit polling showed that while college-educated whites were the most adamantly pro-Newsom demographic, non-college-educated whites and Hispanic men were the first and second most adamant groups in favor of the recall. Based on exit polls and election results from Hispanic-majority cities that have low numbers of college-educated residents, it appears that just as with Anglo whites, Hispanic males (not females) without degrees (laborers mainly, one can assume) were most likely to want to boot Newsom.

Following the election, the WaPo was forced to admit that “Latino men have been moving steadily to the right,” describing a “tornado of voting drifts” in Hispanic-heavy counties. Strikingly, this shift is due in part to participation from “low propensity” Hispanic voters (“voters who didn’t usually turn out to vote”). WaPo also grudgingly ceded that these Hispanic voters are less likely to be pro-immigration.

Gosh, who was that guy several weeks ago who wrote about how nobody really knows how that community will vote until they actually start voting?

The notion of an alliance of sorts between California’s working-class Anglo and Hispanic males is a tantalizing one.

If only we had a GOP machine willing to explore it (we don’t), and activists willing to do voting and registration scutwork instead of parading around like flag-draped drag queens at burlesque-hall rallies and brawls (we don’t).

We just have the fatalistic alliance.

United for the common bad.
 
One might be inclined to conspiratorially think that the whole recall election was a successful communist deep-state op - start to finish.

Too much money, power at stake to chance a successful recall that could threaten such - instead, the optics of a failed (s)election recall was what was needed to get the "opposition" to sit down and shut up, while the communists tightened their grip on state power.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

— Franklin D. Roosevelt

YMMV.


intothegoodnight
 
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The Hammer

Veteran Member
Maybe because Dems outnumber Republicans 2:1 in the State? Just a Wild-Assed Guess.....
This. The real accomplishment was getting the recall in the first place, which was clearly an annoyance to the state powers that be. But it was nothing more than that once they mobilized the ample commie army residing in the uber-left big cities...
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
mail-in ballots
and they made Larry out to be like Donald Trump

also Newsom spent 9 times what Larry was allowed to spend on ads
and Newsom's people lied about how much Newsom was raising in their emails. Thanks to a conservative group who included a link to the Sec of State Recall Donations webpage and found the info Newsom was collecting. Big buck tens of millions while whining and crying that they were poor. Later tried to find that Donation Website on Sec of State, I tried and tried to find the right page, never found it again. Frankly I believe that Newsom asked to bury the site until after election. When I saw that page Newsom donations were ten to one.
 

Double_A

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GOLDEN STATE
Fatalism Attraction Part II: Scrotal Recall
David Cole

September 21, 2021
So what went wrong with the California recall?

Oh, not much. Just everything.

In last week’s column I predicted that a Newsom victory was assured. And I explained why a contest that was polling neck and neck a month ago was now a certain Democrat win.

Turns out “win” was an understatement. The “no on recall” margin of victory was in the millions (far more than voter fraud could account for).

How did things end so badly? Well, there’s not just one reason.

To begin with, the recall was born as a headless chicken, a bunch of activists collecting signatures with no game plan beyond “Let’s get this on the ballot.” Republican congressman (and wealthy businessman) Darrell Issa funded the 2003 recall drive because he planned to be the guy running against Governor Davis, so from the get-go there was a plan in place for where to take things after the recall got on the ballot (Issa dropped out when Schwarzenegger entered, as did L.A.’s Republican mayor—and wealthy businessman—Richard Riordan, who’d also supported the recall with an eye toward running).

So with the 2003 recall, there were always men of means at the top. And as I’ve repeatedly pointed out in previous columns, as much as ground-level activists hate hearing this, the “wee the peeple” grassroots marchers and demonstrators are almost always directionless, inept, and self-defeating without a moneyed mastermind at the top to channel their childlike energy.

Not to get all “Hitler vs. Strasser” on you, but in that particular debate, Hitler got it right in that a political idea alone is worthless without structured leadership, because “the peeple” left to their own devices usually **** things up.

So the Newsom recall began life as backwards-Bane (“What doesn’t matter is our plan”).

