ALERT Russia has destroyed a German tank and German crew, in Ukraine; also captured German POW.

[okie-carbine]

Russian Scouts Destroy Leopard Tank With German Bundeswehr Crew in Ukraine: Commander to Sputnik

Russia has repeatedly stated that the United States and NATO are directly involved in the conflict in Ukraine, primarily by supplying weapons, but also by training personnel in Britain, Germany, Italy, and other countries.
Scouts of the Russian Armed Forces destroyed a Leopard tank transferred to Ukraine with an entirely German crew consisting of military personnel of the German Armed Forces, a commander of a reconnaissance group operating in the Zaporozhye direction told Sputnik.

"The mechanic of the tank was seriously wounded, and the rest were killed. [...] When he woke up and saw us, he began shouting 'nicht schießen' [no shooting]," the group commander said, adding: "He said several times that he was not a mercenary, but a soldier of the Bundeswehr."
According to the commander, while the German soldier was receiving first aid, he named his brigade and its location. However, he added, as the mechanic had lost a lot of blood and had been badly injured, he died before the group started his transportation.

"I was a little surprised, of course, but [...] it doesn't matter which crew is in the Leopard – Ukrainian fighters or German soldiers – the result will be the same: German tanks will burn, and American tanks will burn as well," the commander said.
The commander of the reconnaissance group appealed to Western instructors to "think twice" before fighting the Russians.


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[Housecarl]

Well without the soldat alive and talking in front of a camera with the Red Cross all this report becomes is propaganda.

 

[Illini Warrior]

the mercenary list is like the UN - Venezuela or Brazil will be involved in the war news spurt

 

[SousJo]

There's little enough to confirm or refute this on Western MSM, and yet I was able to find video and reports posted via pro-Ukrainian subreddits of tank fighting, specifically including Leopards, in Zaporozhye.

So that much at minimum, I think, we can consider accurate-ish.

 

[Grumphau]

It is plausible. I think either way, after the strike on Sevastopol earlier this week, Russia is creating propaganda to incite its population and perhaps even build a causus belli to attack NATO planes in the Black Sea.

Also Russian leadership knows that finding German soldiers in particular will piss the Russian people off.

 

[Abe Froman]

Not. Gonna. End. Well.

 

[Housecarl]

Not. Gonna. End. Well.

It wasn't going to end well from over 20 years ago...........

 

[Thunderbird]

GPS is still working, no getting lost excuses. (Unless the GPS is tampered with)

 

[ShadowMan]

He said, she said....without a LIVE body, it's just propaganda.

 

[bw]

He said, she said....without a LIVE body, it's just propaganda.

Corpses in uniform is plenty good.

 

[Wyominglarry]

You can tell when a russian is lying. He is moving his lips. **** all Russians

 

[jed turtle]

You can tell when a russian is lying. He is moving his lips. **** all Russians

You can tell when an imposter American Resident is lying, when he is stumbling through his speech from one gaffe to another..., and all his residents men who rode in with him as well... and all their Chinese funding supporters...

treachery is alive and well in DC...

 

[Macgyver]

You can tell when a russian is lying. He is moving his lips. **** all Russians

If there was a country to put a general hate the people from there, Russia would not be on my list.

 

[mecoastie]

Need to see some sort of evidence. Video of the soldier speaking, identification papers etc. I find it hard to believe that any active military personnel from any NATO country would be sent in as individuals and not as a unit. That is what would need to be done to really influence the war. Whole units not individual tank crews seeded into Ukrainian units. Maybe they are mercenaries.

 

[Infoscout]

I would look for the Russians to call a meeting of the UN Security Council if this was enough to make things spicy. After all the advanced intel and munitions given to Ukraine, I can’t imagine this would be a cause for an expansion of the European conflict.

 

[bw]

I can’t imagine this would be a cause for an expansion of the European conflict.

Russia doesn't want to expand the conflict. Russia wants to show Wile E Coyote that he's already out over the abyss.

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

It is plausible. I think either way, after the strike on Sevastopol earlier this week, Russia is creating propaganda to incite its population and perhaps even build a causus belli to attack NATO planes in the Black Sea.

Also Russian leadership knows that finding German soldiers in particular will piss the Russian people off.

Yeah, there are only so many AWACS out there and they are not something readily replaced. Once they are all gone, they are gone for a decade at least. Thing is Russia has to be quick and make it appear that they were provoked into attacking...

And even better if they can capture the crews before everyone else after they eject...

 

[Grumphau]

I would look for the Russians to call a meeting of the UN Security Council if this was enough to make things spicy. After all the advanced intel and munitions given to Ukraine, I can’t imagine this would be a cause for an expansion of the European conflict.

Think about WWI, when the US was supplying armaments to the Brits and French. The Germans decided to sink US ships with submarines. They didn't want us to send troops to the war, they wanted us OUT. The Germans thought they would get that by bloodying the Americans nose. So they attacked out of desperation and the net effect was the US coming in directly.

I think the Russians want the US out of the Black Sea desperately. They want armament shipments to Ukraine to stop desperately. And there is a real chance that they will strike desperately.

 

[Trouble]

Totally believable to me, we have done everything else why not actually have boots in Ukraine. As for shooting down planes, I’d have already done that, RC 135’s help supply targeting data and are directly contributing to the loss of Russian solders and equipment. What we as a nation are doing is begging for a response, it’s reprehensible and NOT sanctioned by the American people. But we will suffer when this blows up.

