Preps we have made as web bot subscribers

rhealady

rhealady

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The web bot discussions get a lot of hits.

So, to keep the web bots discussion instructive I thought it would be nice for those of us that subscribe and made changes in our lives to share what we have done.
I personally, am looking for omissions to our list.

August seems to be the agreed upon drop dead date.


Have completed
• Moved IRA out of stock market and into PM- very happy about this
• Expanded gardens. Raised beds, almost 3 dozen earthboxes http://earthbox.com/ , small greenhouses and successful winter gardening techniques in Illinois. May be the only way to get fresh veggies in the out of season months.
• Expanded free-range chicken flock.
• Increased freezer capacity
• Solar food dryer –homemade and huge. http://www.homepower.com/files/fooddeh.pdf

• This is a big one: I dry 50 pounds of a 75% chicken heart 25% chicken liver mixture every week to provide for the carnivores in the predicted protein scarcity. It will keep forever and feed everything from cats, dogs, chickens. Even if the timing is all wrong and the event happens in two years we will have the protein ready.

• A large supply of canned chicken and chicken broth
• A half pallet of Kelp for fertilizer and animal nutrition
• Blood meal for fertilizer- won’t be available in a protein shortage.
• We both work out of the house- no commute
• Back-up livestock feeding system—wheat sprouts.
• Ample stores of fabric, thread, buttons, elastic, personal paper supplies, computer supplies, cleaning supplies, batteries, personal hygiene, rubber gloves ( necessary for handling baby livestock )
• Husband is stock piling used manufacturing equipment (this is his business and particular to us- but at the same time it is tons of metal.)
• Extra underwear, sneakers –things made overseas.
• Cocoa, coffee, tea, sugar, spices (frozen).
• When I find a bargain I buy back-ups for: blender, food processor, fax-copier, and another sewing machine.
• Basic food stores.
• Wine making supplies.
• Lots of canning supplies
• Buying bulk items at Sam’s in large plastic containers (like pretzels and juice). Those containers store the dried meat superbly and will probably be unavailable or costly.
• Misting systems around the house and in the garden to provide cheap A/C. Drops temps about 20 degrees if you have the water. http://www.dripworksusa.com/
• Guns and ammo
• Extra propane


In Process
• A whole house fan
• 2 wood stove inserts in the fireplaces


On the drawing board
• Shielding for appliances for the predicted EMP, colossal solar flare, or gamma ray burst. This is not yet clear so I think we have a year or two on this one.
• A solar clothes dryer
• Solar panels on the roof-rising to the top of the list. We are probably starting a photovoltaic company in the near future. Husband is an ME (mechanical engineer) and there is local talent wanting to run with this.
• A generator.
• A beer refrigerator. Kegs recycle.


Thinking about but have reservations
• A small Dexter milk cow
• A mule for mowing grass, providing manure and a trip to town.
• A motorcycle
• A powered bicycle
 
Green

Green

Paranoid in Los Angeles
Wow, you are light years ahead of me! I'm rather envious!

I moved my 401K to PM's;
Moved my family out of L.A. 4 years ago, now way north L.A. County and ahead of the pack in case I need to bug out;
TurboDiesel Excursion topped off and sitting in the garage for getaway;
Diesel motorhome stocked and topped off in case we have to leave without looking back, with full solar electrical system for when we get "there;"
Couple of 4cyl econo-car purchases in the last year;
Freeze dried foods;
Planted garden at home;
25K gallon pool with salt water system kept very light on salt so can use for cooking if need be;
And a back roads escape escape route driven, timed, which can take us from home to AZ non-stop without once coming close to a major town.
Harley . . . just for the heck of it . . .

Guns, ammo, ect . . .

But by and large, I expect to sit things out and see what happens . . . and make course corrections as necessary.
 
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momof23goats

Deceased
more goats, a woodcook stove, and off gas, heating with wood, going for off the grid completely.out of stocks, and 401 k'sm, into coin, money. and things to barter.
 
