HEALTH Purging the body of 'retired' cells could reverse ageing, study shows

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Purging the body of 'retired' cells could reverse ageing, study shows

Findings raise possibility that a future therapy that rids the body of senescent cells might protect against the ravages of old age

Hannah Devlin Science correspondent
@hannahdev
Thursday 23 March 2017 12.16 EDT

Purging retired cells from the body has been shown to undo the ravages of old age in a study that raises the prospect of new life-extending treatments .

When mice were treated with a substance designed to sweep away cells that have entered a dormant state due to DNA damage their fur regrew, kidney function improved and they were able to run twice as far as untreated elderly animals.


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The team are now assessing whether the mice also live longer and are planning a series of safety studies in humans with the ultimate goal of testing whether getting rid of so-called senescent cells could help reverse a range of age-related disorders.

The discovery adds to a wave of new findings hinting at the possibility of a future in which doctors can treat ageing itself, rather than trying to combat the host of diseases that come along with it.

Such a scenario is now supported by science, according to Peter de Keizer, the 36-year-old scientist who led the latest work at Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands. “Maybe when you get to 65 you’ll go every five years for your anti-senescence shot in the clinic. You’ll go for your rejuvenation shot,” he said. “That I can envision when we reach that age.”

As we age, our cells accumulate DNA damage, which beyond a certain threshold cannot be repaired. At this point, cells can either turn cancerous, self-destruct, or enter a semi-dormant state, called senescence. Initially senescent cells were thought to be neutral bystanders that no longer make a useful biological contribution but that are harmless.

However, about a decade ago, this picture began to change.

“It was found that these senescent cells secrete a whole load of junk and they’re not just bystanders but have a negative effect,” said De Keizer. He compares the cells to the toxic presence of a disruptive student in the classroom who drags down the performance of their neighbours.

There is now growing evidence for the role of senescent cells in age-related diseases, with higher concentrations of the cells being seen in arthritic joints, cataracts and the plaque-lined arteries.

Research published last year showed that removing the cells using a genetic trick caused mice to live 20% longer on average. The latest paper is the first to show that ageing can not only be delayed by removing senescent cells – but potentially reversed.

In the study, published in the journal Cell, scientists used a compound designed to knock senescent cells out of their state of suspended animation, towards cell death.

Two mouse populations – naturally-aged mice and ones genetically engineered to age rapidly – were given infusions of the peptide three times a week for 10 months.

Initially the scientists planned to simply assess kidney function, but a laboratory technician pointed out that some of the balding mice had undergone a remarkable physical transformation.

“The technician said: ‘Look Peter, the mice have regrown their hair, we’ve never seen that before’,” said De Keizer. The animals’ sluggish disposition also changed and they started moving around more and exploring their cages.

Fast-ageing mice with patches of missing fur began to recover their coats after 10 days and after about three weeks, the fitness benefits began to show, with older mice running double the distance of their counterparts who did not receive the anti-senescence treatment. A month after treatment, aged mice showed an increase in markers indicating healthy kidney function.

The findings raise the possibility that a future therapy that rids the body of senescent cells might protect against the ravages of old age. But many more tests will be needed before scientists know if drugs can be developed to help people live longer.

Questions remain about the limitations of the technique: at some stage, presumably, the body would come up against the problem that not all tissues can be regenerated, meaning that fewer cells would be left. “My fear was that taking out cells the mice would just implode,” De Keizer said, adding that while he found no evidence that the mice had began to shrink, this might become an issue beyond some threshold.

The team plan to carry out a safety clinical trial in people with an aggressive form of brain tumour, called Glioblastoma multiforme, in which cells happen to feature a similar marker to those in senescent cells, making the peptide a possible treatment for this form of cancer.

Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, a scientist at the Salk Institute in La Jolla, California, who recently published a separate study hinting that ageing might be reversible, described the latest work as “superb”. “I think approaches aiming at the elimination of senescent cells will probably be in clinical trial in the next few years. Peptides such as this one are almost ready to go into clinical trials.”
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Hell, according to this type of thinking, you're playing God when you artificially inseminate a cow on the farm.

