Should we trust vaccines provided for this flu???
- Thread starter shakytoad
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Of course!!!!!!!!!
The Club of Rome hasn't managed to kill us off with any of the flu vaccs yet. Matter of fact polio and smallpox and tetanus and rabies and diptheria vaccines work just fine.
Maybe the secret black ops CIA guys working with the big pharmaceutical companies are busy biking with Al Gore and John Kerry in spandex shorts and won't notice what's going on. Maybe cigarette man will repent and give Mulder a pure vaccine for the virus?
Please God, let them make an avian flu vaccine in time, have mercy on this sinful world and help that virus grow in the chicken eggs, please please please oh great God of compassion.
I'll be first in line. Hub and kids will be next.
Enjoy getting the bird flu
The Club of Rome hasn't managed to kill us off with any of the flu vaccs yet. Matter of fact polio and smallpox and tetanus and rabies and diptheria vaccines work just fine.
Maybe the secret black ops CIA guys working with the big pharmaceutical companies are busy biking with Al Gore and John Kerry in spandex shorts and won't notice what's going on. Maybe cigarette man will repent and give Mulder a pure vaccine for the virus?
Please God, let them make an avian flu vaccine in time, have mercy on this sinful world and help that virus grow in the chicken eggs, please please please oh great God of compassion.
I'll be first in line. Hub and kids will be next.
Enjoy getting the bird flu
Pineapple
Membership Revoked
If the vaccine was proven to prevent or lessen the Avian Flu , yeah, I would take it.
I dont want my kids to be orphans, and I dont want to be passing the flu to them and kill them. I like my life fine, and seeing the mortality rate of this flu, I dont mind taking my chances with the vac.
I dont want my kids to be orphans, and I dont want to be passing the flu to them and kill them. I like my life fine, and seeing the mortality rate of this flu, I dont mind taking my chances with the vac.
I know this is a little off-topic but I need some advice. My daughter entered 7th grade this year and I have put off her vaccination, hepatitis and her tetnus shot. They have given me until Oct. 18 to get her shots. What do you think about these vaccinations? I haven't heard of any students with adverse effects but I still wonder??
Gizmo.....some old secret eugenics group.
K......I'd get tetnus for sure.
The Hep B is for exposure to blood, drug needles, that sort of thing. By doing all the kids everywhere I suppose they prevent some deaths. My kids were in Christian school, suburbs, and I thought it was rediculous at that age, but it was state law and they can't discriminate in favor of Christians in the suburbs versus inner city ghettos.
You can probably fight it and win, but it's a real pain with the state laws.
On the plus side if your kid ever enters a medical field they'd have to get it anyway, and at least its over with.....
K......I'd get tetnus for sure.
The Hep B is for exposure to blood, drug needles, that sort of thing. By doing all the kids everywhere I suppose they prevent some deaths. My kids were in Christian school, suburbs, and I thought it was rediculous at that age, but it was state law and they can't discriminate in favor of Christians in the suburbs versus inner city ghettos.
You can probably fight it and win, but it's a real pain with the state laws.
On the plus side if your kid ever enters a medical field they'd have to get it anyway, and at least its over with.....
The Flying Dutchman
Deceased
shakytoad said:Whaddaya think? And let me clarify that... what I mean is will the vaccine actually be BAD for us, not just ineffective..?
FWIW:
There are no vaccines for H5N1 (as it now exhists). And there will not be any for it when it mutates into the ability to go "Human to Human".
It takes 6-9 months to develope a viable vaccine...
another 9 months or so to verify said expermental vaccines.
And it will take YEARS to make enough of the vaccine to give to millions of people..
Somewhere in those time frames - one might begin to understand that they will have to bear down on prevention of the virus from getting to them... (Be it self quarantine etc)....
Shock Wave Rider
Inactive
ahhhhh........
NO
Well for those of you with short memories... here's a flash to the past!!!
Tuesday, November 18, 2003
FLU VACCINE NOT MATCHING FLU STRAIN
"ATLANTA (AP) - Flu outbreaks are already going strong in parts of the country, months before the season typically peaks, and this year's vaccine does not exactly match the strain doctors are seeing so far, the government warned Monday. ''This is very serious,'' said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. She warned that this flu season could be worse than usual.