Once it became clear that no “superstar” candidate was going to load in on the GOP side, Larry Elder (who waited until the last minute to announce, specifically to ensure that nobody more viable entered) jumped in. But Larry can only be Larry (at almost 70, there’s no changing that black leopard’s spots). As I wrote weeks ago, the focus of the recall needed to be on the “recall yes/no” question. No words should’ve come out of the mouth of any of the opposing candidates that didn’t directly address why Newsom needed to go.

But Larry’s a showman, and he made the recall the Larry Elder show, blasting explosive word-farts about off-topic things like abortion and slavery. Larry’s “incendiary soundbite” strategy worked great back when he was trying to garner ratings for his radio show. It worked poorly as an election strategy.

Now, I don’t want to beat a dead horse regarding MAGAs—I’ve already written about how L.A.’s most vocal rightist activists eschewed canvassing and voter information drives for brawls and grotesque public displays. But it needs to be emphasized that a symbiotic relationship has developed between the MAGAs and the GOP establishment guys they supposedly despise. In California for the most part, and in L.A. entirely, our GOPs never want to actually do anything. The fatalism, the belief that “we’re never gonna win so screw it,” is not a negative to them. They’re lazy, stupid, ineffectual people who embrace the rationalization that justifies their lack of effort, lest they be forced to confront the sheer magnitude of their sloth and ineptitude.

So when MAGAs become fatalistic, when they lose themselves in fantasies about Venezuelan vote-stealing killbots, when they join the chorus of “we’re never gonna win so screw it,” they’re actually playing right into the hands of the party establishment.

MAGAs cannot help but get played. By the feds, by the left, by the establishment, by their own vaunted God King. They’re the Elmer Fudd of politics…forever hunting wabbits that best them.

For example, when the MAGAs pestered and cajoled Larry until he bowed to their demand to publicly reverse himself on 2020 election fraud and embrace the Powell/Wood/Lindell “kraken” nonsense, the GOP establishment breathed a sigh of relief. Because—and Ann Coulter has pointed this out numerous times—whatever vote shenanigans occurred in November occurred due to “pandemic emergency” changes in voting rules that the GOP establishment didn’t bother to fight prior to the election. And that same GOP establishment now wants nothing more than to avoid responsibility for its inaction.

The lunatic vote-fraud theories of MAGA fantasists are exactly what the establishment needs. These people want you to blame evil robots and satanic pedophiles. Gets them right off the hook!

“No words should’ve come out of the mouth of any of the opposing candidates that didn’t directly address why Newsom needed to go.”
Look, you probably ain’t gonna take advice from me, but as a guy who’s mixed with the fringe for 33 years, I can tell you that the most easily misled and manipulated people on the planet are the ones who think they’ve figured out the “grand conspiracy.” That’s what endeared me to King of the Hill in its earliest episodes: the fact that Dale, the “conspiracy sleuth,” was the only one on the block unaware of his wife’s affair and his son’s real father. It was a funny bit, but it also touched upon a much deeper truth.

So the Dale Gribbles of MAGA and the “working can wait” bears of the GOP establishment play off of each other, furthering an inertia that leftists take advantage of. Again, I return to the theme of the need for a man of means, a “brain,” at the top. This not only corrals and channels the nutcases, it can also circumvent a work-shy party establishment. Like when the aforementioned Richard Riordan personally bankrolled a slate of L.A. school board candidates to oppose the preternaturally evil UTLA (L.A. teachers’ union). Riordan did it for the good of his city. Not for profit (like the wealthy donors whose only interests are low taxes and cheap labor), not for partisan politics (our local GOP couldn’t care less about opposing the UTLA), not to put on a show of sound and fury that accomplishes nothing (that’s MAGA’s specialty). In that way, Riordan was like a Soros on our side.

But he’s 91 now and no one’s taken his place. So with no “brain,” we got an anencephalic recall, an unchanneled base, and an apathetic party machine.