Jeez :shk:

That's sort of the problem. A lot of things MIGHT be playing God, but do you want to be accused of any of them after you die?
 

missd

Senior Member
So the human test group has glioblastoma multiform - my mom died from this in 2000. At that time the Dr said not to worry it's not genetic. Now that thinking is wrong. Hopefully by the time I get GM the cell purging thing is perfected! If not perfected then at least CT up and running.
Nasty cancers are rampant in my family - I'm all for this research
 
We are flesh and blood time machines. For ninety per cent of us a greatly extended life would be "more" for the sake of "more" or, if you like, a "Groundhog Day" scenario with little differences as each day unfolded. And even if you wanted to greatly and radically expand your horizons, had not fallen into a rut, most people do not have the resources to do so, to reboot.

No amount of medical rejuvenation can erase your memories, your natural predispositions, and the psychological processes that have shaped you, funneled you into certain avenues of being.

God in his wisdom has given us a time in which to live, the different seasons in which to bloom, mature, and finally to be harvested by the natural processes if one is lucky enough to have made it that far, not fallen to accident or violence or premature illness.

Greatly extended life would be a slowly, unfolding curse except for a very, very few.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
That's sort of the problem. A lot of things MIGHT be playing God, but do you want to be accused of any of them after you die?

Oh, I wouldn't worry about that too much. There will be all sorts of sins that you might not even be aware of or have forgotten that you'll be called on the carpet about. We all will have that coming to us, I think trying to increase one's health and useful lifespan while you're on this Earthly plain will not be a big deal. Depending on how you use that extension, it may not even be sinful.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Oh, I wouldn't worry about that too much. There will be all sorts of sins that you might not even be aware of or have forgotten that you'll be called on the carpet about. We all will have that coming to us, I think trying to increase one's health and useful lifespan while you're on this Earthly plain will not be a big deal. Depending on how you use that extension, it may not even be sinful.

Oh, that's true enough. I've already accepted that better than a third of my life will be burned up at judgment; sleeping can't be considered that useful. But still, better to have as little as possible to talk about.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
We are flesh and blood time machines. For ninety per cent of us a greatly extended life would be "more" for the sake of "more" or, if you like, a "Groundhog Day" scenario with little differences as each day unfolded. And even if you wanted to greatly and radically expand your horizons, had not fallen into a rut, most people do not have the resources to do so, to reboot.

No amount of medical rejuvenation can erase your memories, your natural predispositions, and the psychological processes that have shaped you, funneled you into certain avenues of being.

God in his wisdom has given us a time in which to live, the different seasons in which to bloom, mature, and finally to be harvested by the natural processes if one is lucky enough to have made it that far, not fallen to accident or violence or premature illness.

Greatly extended life would be a slowly, unfolding curse except for a very, very few.

If you do not mind me asking, what age range are you within? Just by number of decades, not specifics.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
That's sort of the problem. A lot of things MIGHT be playing God, but do you want to be accused of any of them after you die?

The age old threat... God's gonna get you after you die, because "I" think you're doing something wrong now.
Nice of you to decide what is God's job :shk:

All I can say is, don't ever go to a doctor, don't ever take an antibiotic(God wanted you to get sick), don't ever have an Xray or a broken bone set(God wanted you to suffer), don't wear glasses or get lasik(after all God wanted you to be practically blind), and sure as hell don't get any medical treatment if you get cancer or pneumonia or kidney failure, .... After all it's just God killing you :shk:

Some people should just leave society, go live in a cave, and wait to die of any one of ten thousand easily avoidable, simple things, that will kill you. Doing anything to live better, safer or longer is just "playing God".
Those words, "It's going against God" or "you're playing God" have echoed down through mankind's history for 10,000 years every time knowledge increased and superstition decreased. Misguided adherents to your God are just the latest ones to say them.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
In my 60s. Why do you ask? I am interested in your expansion upon my reply.

Thank you.

Per the data shown here: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy/

Less than a hundred years ago, on average, you'd already be dead. Are you ready to be dead now? Is your quality of life unbearable enough that you wish you could go back to the good old days? Looking back even farther, to maybe another century back, just using the UK data as a guide, you would have been dead a couple of decades already. And you probably would have felt relatively horrible during a great portion of your life up to the time you shed your mortal coil.

The seasons of people's lives have been stretched, and the quality of those seasons have been increased as well. People fill those seasons with meaning and purpose as they grow, it is cynical to me to believe that more life just means more boredom, a cursed existence. Individual human beings are responsible for the value of their lives, no matter how long or short they are.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Thank you.

