CORP/BIZ Quiet-Quitting: Are You Doing Only What's Necessary At Work And No More?

[Blacknarwhal]

We pretend to work and they pretend to pay.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.

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Quiet-Quitting: Are You Doing Only What's Necessary At Work And No More?​

Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk.com,

Wondering why productivity is down? Think about the new phenomenon called quiet quitting...

A 17 second TikTok video on Quiet Quitting has amassed over 480,000 likes. I played it and thought "really?"

@zaidleppelin On quiet quitting #workreform ♬ original sound - ruby

Zoomers and the Extra Mile​

The Wall Street Journal comments If Your Co-Workers Are ‘Quiet Quitting,’ Here’s What That Means

The phrase is generating millions of views on TikTok as some young professionals reject the idea of going above and beyond in their careers, labeling their lesser enthusiasm a form of “quitting.”
Of course, every generation enters the workforce and quickly realizes that having a job isn’t all fun and games.
The difference now is that this group has TikTok and hashtags to emote. And these 20-somethings joined the working world during the Covid-19 pandemic, with all of its dislocating effects, including blurred boundaries between work and life. Many workers say they feel they have power to push back in the current strong labor market. Recent data from Gallup shows employee engagement is declining.
Across generations, U.S. employee engagement is falling, according to survey data from Gallup, but Gen Z and younger millennials, born in 1989 and after, reported the lowest engagement of all during the first quarter at 31%.
Jim Harter, chief scientist for Gallup’s workplace and well-being research, said workers’ descriptions of “quiet quitting” align with a large group of survey respondents that he classifies as “not engaged”—those who will show up to work and do the minimum required but not much else. More than half of workers surveyed by Gallup who were born after 1989—54%—fall into this category.

Americans Are Breaking Up With Their Work Friends​

Also consider Americans Are Breaking Up With Their Work Friends

In the months before he left his last job in 2020, Michael Trotter came to dread an end-of-day question from colleagues: Do you want to grab a drink?
“I don’t want to put in eight, nine, 10 hours and go out and have a beer—and talk about work for another four hours,” says Mr. Trotter, a 53-year-old database administrator in Cupertino, Calif.
In a recent survey of nearly 1,000 U.S. employees, relationships with co-workers tied with recognition as the least important factors in job satisfaction. (Compensation and work-life balance ranked as the most important of the 14 choices, according to online software marketplace Capterra, which conducted the survey.) Nearly two-thirds of those who had experienced high turnover at their companies said it had become less worthwhile for them to socialize and get to know colleagues.

What a Change​

This is all so different than when I was in corporate America. All I wanted to talk about after work, was work.

If a project required weekend work, guess what?

I had not even heard the term "Quiet Quitting" until today.

Yet, in many ways it seems all so understandable. The average person making the average wage cannot afford the average house.

Marriage, kids, houses, who can afford them?

Is it strange then that priorities have shifted from getting ahead to free time?

With that attitude shift, comes declining productivity.

Real Output Per Hour Improves From Second Worst on Record to Simply Miserable​

On August 9, I commented Real Output Per Hour Improves From Second Worst on Record to Simply Miserable

Perhaps productivity was really always overstated, not really capturing all the hours Boomers and Gen-Xers put in off the clock, unpaid.

Regardless, it rates to get worse as 20 million workers at retirement age will retire within a few years.

 

[WalknTrot]

Sheeeeeooooot.
I was doing that 10 years ago.
Must have been a trendsetter ahead of my time.



The difference with today's workforce is: I actually DID what was necessary.

 

[parsonswife]

yes

 

[Luddite]

Some have moved past quiet quitting to "malicious obedience".

Do exactly what they ask especially when it hurts them. ( hurts da boss or da company NOT physical harm)

 

[Meemur]

I work hard, but I socialize with my colleagues as little as possible, both on and off the job. A number of them are liberal whack jobs from other states. In some cases, Iowa really isn't the place for them.

