EBOLA Sanitizing Crew Turned Away From Dallas Home For Lack of Transport Papers

Wise Owl

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Can someone put this story on the Dallas thread in full? I am seriously bandwidth deprived lately due to crappy connections that my ISP/phone company refuses to fix.

Thanks...
 

2Trish

Veteran Member
Can someone put this story on the Dallas thread in full? I am seriously bandwidth deprived lately due to crappy connections that my ISP/phone company refuses to fix.

Thanks...

It's long, that's why I didn't copy/paste. But here you go.

updated 12:29 PM EDT, Fri October 3, 2014
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

NEW: D.C. hospital admits patient with symptoms 'that could be associated with Ebola'
Three sheriff's deputies who helped deliver quarantine order are placed on leave
Thomas Eric Duncan is the first person diagnosed with Ebola on American soil
Sanitation company says it was turned away from apartment where four family members are quarantined

(CNN) -- Howard University Hospital in Washington has admitted a patient with symptoms "that could be associated with Ebola," hospital spokeswoman Kerry-Ann Hamilton said Friday. The patient, who was not named, recently traveled to Nigeria and presented with the symptoms upon his or her return, she said. The patient is in stable condition.

"In an abundance of caution, we have activated the appropriate infection control protocols, including isolating the patient," Hamilton said. "Our medical team continues to evaluate and monitor progress in close collaboration with the CDC and the Department of Health."

The news comes four days after the first Ebola patient to be diagnosed in the United States was put in isolation at a hospital in Texas.

Thomas Eric Duncan was hospitalized days after his arrival from Liberia. The deadly virus has killed more than 3,300 people in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.

Duncan landed in Dallas on September 20 and started feeling sick several days later. He went to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital on September 26 with a fever and abdominal pain, hospital officials say. He was sent home with antibiotics but returned in an ambulance two days later, when he was admitted and placed in isolation.
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On September 30, a blood test confirmed Duncan had Ebola. He remains at the hospital in serious but stable condition, health officials say.

On Friday, Dallas County Health and Human Services director Zachary Thompson told CNN's "New Day" that the Ebola situation in the city is "under control."

"It is contained," Thompson said. The Ebola patient's "family is being monitored. There is no outbreak. And so therefore everyone should ease their fears and allow public health officials ... to respond to this issue."

Cleanup delayed

Duncan was in Dallas visiting his son and his son's mother, his half-brother, Wilfred Smallwood, said.

Duncan's partner, who asked to be referred to only by her first name, Louise, along with her son and two nephews in their 20s, are in isolation at the apartment, which still has the sheets, clothes and towels Duncan used.

A plan to sanitize the apartment was delayed late Thursday.

Brad Smith of the Cleaning Guys, which was hired to sanitize the apartment, said his company is ready to go but a permit issue has stopped them from entering the home. Smith says a specialized permit, which is handled by the state government, is needed to transport this type of unprecedented hazardous waste on Texas highways. Cleaning Guys specializes in hazmat and biohazard cleaning services, but it does not transport the materials.

Ebola can spread through contact with an infected person's bodily fluids like blood, feces or vomit. CDC spokeswoman Abbigail Tumpey says the CDC considers materials contaminated with Ebola as regular medical waste, and as such, can be disposed of as medical waste. But she said the Department of Transportation considers Ebola to be a Category A agent, which means it's illegal to transport.

"The CDC and the DOT regulations have been in conflict. It's been an ongoing issue that we've been dealing with. We hope to have a resolution on that literally today."

"This is a unique situation," Smith said. "Once awarded, our hazmat teams will be allowed back inside to do their jobs."

Louise told CNN's Anderson Cooper that she used bleach to clean her apartment, "but it's not clear to me how systematic the cleaning was," Cooper said.

Three Dallas County sheriff's deputies have been placed on leave after helping deliver court orders to the four family members, Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Carmen Castro said Friday.

The trio escorted a Dallas County Health and Human Services worker on Wednesday who was delivering the orders, which placed the family members inside the apartment under quarantine until October 19. Castro says the deputies' leave is precautionary for their peace of mind.