Per the data shown here: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy/

Less than a hundred years ago, on average, you'd already be dead. Are you ready to be dead now? Is your quality of life unbearable enough that you wish you could go back to the good old days? Looking back even farther, to maybe another century back, just using the UK data as a guide, you would have been dead a couple of decades already. And you probably would have felt relatively horrible during a great portion of your life up to the time you shed your mortal coil.

The seasons of people's lives have been stretched, and the quality of those seasons have been increased as well. People fill those seasons with meaning and purpose as they grow, it is cynical to me to believe that more life just means more boredom, a cursed existence. Individual human beings are responsible for the value of their lives, no matter how long or short they are.

Excellent response :applaud:
 
Thank you.

Per the data shown here: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy/

Less than a hundred years ago, on average, you'd already be dead. Are you ready to be dead now? Is your quality of life unbearable enough that you wish you could go back to the good old days? Looking back even farther, to maybe another century back, just using the UK data as a guide, you would have been dead a couple of decades already. And you probably would have felt relatively horrible during a great portion of your life up to the time you shed your mortal coil.

The seasons of people's lives have been stretched, and the quality of those seasons have been increased as well. People fill those seasons with meaning and purpose as they grow, it is cynical to me to believe that more life just means more boredom, a cursed existence. Individual human beings are responsible for the value of their lives, no matter how long or short they are.

I agree with most of your points. But as I noted above are the vast majority of people really adding value to their lives as they age?

Individual human beings are responsible for the value of their lives, no matter how long or short they are.

Take a look around Wal Mart next time you shop there, (if you do).

And I was also talking about the consequences of greatly extended life, not what has occurred to date. There is a "break point" I believe to this phenomenon that you speak of. Most people don't have the resources to live to 80 years of age, much less 120. And could their family bear the burden because even with such medical techniques
some debility would eventually intrude.

This is a real sticky wicket for how human societies have worked since humans have evolved.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
I agree with most of your points. But as I noted above are the vast majority of people really adding value to their lives as they age?

As I said, that isn't my responsibility.

Take a look around Wal Mart next time you shop there, (if you do).

I do often, and they aren't perfect. Far from it, that's for sure. Again, people trashing themselves in various ways is not my responsibility.

And I was also talking about the consequences of greatly extended life, not what has occurred to date. There is a "break point" I believe to this phenomenon that you speak of. Most people don't have the resources to live to 80 years of age, much less 120.

I understand, but at the same time, if people's useful working age continues to extend as it is, they'll take care of that need themselves. Employers are s-l-o-w-l-y getting over preconceptions leading to age discrimination, too, so the trend is have older folks continue to contribute and earn income and for those folks to do it in decent medical condition. I can state a personal story in that regard. We have a guy who retired a couple of years ago, a truly gifted analytical engineer, and he's kept in contact with my employer since that time, saying he's interested in coming back part time. The employer is thinking of hiring him back, too. He's pushing 80 years old, and is no doddering old fool.

And could their family bear the burden because even with such medical techniques some debility would eventually intrude.

Some debility always does. Living longer doesn't change that. On that score, families would have more time to amass resources to deal with that debility if everyone lives longer and more productive lives.
 
As I said, that isn't my responsibility.



I do often, and they aren't perfect. Far from it, that's for sure. Again, people trashing themselves in various ways is not my responsibility.



I understand, but at the same time, if people's useful working age continues to extend as it is, they'll take care of that need themselves. Employers are s-l-o-w-l-y getting over preconceptions leading to age discrimination, too, so the trend is have older folks continue to contribute and earn income and for those folks to do it in decent medical condition. I can state a personal story in that regard. We have a guy who retired a couple of years ago, a truly gifted analytical engineer, and he's kept in contact with my employer since that time, saying he's interested in coming back part time. The employer is thinking of hiring him back, too. He's pushing 80 years old, and is no doddering old fool.



Some debility always does. Living longer doesn't change that. On that score, families would have more time to amass resources to deal with that debility if everyone lives longer and more productive lives.

Again you are assuming best case scenarios for a very high percentage of the population. Would it really work that way in practice? Would the jobs really be there? (We have that problem already).

I like your optimism. I just wish I could buy into it. Thanks for your replies.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Again you are assuming best case scenarios for a very high percentage of the population. Would it really work that way in practice? Would the jobs really be there? (We have that problem already).

I like your optimism. I just wish I could buy into it. Thanks for your replies.

My point is that advances in life extension and therefore a greater opportunity for meaningful human existence shouldn't be held back to keep pace with the lowest common denominator. I appreciate the nice discussion, as well.