 

[Kathy in FL]

For many a real work ethic is dead. They’ve replace it with the gods of Socialism and Communism. Do nothing but breathe and get paid for it. Do as little as possible to get by and get a raise. End of the year bonuses all around. Become a manager by bitching about how all the old farts you have to work with are slobs and make your job harder So much harder because they are so out of touch and don’t even know what real science is.

 

[Southside]

My job is just like .Gov work in Russia.

I pretend to work, They pretend to pay me.

 

[DHR43]

I've read for years that half or nearly half of a company workforce is not engaged in the priorities and objectives of their company. The stroke along, do just enough, don't do more than the minimum, etc.

Some of the places I worked at were like that. It always (ALWAYS) could be traced back to the top guy in the firm. If he was real, committed to genuine goals, appreciated and rewarded the performers and weeded out the slackers - that work force was engaged. Probably 80%+.
If he wasn't any of those, engagement was low - <30% or so.

 

[crossbowboy]

Lol.

That is all.

 

[CaryC]

Sheeeeeooooot.
I was doing that 10 years ago.
Must have been a trendsetter ahead of my time.



The difference with today's workforce is: I actually DID what was necessary.

Nope, course I was on a bonus if we went over 100% production. When I hit 200% they said nope you can't claim more than 180%. I stopped at 180%. Which in about 50% was about 3 hours before clock out.

Then they hired all new people, and yep very minimum work.

When we were going for the 180% we could do, depending on what and what all, 12 mold changes in 12 hours. Now, they are blessed if they get 3. AND they did lower the production max again, and when Goodyear bought them out they did away with all bonus all together and gave them a big raise. I wouldn't do what I did, for that either.

They hired 10 people on Monday, and by Wed. they have all quit. If they want to get the same production say 12 mold changes, they are going to have to hire a lot more people doing the same job. But instead of that, they will make more and more stuff robotic. The plant in Texarkana is as much robot as it can get.


So not only is the work force at fault, so is the company. At 200% the company was paying one man an hourly wage, and benefits and then a production bonus on top of that and they were getting their monies worth (12 mold changes). Now it will take 3-4 men doing the same job with a higher hourly rate, and no bonus, but with all the benefits of medical, 401k, etc.... to get the same production.

 

[WalknTrot]

Some have moved past quiet quitting to "malicious obedience".

Do exactly what they ask especially when it hurts them. ( hurts da boss or da company NOT physical harm)

Yikes.
Again in contrast, as an INTJ, I always practiced positive disobedience. Called it "The Rule of Three".

If the boss asked me to do something painfully, embarrassingly or downright damagingly stupid, I ignored his request until he mentioned it three times. Rarely did he asked twice, (probably/maybe because he'd taken time to think the "stupid" through to it's ultimate end?). To his credit, I don't think he ever remembered (or thought it wise) to ask for anything stupid a third time.

 

[gunwish]

I get where people are coming from. I've had jobs that the employees never go anywhere career or pay wise but are expected to learn more and take on extra job-related responsibilities. After a few years of doing what is required to get the job done. Overtime, late nights, weekends. Take on new responsibilities and stream lines processes to be more effecent. Trying to be a better employee. Getting a pat on the back, good job BS. Only to be stabbed in the back pay wise. You get the same raise as the person that doesn't show up a few days a week and is drunk on the job. Do all that and still get crapped on and called lazy by the old timers that are sitting on their ass and think that the company rules don't apply to them. So yes you reach a point that you just don't care anymore and do just enough not to get fired.

Yes I know the jobs belong to the company and that employees are hired to make money for the company. It needs to be a 2 ways street. If the company wants their employees to grow and take on more responiblity, then the pay and advancement nees to go along with it. I would overhear conversations about how a person is doing a bad job and messing up blah blah blah. Then if they are that bad of an employee then fire them.

I've never been a go out after work and hang out with my coworkers. I just spent 8, 9, 12 hours with you in a hell hole. I don't really want to be around anyone or anything work related.

