FOOD Report food & grocery shortages / price increases here: 2024 Edition

summerthyme

Administrator
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LOL! Yeah, we're getting there, aren't we!

DS has been saying it's nearly time to install a gate at the end of our driveway. It actually looks like the driveway belongs to a neighboring house that's right on the road, and none of our buildings are visible from the place the gate would be.

Most people would never know we're back there, unless they trespass (locked gate and electric fences with 6000 volts... if someone DOES come through, we can assume they mean (nefarious) business, and react accordingly)

Summerthyme
 

Taco Salad

Contributing Member
The local WalMart has flat cut corned beef marked down to $2.00/lb, so I bought several of them. They were right next to the non-sale ones, at 5.48/lb. It freezes extremely well.
They haven't been marked down yet here but I'm watching close. We usually stack them up in the freezer this time of year because it's something that we all like. Flat cuts for the crock pot or smoker and point cuts for the grinder.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
They haven't been marked down yet here but I'm watching close. We usually stack them up in the freezer this time of year because it's something that we all like. Flat cuts for the crock pot or smoker and point cuts for the grinder.
If your WalMart is like mine, the mark down may never happen. This is the first time, ever, that they've been marked down, here.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
The sales have been wonderful here this week, so I'm stocking up. Fred Meyer (which is a Kroger store) has whole chicken at .79/lb with dig coupon, and ham at .99/lb so I bought the limit of both. I don't have room in either of my freezers for them so I'm cooking, deboning, and freeze drying the meat. Having a freeze dryer is the way to go since you're not limited to freezer space. IMHO the investment in buying one more than saves enough money to make it worthwhile.
 

mudlogger

Veteran Member
I'm now a Harvest Right distributor, and had to order three (plus one for me) and I pretty much
have all three spoken for. They're really backed up in shipping, but at least they sent an email
saying they haven't forgotten me.

Ahem, they also drop ship, and if you're out of Virginia, there wouldn't be sales tax, saving some dollahs.

I'm so excited.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
There is a harvest right being offered privately close to us. Used period They're asking $2,100
I'm now a Harvest Right distributor, and had to order three (plus one for me) and I pretty much
have all three spoken for. They're really backed up in shipping, but at least they sent an email
saying they haven't forgotten me.

There is a harvest right being offered for sale as a used unit very close to us. They're asking 2100 dollars. According to the pictures with the listing it was manufactured in 2021. I am very torn as to whether it's worthwhile to lay out that much money for a three-year-old unit comma but on the other hand it might have been very lightly used.

As pointed out though when you encounter a really good sale particularly with meats or something it could be worth its weight and gold. The juice for the freeze dryer only last while your processing the food comma wears with a freezer depending on how fast you used things up you could be paying the electric bill on that for the next eighteen months or longer.

RR
 

mudlogger

Veteran Member
The power cost per batch is apparently between 1.50 and 2.00 per batch. I know the new ones ship with a new, better pump but I don't know when they started shipping new machines with it. I've been watching a lot of these guys

https://www.youtube.com/@freezedriedbusiness

https://www.youtube.com/@live.life.simple.

The medium size is what suits most families best, and their price is 2895...my price will be 2745 so adding the VA sales tax puts us right about 2895

Drop shipping costs 100 and I will pay that.

I know an older German Baptist couple that have one still in the box...they've had it several years.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
There is a harvest right being offered privately close to us. Used period They're asking $2,100


There is a harvest right being offered for sale as a used unit very close to us. They're asking 2100 dollars. According to the pictures with the listing it was manufactured in 2021. I am very torn as to whether it's worthwhile to lay out that much money for a three-year-old unit comma but on the other hand it might have been very lightly used.

As pointed out though when you encounter a really good sale particularly with meats or something it could be worth its weight and gold. The juice for the freeze dryer only last while your processing the food comma wears with a freezer depending on how fast you used things up you could be paying the electric bill on that for the next eighteen months or longer.

