CORONA SENATE TESTIMONY: We Have a Cheap Drug that Works Miracles on COVID-19!
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Sicario
The Executor
As I recall that was Panacur C (fenbendazole) Canine Dewormer.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
And they are different drugs. And everyone needs to do their own due diligence. I would have no problem dosing myself with Ivermectin but don’t ever take anything because you read about it on the forum. In the end we are responsible for our own health and have to do our own research to see if it’s right for you. Nobody is going to care more about your health than you do.
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
Get your worming done while you do the stock. Multitasking! Bet you have a clean colon?
I'm really just playing... need more coffee.
Sicario
The Executor
Proven Drug That Is Now Saving Thousands Of Lives Should Be Approved To Prevent/Cure Covid-19 Instead of Unproven Vaccines
by Bill Sardi | December 10, 2020
Chest Doctor Lambasts Health Agencies For Ignoring Re-Purposed Drug That Provides Almost Complete Protection Against COVID-19 And Would Replace Need For All Vaccines
Speaking on the cusp of FDA licensure of COVID-19 vaccines and coerced immunization of the entire U.S. population, chest doctor Dr. Pierre Kory MD, speaking before the US Congress, passionately begs the National Institutes of Health to cease touting expensive drugs and vaccines and analyze compelling data produced by ivermectin, a long-standing, safe, Nobel-prize winning anti-parasitic drug, that is convincingly saving lives and completely preventing healthcare workers from coming down with symptoms of COVID-19.
According to data tabulated by the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, use of Ivermectin would eliminate the need for immunizing 325 million Americans with unproven vaccines that are only being tested to see if they allay symptoms, not save lives.
With less than 1 in 10,000 Americans without co-morbid conditions coming down with COVID-19 associated symptoms and dying, a completely safe and effective vaccine would have to be administered to 9,999 people to spare 1 life. A 100% effective vaccine would be less than 1% effective.
Effectively treating ~9000 ICU COVID-19 patients, the current ICU census, with a highly effective drug would be more targeted, economical and practical.
Took Kory took umbrage over criticism he is touting ivermectin for political reasons.
Dr. Kory said “he is severely troubled by the FDA, CDC and NIH is touting novel and/or expensive pharmaceutically-engineered drugs.”
Kory said there is a “a drug of miraculous impact. It basically obliterates the transmission of this virus. If you take it, you will not get sick. Ivermectin not only is a prophylactic – it was used among 800 healthcare workers, not one got sick; in the 400 who did not get Ivermectin, 237 (58%) got sick.”
Dr. Kory went on to say Ivermectin has immense antiviral activity. “If you take Ivermectin in the hospital, you will not die or almost eliminate your risk of dying. It is critical for use in this disease.”
“Any further deaths are going to be needless deaths!” he told Congress.
In a landmark paper, the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance has published evidence of Ivermectin’s efficacy. Other evidence is also available for analysis.
A statement issued by the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance is also available for review. Or hear Dr. Kory plead with Congress for NIH review.
LINK - Proven Drug That Is Now Saving Thousands of Lives Should Be Approved To Prevent/Cure Covid-19 Instead of Unproven Vaccines - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
by Bill Sardi | December 10, 2020
Chest Doctor Lambasts Health Agencies For Ignoring Re-Purposed Drug That Provides Almost Complete Protection Against COVID-19 And Would Replace Need For All Vaccines
Speaking on the cusp of FDA licensure of COVID-19 vaccines and coerced immunization of the entire U.S. population, chest doctor Dr. Pierre Kory MD, speaking before the US Congress, passionately begs the National Institutes of Health to cease touting expensive drugs and vaccines and analyze compelling data produced by ivermectin, a long-standing, safe, Nobel-prize winning anti-parasitic drug, that is convincingly saving lives and completely preventing healthcare workers from coming down with symptoms of COVID-19.
According to data tabulated by the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, use of Ivermectin would eliminate the need for immunizing 325 million Americans with unproven vaccines that are only being tested to see if they allay symptoms, not save lives.
