SCI Scientists find evidence of organic molecules on Mars

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Scientists find evidence of organic molecules on Mars
Updated / Thursday, 7 Jun 2018 19:01

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Scientists say they have found definitive evidence of the existence of organic molecules on Mars

By Will Goodbody
Science & Technology Correspondent

Scientists say they have found definitive evidence of the existence of organic molecules on Mars, in a breakthrough that will increase speculation that there was once or is currently life on the red planet.

A separate group of researchers have also conclusively detected methane in the martian atmosphere, the levels of which rise and fall with seasons.

However, in neither case are the teams claiming that their results prove there is or may have been at one time life on Mars.

The discovery of organic molecules was made using the Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover.

It drilled samples in the Gale Crater area of the planet in a 3.5 billion-year-old formation at Pahrump Hills where it is thought a 100km wide lake once stood.

It then heated the soil to high temperatures, before analysing the gases emitted.

A number of organic based compounds were detected by the instrument.

Before now limited organic compounds had been identified at the Sheepbed mudstone site in the crater.

But these measurements were hampered by the presence of salts which broke down when heated, reacting with the organic molecules during testing.

The discovery does not necessarily mean there is or was once life on Mars. The organic molecules could have been formed by physical processes or may have been transported to Mars by a comet, meteor or asteroid.

However, because the samples were taken from an area where water was once present, scientists think it may point to the one time presence of life.

"We have the ingredients of what we hypothesise to be the formation of life," said Kevin Nolan, lecturer in physics at IT Tallaght.

"Organic material and water with a neutral acidity. So we now know Mars was habitable and we now know all the ingredients for life were there...and this is what we were looking for for a long time," said Mr Nolan.

In a separate paper another team of researchers outline how they definitively detected methane in the martian atmosphere.

Again using SAM, the scientists monitored levels over five years and found not only a stable methane background, but also local seasonal peaks.

The gas, which can be a sign of life, may have been released from a large subsurface reservoir, but neither the source of the methane or what caused its release is understood yet.

Methane can be produced by geology, but sometimes those geological processes can provide a suitable environment for life to emerge.

"If methane was detected there it was generated quite recently," said Mr Nolan.

"The two known processes we know that generate methane are volcanic hydrothermal activity or metabolic activity from life. So either of those scenarios is very good from the prospect again of considering the habitability of Mars."

The discovery is likely to spur on further investigations into the likelihood that organisms once lived or live now on the red planet.

"It basically adds to a picture of a planet that was dynamic and ever changing in its early history in ways similar to Earth and has remained as a dynamic and non-dormant world albeit in a lower level to Earth," said Mr Nolan.

Both papers are published in the latest edition of the journal Science.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2018/0607/968981-mars-molecule-discovery/
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
The discovery does not necessarily mean there is or was once life on Mars. The organic molecules could have been formed by physical processes or may have been transported to Mars by a comet, meteor or asteroid.

This is the bottom line, life could have been formed on Mars or any other body in the solar system.......

Anyway the fact is that life does not exist maybe apart from microbes on Mars nowadays.........
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Life on Mars of any sort would not surprise me nor shake my beliefs. The point is they have found organic chemicals on the surface of Mars. Organic chemicals is not life on Mars. But you could apply for a grant to study Martian Organic Chemistry and might do reasonable well.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
There have been some hints that there might be primitive or low-level plant life, that hasn't been proven either but there is vegetation that can live at some pretty extreme climates on land or underwater on Earth.

You are totally correct that this hasn't been proven yet, but both the methane and the organic molecules suggest that low-level life is totally possible and may vary with the seasons.

I don't understand why they just don't send a probe with modern technology that can just pick up a hunk of mud and check it, but then I'm not a scientist just a very interested lay-person.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
The discovery does not necessarily mean there is or was once life on Mars. The organic molecules could have been formed by physical processes or may have been transported to Mars by a comet, meteor or asteroid.

This is the bottom line, life could have been formed on Mars or any other body in the solar system.......

Anyway the fact is that life does not exist maybe apart from microbes on Mars nowadays.........
"...But these measurements were hampered by the presence of salts which broke down when heated, reacting with the organic molecules during testing."
All manner of organic compounds that came about without an organism making them.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'll bet one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn will have living organisms.........there are a few moons out there in orbit around those two frozen gas giants who have water that under the surface of ice is heated from the gravitation pull on those moons from their gas giant planets that create enough friction for heat vents (which we now know on earth allows life to thrive in deep oceans without any sunlight)............and the temperature of those liquid oceans is in the 50 to 80 degree range ideal for most life.........due to the moons core friction from the gravitational pull...........we need to get a probe fly by of Europa and catch some of the water geyser sprays from those oceans out of the ice into the lower atmosphere can capture those samples.............I'll bet we'd find biological organisms..

I wouldn't be surprised if small invertebrates might be swimming around in those oceans right now protected by the ice sheets on top from the radiation from space..
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Have any of the Martian probes found life molecules on Mars yet........

We've sent probes everywhere, have we found life yet in the solar system.......

Judging by the conditions on most planets and moons it is unlikely that anything other than microscopic life can be found in the solar system.

Since we are on the subject let's put to rest the possibility of founding human or even robotic settlements on any solar system planet or moon........ it won't ever happen.................
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Richard it is a known fact that no intelligent life exist in our Solar System. There is speculation about the third planet from the sun but as yet unconfirmed.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Richard it is a known fact that no intelligent life exist in our Solar System. There is speculation about the third planet from the sun but as yet unconfirmed.

There could be microbes but that is about it, no other planet apart from Earth can sustain life in its abundance........
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Well, if you like that sort of thing:

Death on Mars, The Discovery of a Planetary Nuclear Massacre, John E. Brandenburg, Ph.D.

Good book.
Worth a read.
No, it isn't woo.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Prove it.

Prove what? That life is tenacious?
On this planet it exists in the coldest temps, the hottest temps, the darkest places, the deepest places, the driest places, the wettest places, and places with no oxygen. I'd say that's pretty tenacious.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
FWIW, Brandenberg's book has a NASA photo of possible microfossils (p. 192). They look like segmented worms.
 
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