BRKG Russia has put nuclear missiles in Venezuela, U.S. Congressman claims

MinnesotaSmith

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8977662/russia-nuke-missiles-venezuela-cuban-missile-crisis/

Russia has secretly installed nuke missiles in Venezuela, US politician claims in chilling echo of Cuban Missile Crisis
Republican Mario Diaz-Balart said it's a direct threat to the 'national security' of the US

By Jon Lockett
1st May 2019

"RUSSIA has secretly installed nuclear missiles in Venezuela a US politician has sensationally claimed in a chilling echo of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Republican congressman Mario Diaz-Balart said he believes Vladimir Putin's hidden nukes are now a direct threat to the "national security" of the United States.
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President Maduro travelled to Moscow to meet Putin in early December
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It's been claimed the Kremlin has now installed nukes in Venezuela

He made his astonishing allegations hours after Venezuela was pushed to the brink of civil war when opposition leader Juan Guaido called for rival Nicolas Maduro to be ousted from office.

Diaz-Balart told Fox News if Maduro stays in power it could be "an open door for the Russians and for the Chinese and for others to increase their activity against our national security interest."

Journalist Tucker Carlson then asked: "Are you suggesting they are going to invade?”

“The closest we ever came to nuclear war was because the Russians put missiles, right, nuclear missiles in Cuba,” replied Diaz-Balart.

“Are you saying the Russians will put nuclear missiles in Venezuela?” Carlson asked.

“What I am suggesting is that they are already there,” answered Diaz-Balart, without offering any evidence to back up his claim.

Putin's very open support of President Maduro has long been compared to the 1962 crisis sparked by the installation of nuclear-armed Soviet missiles on Cuba.

Diaz-Balart's claims also come after Russia landed two nuclear bombers in Venezuela in a show of defiance to Donald Trump.

The Tu-160 Russian bombers landed in Caracas in December as Putin publicly paraded his support of the socialist president.

Their arrival on Venezuelan soil came just a week after under-fire Maduro travelled to Moscow to meet his Russian counterpart.

However, international observers are quick to point out the pair's relationship is one based on finance rather than friendship.

The Kremlin has billions at stake after it sank a fortune into loans propping up Maduro - money it stands to lose if he is ever ousted from power.

Putin has already handed Venezuela more than £13bn in credit underwritten by its huge oil reserves - reportedly the largest in the world.

Maduro's military is also said to owe the Kremlin £8bn for tanks, missile defence systems and fighter jets it has purchased in recent years.

Any repayments will almost certainly be lost if Guaido takes power - with all future army orders likely going straight to the Pentagon.

Venezuela's military bases, airfields and ports are also seem as an ideal staging-post for Russian forces in the region.

Mikael Wigell, of the Finnish Institute of International Affairs, told RFE/RL: "Establishing close relations with Venezuela gives Moscow a certain nuisance power in relation to the United States, and that can be used as a bargaining chip in future dealings with the United States.

"It also can be kind of a showcase for Russia's aspirations to be considered a global power."

Not surprisingly, Russia has repeatedly and openly supported Venezuela's sovereignty, maintaining that the country should be allowed to develop without any external interference.

The support of the Russians is much welcome for Maduro who has found himself increasingly isolated since Donald Trump’s election.

n the meantime, Maduro has also forged close friendships with Trump’s other adversaries – including China and Iran.

However, many believe despite his powerful allies, Maduro's days in office are still numbered with some suggesting the Kremlin should simply offer "its friend" political asylum.

"The long, cold Moscow winter is not ideal of course for Maduro, used to palm trees and a year-round average of 25C," the paper Moskovsky Komsomolets stated.

"But it's still better than a warm prison cell in Caracas.""
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Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart believes Russia has secret nukes in Venezuela

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Two long-range strategic bombers landed at Simón Bolívar airport in December

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Trump has repeatedly suggested that the US could take military action against Venezuela
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Yep and you can be sure that regardless of this report is accurate or not, it will be used as an excuse if the US chooses to actually go to war there.

I have wondered for the last couple of months if there WAS such a situation going on because it would explain the sudden near panic the US seemed to have in terms of the situation on the ground there.

Obviously, the US would prefer an "internal revolution" to try and resolve things but if that doesn't work, well if there are nukes places there, things could get very interesting, very fast.

