SCI Scientists stunned to find the surprising reason why the massive Ichthyosaur died out

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Scientists stunned to find the surprising reason why the massive Ichthyosaur died out

Mar 10, 2016 by Eric Brown — Comments


The strange truth about what really caused this massive underwater creature to die out 90 million years ago.

Scientists have been speculating on the extinction of dinosaurs and their contemporaries for centuries. While researchers cling to solid theories—an asteroid striking the planet 65 million years ago—mysteries are floating around regarding a few species that have eluded dogma, such as the ichthyosaur, according to a University of Oxford statement.

The ichthyosaur existed 150 million years ago, a dolphin-like reptile spanning the early Triassic period stretching to the late Cretaceous. But it disappeared roughly 90 million years ago, long before the asteroid-driven theory took place. Scientists have a multitude of explanations at hand, but scant evidence to support them.

But a consortium of scientists believes they’ve discovered new insight onto the ichthyosaur’s extinction. Published in the journal Nature Communications, their observations reveal that climactic change transitioning through the late Cretaceous period is the probable cause.

Scientists raked through museum collections and various literature of the ichthyosaur and compiled comprehensive and updated information on the animal’s contemporaries. They then conducted a nuanced examination that investigated the links between all the various species that evolved over the same period.

Generally, they found that the ancient creature went through two mass extinctions, one that wiped-out great numbers during the Cretaceous period and a second event several million years later that finished it off. Observations trace to climate variations during the first extinction through fossil records. A great environmental change around that time created fluctuations in temperature causing corollary chemical changes such as the amount of oxygen and carbon dioxide in the water.
 

Dozdoats

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Many organisms are adapted to a remarkably narrow range of environmental conditions. Move the limits of those conditions outside the boundary of what the organism is adapted to faster than the organism can evolve to meet the new conditions and poof - no more organism.
 

Pinecone

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Wow, man is so powerful that he can cause climate change while still "protohuman." Must have been all those cooking fires. Or is it the living fossils like crocodiles and horseshoe crabs that are now causing "climate change?":D
 

fishdawg

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Wow, man is so powerful that he can cause climate change while still "protohuman." Must have been all those cooking fires. Or is it the living fossils like crocodiles and horseshoe crabs that are now causing "climate change?":D

The DOJ is not happy about your post. Expect a visit...
 

BadMedicine

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Wow, man is so powerful that he can cause climate change while still "protohuman." Must have been all those cooking fires. Or is it the living fossils like crocodiles and horseshoe crabs that are now causing "climate change?":D

what scientists call "proto-humans" began with lucy about 3.2 million years ago. At the time of the massive extinction 65 m years ago, human "ancestors" were a small tree climbing shrew-like animal. ;)
 

Pinecone

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Thanks for the correction, BadMedicine. I knew men didn't yet walk or exist as we would recognize them, but had no idea how far down the line we were at the time. I always wanted to put a swath of paper along the walls of one room, and make an evolutionary/historical chart to put things in perspective.
 

mistaken1

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It's obvious these tree-climbing ancestors destroyed the rain forests with their sharp tree-climbing claws leading directly to climate change that caused the extinction of the noble Ichthyosaur.
 

L.A.B.

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what scientists call "proto-humans" began with lucy about 3.2 million years ago. At the time of the massive extinction 65 m years ago, human "ancestors" were a small tree climbing shrew-like animal. ;)

Hey, its not evolution if we can't shrewdly climb that tree of knowledge without partaking of the fruit. That opposing thumb can turn any page it wants with free will, or thumb or pick a nose for that matter.

Who's up for a climb?
 
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Pinecone

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Boy, do I feel stupid today. I reread what I posted. I have no idea where the "cooking fires" came from because I know man did not exist with the dinosaurs. Must be the climate change affecting my brain. Or my favorite excuse - having kids fried too many brain cells. :D
 

MetalMan

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Before I read the article I knew the reason.

Climate change... If only they had cap & trade this wouldn't have happened.
 

Marie

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I think they have NO IDEA what happened, nor will they ever! Just making up stories as they go
 

LightEcho

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what scientists call "proto-humans" began with lucy about 3.2 million years ago. At the time of the massive extinction 65 m years ago, human "ancestors" were a small tree climbing shrew-like animal. ;)

LOL... 65 million years ago, huh? There wasn't even a 1 million years ago. But don't let me interrupt your fantasy.
 

Richard

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We still have some shrew-like animals, and a few post here.

Don't knock shrews they have their uses, like getting rid of big dinosaurs, no-one knows exactly how...

Didn't Lucy have a mate or parents or was she the lone progenitor of the human race......
 

China Connection

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The PRIMAL SLIME got sick of seeing its kids evolve into all the nasty big things about and decided to have no sex for a while and cut out the base of the food chain. The first thing to go was a massive reduction of the big shits about the place as the little shits reduced in numbers. So the big shits starved to death.

Due to my education I can legally make such a claim and make noise like my educated brothers and sisters.
 

China Connection

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So as you can read slime, feeds the krill that feeds the Whales




What Do Blue Whales Eat? - Whale Facts

www.whalefacts.org/what-do-blue-whales-eat/
It is typically only during the night that blue whales will feed on krill near the ... While their diet consists mainly of tiny phytoplankton and some zooplankton these .



