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Satan and Satanism: 'Enquiring minds' (don't) want to know

  • I believe you have overstated the reach of the satanists

    Votes: 14 18.2%
  • I believe Christians need to take a second look at the signs around them

    Votes: 56 72.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 9.1%

  • Total voters
    77

milkydoo

Inactive
It's all coming true, in one form or fashion or the other. I believe there is a portion of truth everywhere you look, including the Bible. I believe in E.T.'s, and advanced technology. I at least believe in satanism, and a version of Satan and his demons, although I might use different labels, but the game is the same.

I grew up in a Judeo-Christian church, and left at about age 20. But I've never stopped believing, in some fashion. And it's amazing to watch the prophecies come together. And after having listened to 16 years of alternative radio, where subjects such as satanism are seriously discussed, it has really come home to roost, watching the 'Christian masses' going to and fro, not recognizing the satanic symbols, imagery, patterns, beliefs and systems surrounding them everyday.

Satanism used to be a real thing. It used to be a serious thing. But he has become another Santa Claus. Good for some yawner-stories from the pulpit, right before you stuff your face at yet another pot luck and have to borrow your spouses pen to poke a new hole in your belt.

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(sitting in the pew, for the umpteenth time, wondering if the coffee pot is gonna run out before you can get to it, thinking to yourself...) "Yeah, yeah, Satan is bad, yeah, yeah, doesn't like Jesus, big war coming, yeah, yeah (looks at watch), demons, yada yada, beezle sumthin, magoga-whatta, don't be deceived, pray twice a day, toss a buck in the plate, oh boy, I hope he let's us go early today 'cause traffic with the game and all, geezuz..."

Or maybe you do take it more seriously, but the satanic stuff has been floating by you, because, well, who wants to talk about that, I mean, "yeah, scriptures, yeah, he's the bad guy, (yawn), I mean, what do you want from me? I pray, I volunteer, I study the bible, I believe, I've been baptized. I've got my ticket to the show upstairs, so what are you givin' me grief for?"

I can't see in another person's heart. But I can read words, listen to speech and observe actions. What I have seen in this world are a mass of Christians who are being taken for a ride. I remember the bible predicting this, but I can't recall the scriptures now. Many of the believers will be deceived.

Why will they be deceived? Simply put, they won't be able to recognize the signs of Satan and his ways, and if you cannot recognize the signs of darkness, you will not recognize the Light either.

Satan (or satanists), have blurred the lines. They have co-opted Christianity in some ways, watered it down in others, reinterpreted it to suit their agendas, and quite literally, supplanted Christian ideals with satanic ones, tit for tat, and so brazenly that it can shock you out of your seat.....if you haven't already succumb to it.

How much of the bible do you believe? I certainly wouldn't suggest that it is all true, or that it should all be taken literally. It's a personal choice, what to believe, how much to take seriously, how to interpret it.

But I am speaking to those that still believe in Satan, and/or satanism. Satanism is the practical implementation of Satan's agenda. Satanism is what we experience in the physical world.

Satanism is a religion. A dark one. It has actual, bona fide, dark magic power. The real deal. It's in the scriptures, if you choose to believe them. This religion relies heavily on symbology, numerology, geometry and ritual. These are their tools, and their form of communication. They are inseparable.

If one is to tell the difference between the dark and the light, you must have a basic familiarity with the dark tools, so that you can recognize them when they are displayed in plain sight. Because when they are displayed, it is a territorial mark, as in, 'the darkness has been here, and reigns here'.

These things in life that have been taken by the dark forces, must either be avoided, or overturned. Participation in the dark system is a definite no-no. But you must be able to recognize the signs.

I see many who cannot recognize them, or relabel them as something harmless. Again, for those who believe, there is either Christianity, and the way of the Light, or satanism and the way of the dark. I've seen many who create sub groups in the in-between, make believing that they are detached from either one, but these are illusions; there is no detachment.