I have worked for some really bad companies and may be jaded and look at things one sided. I do realize that not all places are like that.

 

[poppy]

A wise man said most people only do enough that they don't get fired and the employer only pays them enough so that they don't quit.

 

[CaryC]

I've read for years that half or nearly half of a company workforce is not engaged in the priorities and objectives of their company. The stroke along, do just enough, don't do more than the minimum, etc.

Some of the places I worked at were like that. It always (ALWAYS) could be traced back to the top guy in the firm. If he was real, committed to genuine goals, appreciated and rewarded the performers and weeded out the slackers - that work force was engaged. Probably 80%+.
If he wasn't any of those, engagement was low - <30% or so.

As a note when the company treats it's employees, as an asset, it's a good thing.

When they treat their employees as a liability, it's a bad thing.

 

[20Gauge]

We pretend to work and they pretend to pay.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.

Zerohedge

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www.zerohedge.com

Quiet-Quitting: Are You Doing Only What's Necessary At Work And No More?​

Authored by Mike Shedlock via MishTalk.com,

Wondering why productivity is down? Think about the new phenomenon called quiet quitting...

A 17 second TikTok video on Quiet Quitting has amassed over 480,000 likes. I played it and thought "really?"

Zoomers and the Extra Mile​

The Wall Street Journal comments If Your Co-Workers Are ‘Quiet Quitting,’ Here’s What That Means

Americans Are Breaking Up With Their Work Friends​

Also consider Americans Are Breaking Up With Their Work Friends

What a Change​

This is all so different than when I was in corporate America. All I wanted to talk about after work, was work.

If a project required weekend work, guess what?

I had not even heard the term "Quiet Quitting" until today.

Yet, in many ways it seems all so understandable. The average person making the average wage cannot afford the average house.

Marriage, kids, houses, who can afford them?

Is it strange then that priorities have shifted from getting ahead to free time?

With that attitude shift, comes declining productivity.

Real Output Per Hour Improves From Second Worst on Record to Simply Miserable​

On August 9, I commented Real Output Per Hour Improves From Second Worst on Record to Simply Miserable

Perhaps productivity was really always overstated, not really capturing all the hours Boomers and Gen-Xers put in off the clock, unpaid.

Regardless, it rates to get worse as 20 million workers at retirement age will retire within a few years.

I was the same. I learned better in later years.

 

[Cowgirl4christ]

For the first time in 30 years, I hold a desk job…. I sit at that desk for 8 straight hours. I’ve not been this miserable since the last time I held a desk job, 30 years ago. And I feel exactly what is described on the OP. I do a good job, but I’m checked out. This job is purposeless. I’d look for a new job but I know things are going sideways so I’ll ride the wave until I get laid off which will eventually come in my industry.

 

[Kathy in FL]

I've read for years that half or nearly half of a company workforce is not engaged in the priorities and objectives of their company. The stroke along, do just enough, don't do more than the minimum, etc.

Some of the places I worked at were like that. It always (ALWAYS) could be traced back to the top guy in the firm. If he was real, committed to genuine goals, appreciated and rewarded the performers and weeded out the slackers - that work force was engaged. Probably 80%+.
If he wasn't any of those, engagement was low - <30% or so.

Once upon a time, sure. But these days you are loyal to an employee or contractor but can pretty much guarantee you are going to get knifed in the back at some point. There is zero loyalty these days but by god if you don’t give them a year-end bonus equal to your best man, you watch the fireworks. Everything is supposed to be “fair” regardless of engagement and value as an employee.

And it all comes with the best bennies and paid holidays too.

 

[Kathy in FL]

As a note when the company treats it's employees, as an asset, it's a good thing.

When they treat their employees as a liability, it's a bad thing.

Or when bad employees think they are more important assets than they are, it can be a really big pain in the butt for everyone.

 

[EMICT]

If I had done that, my patients would have died… and since I didn’t work for the ‘undertaker’ I chose to give my all.