But doctors are worried this year's flu season could be brutal. Not only were the outbreaks early in Texas and Colorado, they involved a strain of influenza not targeted by the vaccine. The strain of flu showing up this year is part of a deadly group called H3N2, a type of flu that leads to more deaths and hospitalizations than other flu strains
But because this year's flu vaccine targets a slightly different type of H3N2 flu than patients are getting, doctors have no idea how well the vaccine will work."
As far as kids vaccines... well
Bush Asks Court To Seal MMR Vaccine Records
Attorneys for the Bush Administration asked a federal court on Monday to order that documents on hundreds of cases of autism allegedly caused by childhood vaccines be kept from the public. Department of Justice lawyers asked a special master in the US Court of Federal Claims to seal the documents, arguing that allowing their automatic disclosure would take away the right of federal agencies to decide when and how the material should be released.
http://www.rense.com/general32/mmr.htm
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Autism linked to vaccines
http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/autism_mercury.htm
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National Physicians & Surgeons Assn Advises Stopping Mandatory Vaccinations
Vaccine deaths, damages has doctors rethinking public health policy
http://www.rense.com/health3/vaccine-h.htm
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Why You May Not Want to Vaccinate - Making An Informed Choice
This site is worth reading
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
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On Feb 9, 2004, the National Autism Association issued a press release that reported on one of the larger studies under review based on the Center for Disease Control's Vaccine Safety Datalink. Under independent investigation, the Association reported, of the CDC's data children were found to be 27-times more likely to develop autism after exposure to three thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs), than those who receive thimerosal-free versions.
http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=47&contentid=2254
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VACCINATION LIBERATION - We site with legal information on how NOT to vaccinate.
All states allow a medical exemption and some states allow philosophical and/or religious exemptions.
http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm
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How about WHAT'S IN THE VACCINES! This is the grand daddy of them all!
Aborted Fetal Tissue!!!
Check out the Biavax rubella vaccine and the MMR vaccine given to the kids!
"rubella live virus neomycin sorbitol hydrolized gelatin, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue"
MMR - "hydrolized gelatin, chick embryonic fluid, and human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue"
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html
NO
Well for those of you with short memories... here's a flash to the past!!!
Tuesday, November 18, 2003
FLU VACCINE NOT MATCHING FLU STRAIN
"ATLANTA (AP) - Flu outbreaks are already going strong in parts of the country, months before the season typically peaks, and this year's vaccine does not exactly match the strain doctors are seeing so far, the government warned Monday. ''This is very serious,'' said Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. She warned that this flu season could be worse than usual.
But doctors are worried this year's flu season could be brutal. Not only were the outbreaks early in Texas and Colorado, they involved a strain of influenza not targeted by the vaccine. The strain of flu showing up this year is part of a deadly group called H3N2, a type of flu that leads to more deaths and hospitalizations than other flu strains
But because this year's flu vaccine targets a slightly different type of H3N2 flu than patients are getting, doctors have no idea how well the vaccine will work."
As far as kids vaccines... well
Bush Asks Court To Seal MMR Vaccine Records
Attorneys for the Bush Administration asked a federal court on Monday to order that documents on hundreds of cases of autism allegedly caused by childhood vaccines be kept from the public. Department of Justice lawyers asked a special master in the US Court of Federal Claims to seal the documents, arguing that allowing their automatic disclosure would take away the right of federal agencies to decide when and how the material should be released.
http://www.rense.com/general32/mmr.htm
<><><>><>
Autism linked to vaccines
http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/autism_mercury.htm
<><><><><
National Physicians & Surgeons Assn Advises Stopping Mandatory Vaccinations
Vaccine deaths, damages has doctors rethinking public health policy
http://www.rense.com/health3/vaccine-h.htm
<><><><><>
Why You May Not Want to Vaccinate - Making An Informed Choice
This site is worth reading
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm
><><><><><>
On Feb 9, 2004, the National Autism Association issued a press release that reported on one of the larger studies under review based on the Center for Disease Control's Vaccine Safety Datalink. Under independent investigation, the Association reported, of the CDC's data children were found to be 27-times more likely to develop autism after exposure to three thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs), than those who receive thimerosal-free versions.
http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=47&contentid=2254
<><><><><><>
VACCINATION LIBERATION - We site with legal information on how NOT to vaccinate.