Where are the students?

On Wednesday, Dallas Independent School District Superintendent Mike Miles said five school-age children who attended four different schools had come into contact with Duncan and were being monitored at home for Ebola symptoms.
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It is unclear if the young boy quarantined with Louise is one of those children, or how the five students came in contact with Duncan.

On Thursday, district spokesman Andre Riley told CNN that one of those students went to Sam Tasby Middle School on Wednesday

"We're not sure why the Tasby student showed up for school on Wednesday but, once he was identified, he was asked to go to the nurse's office so that a parent could be contacted," Riley said in an email. "During the limited time he was on campus, he showed no symptoms."

The students have been asked not to attend school "out of an abundance of caution," Riley said.

Questions about hospital procedure

Hospital officials have acknowledged that Duncan's travel history wasn't "fully communicated" to doctors when he first came to the hospital on September 26, but also said in a statement Wednesday that based on his symptoms, there was no reason to admit him at that time.

"The patient presented with low-grade fever and abdominal pain. His condition did not warrant admission. He also was not exhibiting symptoms specific to Ebola," Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas said.

"A travel history was taken, but it wasn't communicated to the people who were making the decision. ... It was a mistake. They dropped the ball," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

In its early stages, Ebola looks just like a lot of other illnesses. But the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been emphasizing the need to ask all patients with these symptoms for a travel history.

"You don't want to pile on them, but hopefully this will never happen again," Fauci told CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper."

The CDC is now distributing pamphlets to hospitals in the hope of increasing awareness. One pamphlet is a checklist for patients being evaluated for Ebola. The other is a flowchart for evaluating travelers who have returned from an Ebola-affected country.

Did he lie to come to the United States?

Before leaving his homeland, Duncan answered no to questions on a travel form about whether he was exposed to the deadly virus, said Binyah Kesselly of the Liberia Airport Authority.

Yet Duncan had been helping Ebola patients, including caring for one at a residence outside the capital of Monrovia, Liberian community leader Tugbeh Chieh Tugbeh told CNN.

Liberia Airport Authority officials said they may prosecute Duncan if he lied on his health screening questionnaire before leaving for the United States.

President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf told Canadian public broadcaster CBC that she would consult with lawyers to decide what to do with Duncan when he returns home.

"The fact that he knew (he was exposed to the virus) and he left the country is unpardonable, quite frankly," Johnson Sirleaf said.

"With the U.S. doing so much to help us fight Ebola, and again one of our compatriots didn't take due care, and so, he's gone there and ... put some Americans in a state of fear, and put them at some risk, and so I feel very saddened by that and very angry with him, to tell you the truth."

Duncan hadn't mentioned any exposure to the disease, said Smallwood, Duncan's half-brother. He added that he doesn't believe Duncan knew he had Ebola when he left Liberia.

Duncan was screened three times before he boarded his flight in Liberia bound for Brussels, said Kesselly of the Liberia Airport Authority. His temperature was a consistent 97.3 degrees Fahrenheit, said Thomas Frieden, chief of the CDC.

After his connection through Brussels, he flew to Washington, and then to Dallas.

Dozens may have had contact with him

Health officials are reaching out to as many as 100 people who may have had contact with Duncan while he was contagious, a Texas Department of State Health Services spokeswoman said Wednesday. They are being questioned because they may have crossed paths with the patient.

So far, no one who had contact with him has shown any signs of Ebola, Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said.

The number of direct contacts who have been identified and are being monitored right now is "more than 12," a federal official told CNN.

Monitoring means a public health worker visits the contacts twice a day to take temperatures and to ask if they are experiencing any symptoms.

More U.S. troops will be sent to West Africa

The Pentagon will announce that an additional 600 American troops will be sent to West Africa in support of the fight against the Ebola outbreak, a U.S. military official told CNN's Barbara Starr on Friday.

The troops will provide engineering and logistics support, the official said. The United States had already committed to sending 3,000 troops to the region.

About 200 U.S. troops are in West Africa now, Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby told CNN's "New Day" Friday.