Australian Fish Farmer: A Practical Guide to Aquaculture
https://books.google.com.au/books?isbn=0643098569
John Mosig, ‎Ric Fallu - 2004 - ‎Science
Quite a few stock species are stimulated to feed by the presence of live ... As larvae get larger still, they can be fed on larger food such as brine shrimp larvae. ... these species graze on bio-films (sometimes less charitably referred to as slime).
 

Millwright

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The SUV that killed the dinosaurs.


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Dennis Olson

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There are people (I personally think they're looney) who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, because they believe one of God's years was equal to one human/Earth year. (That's why I think they're looney.)
 

Jimbopithecus

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Google the Osmium Iridium Layer seperating the Cretaceous from the Tertiary and meteorite impact. But what do I know I'm just an aggregates geologist?
 
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michaelteever

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There are people (I personally think they're looney) who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, because they believe one of God's years was equal to one human/Earth year. (That's why I think they're looney.)

I think you meant one of God's days to one (or more) of human years, at the least, possibly centuries or millennia for our days.

Somehow that make me looney too. As a matter of fact, I think I read that many years ago here on TB2K, and to me it made sense. It accounts for many of the mysteries surrounding the Bible regarding the seven days of creation.

If anyone remembers that particular article, I wouldn't mind re-reading it.

Michael

Although I totally agree that 6000 years is a fallacy, when indisputable evidence suggests otherwise.
 

Pinecone

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Plesiosaurs!

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/a-plesiosaur-that-ate-ichthyosaurs-for-lunch-60149399/

A Plesiosaur That Ate Ichthyosaurs for Lunch

Finding an articulated fossil skeleton is always a delight for paleontologists. Not only do such specimens illustrate how all those bones went together, but sometimes there are little associated bonuses that could not be seen if the skeleton had been scattered. In the case of a 161- to 155-million-...

By Brian Switek
smithsonian.com
December 28, 2009


The vertebrae of an embryonic ichthyosaur preserved in the stomach of a plesiosaur. From the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology paper.


Finding an articulated fossil skeleton is always a delight for paleontologists. Not only do such specimens illustrate how all those bones went together, but sometimes there are little associated bonuses that could not be seen if the skeleton had been scattered. In the case of a 161- to 155-million-year-old plesiosaur recently discovered in Wyoming, the marine reptile died with its last meal preserved in its stomach.

Today Wyoming is far removed from the sea, but during the Late Jurassic a body of water called the "Sundance Sea" covered what is now the "Equality State." Numerous marine reptiles swam in those waters, including plesiosaurs and ichthyosaurs. When these reptiles were first found, they were often depicted as locked in mortal combat, two sea dragons that were destined to duel, but evidence of such awesome battles has not been found. What has now been recovered, however, is the skeleton of a plesiosaur similar to Pantosaurus striatus with the partially digested remains of a baby ichthyosaur inside.

As reported in the latest issue of the Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology, among the preserved stomach contents of the partially-complete plesiosaur skeleton there were a series of small, ring-shaped bones. At first the researchers did not know what they were, but they eventually recognized the vertebrae of a prenatal ichthyosaur (which was confirmed by the discovery of a jaw fragment from the same animal). This was very strange. Typically ichthyosaurs at so early a stage of development are found inside or in association with their mothers. What was it doing in the belly of a plesiosaur?

Exceptionally-preserved ichthyosaurs from Holzmaden, Germany might hold the answer. Some ichthyosaurs of the genus Stenopterygius have been found there with baby ichthyosaurs sticking out of what would have been their mother's body cavity. It looks like the mother ichthyosaurs were preserved in the act of giving birth, but a more likely explanation is that the babies were being expelled from the body when the mother was either dead or dying. The babies might have been pushed out during the stress of death or the buildup of gases inside their mother's body might have forced them out after death, and these babies would have been easy meals for predators that were passing by. The plesiosaur that was the subject of the new research probably scooped up the embryonic ichthyosaur after its mother had expelled it; there was probably no titanic battle like the one envisioned in Journey to the Center of the Earth.

No doubt some will find this disappointing, but it is still a significant find. This is the first time ichthyosaur remains have been found inside a plesioaur. And even though it might be difficult to full reconstruct the chain of events as they occurred this new find provides us with a little window into life and death among marine reptiles during the ancient past.
 

Border Guns

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Isn't there a place in Texas where there are human foot prints right along with dino foot prints in some river bed?? I remember seeing the pictures some place. So supposedly man did exist at the same time as dino's did.
 

TerryK

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That is a very good source for those with questions about evolution.


On another note, according to Genesis god created plants before he made the sun, and the whole previous 6 days of work tired an all powerful god so much that he had to rest the whole 7th day. :shk:
Seriously, just accept the biblical story of creation for what it is, an old Jewish myth that came from even older Mesopotamian myths.
 

LightEcho

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That is a very good source for those with questions about evolution.


On another note, according to Genesis god created plants before he made the sun, and the whole previous 6 days of work tired an all powerful god so much that he had to rest the whole 7th day. :shk:
Seriously, just accept the biblical story of creation for what it is, an old Jewish myth that came from even older Mesopotamian myths.

He did not tire. Rested?

H7673
שׁבת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.


It established a pattern for those made in Their (Elohim) image. The 7th day is for rest, worship of God, rejuvenation, ceasing to labor, leaving the effort. It is a pattern that holds true for mankind. Without it, we would have a never-ending work cycle that would not give us repose to look up.
 
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