BRKG Putin exit 'being discussed behind scenes' in Kremlin (May 24, 2022)

Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Mods feel free to merge with the other thread if this turns out ot be a nothing burger but the rumors and reports in places like the tabloid UK Daily Mail have been going for a few days now. The rumors are he had a cancer operation last week and his outcome may not be good - I thought this urgent enough to be on its own, and if this turns out to be true may want its own thread anyway.

Just breaking on Sky News (United Kingdom)
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Ukraine-Russia war - latest: Cameron in Ukraine - as survey reveals what Russians think of war

David Cameron has made his first foreign visit, to Kyiv, as polling shows Russians still support the war in Ukraine. Listen to a Daily podcast special on what Vladimir Putin is doing while the world's focus is elsewhere while you scroll.
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Ukraine news live: Putin exit 'being discussed behind scenes' in Kremlin - as 500 people 'being held hostage' in Kherson
Ukraine latest as a report suggests Vladimir Putin's eventual exit is being discussed in the Kremlin; 500 civilians are being held hostage in Kherson, it is claimed; Sergei Lavrov says Russia would "seriously consider" re-establishing ties with West.

 
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Oreally

Right from the start
if he really had an cancer thyroid operation over the last week, which seems to be true, by now they have gotten the biopsy. it could be negative, maybe even stage 4.

and given his his shaky leg and arm movements that we have all seen in his recent meetings i think they can legitimately retire him on health grounds. and even give out his diagnosis for transparency and legitimacy.

thus leading to a path to stop this crazy war, with a fair compromise settlement, before the entire world falls apart because of it.
 
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Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
And - the ongoing WEF Geneva/Davos Meeting currently underway (i.e. Posobiec "arrested.") would give good reason to picture Putin as "on his way out" as a means to bolster member nation acceptance of the "New World Order" formulation.

Think "polls" performed before elections in order to suppress certain voters, and encourage others.

True "Disinformation" all - when you own the media, you can have it say anything you want.

Dobbin
 
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mecoastie

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I would imagine his eventual exit is discussed. Ignoring the political side, he is old for a Russian male, reportedly just had cancer surgery and suspected other medical issues.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This has been building for days, I was just waiting for a decent public source that wasn't a tabloid (UK versions of the National Enquirer) to mention it before posting. Rumors are flying everywhere, and the story has been taken down but yesterday one of the "Oligarchs" supposedly told the Daily Mail that Putin would spend his last days in a "Sanitorum" which from the description sounded like a bad translation of nice hospice for a VIP.

That's when I first got specious that he did have surgery towards the end of last week (as The Mail reported) with his "appearances" all pre-recorded and that the outcome as Oreilly suggested is not good. If nothing else, that makes Putin weak in terms of control as well as physically.

There are several options if this is true: he is removed from office and "sent away," he sticks around and fades out gradually, he chooses to leave and appoints his intended replacement, he dies "suddenly" either naturally or from "led poisoning," and probably a few others (including a military take over).

The real danger is, that he might decide to "go out with a bang," or one "last great sacrifice."

That last option simply can't be ignored, which is one reason I started this thread now that other sources are starting to carry or hint at, the story.
 
db cooper

db cooper

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Personally, I do not care one way or the other if Putin stays or goes. What I do know if this news is sourced from Ukraine it is 200% propaganda. It's just as believable as anything CNN puts out. And, rumors are rumors. Hard facts would have to come from a reliable source, and only the Lord knows for sure one way or the other.

I recall watching historical news reels of how the Germans reacted to FDR's death. They were thrilled at somehow this would change the outcome of the war. It did not, they still got their asses whipped. Same goes for the Uke's, Putin's going will not change the outcome.
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
db cooper said:
Personally, I do not care one way or the other if Putin stays or goes. What I do know if this news is sourced from Ukraine it is 200% propaganda. It's just as believable as anything CNN puts out. And, rumors are rumors. Hard facts would have to come from a reliable source, and only the Lord knows for sure one way or the other.

I recall watching historical news reels of how the Germans reacted to FDR's death. They were thrilled at somehow this would change the outcome of the war. It did not, they still got their asses whipped. Same goes for the Uke's, Putin's going will not change the outcome.
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wrong.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
This falls in the category of the possibility of regime change.