RR

You didn't mention the size of the used FD for sale, but my recommendation would be to skip the used one and get a new medium size one. They're $2895 on sale at Harvest Right, come with the premier pump (which is what I have) and that includes free shipping. They have monthly payment plans available too if you need to do it that way. The peace of mind from having a new machine with warranty plus all of the accessories that come with it is well worth the small difference in price between the used and new cost IMHO.

I realize that you could pressure can meats and veggies for less cost, but they don't last as long that way, they don't retain as much nutritional value as FD foods, and they don't maintain their texture as nicely either. I for one can't stand the mealy texture of pressure canned chicken, but everything I freeze dry reconstitutes back to "freshly made" state!
 

Nocm

Member
Be Very, Very careful when thinking about buying a used Harvest Right Freeze Dryer. I am constantly seeing fraudulent posts about units for sale supposedly sold close by but are really posted from across the country and made to look like a local ad. A too good to be true type of ad. Especially on Craig's List. Just send us the money and we will meet somewhere or I'll ship it to you.

Buy new. It's worth the money and the peace of mind knowing that you are getting an up to date unit with the most recent technology/programming (which have the bugs worked out of it) which is much easier to use than the older programming. Plus there is a warranty with it.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
It was listed as a seven tray unit, and yes I'm aware of the out of area posting scams. We see a lot of them around here relating to vehicles, and also some of the county swaps have "free meat" postings listed. You have to click on a link to sign up to get in the queue. It's just a Intel Gathering ploy. There is no free meat giveaway etc. Just fake pictures.

RR
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
The sales have been wonderful here this week, so I'm stocking up. Fred Meyer (which is a Kroger store) has whole chicken at .79/lb with dig coupon, and ham at .99/lb so I bought the limit of both. I don't have room in either of my freezers for them so I'm cooking, deboning, and freeze drying the meat. Having a freeze dryer is the way to go since you're not limited to freezer space. IMHO the investment in buying one more than saves enough money to make it worthwhile.
Whole chicken at a good price is one thing that I miss. Most chickens run about $1.69/lb, here. A few years ago, there would be a few sales at .49/lb, where I'd stock up the freezer.

One grocery store, about 15 miles away, is fairly OK on price, when whole chickens are on sale. The problem is that they run a one day sale, sent out as an email message on the day of the sale. If only they would send out the email a day or so earlier, people could then plan to do their shopping.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
Now the case of 12 Orgain is up to 37.79 at Vita Cost 35. Something on Amazon with 5% off for subscribing. Just last year I was paying 23.95 on Amazon.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Dollar Tree is raising their prices again. I use to shop there a lot when I was really stocking up. Since the first price increase I don't shop there regularly, although there are some things that are still reasonable. We'll see whether or not they are with the new increases.

One thing I buy there is facial tissue, I don't go through a box very often though. I've never been one to buy their frozen food, mostly from chyna.
 

Carlyblue

Veteran Member
There is a country store a few towns away from me. They posted this on Facebook a few days ago:
Chocolate Public Service Announcement
We are all tired of seeing prices of things going up and up, so I wanted to share that if you like chocolate chips, you need to stock up now. We order chocolate chips in 50 pound boxes, and I just discovered our future boxes are $120-$175 more per box than before. That means the prices are essentially doubling.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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There is a country store a few towns away from me. They posted this on Facebook a few days ago:
Chocolate Public Service Announcement
We are all tired of seeing prices of things going up and up, so I wanted to share that if you like chocolate chips, you need to stock up now. We order chocolate chips in 50 pound boxes, and I just discovered our future boxes are $120-$175 more per box than before. That means the prices are essentially doubling.
Cocoa prices have skyrocketed to over $9,000 per ton... Up 180% in 6 months! If you aren't stocked on your favorite chocolate products now, better get busy!

Summerthyme
 

Marseydoats

Veteran Member
Not food --- but I've been to 3 places trying to get windshield wipers for my truck, which is a common vehicle that everybody has, and nobody has any.
I had to go to Bass Pro today and they had very limited stock on coats. Husband is impossible to fit and they are the only place that has things he can wear. The ladies hunting clothes have always been in the back before you get to the boats, and there were none at all. After I walked around 3 times, I gave up. I needed a new coat for myself as well, but no luck. Also they only had part of the lights on and the entire store was dark. I had a hard time reading size tags. And usually 6 salesclerks will start annoying you the second you set foot in the store. I didn't see a single one...
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
$6 a pound for their ground beef. I have severe food allergies and I can't eat meat from the store.
My DW & I discovered WHICH preservative that is used in the US but not elsewhere, that makes her sick
BHA/BHT, which is illegal in MANY countries, including Canada.