Sozo

Sozo

Insignificant Contributor
That's very nice, and I'm certainly happy for you, BUT....
What about those of us that don't have $25,000 for preps??

I'm the type that picks up a few extra canned goods each time I go to the store, and that's about it!

Anything beyond that would be out of our budget, and relying on DEBT for preps.

Of course I could always max out the cards IF they were accepted moments after TSHTF, but it's a real iffy scenario.

Any prep suggestions on the cheap?
 
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Roxann

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Sozo said:
That's very nice, and I'm certainly happy for you, BUT....
What about those of us that don't have $25,000 for preps??

I'm the type that picks up a few extra canned goods each time I go to the store, and that's about it!

Anything beyond that would be out of our budget, and relying on DEBT for preps.

Of course I could always max out the cards IF they were accepted moments after TSHTF, but it's a real iffy scenario.

Any prep suggestions on the cheap?
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I have been prepping since 1982. I store what I eat and rotate. If you
have the ability, buy a 50lb bag of rice at Cosco or Sam's. Buy 200lbs in
the next two months which I believe will cost you around $40.

Check the thrift shops . Do you garbage pick or dumpster dive?
Do you plant a garden? Seeds are cheap. Do you know how to can
and dehydrate? Canners and dehydraters can be found at thrift shops
or yard sales. You would be surprised what people throw out.
What are your talents? Can you trade your talents for more preps?
Just a few ideas which don't cost a great deal of money. Time is
getting short.
 
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Woolly

Veteran Member
Sozo, rice and pinto beans are still pretty cheap.

Fifty or a hundred pounds of each plus makings for gravy etc. should not be too expensive. But, you will need things to spice up such meals.

Toilet paper and paper towels are still reasonable, but becoming more expensive. You can NEVER have enough toilet paper, so a trip to Sam's Club for a supply will not break the budget. Do you have bug spray? How about washing powder?

Coffee (Maxwell House) at Wally World is still pretty cheap (~$2.50 per 13 oz block) and will likely become very expensive and in short supply if the dollar breaks down further (Likely). Coffee is an import. Pick up an extra 5 lbs of sugar while you're at it.

Try not to think about putting a year's supply of food away when you're starting out on a tight budget. Think in terms of one month. What do you need for a no frills diet to sustain your family for one month. Then work on that- building the inventory as time and money allow. You will be surprised how quickly you can accomplish the one month goal.

Vegitable garden seeds are still available. If you have the room in your yard, you may find it useful to plant a garden this year. You should begin to get some veggies to harvest in 60 days. In any event, the preparation of the land for growing will put you ahead of the curve for next year. Seeds could be in short supply next year.

Hope the above will help

Woolly
 
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jlee

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Well, I hope you're wrong about the timing.

But in any case, exactly how do you use the mister for a/c? Is it inside or outside? Is it hooked up to a hose, or do you pump by hand? And which of their misters do you use?
 
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dragonslayer2001

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RheaLady

great article on the super solar dehydrator.

One thing you are certainly lacking - weapons to defend all that and yourselves., and the bullets to go along with them,

and, some stuff to "run" with if you have to abandon all that.
 
rhealady

rhealady

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jlee said:
Well, I hope you're wrong about the timing.

But in any case, exactly how do you use the mister for a/c? Is it inside or outside? Is it hooked up to a hose, or do you pump by hand? And which of their misters do you use?
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Go to the dripworks site and look up misting systems. They are pretty cheap and easy to install outside the house, but If money is an issue just install them on the sunny side--and they will pay for themselves in A/C. We also used them at a business that was in a very inefficient building. The customers loved walking through the misters in the summer and the postman came by a couple of times a day.
They attach to a hose and we have them on timers because we are on a well. They work on the principle of evaporation.

By the way the birds love them and will spend hours around the house.
 
Jmurman

Jmurman

Veteran Member
iboya said:
Can someone please define a PM.
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PM in the literal sense means Precious metals...i.e. gold coins, silver coins bars etc. There are some that define PM's as gold stocks (mines etc)
 
rhealady

rhealady

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Jmurman said:
How were you able to move your 401K out of the plan and into PM's?
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http://sterling-trust.com/

After you have read the forms call them to walk you through it. The redeeming company can be a real nuisance.

