SCI Scientists ‘wake up’ cells of ancient mammoth

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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A team of Japanese and Russian scientists has resurrected the cells of a female baby woolly mammoth named Yuka in a major step towards possibly one day bringing the animal back from extinction.

Yuka’s mummified remains were discovered in 2010 buried in the Siberian permafrost on the Laptev Sea where she died over 28,000 years ago. DNA was extracted from cells within the mammoth’s muscles and bone marrow, and several dozen of the least damaged nuclei were implanted into mice eggs, five of which showed “signs of biological activity.”

The cells were more damaged than initially hoped but the experiment showed significant promise.

Just don’t expect any Jurassic Parks anytime soon, as none of the implanted cells produced cell division, which would be a key process needed for any hope of cloning the giant creatures. Much like Yuka when she died, the efforts to resurrect an actual extinct animal are only in their infancy.

“This suggests that, despite the years that have passed, cell activity can still happen and parts of it can be recreated,” said Kei Miyamoto, one of the study’s authors, as quoted by the New York Post. “We need new technology, we want to try various approaches.”

“[It’s] a significant step towards bringing mammoths back from the dead,” Miyamoto concluded.

The research team at Kindai University in Japan published their findings in the Journal Nature. Thankfully, they are not the only ones attempting to bring these hairy giants back to life.

George Church, a Harvard and MIT geneticist and co-founder of CRISPR, is heading up the Harvard Woolly Mammoth Revival team whose stated aim is to bring the mammoth back to life to help humanity with conservation efforts across the globe.

https://www.rt.com/news/453699-scientists-resurrect-woolly-mammoth-cells/
 

Squib

Veteran Member
How about just keeping the elephants we still have alive, huh? Jeesh. Creepy weirdos.

Some people won’t be happy until they’ve created Frankenstein’s Monster...and it kills them.

I’d be happy if they would stop the out of control breeding of violent subhuman bipedal creatures.
 

jward

passin' thru
Everytime i read an article such as this, my mind translates it into scientist admitting to something they've mastered at least a decade prior. I doubt any good can come of such things, given our natures... But it would fill me with wonder to walk through a living, breathing museum full of cave men and mammoths and egyptians and and and dodo birds!
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sounds like there is hope for me being Woke Up. Gotta look at this one as the glass is half full.
 

vestige

Deceased
I wonder how Yuka died?

I wonder if they "wake up" Yuka's cells they may also wake up some 28,000 year old disease that may have killed her.

I wonder if such a disease could kill off mankind?

Maybe I shouldn't wonder about such things.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I don't have that much of a problem with trying to bring back Mammoths as they existed (in a tiny form) until about 3,000 years ago and they are very close to modern elephants.

Russia has already set aside a "sanctuary" habitat for them and any other of the Eurasian megafauna that is brought back (cave lions, dire wolves, wooly rhinos etc) but I think there needs to be a lot of caution and common sense used when doing so.

Starting with things like the habitat, I have to hand it to the Russian team for bringing this up with their government (of course they also have a lot of tundra land sitting around that can be used).

Also, a "better" way to "bring back" mammoths might be to look at simply "turning on" the "hairy gene" that almost all mammals (including people) have in their genome that just gets turned off in modern elephants who live in warmer climates.

That doesn't make an actual mammoth of course, but a hairy elephant which is probably why the cloning is being looked at so intently.

So far they have potentially viable DNA of both Mammoths and Cave Lions from the tundra discoveries, I don't know about the other critters.

With Dire Wolves I'm much more in favor of the current "Dire Wolf Project" which is breeding a family pet that looks almost exactly like an actual Dire Wolf (which doesn't look like modern wolves by the way) but is actually bred to have the temperament of a giant rug that will lay by your fireplace and lick your kids.

Interestingly enough NO wolf dogs (like our Deamon) are being used in this project just breeds of modern dogs.

Right now they are still very expensive but we hope to get a "pet quality" one when our current guys have gone to the rainbow bridge.

I think this type of breeding is a lot more useful in today's world in terms of pets and the enjoyment of the animals themselves, but I know that the geneticists doing the cloning are not going to stop just because the animals that result might not be very happy.

link for The Dire Wolf Project http://www.direwolfproject.com/
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PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This whole bringing things back to life gives me the creeps when I think of my ex late mother in law.........egads!!
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some things are just better off if they are left dead. Especially, when these scientists have no, or little, understanding of what they are dealing with.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I'm not in favor of it. Behaviorally, it will never be a "real" mammoth. The elephant family especially has almost an inherited culture or core of learning passed down through generations...as do many mammals to some extent.

But, I think it's inevitable that somebody is gonna do it, so I hope it's a country/group that will at least use some common sense and a humane ethic. Not convinced it's the Russians, Japanese or the Chinese.

"Because we can" is not a good enough reason.
 

Bumblepuff

Veteran Member
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Woolly mammoths can be trained to control unruly crowds of angry apes, push snow
plows when machines have malfunctioned, remove heavy snows from rooftops, carry
logs to remote cabins to keep family fireplaces heated, and rescue kittens from trees.
In dire emergencies, they provide fur coats, hides for shelter, and tasty steaks to eat.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
We can turn it over to Big Pharma. They can be trusted. :)

Thing is, I don't trust anybody to do it right. Always thought it was too daymned bad nobody ever listens to me. Oh well. ;)

The usual INTJ lament applies. We'll always be here to take over and clean up the mess once the "normals" screw things up and get in over their heads. Born to it, dahlings.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
So let me get this straight....