With less than 1 in 10,000 Americans without co-morbid conditions coming down with COVID-19 associated symptoms and dying, a completely safe and effective vaccine would have to be administered to 9,999 people to spare 1 life. A 100% effective vaccine would be less than 1% effective.
Effectively treating ~9000 ICU COVID-19 patients, the current ICU census, with a highly effective drug would be more targeted, economical and practical.
Took Kory took umbrage over criticism he is touting ivermectin for political reasons.
Dr. Kory said “he is severely troubled by the FDA, CDC and NIH is touting novel and/or expensive pharmaceutically-engineered drugs.”
Kory said there is a “a drug of miraculous impact. It basically obliterates the transmission of this virus. If you take it, you will not get sick. Ivermectin not only is a prophylactic – it was used among 800 healthcare workers, not one got sick; in the 400 who did not get Ivermectin, 237 (58%) got sick.”
Dr. Kory went on to say Ivermectin has immense antiviral activity. “If you take Ivermectin in the hospital, you will not die or almost eliminate your risk of dying. It is critical for use in this disease.”
“Any further deaths are going to be needless deaths!” he told Congress.
In a landmark paper, the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance has published evidence of Ivermectin’s efficacy. Other evidence is also available for analysis.
A statement issued by the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance is also available for review. Or hear Dr. Kory plead with Congress for NIH review.
LINK - Proven Drug That Is Now Saving Thousands of Lives Should Be Approved To Prevent/Cure Covid-19 Instead of Unproven Vaccines - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That’s why it’s only given once monthly to dogs for heart worm prevention.
wobble
Veteran Member
I have a full syringe of it in the fridge. My sweet doggie died a month ago. I was dreaming about him this morning, actually. I was hugging him and rubbing his cheeks and then he disappeared.. 
But his med is in the fridge, unopened...waiting for the experiment on me. (I've been using this paste form of Ivermectin since about 1983 for my dog kids)
I also have fenbendazole left that I was treating him for a parathyroid issue. It gave him an extra couple years!
But his med is in the fridge, unopened...waiting for the experiment on me. (I've been using this paste form of Ivermectin since about 1983 for my dog kids)
I also have fenbendazole left that I was treating him for a parathyroid issue. It gave him an extra couple years!
rob0126
Veteran Member
This is the brand of quercetin i use.
Also, Ive read that if you have liver issues, to take milk thistle with ivermectin, in case you have parasites; the die off could overload your liver.
Id say people with inhome pets and those who eat pork might want to consider these cautions.
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Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
As sad as it may seem, I trust this board and my own research on the internet WAY MORE than I trust the doctors today. I also have Ivermectin, and will take it if I feel it necessary. A sad day when you can not trust the medical industry to do the right thing.I ingested my 2nd dose today. Tasty! (and CHEAP)
WARNING (thanks Hfcomms)
"Everyone needs to do their own due diligence. I would have no problem dosing myself with Ivermectin but don’t ever take anything because you read about it on the forum. In the end we are responsible for our own health and have to do our own research to see if it’s right for you. Nobody is going to care more about your health than you do."
Southside
Bwahaha! Yup. I've ingested more than my fair share of the stuff by going down long rows of kennels and stalls with a bag or bottle of it in my teeth and a dosing syringe in my grubby paws, rassling uncooperative beasts at the same time, and it never killed me, but I sure as heck don't see how it can have a chance of being effective against a viral disease...color me highly skeptical. I sure wouldn't recommend it as a scattershot, half-assed self-treatment.
BTW..it's the 40% glycerol that makes it taste sweet...the rest is propylene glycol. Only 1% ivermectin in Ivomec injectable cattle wormer. (Yeah...we used it for oral dosing lot, too).
For informational purposes, see below......
Insert info via Valley Vet - link below:
Compendium of Veterinary Products - Sign in to your CVP Account
BTW..it's the 40% glycerol that makes it taste sweet...the rest is propylene glycol. Only 1% ivermectin in Ivomec injectable cattle wormer. (Yeah...we used it for oral dosing lot, too).
For informational purposes, see below......
