PREP Question For The Board. Any Bladesmiths Out There?

day late

money? whats that?
Let me begin by saying I grew up hunting, camping, fishing, and all that kind of good stuff. Dad always taught me that "If you can't shave with your knife, it isn't sharp." Most of the knives I have meet this standard. HOWEVER, recently my son and I were at Houston's example of a medieval fair. We had fun. I out shot him at the archery range, TWICE! He had to buy the beer. But while there, I picked up a dagger type knife. Very much like the Fairbairn-Sykes knife. I forget the exact count, but it is either 320 or 340-layer Damascus. I've never owned a knife like this before. AND it is a BIT*H to sharpen enough to meet Dad's standards. I don't have any kind of sander to get that 15% edge that I want. Just stones and time are all I have. Does anyone out there know of a way to get a "Dad" edge on this thing? It has an acceptable edge now, but it's not up to his standard. That's what I want.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Do you watch forged in fire? Damascus is very particular when it comes to sharpening. No, I'm not a bladesmith, this is just my observation.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
I'd start with an ultra coarse diamond stone to get the secondary angle you want for the edge. If you can't hold the angle consistent enough, you may need some sort of angle jig to guide the knife.
Once the correct bevel is established then work through progressively finer grits of diamond stone. If the Damascus is hard, it may need the diamond stone to remove metal. A softer natural stone may not be hard enough.
 

day late

money? whats that?
Do you watch forged in fire? Damascus is very particular when it comes to sharpening. No, I'm not a bladesmith, this is just my observation.

"Forged In Fire" was one of my favorite shows, before they took it off the air. Amazing what an actual bladesmith can do with what I would think of as junk.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
I have a nice assortment of whetstones, but gave up on them long ago. i just couldn’t maintain the correct angle with them. I now use a Lansky with some diamond coat stones. Much better results for me. Also have a slack belt setup with a number of different belts. This one is good for big blades. Wife got me a smaller Work Sharp tool for smaller blades. Sadly, I haven’t used it yet. But for most knives, it should be ideal. And…some steel just doesn’t sharpen well. I’ve met my match on a couple of them. Have a fixed blade D2 arriving soon. Should be interesting.
 

dstraito

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I would like a sandpaper machine, with one inch sandpaper and different grits (80,100,400,1200, 2400\

I have some pieces that could benefit from that, some I made while learning to blacksmith but never finished getting the fine edge on.
 

fi103r

Veteran Member
+1 on diamond tools and get one of those stands to hold the knife at the right angle
don’t know your preference but keep
oil and or water handy I always cool my knives before and after sharpening
r
 

Tristan

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In my experience, "Damascus" can be all over the place as far as sharpen-ability.

Depends in great measure on the component steels and process.

And again in my experience, I've never had one that sharpened as well or as easily as a good homogeneous carbon or quality stainless steel.

One blade which I had was effectively San-Mai, with a core of high carbon and Damascus sides for character and looks. It sharpened well.

Not to say your's won't, Day Late. It all depends on the reason it won't sharpen well. (perhaps you've clarified that - haven't read whole thread...)
 

CaryC

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There are a couple of ways:

The way I did a Soligen hunting blade purchased in '67, in Germany. Not Damascus.

I started with just a regular wet rock. Size: the ones you hold in your hand. Alternating every other stroke, pull, push, pull, push. By hand. Once you determine how to hold the knife with the 15* angle, and you start doing this, it will give you a "feel" as to the right angle hold.

Once it was sharp with the wet rock, and could shave hair. With the wet rock it was a course edge/sharpening, and would dull easily. I stepped over to an oil stone, and a soft Arkansas. Once it got sharp enough to shave hair on my arm, I stepped over to an oil stone and a hard Arkansas. Next to last was a oil Moon Stone. And then leather.

While not doing it every day, and mostly during hunting season, sitting around in the evenings watching TV, the process took two years. All by hand.

It is a keep sake, and I don't use it for anything, today you can pull it from its sheath, and it will still shave the hair off your arm. It's been about 25 years since I sharpened it.

I started on the blade several times before that, but the blade was so hard, I would give up when no progress was made.

Even with well made knives and good steel, the edge will oxidize over time, and become dull just from sitting around. Not this one.

The 2nd way and is what I use today on everyday knives, is/are those sharpeners with the carbide steel blades in them, set at the correct angle, and then flip them over and finish with the ceramic rods. Even use them on my axes. I converted to this from a straight wet rock by hand. and Some Soft Arkansas.

Gives a sharp blade quick and they hold the edge fair.