Satanic tools and symbols abound. They are infested every where, but most either do not see, or perhaps just give a "wow", or a sarcastic groan, and then move on.

We live in a world built completely on satanic principals, save for a few Light spots here and there. You don't get a world like that without Satan's minions leaving their tracks and marks everywhere they go. And they do. But few stop to look.

I know this can be boring, tiring. It's so much easier just to keep doing what you've been doing. But that is what the dark side wants. Believe, but don't question. Look, but don't stare. Think, but fall in line.

If you've just been going through the motions; doing what's expected of you, maybe it's time to start digging a little deeper; asking new questions, and questioning everything and everyone that you put your support behind in this life.

Before everything that you do, ask yourself: Would Jesus do it? Before every justification and rationale, ask yourself: Would Jesus say this?

I see the merits of satanism, upheld by 'Christians' every day. I hear the laughing and the mocking. I see the cynicism, the sarcasm, the disbelief. I see people who only see Satan when they spy a Democrat.

I see people who are lost, with empty spirits, and pharisaical, analytical minds, calculating their way to heaven with the best spiritual calculator that stock options can buy.

Now is the time.....now, or never.....to put the calculator away, and reassess your place in this world. Reassess your surroundings and the people that you surround yourself with, and the systems that you support.

Would Jesus walk in your shoes....more or less? Forget about perfection..........are you following in his footsteps the best that you can. ..........or are you still laughing?

Do not approach this fearfully. How many times did the bible say, "do not fear", but yet, what do we hear, and what is the tint to so many posts here. Fear. Do not fear. Fear is a tool of satanism. They spread it, and it weakens our hearts. You can be awake, and aware, and fearing nothing.
 
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ltd

Higher Ground
milkydoo,

interesting thread topic! .. and I agree with what you've written.

.. as I wrote to the pastor of a mega-church recently, "it's apparent that today's christian leaders are nothing more than professional christians practicing corporate christianity" ... just look at the Joel Osteen's and watch the flock swoon over his "message", it's nauseating! ... blind guides all!

People like David Icke have done more to expose the network of evil running amok than anyone in the religious community, and he gets mocked and slandered ...

is it any wonder that evil is overtaking the planet? It has NO adversary!
.. I'll stop now!
 

milkydoo

Inactive
milkydoo,

interesting thread topic! .. and I agree with what you've written.

.. as I wrote to the pastor of a mega-church recently, "it's apparent that today's christian leaders are nothing more than professional christians practicing corporate christianity" ... just look at the Joel Osteen's and watch the flock swoon over his "message", it's nauseating! ... blind guides all!

People like David Icke have done more to expose the network of evil running amok than anyone in the religious community, and he gets mocked and slandered ...

is it any wonder that evil is overtaking the planet? It has NO adversary!
.. I'll stop now!

David Icke is one of my favorites. I'm presently reading his book, "Guide to the Global Conspiracy". It is astonishing the history, mythology and archeology that he has pieced together.
 

Kable

Contributing Member
excellent post! Instead of shouting Wake Up America, we need to shout wake up "Christians". Check out 2 Tim 3:1-5 for the description of the "falling away"... Think you were looking for 2 Thes 2:3 though, "King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come the falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

I've always thought that Judgement will come to those who carry His name first... and that the times that come are to wake us up first, before He deals with the world... JMHO... Still, great post and reflection Milky, and you're not alone.. I'm seeing more and more who are waking up to this... being "called out of her" so-to-speak... but that takes me to the other scripture that says "come out of her my people"... Wow... this is just a reaffirmation of what I've been seeing and saying... thank you!
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank You milkydoo.

So many Christian practices that were common place in our grandparents day started easing off in our parents day and in our day it lost it's meaning and importance.

Growing up we had Bible reading and prayer time daily. Sometimes there was family prayer several times a day depending on the situation at hand. Families no longer pray together. Today there is no Bible reading and prayer time in the majority of homes.