 

[bw]

And even better if they can capture the crews before everyone else after they eject...

I doubt that AWACS support ejection. At any rate, they aren't over Russian holdings.

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

Think about WWI, when the US was supplying armaments to the Brits and French. The Germans decided to sink US ships with submarines. They didn't want us to send troops to the war, they wanted us OUT. The Germans thought they would get that by bloodying the Americans nose. So they attacked out of desperation and the net effect was the US coming in directly.

I think the Russians want the US out of the Black Sea desperately. They want armament shipments to Ukraine to stop desperately. And there is a real chance that they will strike desperately.

Well the other flipside I see us losing an AWACS and then Turkey says wait a minute, we are imposing a no fly zone over the black sea. Turkey does not want a shooting war outside of their front lawn...

 

[Vegas321]

Not. Gonna. End. Well.

Yep... We are heading into catastrophic consequences like none other in Human history.

 

[Hognutz]

Gonna be some German families missing some sons…

 

[ivantherussian03]

i Stopped reading at” Russian scouts destroy tank”. Call me names, but I don’t believe it.

 

[Vegas321]

i Stopped reading at” Russian scouts destroy tank”. Call me names, but I don’t believe it.

With no one telling the truth anymore. I certainly understand that. I give it a 51% true story.
I don't really think the Ukie's much of any personal left. Especially, trained Leppard tank crews. Time will tell...

 

[Trouble]

I doubt that AWACS support ejection. At any rate, they aren't over Russian holdings.

They don’t have to be, to do what they do. AWACS isn’t purely ATC. It’s also a very powerful intelligence bird. Cell phones, electronic eavesdropping and on and on.

 

[bw]

They don’t have to be, to do what they do. AWACS isn’t purely ATC. It’s also a very powerful intelligence bird. Cell phones, electronic eavesdropping and on and on.

No doubt, but you're missing the point. The topic was shooting down an AWACS and capturing the crew after they bail out.

 

[jward]

don't fergit yer shaker o' salt for all things read on the inter-webs, & grab a few extra for war related reports.


Alex Luck
@AlexLuck9
5m

All four German soldiers have now been identified. They are: Karl Ruprecht Kroenen, Hans & Simon Peter Gruber (siblings) & Hans Landa (naturalised citizen).


https://twitter.com/AlexLuck9

 

[jward]

reckon I shoulda suggested two tubs o' movie theatre popcorn instead o' two shakers o' salt for that eh?

Hans and Simon Peter Gruber? Aren’t they the names of characters from Die Hard and Die Hard with a Vengeance ? They were brothers too.

don't fergit yer shaker o' salt for all things read on the inter-webs, & grab a few extra for war related reports.


Alex Luck
@AlexLuck9
5m

All four German soldiers have now been identified. They are: Karl Ruprecht Kroenen, Hans & Simon Peter Gruber (siblings) & Hans Landa (naturalised citizen).

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https://twitter.com/AlexLuck9

 

[Marthanoir]

reckon I shoulda suggested two tubs o' movie theatre popcorn instead o' two shakers o' salt for that eh?

Hans Landa was Inglorious Bastards and Karl Ruprecht Kroenen was thr villan in Hellboy

 

[Capt. Eddie]

The Grubers are Die Hard

 

[paul bunyan]

Well the other flipside I see us losing an AWACS and then Turkey says wait a minute, we are imposing a no fly zone over the black sea. Turkey does not want a shooting war outside of their front lawn...

I beg to differ. Turkey has a very messy on and off shooting war on its south lawn and Turkey may be letting in armaments via the Bosphorus. Or maybe bought off ship inspectors.

 

[bw]

The Grubers are Die Hard

Not these two, apparently.

 

[von Koehler]

Without some sort of proof, have to dismiss this as Russian propaganda.

If true, there's a body to be identified and returned home to Deutschland. Visuals of destroyed tank?

It doesn't help Russian credibility that they have already claimed all Leopard tanks have been destroyed two or three times already.

 

[WalknTrot]

Germans - not known for their daintiness. Screw-ups like that completely undermine the narrative.

Frankly, I doubt I get to my "end of the road" (in the next ~35 years!) without WWIII breaking out, but I don't exactly want to wake up to it tomorrow.

 

[TedM1911]

Well without the soldat alive and talking in front of a camera with the Red Cross all this report becomes is propaganda.

And you think everything we are told here is not propaganda?
One week we are told Ukraine is devastating Russia and the next week we are warning of Russia/US nuclear war.
It is all propaganda.

 

[Marthanoir]

Its an up hill battle to get parliamentry approval to deploy German troops on UN missions let alone a real war in Ukraine.

If they are Germans I'd put money down they were German ancestry Americans or Canadians

 

[Elza]

With all of the electronic goodies now available and the Russians didn't record the interrogation of the
German soldier? My bullshit meter just pegged.

 

[Housecarl]

And you think everything we are told here is not propaganda?
One week we are told Ukraine is devastating Russia and the next week we are warning of Russia/US nuclear war.
It is all propaganda.

If a PIO's lips are moving they're more than likely lying. That was taught to me at a very young age. That's why we cite sources here.

 

[TedM1911]

If a PIO's lips are moving they're more than likely lying. That was taught to me at a very young age. That's why we cite sources here.

I did not mean here as in TB. I meant here in the US and MSM