I used a local coin dealer who was able to spend some time sorting out the choices, sterling doesn't sell coins: they sell a legal structure to qualify as an IRA and the vault to store your stuff. Depending on the plan your "stuff" can include deeds and gems.
 
Jmurman

Jmurman

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rhealady said:
http://sterling-trust.com/

After you have read the forms call them to walk you through it. The redeeming company can be a real nuisance.

I used a local coin dealer who was able to spend some time sorting out the choices, sterling doesn't sell coins: they sell a legal structure to qualify as an IRA and the vault to store your stuff. Depending on the plan your "stuff" can include deeds and gems.
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So, your 401K is inactive, in other words, you aren't working and contributing to it. It was basically a roll over.

Right now I am currently still contributing to my 401K at work...and unless I quit my job cannot "cash" it out or roll it over into another company.
 
rhealady

rhealady

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jlee said:
Well, I hope you're wrong about the timing.

But in any case, exactly how do you use the mister for a/c? Is it inside or outside? Is it hooked up to a hose, or do you pump by hand? And which of their misters do you use?
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We use the misters for cooling, with the inexpensive cool breeze misting nozzles. The basic misting kit with 8 nozzles , which will do about 50 feet is only $25. For additional nozzles figure $1.75 each (complete) plus $6 for 100 feet of 1/4" polyethylene hose.
 
rhealady

rhealady

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jlee said:
Well, I hope you're wrong about the timing.

It is not my timing-it is the charts that Cliff develops. They have become eerily accurate. We don't know exactly what will happen but there is a huge emotive spike at the end of August. There was a huge (at the time) spike when New Orleans went under but the spike coming is many, many times larger than the Katrina spike. That is why we are all looking at August.

I know many of you want to actually see them but we can't put them on the web. Someone published the last one on the web and it almost ended the web bots. The data collection would be so tainted as to make it invalid. Cliff developed a filter system which saved the bots.
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Jmurman

Jmurman

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rhealady said:
jlee said:
Well, I hope you're wrong about the timing.

It is not my timing-it the the charts that Cliff develops. They have become eerily accurate. We don't know exactly what will happen but there is a huge emotive spike at the end of August. There was a huge (at the time) spike when New Orleans went under but the spike coming is many, many times larger than the Katrina spike. That is why we are all looking at August.

I know many of you want to actually see them but we can't put them on the web. Someone published the last one on the web and it almost ended the web bots. The data collection would be so tainted as to make it invalid. Cliff developed a filter system which saved the bots.
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Where do you see these web bots?
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FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks for the suggestions for prepping on the cheap---some people know how to do that but there are always those who don't, but are serious about wanting to learn.
 
von Koehler

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is from George Ure's public access site, so it does not represent a misuse of his proprietary web bot runs. What they mean or how accurate they are I leave up to you, gentle reader.

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

Flavius Aetius

QUOTE:

Wednesday May 10

Email.

I was a guest on {Deleted - Alan} radio show last night (last minute notice) and a reader wrote in today:

"On your "UrbanSurvival.com, could you possibly list the 10-things (which you talked about on {Deleted - Alan} last evening) that the web bots think may happen between now and the end of the year? I tried to make notes but you were to fast for me.

Thanks for "peoplenomics". I love it."

Well, it's a bit early, but if I recall correctly, it was something like this:

1. International incident (later this month)

2. Inflation starts up in earnest

3. Oil hits $100 a barrel this summer

4. $5.00 gas this summer

5. Shortages in store and supermarkets.

6. Restrictions on travel in earnest.

7. Second international incident by fall

8. Ugly/riotous summer of unrest in big cities, economics

9. Politicos demand "belt tightening" by working people not at fault

10. Mega quake

On this last one, I've been thinking about the worst case that would fit descriptors as I read them of 20-million people displaced and so on.... I'm thinking a 9.3 - 9.5 earthquake in the Vancouver B.C. area would fill the bill. It would cause shortages as all the Lower Mainland port activities end, Ports of Seattle and Tacoma would be damaged by th tsunami, fish in the streets of a state capitol (an almost 3-year old image but unfulfilled down at the archetype level). And with the Vancouver Stock Exchange the home to so many junior gold and silver (plus other metals stocks) it would push gold and silver through the roof.