Note: Regime change does not work.

Did not work in Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Venezuela, or the United States.
And usually ends up worse.
 
Lee2

Lee2

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Thanks so much Melodi for the info. Wouldn't have known otherwise. Don't know what to hope at this point but would sure like an end to this war!
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
raven said:
This falls in the category of the possibility of regime change.

Note: Regime change does not work.

Did not work in Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Venezuela, or the United States.
And usually ends up worse.
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Regime change only "works" when it's done at the "root and stem" level backed with "reliable" auxiliaries on the ground. The last time that was really done was in 1945.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
db cooper said:
Personally, I do not care one way or the other if Putin stays or goes. What I do know if this news is sourced from Ukraine it is 200% propaganda. It's just as believable as anything CNN puts out. And, rumors are rumors. Hard facts would have to come from a reliable source, and only the Lord knows for sure one way or the other.

I recall watching historical news reels of how the Germans reacted to FDR's death. They were thrilled at somehow this would change the outcome of the war. It did not, they still got their asses whipped. Same goes for the Uke's, Putin's going will not change the outcome.
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The history of press manipulation in both the US and UK is concerning. At the same time the US tabloids and those in the UK were covering the Clintons a lot more accurately than the MSM. Time will only tell whether this coverage by the Daily Mail is the same.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Putin is a product of the WEF, as are many other "leftist" including Whitmer, Trudeau, Boris Johnson, Merkel and of course Biden (in absentia.)

The difference is Putin is "different" and he may have been a WEF attendee/trainee previously but now he's on the "other side."

Putin is doing for Russia what Trump proposes to do for the US - "Make Russia Great Again." (MRGA)

So while this horse may not support Putin in the Ukrainian invasion, he certainly understands what is ahoof - re-establish the Russian empire as it was known during the Soviet Era - and this includes the buffer nations, the access to warm weather ports, and the pipelines which allow Russia to sell natural gas to the European Sub-continent. Natural Gas which is the Russian major export and wealth creator.

All of which are counter to what the WEF wants - don't need no "competition" economically outside the trading sphere of the WEF.

The whole "we'll use the US as our military arm to 'stress' Russia and possibly instill a regime change for them" is what is going on. Other than "peace" and an ongoing Ukrainian Biden/Pelosi/Romney Cover-up, the US has no burgeoning reason to be in Ukraine. (unlike Taiwan)

And the same reason why so much effort has been expended to unseat Trump, discredit him, malign him, and claim him "racist."

Putin may not be a "good" guy, but he's closer to being a good guy than WEF Agenda. "Enemy of my Enemy CAN be my friend" - for a while.

Dobbin
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Lee2 said:
Thanks so much Melodi for the info. Wouldn't have known otherwise. Don't know what to hope at this point but would sure like an end to this war!
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That's why I posted it as its own thread, I figured if it turned out to be incorrect information or nothing happened it could be combined with the other thread. But I thought it was important enough to get out there since it isn't getting much notice in the Main Stream Media, just little bits here and there.

As for regime change, it may only be a change of leadership forced on the Russians if Putin is too ill to do his job and/or dead. But it is his replacement(s) that will decide if this is regime change or not - he may be replaced by someone with basically the same agenda or someone who is harsher or milder than he is when it comes to wars and policies.

Unless he names someone who is acceptable, there may be several "someones" who end up fighting for power over the next few days, weeks, or even months - which would be very unstablizing. Things could go back and forth and well, I just hope it doesn't happen.
 
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Chapulin

Veteran Member
Removing Putin is the first step to stop Ukraine. The next leader probably isn't known but discussed by the informal committee behind the curtain. Putin's identified opposition tend to be treated to radiated tea or fall out of windows.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
Oh well, yes, if Putin goes,
the next leader is going to simply
give up all that territory . . .
There is no way the next leader will simply turn the military loose.

LOL. that is some funny "stuff" right there.

