We were at "Here we go" when you started this thread.
Breathe . . . it only ends one way.
ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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Breathe . . . it only ends one way.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Most this just reinforces the use of nukes, before all the other weapons are gone. This attrition is the name of the game for the globalists. Use up all the weapons, while retaining just enough for the "UN peacekeepers". The one's with the jackboots.
danielboon
TB Fanatic
Oh come on I'm just having fun
Of course they are.
YEP - 100% a practical move - lots of new troops and training - especially in the use of tactical Nukes would be expected. The type of weapon system you don't want to mess up using.
It is also likely a message to NATO - think twice about your next move.
Now We Wait
I think it's more akin to the US art of war is dependent on full air dominance with the use of military aviation as a central part of ground operations. The ground tactics and weapons absent this this key element are found lacking.It is becoming clearer - to any objective viewer - that NATO (US) totally miscalculated how this war was going to go.
NATO (US) weapons and tactics developed over decades fighting goat herders in 3rd world nations did not prepare them for a conflict with a nation that not only had weapons as advanced or better than the West but could also outproduce them.
Good overview on this subject by Larry Johnson based on an excellent article The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
Colonel Alex Vershinin, writing for the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), is out with a stunner of a piece that confirms Russia is light years ahead of NATO’s military establishment.War of Attrition vs War of Manoeuvre
sonar21.com
"Attritional wars require their own ‘Art of War’ and are fought with a ‘force-centric’ approach, unlike wars of manoeuvre which are ‘terrain-focused’. They are rooted in massive industrial capacity to enable the replacement of losses, geographical depth to absorb a series of defeats, and technological conditions that prevent rapid ground movement. In attritional wars, military operations are shaped by a state’s ability to replace losses and generate new formations, not tactical and operational manoeuvres. The side that accepts the attritional nature of war and focuses on destroying enemy forces rather than gaining terrain is most likely to win."
"The West is not prepared for this kind of war. To most Western experts, attritional strategy is counterintuitive. Historically, the West preferred the short ‘winner takes all’ clash of professional armies. Recent war games such as CSIS’s war over Taiwan covered one month of fighting. The possibility that the war would go on never entered the discussion. This is a reflection of a common Western attitude."
"As conflict drags on, the war is won by economies, not armies. States that grasp this and fight such a war via an attritional strategy aimed at exhausting enemy resources while preserving their own are more likely to win. The fastest way to lose a war of attrition is to focus on manoeuvre, expending valuable resources on near-term territorial objectives. Recognising that wars of attrition have their own art is vital to winning them without sustaining crippling losses."
The bottomline is simple — the United States and NATO are not equipped, organized or trained to fight a peer force like Russia or China in a war of attrition. One of the biggest short-comings are the costly, fragile weapons that account for NATO’s supposedly premier means for pursuing a war.
I encourage you to dig into the RUSI report. It makes it very clear why Russia is poised to defeat, not only the Ukrainian military, but NATO as well.
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
If the West is serious about the possibility of a great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its capacity to wage a protracted war and to pursue a strategy focused on attrition rather than manoeuvre.rusi.org
Add in new tech such as UAVs of all shapes and sizes and what the west trained for in the Cold War era and unleashed in 1991 and 2003 isn't transferable to the Ukrainian army.
LOL - I know - that's why I pointed out the irony that the guy that started the thread 2 and a half years ago
was starting over with "here we go".
I be like . . . my "here we go" done "got up and went"
"It is becoming clearer - to any objective viewer - that NATO (US) totally miscalculated how this war was going to go."It is becoming clearer - to any objective viewer - that NATO (US) totally miscalculated how this war was going to go.
NATO (US) weapons and tactics developed over decades fighting goat herders in 3rd world nations did not prepare them for a conflict with a nation that not only had weapons as advanced or better than the West but could also outproduce them.