All states allow a medical exemption and some states allow philosophical and/or religious exemptions.
http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm
<><><><><>
How about WHAT'S IN THE VACCINES! This is the grand daddy of them all!
Aborted Fetal Tissue!!!
Check out the Biavax rubella vaccine and the MMR vaccine given to the kids!
"rubella live virus neomycin sorbitol hydrolized gelatin, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue"
MMR - "hydrolized gelatin, chick embryonic fluid, and human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue"
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html
ioujc
MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
Let me clarify my answer too.....IF there was a vaccine, or IF there would be, I'd take it, yes, but I would NOT think I was "home free".
They DON'T have a vaccine (as Shakey pointed out) and they WON'T have one in time to head this thing off.
My reason for responding "NO", was because they don't and won't have a vaccine.
I think I misinterpreted the question...I thought you were saying "IF they did....would you?" And yes, IF they did, I would....but they don't and won't.
I think alot of people think there will be a "miracle vaccine" at the last minute.....and are going to wait to prep......WRONG ANWER!! Even if they did have a vaccine, it would be totally experimental.....and you better have preps and back up preps......
There....Is that confusing enough??
I'm NOT making light of this issue....it is very serious, especially the fact that many (my family included) think they will "find something that will work" at the last minute........
Don't think it's gonna happen folks.....sorry.
They DON'T have a vaccine (as Shakey pointed out) and they WON'T have one in time to head this thing off.
My reason for responding "NO", was because they don't and won't have a vaccine.
I think I misinterpreted the question...I thought you were saying "IF they did....would you?" And yes, IF they did, I would....but they don't and won't.
I think alot of people think there will be a "miracle vaccine" at the last minute.....and are going to wait to prep......WRONG ANWER!! Even if they did have a vaccine, it would be totally experimental.....and you better have preps and back up preps......
There....Is that confusing enough??
I'm NOT making light of this issue....it is very serious, especially the fact that many (my family included) think they will "find something that will work" at the last minute........
Don't think it's gonna happen folks.....sorry.
MaxTheKnife
Membership Revoked
In a word, NO.
Well, a vaccine might work if they could keep up with the virus... I don't know, but they're sinking $150 million into a new facility at the Sanofi plant down the road... and it won't be finished anytime soon. Too little too late. I get a hopeless sinking feeling every time I drive past the place.
MaxTheKnife said:
Yah - last years flu vaccine had tons of mercury in it - just what the kiddies need to help with their brain development. Of course the doc splained this after giving the kids the shots - good timing! Then I discovered chelation therapy and immediately treated the young ones. What a pain.
The Flying Dutchman
Deceased
Gizmo said:
Gizmo:
Unfortunately we are not facing a *what if* situation with H5N1 (avian flu).
H5N1 is continuing it's spread into Europe - and likely very soon now, into CONUS; and there are more reports of humans being taken ill in eastern europe.
I wish I could live in a *what if* world. But alas, I cannot.
Swampthing
Membership Revoked
Throughout the Bible several of the Greek words translated "witchcraft" and "sorcery" have the root pharm, from which our words "pharmacy" and "pharmaceuticals" are derived. This root (pharm) refers to "drugs, potions, and poisons. "Sorcerers and witchcraft are still around today they just go by names of merk, rouche, and monsanto.
I really have no need for bull serum, aborted baby tissue, mercury and other potions to be injected into my body-even to save my life. The fallen angels are all around us and it's their job to pollute innosence(sp). Spiritual conflict is unseen but ongoing. Evil is often the faces and voices trusted to lead, demons roam the earth tormenting and afflicting mankind.
Put your faith in their vaccine at your own peril.
I really have no need for bull serum, aborted baby tissue, mercury and other potions to be injected into my body-even to save my life. The fallen angels are all around us and it's their job to pollute innosence(sp). Spiritual conflict is unseen but ongoing. Evil is often the faces and voices trusted to lead, demons roam the earth tormenting and afflicting mankind.
