CHAT Scorpions

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
So I'm sitting here thinking, "Wall, we ain't got them thangs HERE." But as usual I checked. Oops.
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Scorpions in North Carolina Biting and Stinging Pests
Southern Devil Scorpion
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Although we tend to think of scorpions as inhabiting desert areas, there is a species of scorpion found primarily in western North Carolina. Vaejovis carolinianus (Figure 1, Figure 2), more commonly called the "southern unstriped scorpion" or "southern devil scorpion." Its body is more uniformly brown and about one inch in length when fully grown. This species is found in the southeastern United States on up into Virginia and central Kentucky. In North Carolina, it has been found primarily in the western area from Cherokee County to Polk County. However, it has been reported in other areas of the state as well. Other scorpions, particularly the striped bark scorpion, Centruroides vittatus, and the Hentz striped scorpion Centruroides hentzi, have been introduced accidentally with the movement of items from their native areas and could become established in other areas of North Carolina.
Figure 1. Southern devil scorpion, Vejovis carolinianus.
Figure 1. Southern devil scorpion, Vejovis carolinianus.
Courtesy of Chris Bartol, Tryon, NC
Figure 2. Female scorpion carrying offspring.
Figure 2. Female scorpion carrying offspring.
Courtesy of Chris Bartol, Tryon, NC
Scorpion Habitat
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Scorpions are normally found outdoors under the loose bark of trees and logs or under logs and stones on the ground. Around homes, they prefer wood piles (Figure 3), crumbling stone, brick foundations, or possibly inside the crawlspace of a house, particularly if old building materials like lumber are stored there (and the scorpions "hitch-hike" on them). The diet of scorpions normally consists of insects, millipedes, spiders, and sometimes very small reptiles. Although we generally associate scorpions with dry desert-like conditions, the southern unstriped scorpion is usually found in very moist areas because that is where their prey is found. Many people become alarmed when they see a live scorpion scurrying across their carpet or find a dead one in their closet or behind / under furniture. Dead scorpions are found in recessed ceiling lighting fixtures in a home usually as a result of infested items being moved into an unfinished attic.
Scorpions prefer to live outdoors. However, they may survive (and thrive) indoors if they find suitable prey. Scorpions are more likely to be found in areas that are moist or humid, such as bathrooms, kitchens (near the sink), or in a laundry room. They may enter homes through openings around plumbing fixtures, loose fitting doors and windows (Figure 4), or through existing cracks in foundations and walls.
Figure 3. Woodpiles make an attractive habitat for scorpions. Al
Figure 3. Woodpiles make an attractive habitat for scorpions. Always wear gloves when handling firewood.
improperly fitting crawlspace door
Figure 4. Scorpions can crawl through gaps around doors and enter crawlspaces.
Do Not Be Alarmed
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Unfortunately, the sight of one scorpion often sends people into a nervous panic. Although the southern unstriped scorpion can sting, it is not considered to be a public health threat except possibly to individuals who are allergic to other arthropod venoms or have other health issues. However, the sting of a scorpion is painful, so people that have sighted a few in their home may want to take some simple precautions. The easiest step to take is to vigorously shake clothing before wearing. Shaking is particularly useful with shoes stored in a closet or workboots left outdoors on porches or steps. Scorpions tend to be more active at night so beds should not touch the room walls. In houses where scorpions have been seen before, individuals should not walk barefoot at night.
Control Measures
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Controlling scorpions really amounts to several tasks:
Find their hiding places both indoors and outdoors. Inside the home, you can expect them to be hiding in dark areas. Carefully remove items from cabinets (e.g., under sinks) and the floor of closets and inspect the areas carefully. If you have found several scorpions indoors, it is a good idea to wear garden gloves when removing items for inspection. You can also use glue boards (the same type used for mice) in closets and under sinks to monitor for scorpions. Outdoors, get rid of piles of debris outside where scorpions, spiders, and other pests may hide. Check around rock piles. Stones used for landscaping or bark mulches can occasionally harbor scorpions. It is a good practice to check firewood before bringing it indoors as well. Always wear gloves when handling firewood or cleaning up debris piles.
Seal openings around plumbing fixtures
with foam insulation, repair loose fitting doors and windows, caulk cracks in basement walls and foundations, remove stored building materials in the basement or crawl space, and remove debris, including firewood stacks away from the house. Control of scorpions by chemical methods can be difficult and thus is the least preferred route to take. The reason insecticides do not work well is because scorpions can survive for several months without feeding. Scorpions have been known to live for six months without food and water and may hide for two months after feeding. Therefore a product with a long residual action is needed to await their emergence. Several insecticides have some effectiveness against scorpions and are available for consumer use. The following are some examples.
Active IngredientCommon Brand Name
bifenthrinOrtho Home Defense (indoor/outdoor)
cyfluthrinBayer Advanced Pest Control (indoor/outdoor)
gamma-cyhalothrinSpectracide Bug Stop (indoor/outdoor use)
However, the most effective and safest applications are probably best performed by a licensed pest management professional. Indoor treatments should be directed to the baseboards (a "crack & crevice treatment"), corners and closets where the scorpions (and their prey) might hide. Extreme care must be exercised when spraying in a confined area like a closet or where food and cooking surfaces or utensils could be contaminated. Exterior treatments should include spraying the foundation and around doors, windows and other possible entry points. A general treatment of crawlspaces is typically unnecessary with isolated occurrences of scorpions and is probably best left to professionals if you want one done.