Insert info via Valley Vet - link below:
Compendium of Veterinary Products - Sign in to your CVP Account
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TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Even before hearing the doctor in the OP, I believed it was ok for people to take and a good idea as a preventative, and if someone tests positive (after someone here posted about it re: covid, and after researching it).
This doctor knows what he is talking about.
The CDC and medical professionals who refuse to give people access to it should be sued. Certainly it is in medical journals, and much safer then the vaccines.
The CDC, Fauci, Birx, and FDA should all be sued if they try to cover up this information, and even if they do not promote this information...so are they? It would be the right thing to do, on so many levels!
This doctor knows what he is talking about.
The CDC and medical professionals who refuse to give people access to it should be sued. Certainly it is in medical journals, and much safer then the vaccines.
The CDC, Fauci, Birx, and FDA should all be sued if they try to cover up this information, and even if they do not promote this information...so are they? It would be the right thing to do, on so many levels!
Ya know...I'm gonna be straight-up. If you can't do the math, you really shouldn't be self-administering medications - especially off-label medications.
Burrito
Veteran Member
why go the pill route? Order the paste from Amazon. Or if you do go the pill route (will take a few weeks to get it from ADC) you could crush it up and use a scale I guess.
F##k off.
Some of us are just not "mathies". Some of us are/were desperate to get it right and at this stage of the game, your response was rather mean. "I have a secret on how to figure something out that could save your life but I'm not going to help you because you can't do the math yourself".
Whether it's ivermectin or something else that needs conversion, how about being a little kinder to those of us who aren't as far up on the totem pole as you seem to be. How are others going to learn if they get a response like you posted? Geesh...I thought we were here to help others less fortunate than ourselves.
I've only had one cup of coffee and that's probably why I'm taking offense to your response to Terrwyn, but what you said helped Terrwyn, and maybe others, none whatsoever.
I said I was going to be straight, and I stand by what I said. If you can't even do a ballpark "does this make any sense", you shouldn't be messing with medication doses. I've found that sometimes it takes a 2x4.
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
And just a reminder, though I realize most people are aware of this -- if you have any dogs with collie blood in them, be really careful with your ivermectin around them. Some of them react badly to the stuff. And they may get dosed even when you didn't intend them to. A pup of mine got hold of what was left in a tube when it fell off the shelf above the milking stand while I was milking the goat I'd intended to dose. She was at the vets for a couple of days, and it took another several days at home before she was fully recovered.
I'm saving the information that was posted above, but I'll do some more research before I decide to dose my daughter and myself with ivermectin.
Kathleen
I'm saving the information that was posted above, but I'll do some more research before I decide to dose my daughter and myself with ivermectin.
Kathleen
Hfcomms
EN66iq
You also need to be careful as it's not always apples and oranges. For some medications you can't do a milligram or microgram comparison. Both medications may contain Ivermectin but the potency could be different between medicines approved for human use as opposed to veterinary use. The Ivermectin in the pill form that 'weighs' 6 mg might have more than 5 mg of fillers and .02 mg of actual Ivermectin.
The Ivermectin in paste form has flavoring and other ingredients to make it more palatable for the animals and although pharmacology is pharmacology with some medications it effects human beings differently and the dosing is different. To use for example the dosing for a horse and to cut it down in lbs for human dosing is comparing the apples to oranges.
That is why we need to be very careful with prescription medicine so we don't make a tragic mistake. With some meds that are well known and we would need to take a huge overdose to be toxic with other meds it doesn't take much on an error to put you in serious jeopardy.
I haven't done the research with Ivermectin but I would first consult the human pharmacology for effective dosing for what I am attempting to dose for along with the potency and then investigate the veterinary drug I'm trying to substitute and along with it's potency and then do the 'math' to come up with a safe and effective dose for myself.
I have my arguments with the medical establishment of course but when it comes to their warnings of self dosing and using veterinary drugs and administering them to yourself they have an argument. You can treat yourself IMO but you have to be careful.
I do have a tube of veterinary use Ivermectin but haven't figured out yet how much to take or how often as for me I would only use it if I get symptomatic and not as a prophylaxis.
YMMV of course.