Good overview on this subject by Larry Johnson based on an excellent article The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
Colonel Alex Vershinin, writing for the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), is out with a stunner of a piece that confirms Russia is light years ahead of NATO’s military establishment.War of Attrition vs War of Manoeuvre
"Attritional wars require their own ‘Art of War’ and are fought with a ‘force-centric’ approach, unlike wars of manoeuvre which are ‘terrain-focused’. They are rooted in massive industrial capacity to enable the replacement of losses, geographical depth to absorb a series of defeats, and technological conditions that prevent rapid ground movement. In attritional wars, military operations are shaped by a state’s ability to replace losses and generate new formations, not tactical and operational manoeuvres. The side that accepts the attritional nature of war and focuses on destroying enemy forces rather than gaining terrain is most likely to win."
"The West is not prepared for this kind of war. To most Western experts, attritional strategy is counterintuitive. Historically, the West preferred the short ‘winner takes all’ clash of professional armies. Recent war games such as CSIS’s war over Taiwan covered one month of fighting. The possibility that the war would go on never entered the discussion. This is a reflection of a common Western attitude."
"As conflict drags on, the war is won by economies, not armies. States that grasp this and fight such a war via an attritional strategy aimed at exhausting enemy resources while preserving their own are more likely to win. The fastest way to lose a war of attrition is to focus on manoeuvre, expending valuable resources on near-term territorial objectives. Recognising that wars of attrition have their own art is vital to winning them without sustaining crippling losses."
The bottomline is simple — the United States and NATO are not equipped, organized or trained to fight a peer force like Russia or China in a war of attrition. One of the biggest short-comings are the costly, fragile weapons that account for NATO’s supposedly premier means for pursuing a war.
I encourage you to dig into the RUSI report. It makes it very clear why Russia is poised to defeat, not only the Ukrainian military, but NATO as well.
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
If the West is serious about the possibility of a great power conflict, it needs to take a hard look at its capacity to wage a protracted war and to pursue a strategy focused on attrition rather than manoeuvre.
It is sad.
It is pathetic.
It is embarrassing.
But most of all it is the most dangerous situation . . . maybe ever.
Because the deep state cannot and will not allow themselves to be seen this weak.
You are supposed to need F-16s and nukes to take them on.
And Joe Biden clearly stated that Putin had already lost.
jward
passin' thru
S p r i n t e r F a c t o r y
@Sprinterfactory
The French ambassador was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry building, and within just minutes of his departure, the French Foreign Ministry issued a statement confirming that France would not send any military forces to Ukraine.
View: https://twitter.com/Sprinterfactory/status/1787482463976989121
@Sprinterfactory
The French ambassador was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry building, and within just minutes of his departure, the French Foreign Ministry issued a statement confirming that France would not send any military forces to Ukraine.
View: https://twitter.com/Sprinterfactory/status/1787482463976989121
jward
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Hans Kristensen
@nukestrat
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Russia to hold exercise in southern mil district “to increase the readiness of non-strategic nuclear forces…in response to provocative statements and threats of individual Western officials against” Russia. Минобороны России
See Rus nukes overview: https://tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.10
View: https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/1787412725187879121
@nukestrat
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Russia to hold exercise in southern mil district “to increase the readiness of non-strategic nuclear forces…in response to provocative statements and threats of individual Western officials against” Russia. Минобороны России
See Rus nukes overview: https://tandfonline.com/doi/epdf/10.10
View: https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/1787412725187879121
wait-n-see
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Russians who Fled War Are Going Back: Victory for Putin? | Vantage with Palki Sharma
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May 3, 2024
Russians who Fled War Are Going Back: Victory for Putin? | Vantage with Palki Sharma
Russia's war in Ukraine has been going on for more than 2 years. In these last two years, Russia has faced an ever-increasing number of western sanctions. But despite this, Russia's economy has kept on growing. Russia's economy grew by 3.6% in 2023, and growth is expected to outpace that of all advanced economies this year. One of the major reasons for Russia's growth is the return of Russian citizens. Over a million Russians left the country in 2022, but about half of them have returned. They have returned for various reasons, such as their host countries not renewing their residency permits, to outright discrimination. These returning Russians are helping fuel Russia's economy.
jward
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NEXTA
@nexta_tv
The Russian Defense Ministry has announced an exercise during which the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be practiced "in response to provocative statements and threats" from the West
According to the ministry's statement, the exercises will be held on Putin's personal instructions and will take place "in the near future."