(somehow, folks forget they are dealing with communists)
 
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Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Considering the source: "Ukraine news live"? I'll consider this propaganda and take it with a grain... sack full of salt. Maybe Putin is in bad physical shape, maybe not. Maybe he will stepdown, maybe not. We may live to see what history provides.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Oreally said:
if he really had an cancer thyroid operation over the last week, which seems to be true, by now they have gotten the biopsy. it could be negative, maybe even stage 4.

and given his his shaky leg and arm movements that we have all seen in his recent meetings i think they can legitimately retire him on health grounds. and even give out his diagnosis for transparency and legitimacy.

thus leading to a path to stop this crazy war, with a fair compromise settlement, before the entire world falls apart because of it.
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biden administration will never allow for the war to end, they need a global war to put their plans into place.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Part of this evening's UK Daily Mail Article best seen at the link - just some of it posted here for brevity.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Kremlin officials 'are already discussing who will replace Putin'

Three months to the day since Russian tanks first rolled across the Ukrainian border, a Russian government source claimed 'there are almost no people who are satisfied with Putin'
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Kremlin officials 'are already discussing who will replace Putin' because 'there is an understanding he will not run the country in the foreseeable future'

Russian-Latvian outlet Meduza said Kremlin sources shared details of discontent
'There are almost no (Russian elites) who are satisfied with Putin', sources said

The discontent with the president is shared by pro-war and pro-peace elites alike

Businessmen and government officials are said to be devastated by sanctions

While members of the intelligence community believe Putin has botched the war

It comes as Ukraine's spy chief claimed Putin had escaped an assassination attempt and is isolating himself further due to concerns of a coup
By DAVID AVERRE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 20:02, 24 May 2022 | UPDATED: 20:20, 24 May 2022

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Top-ranking Russian officials are said to be plotting a government without Vladimir Putin after Kremlin sources claimed the Russian President has turned almost everybody against him amid the invasion of Ukraine.

Three months to the day since Russian tanks first rolled across the Ukrainian border, a government source told Russian-Latvian outlet Meduza 'there are almost no people who are satisfied with Putin' among Kremlin officials and Russian elites.

'Businessmen and many members of the government are unhappy that the president started the war without thinking about the scale of the sanctions - it is impossible to live with such sanctions,' the source said - a sentiment which was later corroborated by two other government insiders.

'The problems [in Russia due to the war] are already visible, and by midsummer they will come from different directions: transport, medicine, even agriculture. No one simply thought of such a scale,' Meduza's interlocutor close to the government explained.

The revelation comes as Kyiv's spy chief claimed yesterday that Putin had escaped an assassination attempt around one month into the war, and declared the Russian leader's isolation is a preventative measure borne from a deep mistrust of his subordinates.

Russia's three-month long invasion, the biggest attack on a European state since 1945, has seen over 6.5 million people flee abroad, turned entire cities into rubble, and prompted the unprecedented imposition of Western sanctions on Russia.

Top-ranking Russian officials are said to be plotting a government without Vladimir Putin (pictured) after Kremlin sources claimed the Russian President has turned almost everybody against him amid the invasion of Ukraine
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Top-ranking Russian officials are said to be plotting a government without Vladimir Putin (pictured) after Kremlin sources claimed the Russian President has turned almost everybody against him amid the invasion of Ukraine

'There are almost no people who are satisfied with Putin' among Kremlin officials and Russian elites, according to government sources cited by Meduza (Putin is pictured speaking with members of the Security Council last week)
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'There are almost no people who are satisfied with Putin' among Kremlin officials and Russian elites, according to government sources cited by Meduza (Putin is pictured speaking with members of the Security Council last week)

Maksym, 3, is photographed with his brother, Dmytro, 16, on top of a destroyed Russian tank, on the outskirts of Kyiv, Ukraine, May 8, 2022. Three months after it invaded Ukraine hoping to overtake the country in a blitz, Russia has bogged down in what increasingly looks like a war of attrition with no end in sight
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Maksym, 3, is photographed with his brother, Dmytro, 16, on top of a destroyed Russian tank, on the outskirts of Kyiv, Ukraine, May 8, 2022. Three months after it invaded Ukraine hoping to overtake the country in a blitz, Russia has bogged down in what increasingly looks like a war of attrition with no end in sight

Ukraine's military spy chief Kyrylo Budanov said he fears the Russian leader still has a 'few more years' left in him, but claimed Putin had escaped an assassination attempt and is wary of being deposed
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Ukraine's military spy chief Kyrylo Budanov said he fears the Russian leader still has a 'few more years' left in him, but claimed Putin had escaped an assassination attempt and is wary of being deposed

A veteran Russian diplomat to the UN office in Geneva resigned yesterday over what he described as Putin's 'intolerable' invasion of Ukraine, and lent further credence to Meduza's claims in saying many Russian diplomats do not support the war.