Well, except the human dose for approximately a 200# human is 12 mgs ACTIVE INGREDIENT, and that *is* how you have to figure it. Tablets and capsules are always labeled as the dose of active ingredient, not the weight of the pill!
I just posted dosing info, etc on the Martial Law thread. Here.
Summerthyme
From my response on the "other" active Ivermectin thread:
The dose for my dogs is 1/10th CC for every 10 lbs of body weight. So a 100 lb dog gets 1 CC. I suppose a 200 lb human would get 2 CC. (This is the injectible product, but squirted onto their food, so it IS ingestible as well.)
The dose for my dogs is 1/10th CC for every 10 lbs of body weight. So a 100 lb dog gets 1 CC. I suppose a 200 lb human would get 2 CC. (This is the injectible product, but squirted onto their food, so it IS ingestible as well.)
And my response to that was : IF HUMANS AND DOGS REQUIRE THE SAME DOSE.
(I should point out that dosage even for dogs varies widely *depending on what you are treating*.)
You *need* to figure out the micrograms to kilograms (or pounds) dose for YOUR total weight. The human dose tablets come in 6mg and 12 mg doses, so it obviously doesn't require very tight dosing.
REMEMBER... ivermectin stays in the body for quite awhile. If you start dosing every day, you are going to overdose at some point. Just do your research!
Summerthyme
(I should point out that dosage even for dogs varies widely *depending on what you are treating*.)
You *need* to figure out the micrograms to kilograms (or pounds) dose for YOUR total weight. The human dose tablets come in 6mg and 12 mg doses, so it obviously doesn't require very tight dosing.
REMEMBER... ivermectin stays in the body for quite awhile. If you start dosing every day, you are going to overdose at some point. Just do your research!
Summerthyme
brokenwings
Veteran Member
Refer to posts 3, 4 and 5 at this site:Ivermectin / HCQ / Azith or Doxycycline Dosage | Peak Prosperity
Post 3 is by Dr. Martinson (PhD in economics, if my memory serves me).
I can't post the article as I'm on my phone.
Post 3 is by Dr. Martinson (PhD in economics, if my memory serves me).
I can't post the article as I'm on my phone.
Shooter
Veteran Member
I wasn`t allowed to say anything until today. But it's okay now for me share that I volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. It is in six stages and I received my first dose at noon yesterday. I just wanted to let you all know that it is totally safe, and I’m okay with no ill иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши. чувствую себя немного странно
Profit of Doom
Dismember
How long do you have to stay off the vodka?
Nope. Not how it works here.
She is right that if people don't understand even the basics of how to translate "150 ug/kg" into a dosage for a 150# human, they really should let a professional prescribe.
I've posted human prescribing info several times, if people are interested. But it scares me a bit that people may think "well, maybe once a month is ok, but daily would be better"... and they *are* going to end up overdosing. IVERMECTIN CAN CAUSE LIVER DAMAGE. If you drink alcohol, especially more than a drink or two every few weeks, you should be cautious. It also may cause or worsen seizures, and may trigger serious asthma attacks.
Do your own due diligence, and always set on the side of caution!
Summerthyme
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I appreciate this discussion!
I'm fine with the sambucol - zinc - vitamin C & D, green tea supplements. I know from my own experience that zinc can drop one of my colds in its tracks as sambucol does with the flu, if it is flu and not food poisoning. I use green tea for weight loss. With plenty of water and moderation, these things won't hurt my liver. I'm not as sure about the ivermectin, but I'll keep and open mind and continue researching.
Long-term effects on my liver is my primary concern right now. I don't see this issue addressed nearly enough.
I still think daily walks outside about noon when the sun is strongest is good preventative medicine in my area in the winter months.
I'm fine with the sambucol - zinc - vitamin C & D, green tea supplements. I know from my own experience that zinc can drop one of my colds in its tracks as sambucol does with the flu, if it is flu and not food poisoning. I use green tea for weight loss. With plenty of water and moderation, these things won't hurt my liver. I'm not as sure about the ivermectin, but I'll keep and open mind and continue researching.