Resources
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Grounds Maintenance Magazine, October, 1984
Shelley, R.M. and W. D. Sissom 1995. Distribution of the Scorpions Centruroides vittatus (Say) and Centroides hentzi (Banks) int he United States and Mexico (Scorpiones, Burthidae). Journal of Arachnology 23:100-110.
Authors
Michael WaldvogelExtension Specialist (Household & Structural Entomology)
Entomology and Plant Pathology
Patricia AlderAsst. Director - Structural Pest Management Training Facility
Entomology and Plant Pathology
John ViningCounty Extension Director (Retired)
Cooperative Extension Service)


Integrated Pest Management is your friend!
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I'll still take scorpions over these evil bastages...

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NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's one of the reason we don't discourage the possums and raccoons around the house. They keep most of the crawlies away. Even better would be some skunks. Scorpions are their favoritemost snack!
Interesting to know !!!

However, our pups keep possums & raccoons run off. I assume our cats would take care of any crawlies that get to the house. The cats eat the mice, kill the moles & lizards for sport. During summer we also have bats that take care mosquitoes, and they also eat wasps

Had a friend that use to keep guinneas ( sp ? ) a kind of chicken. He liked them as alarms, made a fuss about anything, and ate ticks. Said they would also kill & eat snakes.
 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
Interesting to know !!!

However, our pups keep possums & raccoons run off. I assume our cats would take care of any crawlies that get to the house. The cats eat the mice, kill the moles & lizards for sport. During summer we also have bats that take care mosquitoes, and they also eat wasps

Had a friend that use to keep guinneas ( sp ? ) a kind of chicken. He liked them as alarms, made a fuss about anything, and ate ticks. Said they would also kill & eat snakes.

chickens will too. and not be as noisy about it.
 

mourningdove

Pura Vida in my garden
We have lived in our current house/land for over 20 years and never saw scorpions until this year. So far in 2020 I have found 2 dead scorpions in my pool and 3 in the house. YUCK!
 

ComCamGuy

Remote Paramedical pain in the ass
Interesting to know !!!

However, our pups keep possums & raccoons run off. I assume our cats would take care of any crawlies that get to the house. The cats eat the mice, kill the moles & lizards for sport. During summer we also have bats that take care mosquitoes, and they also eat wasps

Had a friend that use to keep guinneas ( sp ? ) a kind of chicken. He liked them as alarms, made a fuss about anything, and ate ticks. Said they would also kill & eat snakes.


One of our older cats would find the scorpion in the house and not kill it. He would just bite the stinger off and play with the scorpion till he was bored.

BTW, normally scorpions are found in pairs, so if you only see one, keep looking. There is another one
 

ComCamGuy

Remote Paramedical pain in the ass
A buddy of mine hates the centipedes from his time on Okinawa. There was one like the picture, but a little longer that he ran over with his car on base. It kept moving on across the road seemingly unphased. To this day, the very word centipede sends him either looking for a shotgun or a liquor bottle.
 

fish hook

Deceased
Ugh. When we bought the house we currently live in, 15 years ago, it had been empty for a little while. The first night we went out to get dinner (because we had no refrigerator yet), and when we got home, we opened the front door onto the stairs and there was a small legion of scorpions coming down the stairs. Ugh.

That night, my middle child was stung by a scorpion in two places. He began to yell and his older brother grabbed a short 1"x2" and smashed it against the white carpet. The stain is still there (a testimony to his quick thinking, he says), and we still have the stick, which was named "the scorpion killer." And we still use it.

We don't see them frequently any more. The kids, however, do when they come home to visit. My daughter keeps a box by the bed, and catches them. In the morning, she brings the box downstairs, shaking it. She plops the scorpion out, and it's angry at being shaken so it turns to attack (rather than run away), and she takes care of business.

I do, however, turn on the light in the bathroom when I get up in the middle of the night, and, shielding my eyes against the brightness, check the ceiling. Especially when the weather is getting hot out, and they want to come in. Ugh!
Always check your shoes before you put your foot in,they like to hide there.The only times i was ever stung was when i forgot to do this.
 

kenny1659

Veteran Member
I use Raid Fumigators in the house. They make smoke instead of spraying chemicals. Scorpions are in the spider family so they can go thru and hide in cracks and crevices. DE and or borax help slow them down.
 

fish hook

Deceased
We have lived in our current house/land for over 20 years and never saw scorpions until this year. So far in 2020 I have found 2 dead scorpions in my pool and 3 in the house. YUCK!
Something must be working alright,if all you are finding nothing but dead ones.
 

Green Co.