The U.S. troops will not treat patients, but will help establish health facilities and medical treatment units "so that the health care workers can do their jobs," Kirby said.

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NBC cameraman infected

Plans are also being made to bring an American cameraman who was diagnosed with Ebola in Monrovia home to the United States.

Ashoka Mukpo, 33, a freelance cameraman for NBC News, will return to the U.S. for treatment aboard a private charter plane.

Mukpo started feeling achy and tired Wednesday, and he quarantined himself. A day later, a test at a Doctors Without Borders facility in Monrovia confirmed that he had Ebola.

The cameraman is believed to be the fourth American stricken by the disease while in Liberia.

Dr. Kent Brantly, Nancy Writebol and Dr. Rick Sacra all contracted the disease while working in the country.

All three recovered after they were evacuated from Liberia and treated at hospitals in Atlanta and Omaha, Nebraska.

CNN's Dave Alsup and Catherine E. Shoichet contributed to this report.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Plans are also being made to bring an American cameraman who was diagnosed with Ebola in Monrovia home to the United States.

Ashoka Mukpo, 33, a freelance cameraman for NBC News, will return to the U.S. for treatment aboard a private charter plane.
Is this guy a citizen? "Bringing home" petrie dishes of deadly viruses is the most diabolical, evil act I can remember any government doing, right up there with Auschwitz and human experimentation. Even libcoms get it. We are not equipped to care for these people, good Lord, they have turned away a sanitizing crew, leaving an incubator of this crap stewing in the middle of an apartment complex because they don't have a piece of frigging paper? I think those who demanded the papers need to go do the damn job. Tell me this isn't being done on purpose and I'll call you either a government shill or naive to the point of retardation.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
. Even libcoms get it. We are not equipped to care for these people, good Lord, they have turned away a sanitizing crew, leaving an incubator of this crap stewing in the middle of an apartment complex because they don't have a piece of frigging paper? I think those who demanded the papers need to go do the damn job. Tell me this isn't being done on purpose and I'll call you either a government shill or naive to the point of retardation.

The SENSIBLE response is to call Republic and have their medical waste div come get the stuff.
And transporting this kind of waste really DOES require some training.
Your reaction reflects a lack of understanding of the needs involved.

Tell me this isn't being done on purpose and I'll call you either a government shill or naive to the point of retardation.

YOU are the naive one, shilling for the breathless, low information fear crowd.
 

the watcher

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Wow and here I thought this forum was Dennis'. Sooo by definition and example, mods can do ad homieum's here? Flippers comment wasn't directed AT you, you stepped into that role.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Wow and here I thought this forum was Dennis'. Sooo by definition and example, mods can do ad homieum's here? Flippers comment wasn't directed AT you, you stepped into that role.

Uh, Flippper started it... "I'll call you either a government shill or naïve to the point of retardation."

Dennis "owns the forum and pays the bills"...yes it is "his" forum. That is why I am "The OTHER Curmudgeon".

Just was pointing out there are a handful of us who have been here even before Dennis joined the board and ultimately took it over 4 years later.
 

the watcher

Inactive
Actually Kris, Night rider wasn't involved in this thread, until he/ she/ it arrived to attack Flipper. And what Flipper was called would draw a timeout on many other forums. So who controls the forum?

I have made Dennis aware of this thread so he can make a ruling on who attacked who. And if he doesn't that says alot too.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Things be gettin' TOUCHY... calm down boys and girls, this roller coaster has barely left the boarding ramp yet...
 

the watcher

Inactive
I am calm lol. But I won't stand by and let one member attack another, even if they say they are a mod. I've saved the thread to avoid any post alterations. Seen that trick done before.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Actually Kris, Night rider wasn't involved in this thread, until he/ she/ it arrived to attack Flipper...

And you didn't get involved in this thread until you decided to play ad hoc mod, should we imply some sort of agenda to you as well? Seriously, we have better things to do than argue over this bit of banter. At least their banter, uncivil on both sides by a bit, is actually on topic.
 

the watcher

Inactive
Actually I came to read and was going to post some more info here. But saw the bizzare attack out of the blue and decided to close the thread. Then the more I thought about the attack on Flipper, a huge contributing member, unlike Nightdriver, I'll admit I got a little twisted. Then to have Nightdriver state they are a mod lol. that to me compounds the attack.