Long-term effects on my liver is my primary concern right now. I don't see this issue addressed nearly enough.
I still think daily walks outside about noon when the sun is strongest is good preventative medicine in my area in the winter months.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
And the liver issue is why I won’t use ivermectin as a prophylaxis. There are other things like the D3, Zinc and Quercetin that are safe to use as part of a daily supplement as a preventative. I’d save the Ivermectin if I suspected that I was infected.
If anyone wants to do the math, the Durvet ivermectin paste from tractor supply is a 1.87% ivermectin.
This is the dosing on the back of the package:
the syringe contains sufficient paste to treat one 1250 pound horse at the recommended dose rate of 91 MCG ivermectin per pound (200 mcg/kg) body weight. Each white marking on the syringe plunger delivers enough paste to trest 250 pound body weight.
Hope this helps anyone for what it's worth.
This is the dosing on the back of the package:
the syringe contains sufficient paste to treat one 1250 pound horse at the recommended dose rate of 91 MCG ivermectin per pound (200 mcg/kg) body weight. Each white marking on the syringe plunger delivers enough paste to trest 250 pound body weight.
Hope this helps anyone for what it's worth.
Sicario
The Executor
Here's the Martenson post:
The horse Ivermectin, apple flavored seems to be the most common, comes as a 1.87% paste. That works out to 18.7 mg/gram (or 18,700 micrograms/gram)
The standard dose for humans is between 150 and 200 micrograms (millionths of a gram) per kg. The calculations are pretty simple. Here’s the table that results for a variety of ‘patient’ weights and the dosing range for the 1.87% paste.
LINK - Ivermectin / HCQ / Azith or Doxycycline Dosage | Peak Prosperity
- Fri, Aug 21, 2020 - 03:50am
Ivermectin / HCQ / Azith or Doxycycline Dosage
The horse Ivermectin, apple flavored seems to be the most common, comes as a 1.87% paste. That works out to 18.7 mg/gram (or 18,700 micrograms/gram)
The standard dose for humans is between 150 and 200 micrograms (millionths of a gram) per kg. The calculations are pretty simple. Here’s the table that results for a variety of ‘patient’ weights and the dosing range for the 1.87% paste.
LINK - Ivermectin / HCQ / Azith or Doxycycline Dosage | Peak Prosperity
Look out Dobbin,you might be in line for a raid.Obviously nobody is going to say this is "ok," but you do as your research dictates. That being said, aside from craving oats and sugar cubes, I feel great!
Krayola
Veteran Member
To anyone who says that Ivermectin as a treatment is bunk, you have not been paying attention. I personally became aware of it in April 2020 and there is currently a lot of scientific research in support of it.
I would also advise everyone to be careful and not take this everyday as a preventative unless you are doing so under a doctor's care.
I personally plan to take it only if I develop symptoms and I will try to get my doctor to prescribe it before I try the paste. I believe that this is not something you take every day (even if you are positive for covid) because it stays in the body. Go to the peak prosperity (Chris Martenson) discussion forum and look up the ivermectin threads and read them.
Also be aware that if Biden gets in, they will continue to crack down on alternative treatments and possibly make it extremely hard to purchase ivermectin over the counter, so I would suggest you save your current supplies and only use if you become ill. Just a suggestion.
I would also advise everyone to be careful and not take this everyday as a preventative unless you are doing so under a doctor's care.
I personally plan to take it only if I develop symptoms and I will try to get my doctor to prescribe it before I try the paste. I believe that this is not something you take every day (even if you are positive for covid) because it stays in the body. Go to the peak prosperity (Chris Martenson) discussion forum and look up the ivermectin threads and read them.
Also be aware that if Biden gets in, they will continue to crack down on alternative treatments and possibly make it extremely hard to purchase ivermectin over the counter, so I would suggest you save your current supplies and only use if you become ill. Just a suggestion.
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
No but sort of, They are both wormers.
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AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
A potentially silly question here. If the product is designed to be injectible, but instead is ingested; wouldn't or doesn't the acids in the stomach affect the medicine taken? Wouldn't the stomach acids just eat the stuff up?