Worst: The area's due. That could result in lava flows at Mts. Baker, Rainer, St. Helens, Hood, Three Sisters...take your pick. No power, no water and it would fit a "50-degrees" reference.

I'll let you know when the next web bot run sign ups open - I can't recommend them highly enough because it gets you mentally ready for the "attack on the psyche" that come in "real time" via news. If you have a month or three to "brace" the flow of news becomes quite interesting to watch. Not relaxing, but the stress is lowered dramatically. Unless you're in the quake area.

No, Vancouver is not specifically mentioned, and because I can fill in virtually all the blanks so well with the linguistic descriptor sets, Cliff figures it won't happen that way. OK, maybe Sacramento will have the fish in the streets... July/August? We'll see...

UNQUOTE.
 
hitssquad

hitssquad

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Web bot oracles and the Schizotypal Personality Disorder (StPD)

abbershay said:
What is a Web bot and how do they come to their conclusions?
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It is a supposed oracle that analyzes frequencies of keyword usage on the web. Supposedly its ability to predict the future is based on a universal subconscious phenomenon that operates within people and causes them to use certain words more or less frequently depending upon what is going to happen in the near future.

As for people who believe it can work, see:
http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/schtypal.htm

  • superstitious or preoccupied with paranormal phenomena
  • odd beliefs or magical thinking

=-=
Schizotypal personality disorder encompasses a combination of peculiar behavior, speech, thought, and perception. Individuals with StPD are usually withdrawn and display eccentric beliefs, paranoid tendencies, idiosyncratic speech, perceptual illusion
[...]
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Sozo

Sozo

Insignificant Contributor
hitssquad said:
As for people who believe it can work, see:
http://www.toad.net/~arcturus/dd/schtypal.htm
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You are obviously not familiar with the field of quantum mechanics, where WORDS actually affect physical matter (as exemplified with the water bottles in 'What the bleep do we know').

Or in biblical literature, where God SAID let there be light and there was light. Or where Jesus SAID to the fig tree to die, and it did, or where he tells us to SPEAK to circumstances for an expected result.

Just because you don't understand the WHY behind something, doesn't mean that everyone that somewhat understands it is delusional.

The emotive words that these bots are picking up on are collective thought among thousands of people world wide, and seem to be either:
A: picking up on future events
or
B: Picking up linguistic confluences which actually create an imagined outcome.
 
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Double_A

TB Fanatic
Be careful of your thoughts, for they become words.
Be careful of your words, for they become actions.

Changes in language preceed changes in action, pick up the changes in words....

Events occuring in time create ripple effects that in all directions including BEFORE the event takes place. Like a pebble in the water the closer you are to the splash the more noticible it is to you both in it's physical effects and in time. Hence more easily discernable before the event.

This is why people are able flash an instant before a large tramatic event and perceive it, much less so if the event is small in it's impact.

You think this stuff is spooky, you need to check out a branch of physics called Cosmology and some of their theries on how the world operates...parallel universes, string theories. I firmly believe at some point in the furture will will actually have scientific proof and an explaination for what the majority of people discount as weirdo stuff.

Just think of all the stuff we have right now that would be totally unimaginable to people just 200 years ago...TV, radio, computers, electricity, cars, planes.
 