Put your faith in their vaccine at your own peril.
Hiding Bear
Inactive
The common assumption, even here, is that everyone can take a flu vaccine. My experinence has been the opposite, due to allergies and astma. Almost every doctor has advised that I do not take the flu vaccine. I have taken them twice by mistake a long while back, falsely thinking it was then ok, but then I caught the flu both times afterward.
Frankly I wonder if a lot more people are allergic and/or develop reactions to flu vaccines than is widely known.
But if there was a corrcet vaccine for the upcoming flu, and I could take it, I would take it only after others have tested it out a few weeks a head of me.
Frankly I wonder if a lot more people are allergic and/or develop reactions to flu vaccines than is widely known.
But if there was a corrcet vaccine for the upcoming flu, and I could take it, I would take it only after others have tested it out a few weeks a head of me.
freebyrd
Membership Revoked
thats bull as someone pointed out there should be a religeous exemption in your state, they love to try and bully people by making you think theres some law requiring you to submit to them,
are they still using human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue in these vaccines?
what do you think of that lynnie, you may be injecting a concoction into yourself and your family that is derived at least in part from the abortion of innocents,
think about that when your lining your children up
freebyrd
Warthog
Black Out
Hell give me one VC in each bun. 
Save me government. Save me government. I will submit. I will submit. Watch for troop movements prior to any report of a outbreak. Also watch for flu medicine distribution to troops, national guard, police, fire ect. prior to any outbreak. People in authority must have this stuff prior to the planned outbreak. 
Save me government. Save me government. I will submit. I will submit. Watch for troop movements prior to any report of a outbreak. Also watch for flu medicine distribution to troops, national guard, police, fire ect. prior to any outbreak. People in authority must have this stuff prior to the planned outbreak. momof23goats
Deceased
so true, the law always get their sots , long before the sheeple.
but in a word, NO, I would not eer take a vaccine, of any kind, t odangerious. but I do plan to stay hoe and self quarntine, for as long as it takes.
but in a word, NO, I would not eer take a vaccine, of any kind, t odangerious. but I do plan to stay hoe and self quarntine, for as long as it takes.
marsh
On TB every waking moment
Oh for goodness sake. You sound like Milwaukee in 1894.
http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/pages/events/peoplesrole/leavitt/leavitt_trans.html
Public resistance or cooperation?
Historical experiences with smallpox
Judith W. Leavitt, PhD
This was an outbreak that came to the City of Milwaukee hitting every ward in the city by June of 1894, at the same time as a brand new health commissioner, Walter Kempster, had taken office. Now Kempster was someone who did not believe in political patronage for the health department, and refused to give jobs to the people in his own political party, so he started off immediately on the wrong political foot. Everybody was mad at him, and then on top of that, Smallpox comes. Well, he treated it in the same way as previous health officers had. He started a vaccination campaign. He used the isolation hospital, and he used home quarantines.
Now it happened that he used home quarantines for the most part in the middle or upper class parts of the city because he felt that people could be isolated in home there more effectively; whereas, in the poor immigrant sections of the city, he used forcible removal to the isolation hospital. And you can imagine that discrimination there was not helping, so the Smallpox, as I said, spread city-wide. It began concentrating in the immigrant wards, and health department activity concentrated there also. This is just to show you what home placarding looked like in a case of Mumps, but take a look at the uniforms. The uniforms of the health officers became an issue also. So there was enormous resistance, and it focused mostly in the immigrant wards where the Smallpox itself focused.
Part of the resistance to health department activities in 1894 were specific to Kempster; that is, he was a very unpopular man right from the start. We're in the middle of an economic depression in 1894, and he was not giving people jobs who thought they deserved them politically.
Another big part of the resistance came from the anti-vaccinationists. This was an organized movement at the end of the 19th Century to prevent people from getting vaccinated. Now these are people who thought vaccination was a dangerous procedure. It was centered in immigrant wards, but it was certainly not exclusive to immigrant wards. And the physicians in the city were split probably one-third/two-thirds. One-third against vaccination, two-thirds for it. There was significant, as that tells you, significant medical disagreement, so anyone who turned to a medical authority would have gotten various and mixed messages.