Since we are aware of it, we were able to source products without BHA/BHT

About BHA/BHT:
What are the health concerns of BHA and BHT?


Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) and butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) are used as preservatives in a variety of personal care products. Both of these chemicals are also used as preservatives in foods. These chemicals are linked to several health concerns including endocrine disruption and organ-system toxicity.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My only vice in life is diet pepsi. It is impossible to buy in the 2 liter size at any nearby WalMart. One WM store has been out for 5 weeks. Publix carries it but their regular price is 4$ a bottle. Even at that price they only have 2 or 3 bottles in stock. I may have to give it up.
What?!
Diet Pepsi is the only one we have that DOESNT go out of stock at the stores here.
It’s usually Diet Coke that has weird shortages now and again!
Amd I’ve never seen prices like 4$ for a two liter, ever.
Our vice, is diet Coke!

I call it DH’s Elixir of life lol.
It’s ridiculous those prices!
 

Peanut

Resident Pit Yorkie :)
Meijer has joined the double digit price for the refrigerator meal of Beef Tips, DH likes. It's priced out of my range now at $10.49.

I figured VG's and Kroger would be in that price range, but for Meijer's to join them is disturbing on many levels. Bodes very bad for the economy. Bodes very bad for the beef market (that's been killing off lots of cattle in freezing events and fires).

Noticed eggs are up in price at Meijer as well.

Had been getting them from Market Wagon (small farmer group that delivers to your door), but they raised the delivery price so high I threw my cards down on the table in despair and walked away from Market Wagon.

Found a guy down the road that sells eggs, but the 5 dozen I got from him all floated when I went to make hard boiled eggs. ALL five dozen, so I won't be getting eggs from him again.

Hate getting them from the grocery store, but I don't have the energy to raise them myself.

Anyway, prices are horrible and getting worse all the way around.
I don't know if all Meijer stores have Flashfood, but it is worth exploring. They mark close-to-date items 50% off. Check the Flashfood app around 9am-ish. Some great deals to be had, my freezer is FULL.

Farmstand eggs. Please be VERY careful about purchasing eggs this way unless you know the people actually have enough chickens to produce the quantity they sell. Let me share a little story. First off, I work at a Meijer so I have 1st person experience. In my state one must have an egg license issued by the state's agriculture dept. There are 2 types of licenses, one is a full license. A full license allows an entity to purchase eggs from somewhere and sell them at their location....this includes farmstands!!!! Customer XXX will buy 40 dozen eggs every 2 or 3 days and sells them at farmer's markets. Says they are cage-free and leads people to believe they come from his farm. Yes, he is buying cage-free eggs from us so that's not a lie. He also does this at the Walmart down the street. Sometimes he still has the previous egg purchase in his truck-puke!

eta: Flashfood in 1st paragraph.
 

Loretta Van Riet

Trying to hang out with the cool kids.
My DW & I discovered WHICH preservative that is used in the US but not elsewhere, that makes her sick
BHA/BHT, which is illegal in MANY countries, including Canada.

Since we are aware of it, we were able to source products without BHA/BHT

About BHA/BHT:
What are the health concerns of BHA and BHT?


Butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) and butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) are used as preservatives in a variety of personal care products. Both of these chemicals are also used as preservatives in foods. These chemicals are linked to several health concerns including endocrine disruption and organ-system toxicity.
May I ask where your sources are?
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I am heaing about egg shortages all across you tube and the internet — but there is no shortage of the edible gems inside the Barry family chicken coop.

