CORONA Resurgence in hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine

Troke

On TB every waking moment
And it's also been reported in numerous locals that besides bad reactions to these "vaccines" we're seeing reported more cases of people who have had the shot series weeks ago coming down with full blown Covid. One big cluster that they're trying to tap dance around is an outbreak involving both residents and staff at the CA Veterans' Home up in Wine Country. The spin the MSM is being given is that they're looking into the possibility that the Veterans' Home got a defective batch!
One big cluster that they're trying to tap dance around is an outbreak involving both residents and staff at the CA Veterans' Home up in Wine Country.

I hit Google and could find nothing indicating they had been vaccinated. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place, but this is California, anything could happen there. One being residents of 'homes' never got vaccinated.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
I just read that Oregon had 168 people get covid with a number of them hospitalized...AFTER being fully vaccinated.
 
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Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Can't blame them much. I mean, they're in their 80s. They're probably taking precautions in a LOT of areas.

My folks just turned 70 not long ago and they're considering it. They figure it's not much different than their regular flu shots.

OR - - - they've been brainwashed by overindulging in the 24 hr news cycle and its COVID HYPE BULLSHIT . . . I'm not alone here in personally observing that tragedy - my father is a prime example.
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
OR - - - they've been brainwashed by overindulging in the 24 hr news cycle and its COVID HYPE BULLSHIT . . . I'm not alone here in personally observing that tragedy - my father is a prime example.
My mom is 83, of course she takes all the precautions. She watches TV news and hears from me all the stuff we talk about on here. She is not going to take the mRNA vaccine. She was considering the J&J but has decided to hold off.

My dad's liver was ruined by the swine flu vaccine back in the 70's.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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There are threads here on TB about the test results. You can still get it after the J&J vax, but zero test subjects went to the hospital if they got it. Also, the number of test subjects with the J&J study was much higher than with the others.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
What a laugh. From what I read these vaccines are only good for a fairly short time. Some are saying as short as six months. Then you need a new vaccine or goodbye Charlie.

So fill yourself full of shit and get rid of your own immune system is not a smart way to go.

I wonder who will have to pay for all the new shoots???????????????????


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"SPI-M-O considers slowing importation of new variants, such as B.1.351, into the UK a very important priority to allow for the next generation of vaccines to be developed. Whilst new vaccines can be developed, this will likely take many months. Measures to prevent and manage importation risks such as testing individuals, sequencing samples, and maintaining strict quarantine measures for those entering the country will remain important and may delay the spread of variants of concern. 64. It is highly likely that new vaccines will be required in the medium term; preparation for this requirement as well as measures to extend the period before said new vaccines are deployed will reduce the risk of a major surge in hospitalisations. 65. While SPI-M-O agree that the emergence and spread of some variants would be highly likely to cause issues for future relaxation plans, the committee cannot say when any reconsideration of relaxations may be required. This would entirely depend on the characteristics of the variant of concern at the time"
 
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naegling62

Veteran Member
What a laugh. From what I read these vaccines are only good for a fairly short time. Some are saying as short as six months. Then you need a new vaccine or goodbye Charlie.

So fill yourself full of shit and get rid of your own immune system is not a smart way to go.

That's what I'm reading also.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Here’s the fundamental truth of immunity:

One can NEVER get the same bug twice. The immune system will destroy it immediately. However, virii mutate. The immune system won’t do as well against mutations. That’s why the common cold has no cure.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
Here’s the fundamental truth of immunity:

One can NEVER get the same bug twice. The immune system will destroy it immediately. However, virii mutate. The immune system won’t do as well against mutations. That’s why the common cold has no cure.
So, if one has had covid then there is zero purpose to getting the covid vax. The goal is to keep forcing boosters on people. There's evil behind it. Meanwhile, more fully immunized people die of covid. The feds keep saying you can still get covid after being vaccinated but won't have to go to the hospital. The evidence is mounting now that these don't do what they are saying.
 
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naegling62

Veteran Member
So, if one has had covid then there is zero purpose to getting the covid vax. The goal is to keep forcing boosters on people. There's evil behind it. Meanwhile, more fully immunized people die of covid. The feds keep saying you can still get it covid after being vaccinated but won't have to go to the hospital. The evidence is mounting now that these don't do what they are saying.
The government tells us the troops are there in DC to protect us from overweight guys in ill fitting plate carriers with don't tread on me Trump flags. Cliff thinks they are there for the alien reveal in June. I think they are there because soon we will find out the truth of the mRNA vaccine side effects. In my opinion we're halfway through the movie.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Here’s the fundamental truth of immunity:

One can NEVER get the same bug twice. The immune system will destroy it immediately. However, virii mutate. The immune system won’t do as well against mutations. That’s why the common cold has no cure.

I thought I had read somewhere that the common cold is caused by a corona virus.
Does that mean that covid will have no cure either?
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
I thought I had read somewhere that the common cold is caused by a corona virus.
Does that mean that covid will have no cure either?
Probably. But if it is indeed engineered, it can be reverse engineered. Which means you MAY be able to “cure” it. Or what it started as.