At Christmas, the Christmas story was read before any gifts were opened. I dare say 99.9% of children under 6 can not tell the Christmas story but they can mimic Lady Gaga.

As far as satanism, you are correct that it is in every aspect of our daily life. Whether it is just ignored. not believed or not even known, I don't know.

When satan/evil is ignored instead of rebuked it just leaves the door open.

My grandparents didn't need to 'have a basic familiarity with the dark tools' they knew instinctively because the Holy Spirit worked in their lives and alerted them. I feel so honored to get a nudging from the Holy Spirit. I wish my life were more so that the nudging was always there. Sadly, I fall short and find myself needing to 'have a basic familiarity with the dark tools' to understand life today.

We have been told in the latter days evil will abound. We have also been told if we fall on our knees and humble ourselves our nation would be healed. We, believing and practicing Christians did not do this collectively and we are reaping the rewards of disobedience.

The mega churches that started in the late 50's and grew offered a watered down gospel that was readily excepted by the lazy 'Christian'. I know I'll get a lot of flack, but the 'once saved always saved' message gave people the right to block out the real Gospel for the feel good gospel.

Satan got a real foothold in the churches and it grows daily. We see that with Joel Osteen and his relationship with the evil Obama group. People see that and think if a man of god praises O it must be good. Being deceived they can not see that it has nothing to do with God and a whole bunch to do with Satan instead.

We are truly living in evil times.
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
I truly believe the God pulled us away from mainstream years ago when he moved us up here to the mt's. I also believe he opened our eyes to the evil that abounds everywhere.
DH and I talk about it daily and note when "they" make some big move and get away with it.

Our gov and the corporate world is run by evil people. You see it if you sit back and are not participating in it. I think it's harder when you live in big cities and are deluged daily by all the commercialisms.

We don't do Christmas once a year, we give praise to God for his son daily. After all, Jesus was not even born in Dec but people have been told that for years so they just take it for granted.
Then you have all the trappings that have been put out there to celebrate with. Most of it came from pagan things done during the dark times of the world. Trees and all that stuff were taken from pagan holidays then reworked to make them Christian.

Beware, Satan is out there and pushing his agenda and most are dazzled by his magic stuff and being taken for a ride.

The more evil stuff is pushed thru quietly when we are sleeping. We wake up to more and more legislation taking our God given freedoms away.

If you think that most of our leaders are Christian you are wrong. A TRUE Christian would not be a part of this play for power.

Ok, I am rambling but the scope of evil is so large, it boggles our minds sometimes.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Good post, Milky. My contribution will be to say that organized religion and what they do should not concern you. What concerns us all is The Truth. And that we all have inside of us as we love God Within ourselves. I personally do not accept the Revelation version of the end in the Bible, opting for John's Second Letter instead, which means somehow we all manage to overthrow the evil empire. It's all to do with love and finding a way to do it. I think people like the Occupys have shown us a way of getting together, but I don't believe that movement will be the ones to actually do it. That would be all of us together, but how we want that to happen, I don't know yet. I only believe we do. Believe what you want, however, but it's what I believe. God LOVES us. God wants us to be HAPPY. We will get there.

:)
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
How can you 'not accept the Revelation version of the end in the Bible'? It is unfolding right before our eyes.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
How can you 'not accept the Revelation version of the end in the Bible'? It is unfolding right before our eyes.

It does appear to be the case. But it's not too late to stop it. People are waking up even faster now, and things can change. I believe the Bible does give us a free-will choice. So I choose the Second Letter of John. If people do not WANT to have that be the true version, then Revelation will happen. If people choose the Letter, and ponder on that, it's going to be the version that wins. Like I said, it's what I personally choose as a free-will child of God. Choose what you want though. It's like the old song says, "Yes, there ARE two paths you can go by but in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on...." You see, "RELIGION" has told people all this time that the world ends in disaster, but that's not the happy ending, not really, so many people would have to die and the earth almost obliterated. Be a free-will person, don't let RELIGION tell you.

