INSANITY "Sexual harassment" is now legally IMPOSSIBLE to defend against in Californicatedland

MinnesotaSmith

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SLEW OF NEW CALIFORNIA #METOO SEXUAL HARASSMENT LAWS GO INTO EFFECT IN 2019; ELIMINATES CONFIDENTIALITY AND ABILITY TO DEFEND LAWSUITS; CREATES BLACKLISTS, EVEN FALSE ALLEGATIONS ARE NOT DEFAMATORY

January 4, 2019 MJustice

"Legislating (passing laws) in response to political and social trends has never been a good idea. In 2018, California passed a number of new #metoo laws going into effect in 2019 that will change how sexual harassment cases are handled, giving accusers the upper hand in employment litigation and virtually guaranteeing that even false accusations can lead to multi-million dollar settlements for the accusers and lifetime employment bans for those accused.

AB 2770—MAKES IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST A FALSE ALLEGATION OF HARASSMENT BY ELIMINATING DEFAMATION DEFENSES
California’s Assembly Bill 2770 now states that complaints and communications regarding sexual harassment are not defamatory.

• Assembly Bill 2770 makes privileged—and not defamatory—the following communications:

– Complaints of sexual harassment by an employee, without malice, to an employer based on credible evidence; (Is “credible evidence” merely the word of the accuser? Probably).

– Communications between employers and interested persons, without malice, regarding a complaint of sexual harassment; and

• When responding to reference checks, this bill authorizes employers to answer whether or not the employer would rehire an employee, and whether the decision to not rehire is based on the employer’s determination that the employee engaged in sexual harassment. (In other words, an employer and reference checks can now rat you out if an allegation of harassment was made against you).

The effect of the new law allows accusers to make accusations without fear of a counter-suit for defamation or libel. The law does not define what “credible evidence” is, but we now know in the #metoo era and even an uncorroborated allegation is deemed credible by most law makers as we saw from the Kavanaugh congressional hearings.

SB 1300—PREVENTS EMPLOYERS FROM GETTING RELEASES AND NON-DISPARAGEMENT AGREEMENTS RELATING TO ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT
This bill prohibits employers from requiring employees to:

• Release harassment or discrimination claims under California’s Fair Employment and Housing Act in exchange for a raise or bonus or as a condition of hire or continuing employment; and

• Sign non-disparagement agreements or other documents preventing employees from disclosing information about unlawful acts in the workplace, including sexual harassment.

In other words, an employer and the accused has no right to confidentiality regarding sexual harassment allegations and cannot contract to keep allegations confidential and prevent an employee from smearing the employer and the accused even after they take the benefits of employment and leave the employer.

SB 1300—EVEN A SINGLE “STRAY REMARK” IS SEXUAL HARASSMENT; IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE NOW TO GET A HARASSMENT CLAIM DISMISSED
Traditionally, under the law, sexual harassment had constitute some persistent pattern or practice of harassment; a single incident or a “stray remark” was not sufficient to constitute sexual harassment under the law. Employers were able to defend against a lawsuit on summary judgment, by getting claims dismissed that were based on single remark. This kept personal injury and contingency lawyers at bay because they had to base their case on something real and substantial. That is no longer the case and sexual harassment can be based on a single comment, even if it is made in the locker room. Under the new law:

• A single incident of harassing conduct is sufficient to defeat summary judgment;

• The “stray remarks” doctrine is rejected, and a discriminatory remark, even if not made directly in the context of an employment decision or uttered by a non-decisionmaker, may be relevant evidence in a harassment claim;

• The standard for assessing sexual harassment does not vary by workplace; and

• “Harassment cases are rarely appropriate for disposition on summary judgment.”

SB 820—PROHIBITS CONFIDENTIAL SETTLEMENTS OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT CLAIMS; YOU CAN PAY MILLIONS TO SETTLE A HARASSMENT CLAIM AND THE ACCUSER IS THEN FREE TO BROADCAST THOSE CLAIMS
Employers and the Accused are no longer entitled to any confidentiality, even if they pay millions to settle their claims. California enacted Senate Bill 820 which restricts this practice. Now:

• Any provision in a settlement agreement that prevents the disclosure of factual information related to a claim filed in a civil action or a complaint filed in an administrative action regarding the following is prohibited:

– An act of sexual assault;

– An act of sexual harassment; and

– An act of workplace harassment or discrimination based on sex, or failure to prevent an act of workplace harassment or discrimination based on sex, or an act of retaliation against a person for reporting harassment or discrimination based on sex.