I would say that I agree with your posting tagline in this: "The longer you can hold out, the better your chances." ;)
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Again you are assuming best case scenarios for a very high percentage of the population. Would it really work that way in practice? Would the jobs really be there? (We have that problem already).

I like your optimism. I just wish I could buy into it. Thanks for your replies.

Man's got a point about jobs. As automation increases we'll need fewer workers than ever. Been a LOT of discussion about what to do with all the extra folks, and few of the answers are good.
 
My point is that advances in life extension and therefore a greater opportunity for meaningful human existence shouldn't be held back to keep pace with the lowest common denominator. I appreciate the nice discussion, as well.


I would say that I agree with your posting tagline in this: "The longer you can hold out, the better your chances." ;)

And how would the vast unwashed react to an elite, "living young", into a very old age, something unprecedented. And this would not be something that could be attributed to the luck of their DNA. They would attribute it to their connections, (despite the fact that most of these elite would have "earned it" through discipline and hard work, though some of it would no doubt be due to just being born with a higher IQ).

We have class warfare already. What would it be like when an elite seem to defy death, when they bury not only their poorer, (in all respects), contemporaries, but also their children?

The ramifications of man living beyond hundred due to technology in relatively good shape has untold consequences. There is the individual equation, and then there is the societal equation.
And both must work in order for such a "fix" for some to be successfully implemented.
 

almost ready

Inactive
There seems to be an assumption that such a program is making the mice just live longer. No, their condition is changing and behavior is reverting to a much younger age. If this could be transferred to humans, it would be worthwhile to spend those decades educating people to the degree needed to fully succeed in this highly-sophisticated society.

Take a doctor, MD or ND, even Engineering, Math, Physics or other specialist who needs both decades of training/school and then continuing education to keep up with the subject. The cost benefit of such training would be enormously improved, if they could continue their professional lives into their 80's and 90's as a rule, not an exception.

Of course, there are millions of people who waste every day, and more days won't help them or anyone else. They have been carried along on the backs of the hardworking, only possible with the modern systems we have put into place. The fragility of these systems is often on the minds of "preppers", but best left for discussion another day.

If, in fact, useful, alert, fruitful and active life can be extended, I'm in.

Every time we make a new bit of change, there are huge and burdonsome responsibilities that come with. Still, it seems to be the flowering of mankind, to learn and discover these things.

Just imagine, if you could, that humanity itself is flowering in a pattern, perhaps dictated by DNA or whatever (insert your favority Diety name here), and we have no more choice about becoming fully human than a sunflower has a choice whether to bloom and set seeds.

Just as a child doesn't choose to grow up, despite Peter Pan, most do.

Deciding who gets this and who doesn't shouldn't be a problem. The dopers, tweekers, violent, multiple-sex-partner-indulgent et al are digging their own graves. We needn't worry about pushing them, nor can we stop them despite the enormous efforts to do so.
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
Individual human beings are responsible for the value of their lives, no matter how long or short they are.

Tell that to people who have seen their health care premiums double over the last four years or, retrospectively, to the ones who died in WW2 prison camps.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some of that already occurs naturally - or in non-invasive ways. My hair started turning white at age 17. I'm pretty much all white now at 60. BUT, to my amazement, the hair at the top of my head along a normal part is starting to grow in it's old color. Hairdresser, older than me, says yes... this does happen sometimes, but didn't have an explanation for it.

Now, if I could see that kind of thing happening elsewhere in my body, I'd be really astounded. But no, it's not to be.

Personally, I'm interested in sticking around long enough to see how this chapter of "life on earth" turns out for people (not just me). That's always subject to change of course - given actual circumstances. LOL.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
actuarial tables and analysis show that if all diseases were eliminated and we lived indefinitely, the human life span would be an average of 900 years, before some extraneous event took you out . .. . wife dumps you into the wood chipper, plane crashes, car hits tree, and you couldn't be reconstituted.

i look personally forward to another 2 or 3 hundred years . . . doing ever greater work towards helping the world.

i cant imagine spending that time playing video games or hunting babes
 

cleobc

Veteran Member
I am 67 and starting to worry I'm not going to have time to do all I want to do. Not everything costs lots of money--just enjoying training and competing with my dogs, gardening, raising sheep and ponies, having puppies occasionally, raising some calves--I'd like to have more time to do art work and creative things. I can't keep up with all the reading I like to do. We have a 60-acre farm we have sunk most of our retirement money into, hoping it will support us in old age. I'm hoping our health stays good but what we enjoy most is running the farm. I can't imagine being bored or being tired of life. So much more to do! Another 20 years of energy and good health would be really handy!
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I can state a personal story in that regard. We have a guy who retired a couple of years ago, a truly gifted analytical engineer, and he's kept in contact with my employer since that time, saying he's interested in coming back part time. The employer is thinking of hiring him back, too. He's pushing 80 years old, and is no doddering old fool.