So it's going to depend on what you want to put into the blade. If it is a high quality, and to be long enduring and a keep sake. I would do the first method. It would be worth it to you in the long run.

If not use the 2nd method.

There may be nothing wrong in using a sander, but for me personally I would not use one. To each their own.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
lotta fake damascus out there these daze

Ahh, so you have met Saheed then. He makes it himself, 100%. In Chicago. And his blades don't shatter when you try the 2x4 strike test, either. :rolleyes:

He's a gun show legend around here, yet he still has repeat customers. And they vote, too.

RR
 

crossbowboy

Certifiable
I shared this question with a friend who forges.
Damascus is a picky steel, angle is everything.

In my own experience?
If you want to shave with it, use ceramic.
In the Bushcrafty Lore, the bottom rim of your coffee cup will be the best sharpener you'll ever know.

YMMV, practice is invaluable.
 

zeker

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Ahh, so you have met Saheed then. He makes it himself, 100%. In Chicago. And his blades don't shatter when you try the 2x4 strike test, either. :rolleyes:

He's a gun show legend around here, yet he still has repeat customers. And they vote, too.

RR
about 15 yrs ago I bot a folding knife off internet

liked it so much I bot a few more and sold them.

soon I realised that I could sell alot of them.

I prolly ordered a cpl thousand $ worth and they sold like hot cakes.

most were very decent knives. (for the price)

I sat at the hwy with a sign that read "knives"

lotsa customers, but almost everyone said "do you make any?"

I said "no I never tried"

and then I tried.

lotsa youtubes and knife forums later, folks were buying MY knives.

about this time, the gov was cracking down on my 'over the border' orders, and I lost a lotta shipments. ($$)

I started making a lot more knives.

I did not use any of the fancy uppity materials.

local mats were used.

old sawmill blades became my steel source.

folks would bring me steel and fancy (local) woods.

bird'seye maple, yellow birch burl etc

I would sit at the hwy for 3 hrs each day on weekends.

If I sat there during the week, the town would call the cops and demand a permit.($200)

there were a very few days where I never sold anything, but usually $2-300 for a 3 hr day.

but some days much more.

youtube taught me leatherwork and I used very thick leather for the sheaths.

I saw a knife handle made with epoxy, so I put a partridge feather inside the epoxy

That was a great seller.

one day a native woman stopped me and asked if I could put a nickel inside.

told her I would try.

on top of the feather was a 1954 silver nickel.

she gave me 2 nickels and said one for me and 1 for her

on one side was the indian head

the other had the buffalo.

cpl yrs back my health stopped me from doing it anymore,

but folks will still come up to me and say "you're that knife guy"

at some point, I bot a knife grinder ($2500) and learned to put a decent edge on them.

now it sits gathering dust.
 

day late

money? whats that?
One thing I did pick up at an estate sale that the seller had no idea of what they were or what they were used for is a set of "Primble" barber strops. One is hard to read but I think it says, 'Self Honing Sharpen' and the other simply says 'Finish'. I haven't used them much, being used to stones and diamond hones. But they will refine the edge on a normal knife quite nicely.
 

Papacub

Veteran Member
I have a Work Sharp electric and a Lansky system. I only use the Work Sharp on extremely dull knives and it does differing angles, then i'll step up to the Lansky to put a finish edge on the knife. The Lansky also has different angles available, and different stones including diamond. the Lansky also has stones for serrated blades (my next purchase).
 

hiwall

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One thing I did pick up at an estate sale that the seller had no idea of what they were or what they were used for is a set of "Primble" barber strops. One is hard to read but I think it says, 'Self Honing Sharpen' and the other simply says 'Finish'. I haven't used them much, being used to stones and diamond hones. But they will refine the edge on a normal knife quite nicely.
What kind of abrasive did you put on the strops?
 

hiwall

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As I said, I haven't used them much. I did use the finish one, one time with some metal polishing paste that I used to use as a dental lab tech. I don't recall the name. It did a nice job on the K-Bar.
I started using a strop a several years ago. Game changer! I made a few strops and even use them to put a mirror finish on some of the knives I make.
 

day late

money? whats that?
THANK YOU, DAD!!!!! A couple of weeks ago I was making sure anything of value was out of Dads former workshop in case it falls down before we can take it down. I opened a drawer I hadn't noticed before. It contained Dads sharpening stones. There were about four or five of them. I played with them a bit. I FOUND THE STONE that puts the razor edge on that Damascus knife I bought.

That's Dad. He's been gone almost nine years and he's still looking out for me.
 
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