Now, while Larry Elder was fated to fail when it came to remaining low-key and sober in an election that wasn’t about two guys going head-to-head but one governor vs. his own public approval, the MAGAs didn’t help by forcing Elder to speak public comforts to them about krazy krakens and abortion. Contrast that with Newsom’s base. Newsom had two bills in front of him, passed by the Dem legislature, awaiting his signature. SB9 and SB10 would end the very concept of single-family residence zoning, allowing the construction of multi-unit dwellings anywhere and everywhere. Passed by the senate and assembly ostensibly as solutions to California’s “housing crisis,” the bills are pure leftist racial/social engineering claptrap, intended to destroy middle- and upper-middle-class neighborhoods by abrogating zoning regulations that prohibit the construction of tenements and Section 8 slums.

Newsom went the entire recall without saying one word about whether he’d sign or veto the bills. And his supporters—who love the bills—never forced him to make a statement, because expressing support for the bills would’ve cost him votes in affluent and middle-class areas. The supporters knew where he stood; they didn’t need to hear him speak it aloud when doing so might cost him a victory.

Get the point, MAGAs and pro-lifers? Let your man win first, then pressure him. Christ, that’s so commonsense, only people like you could fail to grasp it.

And exactly one day—one ****ing day—after Newsom beat the recall by a landslide, he signed both bills. He didn’t even wait a token week to make it seem like he took time to think it over.

Something that used to annoy the hell out of me during my years as a GOP organizer is that if you ask rightist activists to downplay a particular beloved but unpopular issue for the sake of helping a friendly candidate win an election, they’ll take it as a personal slight, an insult. They want to charge into battle, giant flag flying. “Balls-out! Double-down! All ’er nuthin’! You don’t like it, ta hell with ya.”

Unlike Newsom’s base, rightists would’ve never allowed one of their politicians in a life-or-death election to soft-pedal a potentially damaging issue. And they’d be satisfied with the loss. “We lost, but at least we lost loud and proud. And in the end, ain’t that the real victory?”

No it isn’t.

This is why MAGAs continue to cling to Trump. He was always willing to be loud and proud about saying the right things…he just never followed through with actions that matched the rhetoric. But his base didn’t care.

Again, this is how MAGAs make themselves so manipulatable. They’ll help tank their own candidate just to hear him say the things that make ’em feel good inside, and they’ll ignore a politician’s inaction as long as he says the things that make ’em feel good inside.

Meanwhile, Democrats continue to win on messages engineered to sound moderate and reasonable, only to do exactly what they said they wouldn’t do once elected: “I’m not for defunding the police” (proceeds to defund the police). “I’m not for decriminalizing property crimes” (decriminalizes property crimes). “Critical race theory is a myth; I have no idea what it is” (knows exactly what it is and mandates it after taking office). “I’m not for open borders” (opens border).
Etc.
If there was one bright spot in the recall debacle, it’s this: Exit polling showed that while college-educated whites were the most adamantly pro-Newsom demographic, non-college-educated whites and Hispanic men were the first and second most adamant groups in favor of the recall. Based on exit polls and election results from Hispanic-majority cities that have low numbers of college-educated residents, it appears that just as with Anglo whites, Hispanic males (not females) without degrees (laborers mainly, one can assume) were most likely to want to boot Newsom.

Following the election, the WaPo was forced to admit that “Latino men have been moving steadily to the right,” describing a “tornado of voting drifts” in Hispanic-heavy counties. Strikingly, this shift is due in part to participation from “low propensity” Hispanic voters (“voters who didn’t usually turn out to vote”). WaPo also grudgingly ceded that these Hispanic voters are less likely to be pro-immigration.

Gosh, who was that guy several weeks ago who wrote about how nobody really knows how that community will vote until they actually start voting?

The notion of an alliance of sorts between California’s working-class Anglo and Hispanic males is a tantalizing one.

If only we had a GOP machine willing to explore it (we don’t), and activists willing to do voting and registration scutwork instead of parading around like flag-draped drag queens at burlesque-hall rallies and brawls (we don’t).

We just have the fatalistic alliance.

United for the common bad.

This article is more of a "hit piece" than an honest appraisal of what happened.
 

Cacheman

Let's Go Brandon!

Double_A

TB Fanatic
At least they now have names....