Administrator
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A long, long time ago, in a land far from here (W.Tx) the wife & I were hunting on a rather large ranch. N one of the modern conveniences were available then (3 & 4 wheelers, side x sides, etc and we didn't own a 4x4) so our method of motivation was by foot. We walked in during the day, put up our sets, and found a dry creek bed for camp. Come dark, we decided to sleep under the stars and not use the tent. The wife woke me up hollering, something had bit her on the head. I found a scorpion in her long hair, but each time I'd try to get it, it had moved. Using my knife, I started cutting bunches of hair, thinking I had the scorpion. I finally got it, after it had stung her 5 times. She did hurt, but after applying some tobacco juice (I chewed some back then) the pain relented enough for her to go to sleep. BTW, she was the one that suggested the hair cutting. Her mother was a hair dresser at the time, and finally got a decent result.

From then on, we always sleep in a tent with a good floor and zipper ties. I was glad that it didn't damped her desire for camping.

For control around the house & outbuildings, I use Bifenthrin concentrate. Don't nothing get thru this stuff.
 

West

Senior
We get a scorpion or two every year in our house. How in the hell do they get up in the ceiling fixtures to begin with IDK. Especially in ours since it's a manufactured home with no attic to speak of. But we do live in the scorpions stomping grounds.

About three years ago, one dropped from the ceiling fan above our bed. At the time my son and I was on the bed watching something on the TV that was freaky as well. Anyway it landed a little closer to him and he flicked it at me!, as it was about to hit me in the head I batted it right back at him, almost making it in his shirt collar!

Oh....good times....

:D
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I'm getting tired of scorpions. Let me tell ya about the time I was driving thru Oklahoma and I swear a tarantula about 6 inches across went running across the road.
it might have been some other species, it was dusk, so, who knows?
But it was big enough that I remember too many legs on too large a body to this day.
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Being from the Buckeye, I have no run ins with these critters. We have skunks, copperheads, Masasagua rattle snakes, deer ticks that (can and do) carry Lyme disease, and I just killed a Brown Recluse spider in my yard.

That said, since you are in Texas, that means you're next to Louisiana. Just put out the word in the Cajun grape vine that scorpions are really good when included in a gumbo or given a bath in hot sauce and grilled. Tell them they taste like crawdads. Also let them know they are free, there's no season on them and you don't need a license to hunt them.

I'd guess your scorpion problem would be gone within 6-months or less.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
This thread is yet another reason why I am glad I live in Northern New England. I can't imagine living anywhere that has scorpions or any of the other creepy crawlies you folks have down south and out west. Cold weather is your friend.
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
I'd been in a new house (not this one) a few days when I saw a huge scorpion in the bathroom. First one I'd ever seen. An hour later, I saw one in the kitchen, even bigger. It ran at me on the counter. Waved its stinger at me. Five minutes later, I was on the phone with an exterminator.

I didn't think I was scared of any bugs. I found out I was mistaken. Freaked me the eff out. The exterminator got rid of them after three visits. Never saw another one.

This house has spiders, but that's okay. I don't mind spiders. We're good here.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Interesting to know !!!

However, our pups keep possums & raccoons run off. I assume our cats would take care of any crawlies that get to the house. The cats eat the mice, kill the moles & lizards for sport. During summer we also have bats that take care mosquitoes, and they also eat wasps

Had a friend that use to keep guinneas ( sp ? ) a kind of chicken. He liked them as alarms, made a fuss about anything, and ate ticks. Said they would also kill & eat snakes.

Guineas are a domestic fowl (sort of domestic -- they go wild very easily), but they are not chickens, not even a kind of chicken, LOL! They are, however, very good at cleaning up ticks, chiggers, and other small pests in the yard -- IF you can get them to stick around. I've got chickens in the yard; they are much easier to keep home and do a good job on the bugs, too.

Kathleen
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Guineas are a domestic fowl (sort of domestic -- they go wild very easily), but they are not chickens, not even a kind of chicken, LOL! They are, however, very good at cleaning up ticks, chiggers, and other small pests in the yard -- IF you can get them to stick around. I've got chickens in the yard; they are much easier to keep home and do a good job on the bugs, too.

Kathleen
Thanks for the info !!
 

Randy in Arizona

Senior Member
Diatomaceous earth.
Summerthyme

Keep in mind that the Diatomaceous Earth for swimming pool filters is worthless for insect control.
For reasons unknown to me they heat it enough to slag down the sharp points on the DE crystals making it ineffective for bug control.

Normal food grade DE under a microscope looks like a bunch of unsheathed bayonets or sharp edged shapes.
This makes it rather hazardous for bugs to walk or crawl through as bugs blood does not clot.
It is not a problem for animals as they are too large for the DE to cause significant injury.
( Unless you breathe it, then Silicosis can be a big problem! )

646
 

Jaybird

Veteran Member
We have scorpions. Was told by a pest control guy they eat spiders and bugs. We have those also. Kill a dozen or so a year and yes the cats corral them. I’ve only seen one of those monsters Millright posted a picture of except it was completely orange and about 8 inches long. I almost stepped on it in the kitchen one morning. Bought a lot of bug spray that day. permethrin is your friend if you live in Oklahoma.
 

ginnie6

Veteran Member
and here I was thinking our Palmetto bugs are bad! they just give you the heebie jeebies though, no sting involved.
 
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