There was great immigrant fear of government authority, in general. Government authority that came knocking on your door in a uniform in specific, especially when it was trying to take your child to the isolation hospital against your will, and so that was a big focus for the problem.
There was a perception, I think there was also a fact of injustice in the way that government policy was handled; that is, the rich were allowed to stay home and be quarantined, the poor were taken to the hospital. There was this phrase, "The scum of Milwaukee" in the newspapers quite a bit, and the people who lived on the southside of Milwaukee felt that that's the way the rest of the city viewed them, as the "scum of Milwaukee" and, therefore, it didn't matter what you did to them, so there was definite unequal application of the policy. And the immigrants responded by not reporting cases of Smallpox, by hiding them when people came to the door. And ultimately, by rioting against forcible removal, and against vaccination.
The riots in Milwaukee were characterized this way, women played a large role in them. Mobs of Pomeranian and Polish women armed with baseball bats, potato mashers, clubs, bet slats, salt and pepper and butcher knives lay in wait all day for the isolation hospital van. The van was, of course, drawn by horses in 1894, and they also had some scolding water to throw on the horses. The riots lasted about a month, and were depicted nationally, as you saw in this case. And the Health Department responded in a very dismissive, inflexible and incentive way, and these are quotations from the Health Commissioner, from Walter Kempster. "But for politics and bad beer, the matter would never have been heard of." He dismissed the whole thing.
"I am here to enforce the laws, and I shall enforce them, if I have to break heads to do it." And, of course, it's the break heads that people heard. "The question of the inhumanity of the laws I have nothing to do with."
Well, I don't have time to tell you the whole story, but Kempster goes on to get impeached, thrown out of office, and ultimately after a year reinstated, but in the process of that impeachment, the Health Department lost a lot of the authority it had gained over the whole of the 19th Century, including the authority to remove anybody to an isolation hospital. And Milwaukee took at least the next 25, 30 years to recover some of those powers.
http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/pages/events/peoplesrole/leavitt/leavitt_trans.html
Public resistance or cooperation?
Historical experiences with smallpox
Judith W. Leavitt, PhD
This was an outbreak that came to the City of Milwaukee hitting every ward in the city by June of 1894, at the same time as a brand new health commissioner, Walter Kempster, had taken office. Now Kempster was someone who did not believe in political patronage for the health department, and refused to give jobs to the people in his own political party, so he started off immediately on the wrong political foot. Everybody was mad at him, and then on top of that, Smallpox comes. Well, he treated it in the same way as previous health officers had. He started a vaccination campaign. He used the isolation hospital, and he used home quarantines.
Now it happened that he used home quarantines for the most part in the middle or upper class parts of the city because he felt that people could be isolated in home there more effectively; whereas, in the poor immigrant sections of the city, he used forcible removal to the isolation hospital. And you can imagine that discrimination there was not helping, so the Smallpox, as I said, spread city-wide. It began concentrating in the immigrant wards, and health department activity concentrated there also. This is just to show you what home placarding looked like in a case of Mumps, but take a look at the uniforms. The uniforms of the health officers became an issue also. So there was enormous resistance, and it focused mostly in the immigrant wards where the Smallpox itself focused.
Part of the resistance to health department activities in 1894 were specific to Kempster; that is, he was a very unpopular man right from the start. We're in the middle of an economic depression in 1894, and he was not giving people jobs who thought they deserved them politically.
Another big part of the resistance came from the anti-vaccinationists. This was an organized movement at the end of the 19th Century to prevent people from getting vaccinated. Now these are people who thought vaccination was a dangerous procedure. It was centered in immigrant wards, but it was certainly not exclusive to immigrant wards. And the physicians in the city were split probably one-third/two-thirds. One-third against vaccination, two-thirds for it. There was significant, as that tells you, significant medical disagreement, so anyone who turned to a medical authority would have gotten various and mixed messages.
There was great immigrant fear of government authority, in general. Government authority that came knocking on your door in a uniform in specific, especially when it was trying to take your child to the isolation hospital against your will, and so that was a big focus for the problem.