Be careful what you wish for, and participate in.. you might not like the end result if others follow your lead.

 

[Tex88]

Unless you own it, there's literally no company in the world worth being loyal to, be it as employee or as customer. They don't give one damp fart about you, only about how much money you're making them. Doing anything much beyond not looking like you're only putting in minimum effort is a waste of time and effort.

 

[bracketquant]

I work hard, but I socialize with my colleagues as little as possible, both on and off the job. A number of them are liberal whack jobs from other states. In some cases, Iowa really isn't the place for them.

Iowa really isn't the place for 90%+ of Americans.

Quants gotta quant.

 

[crossbowboy]

If I had done that, my patients would have died… and since I didn’t work for the ‘undertaker’ I chose to give my all.

Be careful what you wish for, and participate in.. you might not like the end result if others follow your lead.

Your gig is different, and you know it.

Posted with all the respect due to you as a saver of lives.

Some of us have the ability to use monkey wrenches, aiming to misbehave - and sleep better at night for it.

We all have our roles.

 

[CaryC]

Once upon a time, sure. But these days you are loyal to an employee or contractor but can pretty much guarantee you are going to get knifed in the back at some point. There is zero loyalty these days but by god if you don’t give them a year-end bonus equal to your best man, you watch the fireworks. Everything is supposed to be “fair” regardless of engagement and value as an employee.

And it all comes with the best bennies and paid holidays too.

Yea I get that.

We got a lot of bad eyes for sitting on our butte's for the last 3 hours. On those days when we got to stop early because we had our 180%.

So what are you running?

About 30%.

Well run 150% more and you can sit around too.

And its different with office type people too without a production bonus. I'm just a blue collar worker.

But I still hold that with considering your employees as an asset, instead of a liability (a debt to the company) it will go along way, and yes even then, you'll have scum bags.

 

[Kathy in FL]

I love our employees. Treat them like family. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been stabbed in the back and verbally slapped in the face. And we don’t hire many because of this. We’ve helped the addicts, the drunks, the deadbeat dads, the down on their luck … and contractors just started their business, etc. We pay them the day a job gets completed or the day we receive their invoice.

But honest to gawd, there are some people that will screw their crap up just to prove they can. General handymen get paid $17/hour or by the job. Most want the $17/hour because they think they can stretch those little jobs out and rush the big jobs. We have two guys who have opted to be paid by the job. One is something that has worked with us for going on 15 years. Last couple of years he’s just not into completing as many jobs per week as we offer him and complains about not making enough. Then he complained when we started working with another contractor to catch up on the jobs he never could get around to in a timely manner. This guy is 60-something and told up front he only wanted to work part time. Clint gets more work done working part time than the other guy gets done working “full time”.

So the other day I stopped and picked Clint up a sandwich and drink and took it to a AC job he was doing that required crawling around in a hot as hades attic space. I did mention that the guy was 60-something right? Down the road I went and saw the other guy was changing out a mailbox lock so I stopped and handed him the kind of tea I know he drinks and carried on to take some supplies to another unit that was being reno’d. I later caught a couple of tenants repeating some stuff that was said by the 2nd guy … people forget I look cracker but understand Spanish better than average. Basically 2nd guy will “show us” for treating Clint better. See how fast work gets done and if he answers the phone for an emergency blipping blip blah.

Ask me again if I give a crap when someone whines about how bad they have it and how they can run things better. They can go start their own job and find out they aren’t the ones that matter all the time, the customers are.

 

[EMICT]

Your gig is different, and you know it.

Posted with all the respect due to you as a saver of lives.

Some of us have the ability to use monkey wrenches, aiming to misbehave - and sleep better at night for it.

We all have our roles.

Yea, but why should we be the exception when everyone else is phuckung off? You can’t pick and choose who gives less than their all… unless you’re a liberal.

 

[Luddite]

If the boss asked me to do something painfully, embarrassingly or downright damagingly stupid, I ignored his request until he mentioned it three times. Rarely did he asked twice,

I have a clear conscience rule. I have truly attempted to respectfully help my supervisor. After several snide comments or disrespect, he gets what he wants now.