SB 1300—MAKES IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOVER ATTORNEYS FEES IN DEFENDING AGAINST FALSE SEXUAL HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS
Courts previously had discretion to award attorney’s fees and costs to an employer who wins a sexual harassment case as false allegation cases can cost millions of dollars to defend. Senate Bill 1300 now makes it virtually impossible to recover attorneys fees. Now, in order to award attorney’s fees and costs to a prevailing employer, the court must find that the action was frivolous, unreasonable or groundless when brought, or that the plaintiff continued to litigate the case after it clearly became so. This is a nearly impossible standard to meet unless you filmed every interaction with the complaining victim and can prove you never interacted with that person.

SB 1343—MAKES SEXUAL HARASSMENT TRAINING MANDATORY FOR MORE EMPLOYERS WITH 5 OR MORE EMPLOYEES; MORE JOBS FOR HARASSMENT TRAINERS AND MOUNTING COSTS FOR SMALL BUSINESSES
Previously, large employers in California (50 or more employees) were required to provide two hours of sexual harassment training to all supervisors within six months of becoming a supervisor and every two years thereafter. The training can only be provided by certain trainers, and there are very specific requirements for what must be included in the training. In 2019, these requirements will expand to smaller employers and to more employees.

• Employers with five or more employees must provide:

– The two hours of sexual harassment training to all supervisory employees by the end of 2019;

– One hour of sexual harassment training to all nonsupervisory employees by the end of 2019;

• The training for supervisors and non-supervisors must be provided every two years thereafter, and within six months of an employee becoming a supervisor and six months after hire for a non-supervisor.

SB 826—REQUIRES FEMALE BOARD MEMBERS FOR PUBLIC COMPANIES
I previously wrote about why this new law was unconstitutional gender discrimination against men. California enacted Senate Bill 826 to require that by the end of 2019, all publicly held corporations whose principle executive offices are in California have at least one woman on their board of directors. That number will increase on a going-forward basis depending on the size of the board.

• By the end of 2021, for a board with

– Six or more directors, there must be at least three women;

– Five or more directors, there must be at least two women; and

– Four or fewer directors, there must be at least one woman.

This bill allows for harsh punishment in the event of a violation, permitting the Secretary of State to impose a fine of $100,000 for the first violation, and $300,000 for a subsequent violation.

CALIFORNIA’S NEW SEXUAL HARASSMENT LAWS ARE A BOON FOR PERSONAL INJURY LAWYERS
This represents only what is new in 2019. There are pre-existing requirements for California and other states for employers that already make it very easy for personal injury lawyers to sue employers and alleged harassers. Now, with virtually all the defenses and protections for employers and the accused wiped away, you can be sure there will be an exponential increase in sexual harassment lawsuits that will be brought just for settlement value alone, even if the lawsuits are based on false allegations."
 
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Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Um. If you're innocent and proven such, do you get to counter sue on the basis of defamation?

I can see the 2270 bill - in a way. Just because you might be defamed is not reason for dismissal of sexual harassment, nor a defense.

But as long as one can "counter sue" - then you too can have your day in court.

The two offenses - Sexual Harassment and Defamation/Libel are two SEPARATE offenses - with two separate defenses. And two separate trials. The fact that victim/perpetrator may be the two same people but reversed is irrelevant.

Dobbin
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Exactly...

No, guilty until proven guilty.

Straight (or, normal) white men were born guilty, as the SJWs and diversities see it. Anything we say about anything, but especially arguing against that blood guilt (as they see it) only confirms it. This is where the indignation over so-called "mansplaining" comes from; you are literally not allowed any defense against any accusation. The feminists all think this way, just as the Communist Party and KGB in Stalinist USSR did about just about everyone.
 

flying screwdriver

Veteran Member
The banning of non-disclosure agreements and barring actions with settlement agreements is a good thing. Employees fired in retaliation and forced to sign away their rights to get a last check is extortion and NEEDS to be stopped.

Barring defamation actions against false accusers is a STEP way too far! That levels the field...then tips it so far left it is insane.

The TRUTH is an affirmative defense against libel and defamation. Let that prevail, but prosecute the liars.
 

flying screwdriver

Veteran Member
Um. If you're innocent and proven such, do you get to counter sue on the basis of defamation?

I can see the 2270 bill - in a way. Just because you might be defamed is not reason for dismissal of sexual harassment, nor a defense.

But as long as one can "counter sue" - then you too can have your day in court.

The two offenses - Sexual Harassment and Defamation/Libel are two SEPARATE offenses - with two separate defenses. And two separate trials. The fact that victim/perpetrator may be the two same people but reversed is irrelevant.

Dobbin

The way I read it, the employer can still sue for defamation, but has to have a serious amount of proof it was a malicious and fabricated act to receive monetary damages.

Frankly, an employer is rarely going to recover the amount of damage anyway, so why bother making it a law? Employees need rights, but employers also have rights. This emboldens false accusers, goes too far.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Except...

Barring defamation actions against false accusers is a STEP way too far! That levels the field...then tips it so far left it is insane.