I just donated four dozen to a local church for this afternoon’s Easter Egg hunt.
DH use to give his eggs away, that's when we were getting 8 dozen a week. Then all our chickens disappeared and we got none. Last fall he bought 20 pullets, three died and one was a rooster, and then a few weeks ago a fellow gave him 10 hens and one rooster. so now he is getting a dozen a day. He sells them for $2 a dozen on Wednesday nights at church. The two dollars helps with the cost of feed.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I'm glad he's charging *something* for your eggs! You can still (discreetly) not charge people who you know are having a hard time, but in general, people don't value what they get for free. And the days of "chicken feed" being a metaphor for "cheap" are long gone!

Have you considered "hiring" your friend Morgan's oldest kid (or two) to help you around the house and homestead? I don't know their ages, but even pre-teens can be useful... they've got young legs! An hour or two a week could give them an introduction to the world of working for someone besides family, and a small wage (maybe $5 an hour, plus a couple dozen eggs, or other stuff with value) can give them an immense amount of pride.

As far as food prices, they won't be going down. Anything with sugar, chocolate or vanilla is going to jump even more than it already has. I used to buy the big bags of assorted mini candy bars at Wal-Mart... hubby enjoyed having a couple while watching TV in the evening. Well, I don't know what they changed in the recipes over the past 2 years, but they are very nearly inedible! And worse, they give us both indigestion.

There's about 3/4s of a bag left from last fall, and I'm trying to figure out how to feed them to the pigs when we get them. Yeah, they are that bad!

As I told hubby, once the stash of the good Aldi's stuff gets depleted, we'll be resorting to homemade chocolate treats. They haven't raised their prices yet on their Choceur brand of chocolate bars, BUT, they now have hazelnut butter in them... I'm sure it replaced expensive cocoa butter. They still taste good to us, so I continue to stock them for now. But the price is currently at my acceptable limit, so once it is increased, they'll go into the "very rare holiday treat" category!

But I've got what should be a lifetime supply of top quality baking cocoa, chocolate chips, vanilla extract and sugar. We won't feel deprived!

Summerthyme
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
May I ask where your sources are?
Sources of?
About BHA/BHT? Their illegality in other countries?


FoodCuratedCanada

5 food additives that are banned in Canada but not in the United States​


Al Sciola

Jan 23 2023, 3:38 pm



5 food additives that are banned in Canada but not in the United States | Dished



Remistudio/Shutterstock | Vermont Art/Shutterstock

There are roughly 500 food additives that have been permitted by Health Canada over the years.

From aspartame-based sweeteners in soda to sodium nitrites in cold cuts, potentially harmful chemical additives and dyes can be found in every aisle of your local grocery store. But how do we compare to our neighbours down south when it comes to regulating these additives?
Well, it turns out that Canada’s list of banned ingredients is considerably longer than America’s.

Here are five ingredients that are FDA-approved but deemed unsafe to consume by Health Canada.
It’s important to note that, while these ingredients are banned in Canada, they may still be present in imported food products from the United States. Consumers should be aware of these ingredients and get in the habit of reading labels before purchasing products.

Potassium Bromate​




Commonly used in bagels and hamburgers buns, potassium bromate, which is used to bleach dough and give it elasticity, has been linked to kidney, nervous system, and thyroid problems, as well as cancer.


Since being approved in the 1960s, potassium bromate has not been reviewed by the FDA since 1973.



It is banned in many countries, including Canada, the European Union, and China.


Olestra​


Initially used in potato chips under the WOW brand by Frito-Lay, Olestra was accidentally discovered in the late 1960s by a pair of Procter & Gamble researchers. The fat substitute was later proven to reduce fat-soluble vitamins in the body, preventing a person from absorbing vitamins from healthy carotenoids found in fruits and vegetables. It’s also linked to diarrhea, cramps, and gas.


While approved in the United States in 1996, the artificial trans fat is banned in Canada.



Ractopamine​


According to the Canadian Pork Council, Canada’s federally inspected processing plants, which produce 97% of Canadian pork, require hogs sold to market to be “Ractopamine free.”


Additionally, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) guarantees that the pork exported from Canada comes from pigs that have never been fed ractopamine or otherwise exposed to it. This is not the case in the United States.