About 11-12 years ago, I was hired as Director of Nursing. The woman who was DON previously, and who was going to stay on as Assistant DON, was 89 years old! She kept up on a part-time basis for about two years, and I would frequently find her asleep at her desk.

After she retired, she had a knee replacement, and died from complications. :(
 
actuarial tables and analysis show that if all diseases were eliminated and we lived indefinitely, the human life span would be an average of 900 years, before some extraneous event took you out . .. . wife dumps you into the wood chipper, plane crashes, car hits tree, and you couldn't be reconstituted.

i look personally forward to another 2 or 3 hundred years . . . doing ever greater work towards helping the world.

i cant imagine spending that time playing video games or hunting babes

I read a science fiction story a long time ago in which the above became a reality. The ennui that resulted from "so much water under the bridge" had many of them indulging in extremely risky behavior a la "On the Beach". The weight of time and all of their memories and the critical masses of knowledge attained that have never been accumulated by any one human eventually got them suicidal.

The clock casts a shadow hanging up there, (sooner or later, depending on the individual).

Again, this is terra incognita with unforeseen ramifications.

And without death breathing down your neck how does that change behavior, your productivity? Do you think you have all of the time in the world, barring an accident? Do you become ridiculously risk-adverse, taking the joy out of life so you can have that extra hundred or two hundred years?

In the back of everyone's mind mortality looms, more for some than others.
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
I think we should work on increasing human intelligence and general integrity before we work on increasing their life span.
 

almost ready

Inactive
The premise of that Sci Fi story is curious, Medical Maven. It really supposes that the attitude of adults matches the real attitudes of children, who all seem to feel that death just isn't an issue for them unless some illness has got them. Even so, an important percentage of kids work hard to learn, to help, and to perform, without fear of death hanging over them.
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
FASTING


The say fasting fo a few dayswill completely purge your immune system and you'll have an EXPLOSION of white blood cells. this can cure majore diseases and a few people have curedtheir CANCER this way.

Ben reading a lot about fasting and super controlled intake... pretty dang interesting.
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If this could enable me to care for my son until his time was up, I would do it. I just want to know that he is safe, loved, protected and cared for until his time is up. Then I will go when I am called. I can tell you that most special needs parents would be the first in line for it.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
And how would the vast unwashed react to an elite, "living young", into a very old age, something unprecedented. And this would not be something that could be attributed to the luck of their DNA. They would attribute it to their connections, (despite the fact that most of these elite would have "earned it" through discipline and hard work, though some of it would no doubt be due to just being born with a higher IQ).

We have class warfare already. What would it be like when an elite seem to defy death, when they bury not only their poorer, (in all respects), contemporaries, but also their children?

The ramifications of man living beyond hundred due to technology in relatively good shape has untold consequences. There is the individual equation, and then there is the societal equation.
And both must work in order for such a "fix" for some to be successfully implemented.

Most class warfare is instigated by either underprivileged populations or by those who work to keep the underprivileged in that state of existence. That's not a reason to not pursue this therapy. But I agree that class warfare needs to stop.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Tell that to people who have seen their health care premiums double over the last four years or, retrospectively, to the ones who died in WW2 prison camps.

I was not referring to those people who have had their freedoms unlawfully denied. That's a different topic.
 

zeda1

Senior Member
Some of that already occurs naturally - or in non-invasive ways. My hair started turning white at age 17. I'm pretty much all white now at 60. BUT, to my amazement, the hair at the top of my head along a normal part is starting to grow in it's old color. Hairdresser, older than me, says yes... this does happen sometimes, but didn't have an explanation for it.

Now, if I could see that kind of thing happening elsewhere in my body, I'd be really astounded. But no, it's not to be.

Personally, I'm interested in sticking around long enough to see how this chapter of "life on earth" turns out for people (not just me). That's always subject to change of course - given actual circumstances. LOL.

Any possibility that your taking diatomaceous earth? My hair got darker and blonder after D.E
 
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