I would never follow a dumb instruction without someone else witnessing the exchange. Sometimes someone after-the-fact will tell him how much money his poor decision cost. On his own he couldn't figure it out or he is too overwhelmed to care. Not my problem.

I really feel bad for him, some people are untrainable.

 

[Meemur]

Iowa really isn't the place for 90%+ of Americans.

Quants gotta quant.

Exactly! Don't move here, ever!

(This is one of the most awesome places I've ever lived, and I don't want idiots from California
moving here and ruining it.)

 

[Southside]

My job is just like .Gov work in Russia.

I pretend to work, They pretend to pay me.

I do want to add, though, I get ALL the vacation time I want, up to 4 months/year.
I take 6 weeks to 3 months(usually closer to the 6 weeks), depending on what I can schedule. Now that uncle has "clipped my wings" I am more limited.

A wise man said most people only do enough that they don't get fired and the employer only pays them enough so that they don't quit.

Absolute truth!

 

[dstraito]

I have experienced it all in Corporate America.

It really is an inefficient system.

I have worked with dedicated people who loved what they did and people that did not care. I have seen the abuse of the H1B workers and the realization that corporate short term goals were to maximize profits for the corp.

There was no loyalty.


I realized salary raises were not based on merit but on popularity. How well you got along with the boss.

I worked at one co where in June, they told us we had to work a min of 65 hours a week while getting paid for 40. We usually ended up working 80+ hours a week.

At the end of 2016, I was working remote as was my lead and the VP of our division. They announced no more remote work and told me I would have to work in office. Since I moved 200 miles away, that was not an option so that was the end of my corporate carrer.

 

[ChicagoMan74]

I dare say this attitude has accelerated BIGLY once Millenials and GenZr's reached the age necessary to enter the workforce. The thing is...most of them were never really showed up with a real work ethic anyway. They were bred with an entitlement mindset EXPECTING life to hand them something for nothing...EXPECTING that, within a year or 2...that they ascend from an entry level salary to a six figure income.

Also there is something about respecting authority that is quite lacking these days...its a Judeo-Christian concept...but it rings true. Yeah there are bad bosses...but there are more bad employees. I can't control someone else's actions or attitudes...I can only control mine. I sleep better at night knowing that I'm accountable for MY own actions and will reap the consequences for them.

 

[crossbowboy]

Yea, but why should we be the exception when everyone else is phuckung off? You can’t pick and choose who gives less than their all… unless you’re a liberal.

You highlight the primary error of socialism.

Your vocation is of a value far higher than that of the average merchant.
I sell home furnishings.

Nobody's life depends on the things I do.

I admire you for sacrificing your time in ways that I could not afford.

Or maybe I was just afraid.

 

[EMICT]

You highlight the primary error of socialism.

Your vocation is of a value far higher than that of the average merchant.
I sell home furnishings.

Nobody's life depends on the things I do.

I admire you for sacrificing your time in ways that I could not afford.

Or maybe I was just afraid.

One has to be careful in what they promote, even if it feels good at the time of promotion within one's bubble, even though I do understand the abuse folks have endured for centuries working for the 'man'. Child labor laws, hours worked, and other 'laws' that resulted from such abuse.

 

[DHR43]

I read recently that just over half of the baby boomers have already retired. Many of them are conscientious, hard working, show up and make the necessary effort each day, etc.


Every wee, more of these engaged workers retire. They're replaced often by disengaged and lazy people.

True story?

 

[Milkweed Host]

As of the 14th of his month, I resigned from all three school districts I drove bus.
The pay sucked, but I really liked driving a bus on trips.

In police work, I've seen all kinds of crap where co-workers try to get out of working.
One officer crashed his squad attempting to drive in the opposite direction of a call.
His squad, which was no longer drivable and had to be towed away on a flatbed.
He blamed the cause of the accident on a mystery object in the road, that disappeared.