To have mod after mod trying to justify this action, is way out there.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Actually I came to read and was going to post some more info here. But saw the bizzare attack out of the blue and decided to close the thread. Then the more I thought about the attack on Flipper, a huge contributing member, unlike Nightdriver, I'll admit I got a little twisted. Then to have Nightdriver state they are a mod lol. that to me compounds the attack.

To have mod after mod trying to justify this action, is way out there.

Are you a mod? Your info doesn't indicate that to me... Can we get back on topic now?
 

okie-carbine

Veteran Member
Internet web forumz is serious bidness.

not sure how/why you guys turned this into a who's dick is bigger contest, but seriously?
 

the watcher

Inactive
Are you a mod? Your info doesn't indicate that to me... Can we get back on topic now?

Are you? I'm not, and I'll freely and honestly admit it. I haven't been here since the crack of dawn, but I know a wrong when I see it.

I know the mod motto, protect the mods, no matter what. I've been an admin, been a mod, I know how it works. Pretty slimely actions ND.
 
Are you? I'm not, and I'll freely and honestly admit it. I haven't been here since the crack of dawn, but I know a wrong when I see it.

I know the mod motto, protect the mods, no matter what. I've been an admin, been a mod, I know how it works. Pretty slimely actions ND.

I am NOT a mod, but I am a member and as such I ask, can we please return to the topic and be done with this?
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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Flipper, a huge contributing member, unlike Nightdriver

Huh...what is your definition of "contributing"??? Dollars? Posts? Insight and Relevance?

Taking one of those...POSTS Flipper at 17,000 is just under half of Night Driver's almost 39,000.

Insight and Relevance? You might want to start at the beginning and read...you will find Night Drivers posts over the years at least as worthy as just about anyone on the forum...including Flippper.

Dollars? Don't know would have to ask Dennis...
 
From: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/03/health/ebola-us/index.html

Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Friday that "our health care infrastructure in the United States is well-equipped to stop Ebola in its tracks."
He and other top U.S. officials outlined the various efforts being taken by U.S. officials, both domestically and in West Africa, to fight the spread of the deadly Ebola virus.
[Original story published at 4:49 p.m. ET]
A hazardous materials team has started cleaning the Dallas apartment where four contacts of U.S. Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan are under quarantine, an official with the team said.
Brad Smith of Cleaning Guys, a private company that specializes in hazardous materials and biohazard cleaning services, said Friday afternoon that "stage one" of phase one of the clean-up has been completed. He noted there will be three stages in phase one, which his company is handling.
"We are preparing the possibly contaminated (materials) for transport and disposal," Smith said.


Duncan's family members -- his partner, who asked to be referred to only by her first name, Louise, along with her son and two nephews in their 20s -- have been ordered to stay home until October 19.
Cleaning Guys is collecting sheets, clothes and towels Duncan used, Dalls County Fire Mashal Robert De Los Santos said Friday afternoon. The materials will be placed in bags and then transported to a secure location; the entire process should take 30 to 40 minutes, he said.

Ebola can live outside the body on those kinds of materials, says CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta. The length of time it remains active depends on the environment -- from hours to days -- but it is possible for someone to contract the disease from touching those materials.

De Los Santos also said health officials plan on moving the family members to a new location but did not reveal any information on where or how this movement will happen.
A permit issue had been delaying the cleaning process, Smith of Cleaning Guys said. Smith says a specialized permit is needed to transport this type of unprecedented hazardous waste on Texas highways.
Hazmat teams still do not have permits to dispose of the soiled items taken from the apartment, Dr. David Lakey of the Texas Department of State Health Services said Friday at a 1 p.m. telebriefing.