Lurking LRRP

Lurking LRRP

Contributing Member
prepping on the cheap for SOHO

I usually spend $30 every payday towards preps, twice a month. I would also tell you to go to Big Lots for a couple of Kerosene Lanterns($1.99 each) or wally world for $7. Then start out buying the lamp oil at wally world until you can afford the big jug of kerosene at lowes or HD. If you have a spouse and children start watching the "little house on the prarie" dvd's, and take mental notes of how they live, kerosene lamps, growing what you eat/trade for. The 1880's could be here next week and at least they would know what to expect, Humans have lived like that and done well at it. I am currently working on getting my old mountain bike from college up to speed, new tires and those old metal baskets for the back and front to help carry groceries and looking to get 2 pegs for the back for some to stand on, in case i need to ride to pick someone up from school or work. And buy the "Foxfire" series of books on Amazon, used or new, they have lots of great info on how you will make a life being extremely poor and with out electricity post that high speed fan poop thing

It is hard to prep the way you want if you have kids and bills. I just take it one step at a time and pray God will supply the rest

Lurking LRRP :sh1:

PS. if you can't afford a CAR-15 and lots of ammo, buy a cheap mossberg 500 12 gauge with lots of cheap bird shot and some special rounds like flachet, armor piercing and dragons breath, I would think twice about attacking a house after 150 feet of white hot fire came from it. Skinny's hate fire
 
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Double_A

TB Fanatic
okie medicvet said:
So did the 'webbots' predict the volcano fixin to go off?
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The webbots don't predict anything.

However there was a webbot report that suggested that a large volcano in IIRC the New Zeland area might be an issue.

You see the webbots don't actually predict anything, they pick up changes in language and discussion that may suggest somethings up. For example, let's say the webbots pick up words like VP, Cheney, Shooting, Cheney ok, injury, short hospital stay.

So one interpretation of this may be the Vice President is Shot, but not fatally. So they send out bots that look for words like assasination, and nothing comes back.

The people who direct the bot program don't know what to make of the whole situation. A month or two later Cheney is involved in a hunting accident. The the bots people go "oh now it's clear what we were looking at"

I believe it was in June or July before 9/11 bots came with words and phrases that indicated there would be an attack against a large financial institution. Ok, so what the hell does that mean? It wasn't interpreted at a physical attack against the World Trade Center but as a financial attack.

does this help you understand why this whole thing is like juggling jello?

Do the bot have value? HELL YES, does it predict the future, NOT really, like a puzzle sometimes the picture becomes clear only after all he facts come in.
 
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dragonslayer2001

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I have

a question for those long time subscribers to the bots, of which I know there are several on TB.

Do the runs normally look particularly nasty the way the latest run does?

I am working my way through it, again, and will again work my way through the one from last spring to see how much of it flows over into this year also.

It is NOT looking pleasant right now and I am wondering if you would all rush out like crazy to prep the way people are now, BASED on reports from say two or three years ago.

tanks,

ds
 
rhealady

rhealady

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That is exactly the point! The reports from two or three years ago would vaguely talk about the collapse of the dollar or the demise of this administration.

Now, they are detailed and absolutely scary. So, because of the hits we look at them very seriously. The same subjects keep coming up, obtuse at first and then much more in focus as we approach the occurrence. Yet, out here in the real world, I just don't see anything healthy about this economy or our government, which is what I would expect before a major bot hit. It is unsustainable. I don't need the bots to tell me that and yet they do. The forecast dollar collapse may take years, but the bots are suggesting an Argentine experience, not the slow decline of Britain in the last century.

Some of the preps make sense anyway in this time of increasing energy cost. It is just prudent to find ways to reduce energy use in any way possible.

I don't know if this is the run, but in one run it describes the economic conditions becoming so uncomfortable that the Mexicans go home. I lived in Slidell, LA during the oil crash of the 80's in what was then the faster growing and hottest real estate market in the country. It soured in 3 months and foreclosures were the only houses selling within 6 months. It was economic devastation for the entire community. Having lived through it once we do not want to rehash that lesson, casting a blind eye to the current real estate bubble.

Yes sirree, they are very bad right now.
 
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dragonslayer2001

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Thanks

That was my feeling, as I have only had access to bits and pieces for most of the time I was aware of the bots.

Yes, very detailed and they "confirm", to me, what I have been forecasting in the larger sense.
 
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