BHA and BHT




Butylated Hydroxytoluene (BHT) and the related Butylated Hydroxyanisole (BHA) are preservatives that keep food and other perishable products fresh. Often used in breakfast cereals, The International Agency for Research on Cancer classifies BHA as a possible human carcinogen.



The FDA considers BHA to be safe for use in food when the total of antioxidants is not greater than 0.02% of fat or oil content.


While you shouldn’t find it on Canadian grocery shelves, small amounts are still permitted in cosmetics sold here.

rBGH




According to the American Cancer Society, Recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) is a “synthetic (man-made) hormone that is marketed to dairy farmers to increase milk production in cows.”


It was banned by Health Canada in 1999 due to concerns over animal health and welfare. While still approved in the US, demand for this product has gone down significantly in recent years.
 

Loretta Van Riet

Trying to hang out with the cool kids.
Sources of?
About BHA/BHT? Their illegality in other countries?


FoodCuratedCanada

5 food additives that are banned in Canada but not in the United States​


Al Sciola

Jan 23 2023, 3:38 pm



5 food additives that are banned in Canada but not in the United States | Dished



Remistudio/Shutterstock | Vermont Art/Shutterstock

There are roughly 500 food additives that have been permitted by Health Canada over the years.

From aspartame-based sweeteners in soda to sodium nitrites in cold cuts, potentially harmful chemical additives and dyes can be found in every aisle of your local grocery store. But how do we compare to our neighbours down south when it comes to regulating these additives?
Well, it turns out that Canada’s list of banned ingredients is considerably longer than America’s.

Here are five ingredients that are FDA-approved but deemed unsafe to consume by Health Canada.
It’s important to note that, while these ingredients are banned in Canada, they may still be present in imported food products from the United States. Consumers should be aware of these ingredients and get in the habit of reading labels before purchasing products.

Potassium Bromate​




Commonly used in bagels and hamburgers buns, potassium bromate, which is used to bleach dough and give it elasticity, has been linked to kidney, nervous system, and thyroid problems, as well as cancer.


Since being approved in the 1960s, potassium bromate has not been reviewed by the FDA since 1973.



It is banned in many countries, including Canada, the European Union, and China.


Olestra​


Initially used in potato chips under the WOW brand by Frito-Lay, Olestra was accidentally discovered in the late 1960s by a pair of Procter & Gamble researchers. The fat substitute was later proven to reduce fat-soluble vitamins in the body, preventing a person from absorbing vitamins from healthy carotenoids found in fruits and vegetables. It’s also linked to diarrhea, cramps, and gas.


While approved in the United States in 1996, the artificial trans fat is banned in Canada.



Ractopamine​


According to the Canadian Pork Council, Canada’s federally inspected processing plants, which produce 97% of Canadian pork, require hogs sold to market to be “Ractopamine free.”


Additionally, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) guarantees that the pork exported from Canada comes from pigs that have never been fed ractopamine or otherwise exposed to it. This is not the case in the United States.









BHA and BHT




Butylated Hydroxytoluene (BHT) and the related Butylated Hydroxyanisole (BHA) are preservatives that keep food and other perishable products fresh. Often used in breakfast cereals, The International Agency for Research on Cancer classifies BHA as a possible human carcinogen.



The FDA considers BHA to be safe for use in food when the total of antioxidants is not greater than 0.02% of fat or oil content.


While you shouldn’t find it on Canadian grocery shelves, small amounts are still permitted in cosmetics sold here.

rBGH




According to the American Cancer Society, Recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) is a “synthetic (man-made) hormone that is marketed to dairy farmers to increase milk production in cows.”


It was banned by Health Canada in 1999 due to concerns over animal health and welfare. While still approved in the US, demand for this product has gone down significantly in recent years.
OOPS... I meant where do you source the GOOD food.
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
OOPS... I meant where do you source the GOOD food.
LOL, wow, I missed that! LOL!
We have a butcher in the next town over that will guarantee any meat that comes from his animals is BHA/BHT free. There are Apps for your phone that you can scan the UPC code on packages in the store, and it will give you all the information you need. She uses that. I can eat anything. The DW has many problems. What brought it up is that she noticed that when we left the country, her gut problems lessened, or went away. The last time, we went up to Canada for 9 days. When we got back I put in the computer the question "What preservatives are allowed in the US, and not in Canada.