We need to get rid of cows because they fart too much

So let's bring back huge Mammoths that'll make even bigger farts???
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Most methane comes from decaying debris. Termites are second. Cows are apparently way down the list. Kill off all the mammals you like, you still won't come near stopping the methane. And then there's the seeps.
 

Bumblepuff

Veteran Member
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Woolly mammoths were hunted by primitive tribes who tracked them down by methane crystals
embedded in their dung. After hunting and killing one of these mammals for meat to eat, they
would frequently ignite fires with pieces of dung because the methane crystals would burn hot.
However, too much dung dumped onto an already roaring fire would cause enormous explosions.
This is why anthropologists occasionally find human bones scattered randomly near cooking sites.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Most methane comes from decaying debris. Termites are second. Cows are apparently way down the list. Kill off all the mammals you like, you still won't come near stopping the methane. And then there's the seeps.

And isn't this were the sudden uptick in methane has been coming from, most of which is in Russia.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The "culture thing" is one reason I hope that if any lab actually manages this (and a good idea or not they are going to try I'm sure) that they implant the first embryos in modern elephant females already living in an established group in a wildlife park or other natural area.

My concern is that any lab/government etc that tries to pull this off will move the young ones way too early to the colder environment where the modern elephants would not be able to survive; in reality, it takes many years (just like humans) for elephants to mature and grow up properly.

I mean we are talking about "animals" that perform rituals for their dead and may return year after year to do so, that level of intelligence is dang near human and may be human.

One thing African game parks learned to their great distress was that if they culled the older elephants (mostly the old females) a few years later they ended up with entire herds of "rouge" essentially juvenal delinquent males who rampaged about destroying feeding grounds and were a danger to themselves and others.

Without the older females and bulls about to keep the youngin's in line, things were grim and they didn't always learn any better as they got older.

That was kind of the first "hint" that elephants have a real culture that has to be passed down or it just goes away until something new comes about to replace it.

Mammoths were much larger than modern elephants and probably at least as long-lived (50 years is not uncommon), once adults they pretty much had no natural predators as long as they were healthy until humans came along with spears and fire to run them off of cliffs.

I don't even think the Russians want Mammoth versions of street gangs even in the remotest corners of Siberia but that is likely what they would get if they don't let modern elephant Mommas raise the babies to maturity.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
The "culture thing" is one reason I hope that if any lab actually manages this (and a good idea or not they are going to try I'm sure) that they implant the first embryos in modern elephant females already living in an established group in a wildlife park or other natural area.

My concern is that any lab/government etc that tries to pull this off will move the young ones way too early to the colder environment where the modern elephants would not be able to survive; in reality, it takes many years (just like humans) for elephants to mature and grow up properly.

I mean we are talking about "animals" that perform rituals for their dead and may return year after year to do so, that level of intelligence is dang near human and may be human.

One thing African game parks learned to their great distress was that if they culled the older elephants (mostly the old females) a few years later they ended up with entire herds of "rouge" essentially juvenal delinquent males who rampaged about destroying feeding grounds and were a danger to themselves and others.

Without the older females and bulls about to keep the youngin's in line, things were grim and they didn't always learn any better as they got older.

That was kind of the first "hint" that elephants have a real culture that has to be passed down or it just goes away until something new comes about to replace it.

Mammoths were much larger than modern elephants and probably at least as long-lived (50 years is not uncommon), once adults they pretty much had no natural predators as long as they were healthy until humans came along with spears and fire to run them off of cliffs.

I don't even think the Russians want Mammoth versions of street gangs even in the remotest corners of Siberia but that is likely what they would get if they don't let modern elephant Mommas raise the babies to maturity.

This, exactly, is my main argument against re-creating mammoths.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
There are many other extinct very large animals and reptiles even from the relative recent past, e.g. sabre toothed tigers etc. They went extinct for a reason, i.e changing Earth conditions could no longer support such species.

Anyway like Jurassic park these species should not be recreated by man for mere zoological purposes or curiosity, why stop with Mammoths......
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
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Woolly mammoths can be trained to control unruly crowds of angry apes, push snow
plows when machines have malfunctioned, remove heavy snows from rooftops, carry
logs to remote cabins to keep family fireplaces heated, and rescue kittens from trees.
In dire emergencies, they provide fur coats, hides for shelter, and tasty steaks to eat.

Actually yes they could be useful, so long as they don't become unruly themselves and take over..........
 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
Does anyone else but me see the irony of the scientists injecting mammoth stuffs into mousey stuffs???

Did ya see what I did there?
 

Bumblepuff

Veteran Member




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............................................................................You can lead a moose to mousse, but you can't make it drink.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I wonder how Yuka died?

I wonder if they "wake up" Yuka's cells they may also wake up some 28,000 year old disease that may have killed her.

I wonder if such a disease could kill off mankind?

Maybe I shouldn't wonder about such things.

Yes, those are all appropriate concerns !!!

I fear that someday some of these scientific " geniuses " playing god are going to unleash hell on earth !!
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Go ahead Japenese scientists just as long as you keep it on the island. King Kong will take a back seat as the new movie "Wooly Mammoth Stomps Tokyo" filmed live on location. I can't wait for the movie and the out of sync translation.
 
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