RACE Second night of LA clashes after knife wielding immigrant killed

[Joann]

LA, two nights of rioting by Hispanic community in protest of LAPD shooting of a drunk Guatemalan man on a bicycle wielding a knife and threatening others on the street. Police were called and the man, Manuel Jamines, kept up with threats with a knife in his hand, police shot him, resulting in two night riot in LA. No mention of immigration status of Jamines. Please see links for entire story.

Hispanic man inciting violence and threats with knife (which kind of knife was not disclosed) one week after the release of "Machete" film uniting the illegal immigrant community in one voice ... is what I was expecting as a flashpoint.

Second night of LA clashes after immigrant killed

(AFP) – 10 hours ago

LOS ANGELES — Los Angeles riot police arrested 22 protestors and fired rubber bullets in a second night of clashes after a Guatemalan immigrant was shot dead in a confrontation with officers, officials said early Wednesday.
Angry mostly Hispanic demonstrators hurled rocks, bottles and eggs at the local police station in the MacArthur Park area near downtown Los Angeles, according to an AFP photographer on the scene.

Speaking a day after protestors burned mattresses and other rubbish Monday night, police chief Charlie Beck said the officers involved had been defending themselves in the shooting Sunday.

Thirty-seven year-old construction worker Manuel Jamines was shot dead after threatening a passer-by with a knife. He ignored orders from bicycle officers to drop his weapon, instead lunging at them, a spokesman said.

"He was ordered several times in English and Spanish to drop the knife, and failed to comply," said Beck.
"The suspect then raised the knife over his head and advanced on officers, at which time an officer-involved shooting occurred. The suspect fell to the ground where he was taken into custody without further incident."

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[Joann]

See videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azJrna3vbWs

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/08/los.angeles.protests/index.html?hpt=T2

 

[WildDaisy]

So was he Equidorian, Guatamalan, or what?

From the articles, it sounds like a cut and dry case. Put the knife down and he would have been fine. Wasn't a language barrier as they said they told him to drop it in both English and Spanish.

What are they upset at and why are they protesting? And does the violent protests really make life better. If people are afraid and think "your kind" are violent, and then you go ahead with violent protests with burning the home and businesses around you, setting cars on fire etc, aren't those that think you are a "violent type", right?

 

[Josie]

I also find it interesting that the protests are taking place only at night. Seems to me that if the supposed victim and the prostesters were all on the up and up and legal, they they wouldn't need the cover of darkness to protest.

I dunno. Just seems a little strange that during the day, at least on my tee vee screen, everything seems to be business as usual.

 

[Thomas Paine]

The answer is simple drop the less lethal crap and start shooting rioters.It's simple, it's old school, but it works.

 

[Joann]

Americans are just suppose to STFU from crimes committed by them, see this thread for referrence:

Criminal Reports of Illegal Aliens (daily updates).

 

[LONEWOLF]

Los Angeles has been viewing "Machete"......?

 

[hrspwr]

The answer is simple drop the less lethal crap and start shooting rioters.It's simple, it's old school, but it works.

Did wonders at Kent State,

Firehoses seem to work pretty good though.

 

[Thomas Paine]

Did wonders at Kent State,

Firehoses seem to work pretty good though.

My only problem with Kent state was the number of none involved personnel that got tagged. The NG should have had a body in the crowd of rioters for every round fired.No one 2 blocks away or a block away should have been hit by a stray or wild round.

Funny little story I have a box set of CDs (Have a Nice Decade, The 70's Pop Culture Box ) from Rhino records that mixes songs from the 70s with music from the era and after the song One Tin Soldier there is a clip of a radio newscast with a witness to the Kent State shooting talking about how after the shooting one of the protesters/rioters was laying on the ground saying repeatedly they had live ammunition they didn't have blanks. DUH!

 

[L.A.B.]

Los Angeles has been viewing "Machete"......?

LONEWOLF- (Insight) is a bravo Ida tango Charlie hotel isn't it!

 

[denfoote]

Did wonders at Kent State,

Firehoses seem to work pretty good though.

It did show the domestic Communist who was in charge.
It should have been expanded nationwide.
We wouldn't have had the problem of those young Marxists growing up to be Democrats!!