BHA/BHT was the culprit.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
So glad we get our beef, pork and chicken from a small family farm that uses no drugs, antibiotics, chemicals or crap. Range and organically feed and raised. Best tasting meat you could ask for and we personally know the folks growing our food. SCREW CORPORATE AGRIBUSINESS!!

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL FAMILY FARMERS!!
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
I'm glad he's charging *something* for your eggs! You can still (discreetly) not charge people who you know are having a hard time, but in general, people don't value what they get for free. And the days of "chicken feed" being a metaphor for "cheap" are long gone!

Have you considered "hiring" your friend Morgan's oldest kid (or two) to help you around the house and homestead? I don't know their ages, but even pre-teens can be useful... they've got young legs! An hour or two a week could give them an introduction to the world of working for someone besides family, and a small wage (maybe $5 an hour, plus a couple dozen eggs, or other stuff with value) can give them an immense amount of pride.

As far as food prices, they won't be going down. Anything with sugar, chocolate or vanilla is going to jump even more than it already has. I used to buy the big bags of assorted mini candy bars at Wal-Mart... hubby enjoyed having a couple while watching TV in the evening. Well, I don't know what they changed in the recipes over the past 2 years, but they are very nearly inedible! And worse, they give us both indigestion.

There's about 3/4s of a bag left from last fall, and I'm trying to figure out how to feed them to the pigs when we get them. Yeah, they are that bad!

As I told hubby, once the stash of the good Aldi's stuff gets depleted, we'll be resorting to homemade chocolate treats. They haven't raised their prices yet on their Choceur brand of chocolate bars, BUT, they now have hazelnut butter in them... I'm sure it replaced expensive cocoa butter. They still taste good to us, so I continue to stock them for now. But the price is currently at my acceptable limit, so once it is increased, they'll go into the "very rare holiday treat" category!

But I've got what should be a lifetime supply of top quality baking cocoa, chocolate chips, vanilla extract and sugar. We won't feel deprived!

Summerthyme
The oldest just turned 11 (boy) and the next one is not yet ten (girl). They would come and help us in a heart beat. I've mentioned it, but it hasn't happened yet. The boy came in the house the other day and I apolizied about the messy house, God bless him, he said our house is worse. Those young less can work wonders. Even the not yet 3 year old wants to help. I think when i gave him a box to carry is when he decided he loved me. Precious child. and I have no issue "buying" them with stuff or money.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
Grabbed a bag of ice for someone at Hannafords this afternoon.

$3.56 for a flippin bag of ice cubes! I'll admit that I haven't bought a bag of ice during the last decade, but I didn't think it'd be approaching $4 for a bag.
I've never bought ice, in my entire life.
 

phloydius

Veteran Member
I've never bought ice, in my entire life.

I'm in Texas. I've bought many bags of ice thru the years.

Around here people buy bags of ice for many things but two of the most common are for going out to work 'in the field' and for BBQ parties & family events. At 100F temps outside while working having a chest of ice water is basic safety.

I would note that a bag of ice price will vary greatly. Some use it as a loss leader to bring in customers on thier way to work, while other places use it as a profit center because of the convenient location. Generally you have to go out of the way a bit to get the cheapest price.

A bag of ice at HEB is now $2.08. They are generally a good average price for the region. I would note that back in the early 2000's a bag of ice was 10lbs and $0.89. Before the pandemic they were 8lbs. And now they are 7lbs.
 

hd5574

Veteran Member
When we were running out to sun city west in AZ...and back to VA...to visit DH's Dad....we always carried a lot of water....I would open the plastic bottles and pour off a inch...or so of water....then put them in the freezer on an angle....and freeze them solid.... then just before we would leave... put them in the ice chest....no ice needed ...could add some things that were perishable...we would get out bottles to drink as needed...and have ice water....at the end the trip the remaining bottles still had some ice...
No ice chest full of water ..worked kind of like blue ice but far better..and our "ice" was useable
 
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