Any chance the Marxists didn't cook this up since they knew they'd win anyhow?
ABSOLUTELY
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
so, speak of the devil. Got this just now from "Team Newsom"

We beat the Republican recall so decisively for two reasons:
First, Gavin Newsom is an exceptional governor who has led California through some of the most difficult times in modern American history. People know he has done a good job.
Second, we built the largest grassroots campaign the state has ever seen — both in terms of volunteers, but also small-dollar donors.
Today, there’s a critical election in Virginia and the stakes are high.
Democrat Terry McAuliffe is locked in a statistical tie with ultra-right, Trump-loving Glenn Youngkin with just a few weeks to go before the election.
In our recall, there were Virginians who donated and sent texts to keep California blue. Now we’re hoping to return the favor when Terry McAuliffe needs it most:
Can you please split a $3 contribution between Terry McAuliffe’s campaign for governor in Virginia and Gavin Newsom’s re-election in California? We would not ask if it were not so important.

CONTRIBUTE $3

Thanks for chipping in here. It means a lot.

Team Newsom
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
There was an earthquake just south of la the other day. Sodom and Gomorah anybody?:shkr:


California will reap every bit of evil it has sown for the last several decades. The cup of God's wrath is almost overflowing now.
 

SpokaneMan

Veteran Newbie
Oh how I just love the California bashing by the ignorant here. It's just the 3rd most conservative state is all. How come some of you here cannot understand that California has been hijacked by a criminal mafia family? You never call it out like that, you just want all of us good people dead. How Christian of you.
 

cleobc

Veteran Member
The idiot who wrote the OP said Trump didn't follow through on what he promised. What planet does he live on? I wouldn't accept his take on anything, since he lives in another universe.
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Instead of it being a recall, Newsom and company made it Newsom vs. Trump. Lefties hate Trump more than they do Newsom.
Then again, maybe the stupids outnumber the rest. That's the simple answer.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Instead of it being a recall, Newsom and company made it Newsom vs. Trump. Lefties hate Trump more than they do Newsom.
Then again, maybe the stupids outnumber the rest. That's the simple answer.
This and initially Elder tried to adopt a "medium" position. Playing (apparently) to a "centrist" base invoking both Republicans (who as the article says are "controlled opposition") and dissatisfied Democrats. (who as the article says hate Trump worse than Newsom.)

"The elections were fair and its too bad Trump lost."

Elder lost a lot of MAGA Power right there. Retrenchment was too late and considered suspect by the MAGA.

Dobbin
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
and Newsom's people lied about how much Newsom was raising in their emails. Thanks to a conservative group who included a link to the Sec of State Recall Donations webpage and found the info Newsom was collecting. Big buck tens of millions while whining and crying that they were poor. Later tried to find that Donation Website on Sec of State, I tried and tried to find the right page, never found it again. Frankly I believe that Newsom asked to bury the site until after election. When I saw that page Newsom donations were ten to one.
$75 mil vs. $7 mil (which was a published number somewhere) is about that ratio that you remember seeing.
 

Esto Perpetua

Veteran Member
This article is more of a "hit piece" than an honest appraisal of what happened.
I agree.

The author couldn't blame bad orange guy because he's no longer in office. The author blamed supporters of bad orange guy who are also being flung into the refusevax pile to be even further vilified elsewhere.

Tiresome.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
so, speak of the devil. Got this just now from "Team Newsom"

We beat the Republican recall so decisively for two reasons:
First, Gavin Newsom is an exceptional governor who has led California through some of the most difficult times in modern American history. People know he has done a good job.
Second, we built the largest grassroots campaign the state has ever seen — both in terms of volunteers, but also small-dollar donors.
Today, there’s a critical election in Virginia and the stakes are high.
Democrat Terry McAuliffe is locked in a statistical tie with ultra-right, Trump-loving Glenn Youngkin with just a few weeks to go before the election.
In our recall, there were Virginians who donated and sent texts to keep California blue. Now we’re hoping to return the favor when Terry McAuliffe needs it most:
Can you please split a $3 contribution between Terry McAuliffe’s campaign for governor in Virginia and Gavin Newsom’s re-election in California? We would not ask if it were not so important.

CONTRIBUTE $3

Thanks for chipping in here. It means a lot.