Yeah, give the beaners lead!!

Either LAPD does it now or MCSO is gonna have to do it later.
If Joe gets into it, there will be a lot of beaners taking dirt naps. The civilian good decent people or Arizona, both Anglo and Latino (Sheriff Joe keeps getting reelected by 75% margins. Clearly, a lot of Hispanics are voting for him.) are gonna be standing right beside him, rifles in hand and deputy's badges on their chests!! Just like the old western movies, the county sheriffs in AZ have the authority to deputize as many civilians, as necessary, to keep the peace.

There will be illegals rioting in YOUR town.
Live it, love it, prepare to deal with it.

 

[Warthog]

The answer is simple drop the less lethal crap and start shooting rioters.It's simple, it's old school, but it works.

Or in other words. "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight."

 

[hrspwr]

The shit is getting exceedingly deep around here.
The same people that piss and moan about the police using excessive force sit here and advocate murder as a viable tool to break up a riot.

 

[Thomas Paine]

The shit is getting exceedingly deep around here.
The same people that piss and moan about the police using excessive force sit here and advocate murder as a viable tool to break up a riot.

A riot in progress is lethal force. Been there done that wasn't allowed to respond in kind due to ROE. It sucks donkey genitals believe me. Oh one other thing it ain't murder, it's self defense.

 

[Hfcomms]

What the heck are the cops supposed to do when a drunk flies at them wielding a knife and refuses to put it down? Sing lulabies to him? Personally I would always take the LTLF route if I could but when a guy is charging you with a knife you get a split second to react to it. How would these 'protesters' react if a guy came at them with a knife? Yeah, I thought so.

 

[Joann]

I would like to hear from these people:

"The investigation revealed that several citizens were threatened by the suspect with a knife just prior to the officers' arrival,'' Beck said.

 

[nharrold]

What the heck are the cops supposed to do when a drunk flies at them wielding a knife and refuses to put it down? Sing lulabies to him? Personally I would always take the LTLF route if I could but when a guy is charging you with a knife you get a split second to react to it. How would these 'protesters' react if a guy came at them with a knife? Yeah, I thought so.

Don't know if it's still true, but the rule of thumb used to be that a knife-wielding attacker can cover 21 feet and get to you before you can draw and fire. Thomas? Maureen?

 

[amazon]

I hope someone remembers, but I know I read about the Kent State shootings. How they were *arranged* by CIA or some such. Maybe they told the students they would be rubber bullets and that's why he was shocked. Sorry to digress....

As to the cops...we don't know all the details, but maybe they coulda took out a knee? IDK.... I don't blame them. It seems the man brought it on himself. Let's face it the .gov is whipping the illegals up into a frenzy. We will most likely see more of this.

 

[mt4design]

FWIW, I really think people should pay close attention to Los Angeles and the present situation.

We have had several mass shootings recently directly related to drugs and control.

Couple that with this situation where illegals feel emboldened to rebel against the police when this is a clear, cut and dry case where a man was drunk, disorderly, and violently threatening people with an already bloody knife and things get stranger.

Then, combine that with the fact that L.A. is a "sanctuary city" and the situation gets even clearer.

The area where this shooting happened is known to be a place where illegals can go to get fake drivers licenses, social security cards, etc.

Anarchy isn't just on our doorstep, it's moved in and made itself at home.

Mike

 

[KenGin31]

One call to ICE would solve the problem.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I hope someone remembers, but I know I read about the Kent State shootings. How they were *arranged* by CIA or some such. Maybe they told the students they would be rubber bullets and that's why he was shocked. Sorry to digress....

As to the cops...we don't know all the details, but maybe they coulda took out a knee? IDK.... I don't blame them. It seems the man brought it on himself. Let's face it the .gov is whipping the illegals up into a frenzy. We will most likely see more of this.

In a situation like this you shoot center mass and repeat as needed till the threat ain't a threat no more. Shooting to wound is a bozo no no, due to legalities and due to possibility arms and legs are small fast moving targets with few vital organs that will stop an aggressor.Center mass is loaded with vital organs and the central nervous system which when damaged can stop an attacker super fast if it works.

 

[Rucus Sunday]

They aren't protesters. Provocateurs. That is their job, given any excuse.