:)
 

Mongo

Veteran Member
Jesus/Yahshua is real.
Satan is real.
And in my somewhat informed (and likely unpopular) opinion, most Christians are lost and do not realize it.

Y'all might want to read "Pagan Christianity".

Patterns....God always preserves a remnant. But it is always small.
The end times are just around the corner...(in my opinion)
There will be a remnant - you know that. Most of you have read how this all turns out.
But the Remnant will be small
The Remnant will be those who not only have the testimony of Jesus Christ but who also keep the commandments of God. Rev 12:17
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Jesus made it very apparent that “the world knew him not and that it hated him”…………he explained a separation of our priorities from the world……….yes, we are in the world but not to be of the world.
We are to be savvy of the world and its ways but not succumb to them.
Consider that the scriptures refer to Satan as the prince and controller of this world in its current fallen state. We should be aware and resist such worldly temptations that lead to all the evils we see today.
Sometimes, I feel that Christians are not aware of how deep the influence of evil is within the world and in some cases actually get caught up within such worldly things. Christians should really make attempts to understand how evil works in the world and its impact on society.
Ignorance is definitely not bliss in regards to this subject for those who are supposed to be the light of the world.
It would be impossible to understand and live the words of Christ if we do not acknowledge evil, sin and its consequences such as often exercised by self-help preaching.
My feeling is that this subject is difficult for Christians because it confronts them with the seriousness of their commitment to Christ in a time where modern society has so many temptations to divert us from a fulfilled life.
Too often mega churches are required to prioritize maximum attendance and its resulting cash flow due to the overhead monster they have created. This environment compromises the truth of God’s word. Ironically many of them point to the fact that their huge attendance is a sign they are being blessed by when in fact Jesus told us the path is narrow and few will find it……..
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have worked a case where I could tell the bad guy was possessed. When in criminal mode his demeanor would change, his voice, expression, and mannerisms would change. He would give off a "chilling" vibe and he curse the lord, chrisitians in his family and the preacher his mom would bring to the house. His eye would go dead and turn like dark empty sockets. I am not making this up or going orver the top. Of course my fellow officers laughed when I brought it up they thoiught he was crazy, but I was the guy who thye sent to all the crazy calls because I spoke crazy. I believe in evil manifesting itself in the physical world as well as the spiritaul world, and I beleive there is a constant war between the two in both relams. I also believe most are blinded to it and that those that see it can see it by degrees some can recognize it goes on,and some see the evil and are actual warriors in the battles.

I also while a little rough around the edges am a Christian I just don't wear my christianity like a tux.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I believe in evil manifesting itself in the physical world as well as the spiritaul world, and I beleive there is a constant war between the two in both relams. I also believe most are blinded to it and that those that see it can see it by degrees some can recognize it goes on,and some see the evil and are actual warriors in the battles.

Absolutely without a doubt!
 

nanajo

Veteran Member
Thank you for this thread Milkydoo. I don't say too much any more but I'am here everyday. A good research book is Fossilized Customs by Lew White. Can be ordered on-line at www.torahzone.net. I have passed them out to family and friends and of course now have the nick name "the grim reaper". Have a wonderful day. nana
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
For still our ancient foe
doth seek to work us woe
his craft and power are great
and armed with cruel hate
on earth is not his equal.

("But God...")

The prince of darkness grim
we tremble not for him
his rage we can endure
for lo, his doom is sure
one little Word shall fell him...
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
A timely thread millkydoo, and I agree with a lot of what you said.

I believe that the entire Bible is factual and true, down to the dotted i's and spaces between the words and letters. I also believe Revelation is not an option, it is a "Revelation" of what is to come and any person who thinks mere mortal man can change that prophecy and make things right is fooling themselves-that is God's job and the End Times are the Time of Jacob's (Israel's) Trouble, it is for the Jews to come to Christ ultimately. It's non-negotiable.