Ebola can spread through contact with an infected person's bodily fluids like blood, feces or vomit. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spokeswoman Abbigail Tumpey says the CDC considers materials contaminated with Ebola as regular medical waste, and as such, can be disposed of as medical waste. But she said the Department of Transportation considers Ebola to be a Category A agent, which means it's illegal to transport.
"The CDC and the DOT regulations have been in conflict. It's been an ongoing issue that we've been dealing with."
A federal Department of Transportation official with knowledge of the situation told CNN that by the end of the day, a special permit will be issued for a waste management company to remove Ebola-contaminated material in certain areas around Dallas
. (more at link)
 

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okie-carbine

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"Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spokeswoman Abbigail Tumpey says the CDC considers materials contaminated with Ebola as regular medical waste, and as such, can be disposed of as medical waste. But she said the Department of Transportation considers Ebola to be a Category A agent, which means it's illegal to transport.
"The CDC and the DOT regulations have been in conflict. It's been an ongoing issue that we've been dealing with."
A federal Department of Transportation official with knowledge of the situation told CNN that by the end of the day, a special permit will be issued for a waste management company to remove Ebola-contaminated material in certain areas around Dallas."




we are so fooked. even different departments of the gubment can't get on the same page about what to do with this crap.

and have you seen the pic of the guy who was out in front of the aparment just cleaning the vomit up like it was a regular ol everyday event? holy jeez.
and then they sent the deputies into the apartment to have the residents sign the court order?

why aren't people thinking before they act?

my word.
 

ittybit

Inactive
The CDC has no juristiction over transportation. Transportation also is concerned about securing loads and making sure they get to their destinations intact, and what happens if there are accidents, ect. Transport is right to place this waste in the most restrictive catagory. CDC really doesn't give a sh!t other than having an opinion and publishing it. CDC and NIH are more political than not, and have very large agendas that they are willing to push down people's throats because "they are the experts", even if it kills you. One of those agendas is to forces hospitals to not distinguish between different infectious agents, but to treat EVERYTHING the same way. This agenda is called "Universal Precautions" and was instituted in order to destigmatize those infected with HIV. They have pretended that their specifications for waste management are being followed, and because of that things like Ebola waste is no different than waste from a flu patient.

Sadly, they are wrong and many people will die do to this political agenda.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I watched CNN video of this cleanup process-did anyone catch the car that was wrapped? It was wrapped up down to the tires-that's odd with a capital O.......So how are they going to disinfect or dispose of THAT?
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I watched CNN video of this cleanup process-did anyone catch the car that was wrapped? It was wrapped up down to the tires-that's odd with a capital O.......So how are they going to disinfect or dispose of THAT?

LOTS of quat alcohol wipes.
 

Possible Impact

TB Fanatic
I watched CNN video of this cleanup process-did anyone catch the car that was wrapped? It was wrapped up down to the tires-that's odd with a capital O.......So how are they going to disinfect or dispose of THAT?

That was to keep the Sun's UV light from degrading all the Ebola blown on the car
earlier with the power washer, when workers cleaned the vomit off the sidewalk.

CDC holds the patent on Ebola, and they want to keep every mL of active virus from being harmed. :p
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
For God's sake....


get a stupid 55 gallon metal drum and BURN the damn stuff before it becomes Typhoid Mary's bedsheets.


I read temps about 167 F kills ebola---fire should do it.


the smoke wouldn't matter after that degree of heat incinerated the contents.



sheesh what stupidity.........probably some union rule or other.............
 

SIRR1

Deceased
"The CDC has no juristiction over transportation" Ittybit one would think in a situation like we have in Texas the CDC and DOT would have some type of agreement in hand already on transporting this waste?

Someone from the CDC or DOT at the scene like a Tommy Lee Jones figure would stand up and state here are the rules for transportation of this waste and we will follow them to the letter!

Maybe something like this,

Possibly a police / armed military police escort to the incinerator closing streets and highways from the scene to the waste disposal plant along with a team of drivers and a fleet of first trained spill responders following the waste trucks just in case of an accident for emergency clean up then decontamination of the involved personnel and vehicles at the waste treatment facility.

My guess a policy has been written up and is in place in the bylaws at homeland but no one could find it fast enough to fix the problem today.