 

[Bolt]

Several INS vans would sure put a damper on the rioters. Only in amerika can illegals and their sympathizers take to the streets, rioting over the death of a fellow illegal alien (I say illegal because all the reports refer to him as a day laborer - one of the code words in CA for illegal alien) that was self inflicted.

 

[mt4design]

I hope someone remembers, but I know I read about the Kent State shootings. How they were *arranged* by CIA or some such. Maybe they told the students they would be rubber bullets and that's why he was shocked. Sorry to digress....

As to the cops...we don't know all the details, but maybe they coulda took out a knee? IDK.... I don't blame them. It seems the man brought it on himself. Let's face it the .gov is whipping the illegals up into a frenzy. We will most likely see more of this.

amazon, ironically, I heard a reporter here in L.A. asking why the cop didn't just "shoot to wing the guy". The question made me snicker because the reporter admitted to never firing a gun.

FWIW, when I was growing up shooting with my dad (who fired for real during WWII) he always taught me that a gun is a violent instrument of death and that if one is ever compelled to point it at an individual then one MUST shoot to kill. The margin of error is too great to risk your life of that of your family, friends or comrades.

Shooting to wound is great if you have a scope on a rifle and time to place a shot. In the mere seconds that exist between life and the edge of death I would think a cop has as much right to protect his own life along with all those around him.

Mike

 

[Joann]

Good post mt4design.

They're at it again tonight, however, tv is keeping a low value coverage according to many reports I've read from CA.

Several hundred protesters gather at site where LAPD officer shot man

September 8, 2010 | 9:56 pm

Several hundred protesters were gathered Wednesday night at 6th Street and Union Avenue in Westlake, near a series of makeshift memorials set up where a man was shot and killed by a Los Angeles police officer.

The Los Angeles Police Department said at least two people had been arrested after officers briefly skirmished with demonstrators, some of whom threw trash and bottles at officers.

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Photo: -- Esmeralda Bermudez at 6th Street and Union Avenue

 

[Warthog]

The shit is getting exceedingly deep around here.
The same people that piss and moan about the police using excessive force sit here and advocate murder as a viable tool to break up a riot.

Rubber buckshot, gas, water cannons will break it up just as well.

 

[American Rage]

Mexicans are America's Palestinians.


Rage

 

[Dex]

These rioters shouldn't be called protesters. That's BS. Call a spade a spade.

They should only be shot if they are using lethal force against the police or citizens during their rioting, otherwise they need to be dispersed with non-lethal means.

I'll bet the military is just chomping at the bit wanting to use some of their new riot control toys on those dirt bags. Those illegal immigrant rioters COULD be considered foreign aggressors and insurgents which should be enough to authorize high-tech dispersal methods.

Furthermore, who's to say that these rioters aren't domestic or foreign terrorists? If the perpetrators are illegal immigrants, they SHOULD be considered terrorists because they are terrorizing the population and I wouldn't be one bit surprised if there were Muslim agent provocateurs involved. Where does the Patriot Act kick in? If it were a supposed white militia committing these crimes you could bet your ass that DHS would be all over them like stink on a monkey. It would appear that the Patriot Act(s) only applies to Americans, especially white ones.

 

[ready2go]

Don't know if it's still true, but the rule of thumb used to be that a knife-wielding attacker can cover 21 feet and get to you before you can draw and fire. Thomas? Maureen?

I'll chime in if it's ok. It's a true story. In the academy, they gave us simunition guns and armed the bad guy with a fake knife. They told us when he attacks, draw and fire or draw fire and move. The bad guy was able to cover 21 feet in three or four steps - most people couldn't get their gun unholstered before they were stabbed.

Next, they changed it up a bit. They had us draw our guns and told us to fire when the attack started. Most everyone was able to get one round off but the bad guy's forward momentum still got them. It was an eye opener.

 

[L.A.B.]

In the midst of all this contrived protest, how difficult would it be for a Spanish speaking OTM to infiltrate the crowd with a little Idaechodelta that was built to look like it came from south of the border?

I have not been watching TV news coverage of this topic, so I do not have any idea the tempo or volume of organized rage. I'm just tossing a hunch, that the crowds will be infiltrated and utilized for maximum social / race effect sometime soon.