Satan is alive and well and prospering on the earth. His influence on the earth has been one of my interests, as have been some of the people who claim to fight him. Russ Dizdar (www.shatterthedarkness.com) is one such person though I'm not entirely sold on him, I need to do more research but his talk dovetails with a lot of what I've learned. http://vigilantcitizen.com/ is another site that has some really good information on Illuminati (at their core, satanists whether they know it or not, though I believe they are card carrying members of satan's party), there are many sites that go into the evils of the elite. Satan's meddling is well hidden and subtle, remember he is the father of lies and exceptionally good at it, and the Bible speaks of the deception at the End Times era "Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." This is so important that it is repeated nearly verbatim in Matthew.

Look at what has happened in our own nation since God was removed from schools 50 years ago, and see what God did to Madelyn Murry O'Haire (spelling), the one generally responsible for throwing Him out. I think about the incredible evil recently posted on a thread about 4 black men torturing and killing two white people back east in 2009 and at it's root it's satanistic.

I believe in UFO's but do not believe in aliens. I believe UFO's are demonic technology and that most of them are ours, some I think are demons themselves arriving to earth preparing for what is to come.

This should prove to be a really interesting thread, the replies are already a good read.
 

sopo

Senior Member
Milkydoo, you hit the nail straight on the head. Would love permission to share this (w/ credit to you of course). My husband was a satanist when I met him. Sweetest, most kind, lovable man you could meet. But was used by Satan for not good. Had been since a child and was trapped and didn't know how to get out. Satan is so deceiving. He uses the things and people that are the least evil looking. People think... aw, that's not bad therefore it must be good. Such as Twilight, Harry Potter, Rock concerts. Yes, after 30+ years of him in it, I know all the tricks. I see it all around me in my 'Christian' friends. They are very deceived. I pray every day God opens their eyes to it.

As to Revelation not being the end of the Bible and the one above 'choosing' to end the Bible where she wants, another deception. You can pick and choose but the entire Bible is the Word of God. It says right in it not to add to or take anything from it. God does not want you to be fluffy and happy. He wants you to choose good over evil. No where in it does it say He's going to make your life a candyland. You go through fire and trials to purify you like fine gold. He wants a purified, true, loyal people. No matter how much you pick and choose, you will not change the prophecy of what will happen in the scriptures. It is God's Word. God cannot lie. You can only choose where you spend eternity by the choices you make in this life.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
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1986 the "official" start of the ecumenical/one world religion movement

http://saintsagainsttyranny.com/Vatican verses the World.htm
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
Jesus/Yahshua is real.
Satan is real.
And in my somewhat informed (and likely unpopular) opinion, most Christians are lost and do not realize it.

Y'all might want to read "Pagan Christianity".

Patterns....God always preserves a remnant. But it is always small.
The end times are just around the corner...(in my opinion)
There will be a remnant - you know that. Most of you have read how this all turns out.
But the Remnant will be small
The Remnant will be those who not only have the testimony of Jesus Christ but who also keep the commandments of God. Rev 12:17

Jesus warned often about being a false Christian. For example, in Mark 7:5-7 Jesus called out the hypocrisy of the pharisees/scribes for walking a different walk than they were talking, and in Matthew 7:22-24 is shockingly blunt about whether being zealous will matter if you're not doing things as God wants.

The road to salvation is cramped and difficult to traverse. It is also hidden to the masses. The road to condemnation, OTOH, is easily seen, wide, spacious, and poses little resistance to movement. The implication there is that if it's easy, you're probably doing it wrong. ;)

The "Pagan Christianity" reference made me chuckle, given the fact that Christmas (the king of pagan pseudo-Christian "holidays") is a few weeks away. :lol:
 

kozanne

Inactive
I have worked a case where I could tell the bad guy was possessed. When in criminal mode his demeanor would change, his voice, expression, and mannerisms would change. He would give off a "chilling" vibe and he curse the lord, chrisitians in his family and the preacher his mom would bring to the house. His eye would go dead and turn like dark empty sockets. I am not making this up or going orver the top. Of course my fellow officers laughed when I brought it up they thoiught he was crazy, but I was the guy who thye sent to all the crazy calls because I spoke crazy. I believe in evil manifesting itself in the physical world as well as the spiritaul world, and I beleive there is a constant war between the two in both relams. I also believe most are blinded to it and that those that see it can see it by degrees some can recognize it goes on,and some see the evil and are actual warriors in the battles.