Team Newsom
Hummm.....
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
So What Went Wrong in the California Recall?

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Any questions?

It is what communists do, their standard operating procedure. Just taking it right out of the playbook.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I agree.

The author couldn't blame bad orange guy because he's no longer in office. The author blamed supporters of bad orange guy who are also being flung into the refusevax pile to be even further vilified elsewhere.

Tiresome.
Really? How many times have I read on the very forum that it is useless to vote. I kind of think a bunch of people in Cali believed that and oddly enough, the other side won.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
Really? How many times have I read on the very forum that it is useless to vote. I kind of think a bunch of people in Cali believed that and oddly enough, the other side won.
Thus pontificates the ancient oracle.
 
Really? How many times have I read on the very forum that it is useless to vote. I kind of think a bunch of people in Cali believed that and oddly enough, the other side won.
Black and white logic - Republicans decided not to vote, ipso facto the communist Democrats won the recall election.

How about a bit of gray - the communist Democrat machine cheated their way to a fraudulent recall election win.

Could this be possible, given what we know about the 2020 national election fraud?


intothegoodnight
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Posted for fair use.....


By Jesus Reyes
Published September 30, 2021 6:11 PM

Recall Election: Riverside County votes to oust Gov. Newsom in close election

The results for the recall election in Riverside County have been certified.
Governor Gavin Newsom won the election across the state in a landslide, but in Riverside County, he lost in a close election.
The Registrar's office released the final results for the county on Thursday.
Times CastTotal Votes
720,600 / 1,293,611
55.70%
YES362,958
NO355,630
Total Votes718,588
Riverside County was the lone Southern California county to vote Yes on the recall questions, however, there were numerous smaller counties around the state that votes "Yes." A map of the statewide results shows that nearly all the coastal counties voted "No" on the recall.
Map of recall election results by county
As for the candidates list, Republican Larry Elder won a big majority of the votes, much like in every other county. Elder was the top vote getter across the state, beating the nearest vote getter by more than three million votes.
 

Tundra Gypsy

Veteran Member
I read that 70% of the people who went to the polls to vote, were told they had voted ALREADY! What happened with that news? The elections have been rigged for YEARS; get rid of the voting machines; start over. AND, don't do mail in ballots! That is what Newsom wants done....why, of course! He just showed you how he won!!!
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
Everyone seems to forget one thing above and beyond cheating-

Blue areas are blue because of the real demographics.

In other words the lost leftists control the confused give-me-dats of all races WHICH OUTNUMBER THE REST OF US.


Being from the Ill-State I watched it happen here in this state from the 1970's on to today.

A once rock-ribbed conservative republican state was swamped by the influx of the State is My Daddy folks in Chicago.

In the beginning enough downstate voters could join with the still purple suburbs and elect state wide offices. We were losing state house and state senate seats galore, but still could have some say through the Governor.

Over a very short time the leftist disease moved out of Chicago and into the suburbs. It also moved out into every major city in the state (over 100,000).

Chicago exported hundreds of thousands of inner city blacks out into the turning purple areas when they closed down their huge public housing ghettos. The University were overwhelmed by leftists professors, administrators and executive leadership which has corrupted the students sent there. These students then swept out into the public school systems, corporations, businesses and government positions bringing the corrupt communistic dogma with them.

The numbers finally reached a point where the state is lost. They really don't need to cheat much anymore, because their fool base believes the cult dogma and outnumber the remaining non-leftists in the state.

The last Republican Governor tried to use the position to make a difference and stop the madness, but the democrats had such majorities in the house and senate they simply overrode his vetoes. The courts were so filled with demon-crats that they ruled against him every step.

Even the churches have followed in that path. They've switched from Christ and Word based to seminar feel good self help centers.

California has spent decades building the base of third worlders and indoctrinating the children to the point that they outnumber the sane ones by millions. Those millions are centered in the select small areas in mass. The free thinkers are scattered and although control a much larger percentage of physical ground are outnumbered.

With the current open borders and moving their new class of slaves for their new plantations into the existing purple areas in battleground states, the demon-crats are doing the same dam thing to the entire nation.

The battle is ongoing and we haven't seen anything yet.
 
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