Boris Bondarev, 41, resigned on Monday morning after 20 years in the diplomatic service before sending a letter to 40 diplomats in which he said he had never been 'so ashamed of my country'.

In the letter, he condemned 'the aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine and in fact against the entire Western world' - and supported Meduza's claims that high-ranking government officials in Russia are disapproving of the war.

'It is intolerable what my government is doing now... not all Russian diplomats are warmongering. They are reasonable, but they have to keep their mouths shut,' Bondarev claimed.

'[The invasion] is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia... it is crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country'.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov shrugged of Bondarev's departure however, declaring the diplomat is 'against us' and that the 'actions of the Russian leadership are supported by almost the entire population.

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Even Russian elites who are in favour of the 'special military operation' in Ukraine share the discontent of their peace-seeking compatriots.

Meduza claimed that high-ranking officials in Russia's security services FSB and GRU - referred to as 'hawks' - believe Putin has botched the invasion and want to seize control of the operation.

'The hawks are not satisfied with the pace of the 'special operation'. They think they can act more decisively,' a source said.

Putin reportedly removed the FSB - Russia's domestic security agency - as the lead organisation responsible for intelligence gathering in Ukraine after early setbacks, and replaced it with military intelligence agency GRU.

But the Russian president has seized control of the military operation, personally handing orders out to generals and struggling to delegate responsibilities.

Meanwhile, the head of the main intelligence directorate of Ukraine's ministry of defence declared yesterday Putin is cutting himself off from close contact with his subordinates to avoid any assassination attempts.

'Looking at some of his manic syndromes, he is afraid to seriously prepare a successor, realising that in preparation, this successor may want to take the chair a little earlier than Putin himself wants,' Major General Kyrylo Budanov told Ukrainskaya Pravda.
 
BUBBAHOTEPT

BUBBAHOTEPT

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End of Days indeed… And whether he lives for fifty more years or dies, what tyrants effects us all are just fine right down the road in Washington City…. :kaid:
 
TheDoberman

TheDoberman

Veteran Member
So I'm tying to put some pieces together...

Remember last year when Jamie Dimon said, "I was just in Hong Kong and I made a joke that the Communist Party is celebrating its 100th year. So is JPMorgan. I’d make you a bet we last longer.” What does he know that we don't?

I also keep thinking about that ''Ghosts in the machine" video someone posted here and I wonder what strings are we pulling right now?

If there really is internal talk of regime change in Russia and re-establishing relations with the west, then this will be the end of the line for Xi.

Interestingly enough, I just saw another article today where someone hacked into the Xinjiang Police department and took an extensive amount of information on China's re-education camps, including that orders for shoot-to-kill had been given. Other information said that Xi Jinping wants to expand the camps because they are getting too crowded. I can guarantee you this report is making the rounds in the Chinese populous, whether they want it to or not.

Putin and Xi are very much a team in this. It looks like power could be slipping for both. Russia fundamentally lost the war in Ukraine. You can't call what they did a win. History will prove it isn't. Russia's people really don't even want war and if for some reason Russia came to the side of the west the power vacuum would be enormous. China would be sitting there with no substantial allies and we would really make them pay economically.

The way I see it, the only thing that could turn the table is an almost immediate war over Taiwan. I don't think Xi can wait on this much longer because the seeds of discontent have been sowed in both countries. They need a win or else they are going to lose. Buzzing into an allied South Korean airspace today was a very aggressive move by China and Russia and let's us know that they are serious. I think they want us to know that acting in defense of Taiwan would be absolutely dangerous. Right or wrong they are probably right. They are cornered beasts. I guess we'll see how much longer we can keep them cornered.
 
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