I also while a little rough around the edges am a Christian I just don't wear my christianity like a tux.

I TOTALLY believe your account, having seen similar myself, except in that case, I was the intended victim. Long story, not gonna tell it here.

As to the rough around the edges, I totally am. When people ask me if I'm a Christian, I usually say "Yes, and I'm one of the real ones, so be afraid, be very afraid....." What passes as Christianity these days is pretty abhorrent. Despite popular opinion, you get to choose who you will serve, not what you want to believe. THAT is the truth.

If you choose God, then you believe ALL God says or you believe none of it and go serve the other master. I was reading the account of Elijah versus the 400 prophets of Baal. Elijah got the nation of Israel together and flat told them, if you're going to serve God then serve God and if you're going to serve Baal, serve Ball. In other words, make your choice people and get on with the way you decided to live.

But if you serve God, you do things HIS way, whether you like how the Book ends or not.
 

brudog

Veteran Member
Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Paine View Post
I believe in evil manifesting itself in the physical world as well as the spiritual world, and I believe there is a constant war between the two in both realms. I also believe most are blinded to it and that those that see it can see it by degrees some can recognize it goes on,and some see the evil and are actual warriors in the battles.
Agree........
 

FairLight

Inactive
Years ago a Pastor warned us, never take Satanism lightly or see it as a joke. It is a dead serious subject.
Never joke about it. Be informed, fight against it in our lives, but never disregard it or make light of it.
See it as the threat it is. Seeing it as a joke, or as something not to take seriously allows it to become common place and edge easier into our lives.
I've never forgotten that.
Thank you Milkydoo, good discussion.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Many years ago, a retiring pastor made the observation: People today want to be entertained. I think that's true, and more so today than 30 years ago. Very few preachers today are expositors of the Bible. But this is not a new thing. When Jesus started to teach the hard things of discipleship, many of his followers stopped following Him. But when He provided healing, deliverance, and free fish sandwiches, there were huge crowds.

Yes, Milkydoo, we really are in a spiritual conflict, and you have made some very good points. I would suggest the book "Handbook For Spiritual Warfare" by Dr. Ed Murphy. It isn't an entertaining book, but is probably the most thorough study of what the Bible reveals about the demonic realm. I highly recommend it.

TP, when you have to deal with demonized persons, if possible have believers with you, and explain the gospel to the afflicted one. There is almost always some area in which the victim may still exercise his will. If he will renounce his involvement and call on Jesus, he can be set free. Sometimes it will take awhile, but if he seriously desires deliverance, he will get it. The main problem is usually some variety of double-mindedness, because the demons hold some kind of pleasure or power out to their victim as bait. It really helps a lot to have someone there who has dealt with this sort of thing previously, otherwise you feel like maybe your are delusional yourself.

And, in such cases, it is extremely helpful to read the demons some selected portions of Scripture. It really annoys them. And there is a great deal of satisfaction in knowing that.

blessings,

GO
 

milkydoo

Inactive
Milkydoo, you hit the nail straight on the head. Would love permission to share this (w/ credit to you of course).
Anyone may copy and distribute this as you see fit, to remind people to take a 2nd look in the mirror.

Thanks for all the responses and kind words. :)
 

RJC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And, in such cases, it is extremely helpful to read the demons some selected portions of Scripture. It really annoys them. And there is a great deal of satisfaction in knowing that.

blessings,

GO
And sometimes they really punish their victims for that. Escaping demonic control of this type requires a real desire on the part of the controlled one, which usually is not sustained.
 