I have no idea if they are real or not, but I'd say the chances are likely - I mean Putin did say if Trump wanted a new Cuban Crises he could have one.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Seems there's been Russian ships at Venezuelan ports for quite some time...certainly long enough to off load a few missile systems..containerized systems could be in the dozens to hundreds if that was the goal...
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
The LAST time this kind of accusation was made, JFK had something congresscritter Diaz-Balart is REAL short on.
I kind of enjoy EVIDENCE when war is on the menu.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
... and I should be more concerned about this than the Russian nuclear subs who are routinely off the coast of the eastern and western US?
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
... and I should be more concerned about this than the Russian nuclear subs who are routinely off the coast of the eastern and western US?

Yeah...."Reloads" for Tu-160s or Tu-95s would be "easy" to put in place or remove. The security footprint for them however would be just as big as that for TELs if they were "special munitions"....
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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“The closest we ever came to nuclear war was because the Russians put missiles, right, nuclear missiles in Cuba,” replied Diaz-Balart.

“Are you saying the Russians will put nuclear missiles in Venezuela?” Carlson asked.

“What I am suggesting is that they are already there,” answered Diaz-Balart, without offering any evidence to back up his claim.

This Diaz-Balart character is a real drama queen, crap weasel.

Who does he think he is to make such a provocative assertion, in public, without offering one shred of evidence?
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This Diaz-Balart character is a real drama queen, crap weasel.

Who does he think he is to make such a provocative assertion, in public, without offering one shred of evidence?

For such a big, bold, and important accusation, evidence would be nice !!!!
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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For such a big, bold, and important accusation, evidence would be nice !!!!

At least, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we had aerial photographs.

All we have now is a some Republican congressperson talking trash but unable to back it up.
 

Blinker

Senior Member
1962. I remember watching on TV the forceful presentation that Ambassador Adlai Stevenson II made before the United Nations Security Council which was climaxed by his showing photographic proof of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba.

Perhaps his greatest moment came in private in the White House when he suggested a compromise in which the Soviets would get their missiles out of Cuba and we would in turn would get ours out of Greece and Turkey. His proposal was derided
by the war hawks but secretly carried out by JFK to end the crisis.
 

David Nettleton

Veteran Member
As we encircle the Russians with our weapons. Last count of military bases outside of a country: US = 238; Russia = 2. We would be a greater nation if the elitists, neocons, and globalists would have us mind our own business, I believe.
 

Macgyver

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Why? There's no practical reason.
Over the pole from eastern Russia is closer to launch something.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Why? There's no practical reason.
Over the pole from eastern Russia is closer to launch something.

It would be to discourage us, or anyone else, from invading Venezeula. Anyone who's read Victor Suvorov's book Inside the Soviet Army knows that Russian military doctrine is to be VERY hair-trigger about using nukes in wartime. Certainly, they'd rather fire them than have them be captured.
 
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Heliobas Disciple

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https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioDB

Looks as if he discounts his former position with his twitter account as of 10 hours ago at 12:28 PM today on May 1st 2019.

Here it is, thanks for pointing it out:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarioDB/status/1123670068985049090

Mario Diaz-Balart @MarioDB


When I said “they’re already there,” I was reiterating that the Russians are already there – a point that I have made repeatedly. I believe that @TuckerCarlson
’s response, “Why should I care if they’re there?” indicates that he understood my point as well. #Venezuela #Russia


Mario Diaz-Balart @MarioDB

The points I was making was that Russia’s undue influence at our doorstep is a threat, but I was not indicating that Russia had placed nuclear weapons in Venezuela.


So....

Maybe he was saying it, maybe he wasn't.... Maybe he was implying it and was told to retract immediately or maybe his words were twisted by the Fakestreammedia and he never meant what's been attributed to him. You can watch the interview here and draw your own conclusion. The relevant part is at the 6 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deVbxaI8ADg
Should the U.S. Invade Venezuela? Mario Diaz-Balart vs. Douglas Macgregor
12min 54sec
From Tucker Carlson Tonight, 30 Apr 2019
(video is of the interview being discussed in the OP and on this thread)
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Yeah... a little of it the other night:

Tucker: Lawmakers Weigh US Presence in Venezuela, But Sending Troops to US Border Is 'Crazy Talk'

May 01, 2019 // 8:52am

As seen on Tucker Carlson Tonight


Tucker Carlson said the American people should be asking some questions as the United States pushes for the overthrow of Venezuelan socialist leader Nicolas Maduro.

When asked whether a U.S. presence in Venezuela would make any difference, Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) said, "Absolutely. I was down at the Venezuelan border last Wednesday. This is just pure genocide. Maduro is killing his own citizens."

Scott said U.S. military assets should be positioned on the Venezuelan border to provide humanitarian assistance and dismantle barriers erected by Maduro so aid can flow into the country.