@nexta_tv
The Russian Defense Ministry has announced an exercise during which the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be practiced "in response to provocative statements and threats" from the WestAccording to the ministry's statement, the exercises will be held on Putin's personal instructions and will take place "in the near future."
jward
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Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en
Russian media report that the UK ambassador in Russia was called in by the Russian foreign affairs ministry and "warned that the response to the Ukrainian strikes using British weapons on the territory of Russia could be against any British military facilities and equipment on the territory of Ukraine and beyond."
: UK ambassador arriving to the Russian foreign affairs ministry
View: https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1787482506066862097
@Gerashchenko_en
Russian media report that the UK ambassador in Russia was called in by the Russian foreign affairs ministry and "warned that the response to the Ukrainian strikes using British weapons on the territory of Russia could be against any British military facilities and equipment on the territory of Ukraine and beyond."
: UK ambassador arriving to the Russian foreign affairs ministry
View: https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1787482506066862097
jward
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Insider Paper
@TheInsiderPaper
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BREAKING: Macron welcomes Chinese ‘commitments’ not to sell any arms to Russia
READ: Macron welcomes Chinese 'commitments' not to sell any arms to Russia
@TheInsiderPaper
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BREAKING: Macron welcomes Chinese ‘commitments’ not to sell any arms to Russia
READ: Macron welcomes Chinese 'commitments' not to sell any arms to Russia
jward
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@AlertChannel
9m
The French President makes a 180-degree turn and apologizes to Putin: We are not at war with Russia or the Russian people, and we have no desire for regime change in Moscow — Macron
View: https://twitter.com/AlertChannel/status/1787534704045854842
9m
The French President makes a 180-degree turn and apologizes to Putin: We are not at war with Russia or the Russian people, and we have no desire for regime change in Moscow — Macron
View: https://twitter.com/AlertChannel/status/1787534704045854842
Sometimes the simplest of answers is overlooked. Air Dominance - 100% the foundation and key element in US / NATO ground operations.
What does Ukraine not have and Russia does - YEP Air Dominance.
As for drones - more of a subset of air power. They can help but are not a replacements for Fighters and Bombers.
Effectively at this point Ukraine's front line troops are nothing more than TARGETS for Glide Bombs. Zero way to protect themselves or counter the attacks.
Russia is executing the standard NATO / US playbook. Standoff and hit the opposing troops via Air Power - then send in ground troops to cleanup whatever remains. Nothing complex about this - just the SOP used by the US for decades - now being used on Ukraine - by Russia
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Of course the Chinese are not "selling" arms to Russia.
They are "bartering" arms to Russia.
Kind of like how we gave those 50 destroyers to the UK in exchange for basing rights, back in 1940 before we were "officially" at war.
Maybe that should have been - send ANY MORE.
New reports that some are already there and have lost 7 troops near / in the current battle for Chasov Yar
Sputnik report - FWIW
French Foreign Legion Possibly Racked Up 'First Losses in Ukraine' - Report
The French Foreign Legion dispatched to Ukraine has possibly sustained its first personnel losses, military correspondent Boris Rozhin stated on Telegram.
sputnikglobe.com
jward
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I know- or I should say I've been posting on their presence, and losses, for weeks now.Maybe that should have been - send ANY MORE.
New reports that some are already there and have lost 7 troops near / in the current battle for Chasov Yar
Sputnik report - FWIW
French Foreign Legion Possibly Racked Up 'First Losses in Ukraine' - Report
The French Foreign Legion dispatched to Ukraine has possibly sustained its first personnel losses, military correspondent Boris Rozhin stated on Telegram.
Short o' laying my own eyes on the situation I don't really "know" who's doing what where.
Again a possible double edge sword - China could also - to be fair - stop selling drones to Ukraine (their main source)
But the real issue with China is their selling advanced machine tools as well as IC chips. Now NK - another story
wait-n-see
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And with Russia using glide bombs that dwarf ours, and a lot more of them, the impact is magnified.