The TRUTH is an affirmative defense against libel and defamation. Let that prevail, but prosecute the liars.

How will the broke and relatively noninfluential fight against public defamation, without legal tools to do so? The old saying is to never pick a fight with anyone who buys ink by the barrel, as you are guaranteed to effectively lose, no matter the facts.

I still believe that false accusation of a crime should be considered a criminal matter, conviction of same carrying imprisonment equal on average to being convicted of the original accused crime. This could go quite a ways towards knocking out both the disenfranchised (i.e., a lone man against the feminist MIC) and the dodge for the wealthy (in money or influence) libtard screeching fingerpointers to just blow off/pay off being found to be full of horse hockey. They don't want to make license plates all day, eat baloney with green mold on stale generic white bread, and live in a 10' x 15' AC-less room for years, anymore than than most people.
 

flying screwdriver

Veteran Member
I also disagree with the way this is applied to smaller employers. U.S law includes the small subsidiary of huge foreign corporations in the same group as small business owners. Small owners can't afford this CRAP.

But the subsidiary? Contract law firms, corporate infusions, H1B replacements. Different animal ENTIRELY.

The first state to bust that dichotomy gets my kudos. Don't further burden small business.

But, stop the 'Subsidiary Masquerade' of huge corps making money in the U.S. hiding behind the law and defending their misdeeds with resources Mom and Pop hardware store does not have. Managers in these places act like dictators, their only concern is protecting their own retirement from their own incompetance, hiding behind the Masquerade.

I've been busy educating somewhere else. Got the cease-desist to prove it. The attorneys got the proof from me to stop sending them (note - Don't try this unless you have HARD proof you are telling the truth, and the employer is lying. Emails, documents, recordings in the states it is legal. Got that, then SPEAK FREELY and call them out!!! Don't have it? Shut up and move on.).

I got some ink in my pen too, and it is a poison pen!
 
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Ravekid

Veteran Member
This is just another example of this country swirling down the toilet. Once a nation institutes the Cardassian system of justice, any argument that the nation's people are "free" is laughable. Some clips from Star Trek: DS9 shows how the US criminal justice system will work once the SJW takeover is complete (it is completed in California from what I can tell).

51 seconds:

About 90 seconds:
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Complaints of sexual harassment by an employee, without malice, to an employer based on credible evidence

You know, I'm not a lawyer, but it strikes me that you pretty much HAVE to have malice to make a false accusation.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
I also disagree with the way this is applied to smaller employers. U.S law includes the small subsidiary of huge foreign corporations in the same group as small business owners. Small owners can't afford this CRAP.

At some point, people who are doing all the heavy lifting in CA when it comes to starting, running, and owning a business are going to have to move. There is no room for progressive-lite or moderate liberalism in these far-left states. The Marxist/progressive belief system of today requires absolute adherence to every single far left platform out there. Environmental, business, etc.. It doesn't matter if the CEO is bringing in say $500K-$750K. The Marxists they elected demand they follow the new belief system and if that means they only bring in $200K/year from now on, so be it. So these people can either pay the price to live in the Marxist Republic of California, or they can move away and have to deal with living in an area where they might have to deal with some conservative principals they don't agree with.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
This can be used the other way around when you know you have one of these toxic problem women in the work place.
Can you say unintended consequences that would make the woman in question unemployable, only another woman would even consider possibly hiring her.
 

flying screwdriver

Veteran Member
Complaints of sexual harassment by an employee, without malice, to an employer based on credible evidence

You know, I'm not a lawyer, but it strikes me that you pretty much HAVE to have malice to make a false accusation.

Yep. But, if you can't prove it true, it is false. Way the law works. Defamation already requires you to prove it was done with full knowledge of the falsehood. Any substantive evidence, no defamation. Even opinions require some root in evidence to be protected from libel / slander / disparagement. No proof, it is disparaging to say it, treated as false.

Proof you are lying? That's proof of malice. Now, you open yourself to charges of defamation, libel, slander.

An employee with an accusation that has no proof? Gonna lose anyway. Can't fix everything with another law.

If the employer has that proof, they should be free to act and collect the damages (if they can). I'm not sure what that law changed in that regard.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
SB1300 adds section 12923 this is paragraph b of 12923

"(b) A single incident of harassing conduct is sufficient to create a triable issue regarding the existence of a hostile work environment if the harassing conduct has unreasonably interfered with the plaintiff’s work performance or created an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment. In that regard, the Legislature hereby declares its rejection of the United States Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit’s opinion in Brooks v. City of San Mateo (2000) 229 F.3d 917 and states that the opinion shall not be used in determining what kind of conduct is sufficiently severe or pervasive to constitute a violation of the California Fair Employment and Housing Act."
 
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