There was a perception, I think there was also a fact of injustice in the way that government policy was handled; that is, the rich were allowed to stay home and be quarantined, the poor were taken to the hospital. There was this phrase, "The scum of Milwaukee" in the newspapers quite a bit, and the people who lived on the southside of Milwaukee felt that that's the way the rest of the city viewed them, as the "scum of Milwaukee" and, therefore, it didn't matter what you did to them, so there was definite unequal application of the policy. And the immigrants responded by not reporting cases of Smallpox, by hiding them when people came to the door. And ultimately, by rioting against forcible removal, and against vaccination.
The riots in Milwaukee were characterized this way, women played a large role in them. Mobs of Pomeranian and Polish women armed with baseball bats, potato mashers, clubs, bet slats, salt and pepper and butcher knives lay in wait all day for the isolation hospital van. The van was, of course, drawn by horses in 1894, and they also had some scolding water to throw on the horses. The riots lasted about a month, and were depicted nationally, as you saw in this case. And the Health Department responded in a very dismissive, inflexible and incentive way, and these are quotations from the Health Commissioner, from Walter Kempster. "But for politics and bad beer, the matter would never have been heard of." He dismissed the whole thing.
"I am here to enforce the laws, and I shall enforce them, if I have to break heads to do it." And, of course, it's the break heads that people heard. "The question of the inhumanity of the laws I have nothing to do with."
Well, I don't have time to tell you the whole story, but Kempster goes on to get impeached, thrown out of office, and ultimately after a year reinstated, but in the process of that impeachment, the Health Department lost a lot of the authority it had gained over the whole of the 19th Century, including the authority to remove anybody to an isolation hospital. And Milwaukee took at least the next 25, 30 years to recover some of those powers.
dissimulo
Membership Revoked
Wow. I must not be paranoid enough.
Vaccines are one of the things I would worry about losing after TEOTWAWKI. I like living in the modern age. I like science and I like doctors. I like not getting horrible diseases like polio and measles. I liked getting vaccinations before I lived in Asia so I would not get hepatitis or Japanese encephalitis.
Now, I probably wouldn't be too keen on getting an experimental vaccine, but that also depends on what nasty bug has me in its crosshairs.
Vaccines are one of the things I would worry about losing after TEOTWAWKI. I like living in the modern age. I like science and I like doctors. I like not getting horrible diseases like polio and measles. I liked getting vaccinations before I lived in Asia so I would not get hepatitis or Japanese encephalitis.
Now, I probably wouldn't be too keen on getting an experimental vaccine, but that also depends on what nasty bug has me in its crosshairs.
Hoosier Daddy
Membership Revoked
No vaccine has ever been proven effective.
That goes for every one of them.
The reason schools push for vaccinating kids is because they get State money for achieving a certain percentage of vaccs.
The State in turn, receives federal money for achieving a certain percentage of kids vacc's.
A few years ago, I created a website known as www.medalerts.org which was the Web's premier site for database research into vaccine damage.
I have since donated it to the NVIC www.nvic.org but the message has not changed.
Stay away from vacc's
They are junk science.
That goes for every one of them.
The reason schools push for vaccinating kids is because they get State money for achieving a certain percentage of vaccs.
The State in turn, receives federal money for achieving a certain percentage of kids vacc's.
A few years ago, I created a website known as www.medalerts.org which was the Web's premier site for database research into vaccine damage.
I have since donated it to the NVIC www.nvic.org but the message has not changed.
Stay away from vacc's
They are junk science.
h5n1 is the only vaccine that comes to mind that I would seriously consider taking, although I don't want to be first in line for it. However, I doubt it will be available, and I am not high risk. Unlike the regular annual flu vaccine (which I don't take), this one presumably would be targeted against one specific and very virulent strain. If it proves effective (i.e., there aren't several very different h5n1 strains out there by the time the vaccine is ready) and there are no particular side effects, yes I would probably line up for that one.
Just keep in mind that the drug companies do not give a hoot whether you live or die, its all about money to them. As long as they get their billions, you and your children can die. They know their vaccines are poison. Why have they not taken poison mercury out of vaccines? Because they DO NOT CARE.
morning-glory
Inactive
nope