It is scary to imagine the concussion damage one receives from more than one detonation, and then for those who receive more than one detonation in a short time.
Going to be a LOT of Ukraine vets with life long mental issues just from this weapon.
Was not commenting on your statement - but France'sI know- or I should say I've been posting on their presence, and losses, for weeks now.
Short o' laying my own eyes on the situation I don't really "know" who's doing what where.
Without question quite a wild ride trying to know what is going on.
Key fact missing from this Sputnik report - were they in French uniforms or not?
I seem to recall the Frenchies losing about 70 of their first deployed Legionnaires one night when the hotel in Kharkov in which they were billeted was destroyed by a couple of missiles. Maybe a couple weeks or so ago? The various channels were full of reports about ambulances rushing to the scene. More than a few of them were reportedly traveling slowly when leaving the scene, with lights off, indicating that they were probably removing corpses instead of wounded.I know- or I should say I've been posting on their presence, and losses, for weeks now.
Short o' laying my own eyes on the situation I don't really "know" who's doing what where.
Things are accelerating again, seems like. We're in that mode when a decade happens in a single week.
Well - there goes Ukraine's #1 plan to defeat Russia
kyivindependent.com
Russia has stopped using the Crimean Bridge to transport military equipment to the front lines and is instead using overland routes in occupied parts of eastern Ukraine, The Independent and investigative group Molfar reported on May 6.
Media: Russia no longer using Crimean Bridge to supply front lines
Media: Russia no longer using Crimean Bridge to supply front lines
The bridge, also called the Kerch Bridge, connects the Russian mainland with the Russian-occupied Crimea peninsula, and has long been a crucial supply route for the Russian military in Ukraine.
kyivindependent.com
Russia has stopped using the Crimean Bridge to transport military equipment to the front lines and is instead using overland routes in occupied parts of eastern Ukraine, The Independent and investigative group Molfar reported on May 6.
von Koehler
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Well - there goes Ukraine's #1 plan to defeat Russia
Media: Russia no longer using Crimean Bridge to supply front lines
Media: Russia no longer using Crimean Bridge to supply front lines
The bridge, also called the Kerch Bridge, connects the Russian mainland with the Russian-occupied Crimea peninsula, and has long been a crucial supply route for the Russian military in Ukraine.
Russia has stopped using the Crimean Bridge to transport military equipment to the front lines and is instead using overland routes in occupied parts of eastern Ukraine, The Independent and investigative group Molfar reported on May 6.
Russian supply lines using their railroads are much easier to disrupt.
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Well - there goes Ukraine's #1 plan to defeat Russia
Media: Russia no longer using Crimean Bridge to supply front lines
Media: Russia no longer using Crimean Bridge to supply front lines
The bridge, also called the Kerch Bridge, connects the Russian mainland with the Russian-occupied Crimea peninsula, and has long been a crucial supply route for the Russian military in Ukraine.
Russia has stopped using the Crimean Bridge to transport military equipment to the front lines and is instead using overland routes in occupied parts of eastern Ukraine, The Independent and investigative group Molfar reported on May 6.
I bet the only reason that they admitted this fact about the bridge not being a critical path for supplies was the realization that they would never be able to destroy the bridge before Russian celebrations this month due to Russian AD. They been bragging about an event they can't do and have to cover for it.
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Replacing a few feet of rail track is a LOT easier than replacing damaged road / rail bridge spans.
But I am sure they will try - have to see how it goes. BTW there are also several ports that were used (and still are) prior to the bridge - LOTS of ways to get goods to Crimea or to the front (where the actual fighting is taking place). Besides the new rail lines - there are also new roads to move supplies.
jward
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Insider Paper
@TheInsiderPaper
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BREAKING: Poland says it is funding 20,000 Starlink satellite internet devices for Ukraine Poland says funding 20,000 Starlink devices for Ukraine
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BREAKING: Poland says it is funding 20,000 Starlink satellite internet devices for Ukraine Poland says funding 20,000 Starlink devices for Ukraine