However, as Dennis pointed out, the “job” of a virus is to mutate. So, yeah verily (or whatever) it is now something that cannot be reverse engineered because it’s out mutating as fast as it can.

These are just my opinions based on what I know from micro on viruses and a WAG on what might be done in a lab. I have little knowledge of genetic engineering.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
That's the English I'm reading. You know that was the problem with SARS Cov-1, immunity lead to death in the test animals when presented with the virus in round 2.

THAT is exactly what all the scientists / doctors who have been issuing WARNINGS about the Covid shot had SAID would happen.

(those who've read those threads already know this; posting the obvious for those who thought, "Oh, another nutcase", and passed those threads by....)
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
SHOCKING: Newly-released data shows over 56,000 reports of adverse events following COVID injections
by: Sara Middleton, staff writer | April 19, 2021

(NaturalHealth365) Did you know “healthcare providers are required by law” to report certain adverse events to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) operated by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)? The emphasis above — underlined and bolded — comes directly from the HHS website, which has become immensely popular since the COVID shot rollout began in the United States.

Immensely popular, of course, but still grossly underutilized. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), fewer than 20% of healthcare providers report to VAERS. This data comes from an old 2005 survey, so we can only hope now that the COVID injection craze is on in full, more providers are sounding the alarm on the thousands and thousands of adverse events occurring after their patients get the jab. But as anyone involved in a drug experiment would wonder: how many more of these adverse events will occur … and how many are being dismissed, missed, or downplayed?

U.S. government alerted to thousands of deaths, serious injuries, adverse events reported within days, weeks following COVID injections

The Children’s Health Defense recently reported that as of April 9, 2021, there have been 56,869 reported adverse events following the COVID shot, “including 2,342 deaths and 7,971 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020, and April 1, 2021.” More recently (April 13), the CDC announced on their website that reported deaths since December 2020 have climbed to 3,005.

Of course, mainstream media, pro-jab healthcare providers, and public health officials are quick to dismiss these reported adverse events, citing that just because these events are reported doesn’t prove they were caused by the COVID injection. This is true and important to keep in mind. However, it should be noted that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) stated in a December 2020 briefing document on the Pfizer COVID jab that there is “currently insufficient data to make conclusions about the safety of the vaccine in subpopulations such as children less than 16 years of age, pregnant and lactating individuals, and immunocompromised individuals.”

It would follow, then, that the reports of adverse events in VAERS should be thoroughly investigated and contribute to data clarifying the true safety of these experimental drugs. And yes, even the FDA itself nods to the value of VAERS when it calls for the continued use of “active and passive safety surveillance” of these drugs. So, should we really be so dismissive of these thousands of reported events?

By the way, VAERS has gained some notoriety for being a bit clunky and not very user-friendly. But, in case you were curious, the CDC offers step-by-step instructions on their website – including instructions here.


Here’s what the FDA had to say back in December 2020 about the potential problems with a massive COVID shot rollout
In the same December 2020 briefing referred to above, the FDA also admitted to some alarming limitations of this ongoing national experiment.

  • Use of the COVID jab “in large numbers of individuals may reveal additional, potentially less frequent and/or more serious adverse events not detected” in trials (trials which were notably compromised by the unblinding of placebo groups)
  • The risk of “vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies,” which refers to the phenomenon that people who got the COVID jabs may actually have a WORSE response if exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the future
This is a massive national rollout of experimental and unapproved drugs. Continue to do your own research. Be curious about why some are so willing to downplay or minimize reports of adverse effects. Ultimately, it is up to each and every one of us to make informed decisions about our own healthcare.

Sources for this article include:

Childrenshealthdefense.org
VAERS.HHS.gov
VAERS.HHS.gov
CDC.gov
CDC.gov
CDC.gov
FDA.gov

 

raven

TB Fanatic
Did you know “healthcare providers are required by law” to report certain adverse events to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) operated by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)?

According to the CDC, fewer than 20% of healthcare providers report to VAERS.

You must wear a mask and social distance and lock down.
Healthcare providers are not required to follow the law for reporting.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
Did you know “healthcare providers are required by law” to report certain adverse events to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) operated by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)?

According to the CDC, fewer than 20% of healthcare providers report to VAERS.

You must wear a mask and social distance and lock down.
Healthcare providers are not required to follow the law for reporting.

You may be right, raven, but I was always told only 1-10% get reported and it was voluntary
 

Chapulin

Veteran Member
We started with a model that predicted vaccinated people would flood hospitals. Haven't we proven that models are based on assumptions? I can't find stories outside of here that say this is happening any where in the US. We are relaxing the restrictions and sending kids back to school which is causing some new cases in unprotected people to spike partially because of the new variants. We haven't said the vaccines don't last longer than 6 months because we don't have a good sample size longer than 6 months. So far even the trial vaccine cases are showing protection continues. We knew this vaccine would kill and maim people, but so far the numbers are within predictions. The big picture is the vaccines are protecting people and keeping them out of the hospitals. As we work toward getting more people vaccinated the standard masks, distances and cleaning will continue to flatten the curve.
 