We had a burglary in progress of a private residence. There were several officers on duty
but none responded. It took eight hours for someone to respond to the scene.

One more. Many years ago while I doing some flying in Kentucky, an assault was reported
in one of the smaller towns (Minnesota). The city officer refused to handle it. A county
deputy was then dispatched. The county deputy put in his report that this assault call should
have been given to me while I was in Kentucky. The sheriff and chief deputy were so taken back
by the deputy's thinking, he was called into the office for a meeting.

I was in the office when the chief deputy exited the sheriff's office. I think that I was sitting at
the chief deputy's desk(LOL)........Anyway, this deputy explained that the reason I should have
handled the call was because, upon my return from Kentucky, I should have gone through all
the files on the chief's desk and handled anything that needed any investigation.
I was just a road deputy there, but I handled all the crime scene processing in the county and
flew a fixed wing aircraft for the county.

This county already had two investigators.


Most people are simply lazy and the system tolerates it, but I think it's always been that way.

 

[EMICT]

As of the 14th of his month, I resigned from all three school districts I drove bus.
The pay sucked, but I really liked driving a bus on trips.

In police work, I've seen all kinds of crap where co-workers try to get out of working.
One officer crashed his squad attempting to drive in the opposite direction of a call.
His squad, which was no longer drivable and had to be towed away on a flatbed.
He blamed the cause of the accident on a mystery object in the road, that disappeared.

We had a burglary in progress of a private residence. There were several officers on duty
but none responded. It took eight hours for someone to respond to the scene.

One more. Many years ago while I doing some flying in Kentucky, an assault was reported
in one of the smaller towns (Minnesota). The city officer refused to handle it. A county
deputy was then dispatched. The county deputy put in his report that this assault call should
have been given to me while I was in Kentucky. The sheriff and chief deputy were so taken back
by the deputy's thinking, he was called into the office for a meeting.

I was in the office when the chief deputy exited the sheriff's office. I think that I was sitting at
the chief deputy's desk(LOL)........Anyway, this deputy explained that the reason I should have
handled the call was because, upon my return from Kentucky, I should have gone through all
the files on the chief's desk and handled anything that needed any investigation.
I was just a road deputy there, but I handled all the crime scene processing in the county and
flew a fixed wing aircraft for the county.

This county already had two investigators.


Most people are simply lazy and the system tolerates it, but I think it's always been that way.

I can honestly say, you are the 'first' deputy school bus driver I have encountered. You're tolerance level was far and above mine coming out of LEO or public service.

You are the folk that is often overlooked in society, not because you didn't have value, but because you were 'in the middle' of society providing a 'public service'.

 

[WriterMom]

I do think there needs to be a balance between putting forth your best efforts and safeguarding against being taken advantage of. However, my personal view is that of Colossians 3: 23-24: "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters ... It is the Lord Christ you are serving." I know not everyone is Christian, and there are many different viewpoints on the issue. For me personally, however, these verses motivate me to do my best regardless of the work I'm doing. (Sorry, not trying to change the direction towards religion - this post can be deleted if inappropriate).

 

[ShadowMan]

What was that old Soviet Russian saying: "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work".

 

[EMICT]

What was that old Soviet Russian saying: "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work".

Basically, you are saying those who adhere to this work ethic are just 'posers' piggybacking on the Soviet Model. I think we all saw how that turned out.

 

[wobble]

You will own nothing, have no friends, no job, no purpose, and be happy.

 

[bassgirl]

That is exactly what equity and communism breed. Lazy workers, even if they would normally have a good work ethic.

Why should one bust their butt when the next cubicle sits on their phone all day. Communist in Russia got paid if they produced light bulbs or not. So most just worked real slow because it was a government assigned job and they were paid anyway. Which is also why their supply chain sucked for so many years. Took forever to get a part, and when you got it, it was crap. Welcome to the future.

Does not take one long to figure out that game.