I am pretty sure this is a homeland security operation since it involves multi-country travel and a possible terrorist hit here in CONUS.

SIRR1
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
Here is the latest report I could find. Bold emphasis added.

FWIW.

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Oct 4, 12:02 AM (ET)

By DAVID WARREN and JAMIE STENGLE


DALLAS (AP) — A hazardous-materials crew on Friday decontaminated the Texas apartment where an Ebola patient was staying when he got sick, while public-health officials cut by half the number of people being monitored for any symptoms of the deadly disease.

Hours later, the family that was living in the apartment was moved to a private residence in a gated community that was offered by a volunteer.

The decontamination team was to collect bed sheets, towels and a mattress used by the infected man before he was hospitalized, as well as a suitcase and other personal items belonging to Thomas Eric Duncan, officials said.

The materials were sealed in industrial barrels that were to be stored in trucks until they can be hauled away for permanent disposal.

Federal transportation and disease-control officials issued an emergency special permit Friday to allow an Illinois-based company to haul away and dispose of the materials — not only from the apartment but also any from the hospital where Duncan is receiving treatment.

The first Ebola diagnosis in the U.S. has raised concerns about whether the disease that has killed 3,400 people in West Africa could spread in the U.S. Federal health officials say they are confident they can keep it in check.

Elsewhere, NBC News reported that an American freelance cameraman working for the network in Liberia has tested positive for the virus and will be flown back to the United States, along with the rest of the news crew.

Neighbors stood on their balconies and watched the family's grim departure from behind a black tarp hung to shield their front door from view.

The family was placed in a Dallas County deputy's patrol car and driven away, apparently leaving with nothing more than the clothes they wore.

The residence where they will stay had been offered only a short time earlier. Until then, a search for shelter had come up short. The city had been refused by hotels, apartments and other providers.

"No one wants this family," said Sana Syed, a Dallas city spokeswoman.

The family was confined to their home under armed guard while public-health officials monitored them — part of an intense effort to contain the deadly disease before it can get a foothold in the United States.

Louise Troh, originally from Liberia, shares the apartment with her 13-year-old son and two nephews.

When the decontamination is complete, even the crew's protective suits are to be burned, said Tamara Smith, office manager for the Cleaning Guys of Fort Worth.

Judge Clay Jenkins, Dallas County's top administrative official, said he went to the apartment with two epidemiologists to apologize for the delay in removing the soiled items, which happened five days after Duncan was admitted to the hospital.

"I want to see this family treated the way I would want to see my own family treated," Jenkins said.

The confinement order, which also bans visitors, was imposed after the family failed to comply with a request to stay home.

Also Friday, Texas health officials said they had narrowed the number of people they were monitoring from as many as 100 to about 50 who had some type of exposure to Duncan.

Texas Health Commissioner David Lakey said all 50 are meeting with health workers and having their temperatures taken daily. So far, none shows symptoms of the virus. Ten are considered to be at higher risk and are being monitored more closely.

The virus that causes Ebola is not airborne and can only be spread through direct contact with the bodily fluids — blood, sweat, vomit, feces, urine, saliva or semen — of an infected person who is showing symptoms.

Troh's 35-year-old daughter lives a few blocks away in a small apartment with her partner and four children. The two families often visited each other's homes.

Health officials have told Youngor Jallah to keep her family at home. But unlike at her mother's apartment, there are no armed guards preventing them from leaving.

She's now wracked with regret that she did not take greater precautions in her dealings with Duncan.

"I'm just doubting myself every minute," she said Friday in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm trying to take my mind off it, but I can't do it."

She is not kissing or hugging her children, ages 2, 4 and 6, or her partner's 11-year-old son, or sharing dishes with them.

Duncan arrived in Dallas on Sept. 20 and fell ill a few days later. After an initial visit to the emergency room at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, he was sent home, even though he told a nurse he had been in disease-ravaged West Africa.

He returned to the hospital two days later, on Sunday, and has been kept in isolation ever since. He's listed in serious but stable condition.

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Associated Press Writer Emily Schmall in Dallas also contributed to this report.


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20141004/ebola-061697dec7.html
 
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