Mprepared

Veteran Member
Online friend I told about getting the J and J vaccine who had a heart attack, they put stents in and sent her home. Nine days later was back with another heart attack. I am not sure what they did then, but sent her back home and 2 days later she had her 3rd heart attack and is in the hospital now. No way this is from stress or eating bad. Something going on in her body, but who knows.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
That video ( with Geert not the one mentioned above me) was excellent. Well worth the watch. I saved it, hopefully it wont disappear. While I hate masks I am not convinced they don’t work. Why? Because we had no flu this year. I saw a whopping two cases all winter. ER is usually full with it. So either people washed their hands better, or the social distancing helped, or the mask helped, or all 3. Or what we did partially worked for the flu, and the pandemic would have been worse.

Anyway, just as a side note, my mom is now on permanent O2, 4L and now has pulmonary fibrosis that started 3 days after her second moderna shot. I don’t believe in coincidence. she was already immune suppressed because of her RA. 4 th listed side effect, autoimmune disorders On the Moderna side effect list. I did one shot of the Pfizer, not going for the second one. Hopefully my immune response is still 50% effective...maybe.

She was trying to do the right thing so no blame on her taking it. But even when I went to the web pages for Pulmonary Fibrosis they are STILL recommending it for the immune suppressed people. Bet that changes soon.
 
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bassgirl

Veteran Member
SHOCKING: Newly-released data shows over 56,000 reports of adverse events following COVID injections
by: Sara Middleton, staff writer | April 19, 2021

(NaturalHealth365) Did you know “healthcare providers are required by law” to report certain adverse events to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) operated by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)? The emphasis above — underlined and bolded — comes directly from the HHS website, which has become immensely popular since the COVID shot rollout began in the United States.

Immensely popular, of course, but still grossly underutilized. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), fewer than 20% of healthcare providers report to VAERS. This data comes from an old 2005 survey, so we can only hope now that the COVID injection craze is on in full, more providers are sounding the alarm on the thousands and thousands of adverse events occurring after their patients get the jab. But as anyone involved in a drug experiment would wonder: how many more of these adverse events will occur … and how many are being dismissed, missed, or downplayed?

U.S. government alerted to thousands of deaths, serious injuries, adverse events reported within days, weeks following COVID injections

The Children’s Health Defense recently reported that as of April 9, 2021, there have been 56,869 reported adverse events following the COVID shot, “including 2,342 deaths and 7,971 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020, and April 1, 2021.” More recently (April 13), the CDC announced on their website that reported deaths since December 2020 have climbed to 3,005.

Of course, mainstream media, pro-jab healthcare providers, and public health officials are quick to dismiss these reported adverse events, citing that just because these events are reported doesn’t prove they were caused by the COVID injection. This is true and important to keep in mind. However, it should be noted that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) stated in a December 2020 briefing document on the Pfizer COVID jab that there is “currently insufficient data to make conclusions about the safety of the vaccine in subpopulations such as children less than 16 years of age, pregnant and lactating individuals, and immunocompromised individuals.”

It would follow, then, that the reports of adverse events in VAERS should be thoroughly investigated and contribute to data clarifying the true safety of these experimental drugs. And yes, even the FDA itself nods to the value of VAERS when it calls for the continued use of “active and passive safety surveillance” of these drugs. So, should we really be so dismissive of these thousands of reported events?

By the way, VAERS has gained some notoriety for being a bit clunky and not very user-friendly. But, in case you were curious, the CDC offers step-by-step instructions on their website – including instructions here.


Here’s what the FDA had to say back in December 2020 about the potential problems with a massive COVID shot rollout
In the same December 2020 briefing referred to above, the FDA also admitted to some alarming limitations of this ongoing national experiment.

  • Use of the COVID jab “in large numbers of individuals may reveal additional, potentially less frequent and/or more serious adverse events not detected” in trials (trials which were notably compromised by the unblinding of placebo groups)
  • The risk of “vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies,” which refers to the phenomenon that people who got the COVID jabs may actually have a WORSE response if exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus in the future
This is a massive national rollout of experimental and unapproved drugs. Continue to do your own research. Be curious about why some are so willing to downplay or minimize reports of adverse effects. Ultimately, it is up to each and every one of us to make informed decisions about our own healthcare.

Sources for this article include:

Childrenshealthdefense.org
VAERS.HHS.gov
VAERS.HHS.gov
CDC.gov
CDC.gov
CDC.gov
FDA.gov


3000 deaths reported and still handing it out. But 7 people with blood clots gets the J&J shelved.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
3000 deaths reported and still handing it out. But 7 people with blood clots gets the J&J shelved.

I really, literally do think that it was more then 7. And I cannot remember who it was that posted here about the family in NC, or SC, about the 4 yo that was in the trials for kids, it was J&J, and the child died after a 2nd shot...blood clots. Absolutely devastating.

Also, the only 2 have caused blood clots as well...so, what is up with this? Oh, never mind . . .
 
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