Carlson asked why a U.S. military deployment is being considered by lawmakers, but the idea of sending troops to our own border is seen as "crazy."

"They are happy to send our military to South America at the first sign of chaos. But send U.S. troops to our own border to stem the tide of a hundred thousand uninvited arrivals a month? 'No way,' they tell us. 'That is crazy talk!'" he said.

Carlson asked when the United States last "successfully meddled in the political life of another country," bringing up Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria and asking how a new "democracy" in Venezuela would turn out differently.

He cited one study that estimated the collapse of the Venezuelan government would produce 8 million refugees, many of whom would come to the United States.

Carlson asked if the country is prepared for such an influx, and said those who oppose U.S. intervention in these instances are labeled "isolationists, the single most immoral of all worldviews."


https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/05...venezuela-sending-troops-us-border-crazy-talk
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I wondered if there would be a "what I really meant to say was" and it sounds like one of three things:

1. This was what in the UK they call "a feeler" to see what public reaction is to a potential story.

2. The guy heard something in a closed briefing and couldn't help but spill the beans.

3. He really did "misspeak" (possibly intentionally see number one) and is "clarifying" his comments.

The nukes may or may not be there, but I appreciate MS's clarifying WHY having them there may make a difference as even my husband who has more military insights than I do, wasn't sure why putting nukes in Venezuela was any more dangerous than knowing there are subs out there with them or ICBMs other than they would be closer and harder to shoot down.

As a deterrent to an attack, that makes perfect sense; especially since I gather Russian Commanders on the ground have premission to "fire at will" if they feel the need to do so.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Deport all illegal aliens here to Venezuela. Otherwise they will become future socialism-demanding Democrat leftist voters. Send them to the western hemisphere’s premier socialist utopia for a bit of edumacatin’. Equip each one with a 22 pistol and a box of 22 ammo. Fighting chance and all that.

Win-win.
 

homepark

Resist
As I recall, we had underestimated the readiness level of the missiles in Cuba. Turned out there were already 90 or so that were fully functional. Maduro is playing with fire. He might not like the 'Gringo's", but does he like the Ruskies and Chinese calling the shots???
 

rlm1966

Veteran Member
After all of the lies that have come from DC and the MSM why should I believe this and why should I believe that it gives us the right to invade. Sorry but once you have earned the reputation as a liar which DC and MSM have more than accomplished I pretty much assume that there is more than a reasonable chance that you are once again lying. And even if Russia has nukes there how is that different than the nukes we have in Europe.

Call me weird but we are no longer a white night but a down and dirty empire that doesn't give a rats ass about anything but power and money for a select few. The rest of us are cannon fodder.
 

GammaRat

Veteran Member
FUD!

Russia has enough nuclear subs to wipe out the majority of major cities in the US... Multiple times over.

Then consider the "cargo ship" launchers, that even the lowly Pakistans could use to wipe our our east and west coast...
 

homepark

Resist
After all of the lies that have come from DC and the MSM why should I believe this and why should I believe that it gives us the right to invade. Sorry but once you have earned the reputation as a liar which DC and MSM have more than accomplished I pretty much assume that there is more than a reasonable chance that you are once again lying. And even if Russia has nukes there how is that different than the nukes we have in Europe.

Call me weird but we are no longer a white night but a down and dirty empire that doesn't give a rats ass about anything but power and money for a select few. The rest of us are cannon fodder.

I would agree with most of your post, however, don't think for a minute that the Chinese and Russian involvement there is in our best interests. The Rep was blowing smoke.
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As I recall, we had underestimated the readiness level of the missiles in Cuba. Turned out there were already 90 or so that were fully functional. Maduro is playing with fire. He might not like the 'Gringo's", but does he like the Ruskies and Chinese calling the shots???

After Maduro was taken hostage by the Cubans and Russians, he is obviously another socialist puppet.
Since the Fake News has not said anything about the nukes, I give the report of nukes in Venezuela a lot of credibility.
Trump may be putting up a smokescreen of tweets to distract the MSM and the Democrats.
After the bugs Mr. Obama put in the White House, there has been a notable increase in security and confidentiality.
I am expecting a lot of stock market volatility very soon.
SS
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Deport all illegal aliens here to Venezuela. Otherwise they will become future socialism-demanding Democrat leftist voters. Send them to the western hemisphere’s premier socialist utopia for a bit of edumacatin’. Equip each one with a 22 pistol and a box of 22 ammo. Fighting chance and all that.

Win-win.

EXCELLENT IDEA jed !!! But, give them 4 boxes of ammo. They will be in a target rich environment !!
 
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