MaureenO

Another Infidel
I spent 8 years on a task force as an instructor to other agencies in recognising ritual child abuse and other ritual crimes based on satanism. We were assigned to instruct other LEO agencies nationwide and do you know the end result of that work was ? The most skittish cops were Hispanic; they were scared to death. If they accepted these crimes DO occur, they are obligated to try and "fix" it.

Most were too frightened therefore they did not accept that ritual crime exists. They were too cowardly or afraid to do their part to fix it.

Maureen :dstrs:
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Yep, no one wants to see it for what it is. Stick it in the too hard to comprehend basket. Most don't want to acknowledge that either Satan or God exist.
 
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Flippper

Time Traveler
And sometimes they really punish their victims for that. Escaping demonic control of this type requires a real desire on the part of the controlled one, which usually is not sustained.

I agree, RJC, be very careful when casting out demons, if the person they inhabit isn't inclined to resist via Christ, they can come back with 7 times more and cause real trouble. I've experienced demonic presences in houses, I'm not sure that they weren't following me though in several houses they behaved differently which is a story in itself. This happened for years and I was too stupid to get rid of them, I was backslidden to a degree so blinded to the truth of what was going on I imagine. I finally had enough as they were getting physical so I cast them out in Jesus name and they've never come back. Once you have their number I guess they realize you'll toss 'em out again so don't bother.
 

ltd

Higher Ground
Yep, no one wants to see it for what it is. Stick it in the too hard to comprehend basket. Most don't want to acknowledge that either Satin or God exist.

.. I KNOW Satin exists, I sleep under it every night! :spns:

I agree, RJC, be very careful when casting out demons, if the person they inhabit isn't inclined to resist via Christ, they can come back with 7 times more and cause real trouble. I've experienced demonic presences in houses, I'm not sure that they weren't following me though in several houses they behaved differently which is a story in itself. This happened for years and I was too stupid to get rid of them, I was backslidden to a degree so blinded to the truth of what was going on I imagine. I finally had enough as they were getting physical so I cast them out in Jesus name and they've never come back. Once you have their number I guess they realize you'll toss 'em out again so don't bother.

I'm surprised that with a hairdew like yours the demons weren't scared sh@%less and leave you alone! :dvl1:


OK, so a little levity to soften the thread ........!
 

Garryowen

Deceased
And sometimes they really punish their victims for that. Escaping demonic control of this type requires a real desire on the part of the controlled one, which usually is not sustained.

Well, one needs to have some indication that the person wants to be free, of course. We can't do much to overcome the individual's desire for whatever secondary gain they get from the demonic activity. If the human desires to be free more than he believes promises of the demon, I have never seen anyone fail to receive deliverance. But if he is only seeking relief for some discomfort, they we were wasting our time. And, such persons will wear you out in short order. They do seem to desire to become parasitic on those trying to help them.

But I wouldn't want to leave someone under demonic infestation simply because there might be discomfort in getting free. And, a certain amount of the dramatics is simply a show to intimidate the rescuers. Jesus commissioned His followers to expel demons, so this is not something we should be frightened out of doing. There is some excellent material in print on the topic.

I think we do well to be prepared for such engagements. I suspect the opportunities to spoil the strong man's goods will be increasing.
 

milkydoo

Inactive
I voted other. I guess I don't really understand the purpose of the poll, or it's questions.

Well, it's geared mostly towards Christians, because they are the ones most likely to listen, but in regards to the practice of satanism in our world, it's directed at everyone. Satanism affects everyone regardless of our beliefs. The dark world we live in affects us every day, when you struggle to pay your rent, when your kids are taken from you by CPS, or when terrorists attack.

If you peer just beyond the thin veil that has been placed over our lives, you can see the symbols, and the writings, and the rituals, and the pieces of the puzzle all start to come together.

We cannot defeat what we cannot see, or don't understand.
 
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