Herding cats? Oh my! You should try running THIS place!!!! Now THAT is an exercise in cat-hearding....
[preps] Pop Quiz - BUGOUT!
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I have thought of this many times since moving here 27 years ago - we live in the ten mile radius of a nuke plant and in our yearly bulliten have been told we would be told to evacuate and to leave all pets behind and leave enough food and water for three days - get real - the animals [ horses,goats,dogs] would have their water dumped/fouled or food eaten in less than two days - more concern with water esp if this is in summer heat - it would be impossible to have enough water out since we have automatic waterers and the 2,000 gal tanks would run dry before 3 days [ 400 goats would take care of that for sure ] even if we stopped all the leaks and took time to turn off all the plant waterers - sooooo what I am saying is what some dairy farmers in this area have said - we are staying here [ can you imagine just leaving a modern day milk cow for three days - say dead and dying animals ] - we have radiation meters [ heck three of them - hubby use to work at nuke plant] and would stay on top of things - there is no way we could do anything for the animals and get stuff together for us - guess we will just stay here - saying that we are already a distance away from main town and have a very good fire buffer [ goat took care of that] and other things
have thought alot about this and yes our lives are more important than the animals but have even thought of what animals I would put in the big trailer if we had to take what would be needed to survive and not come home - sobering thoughts - the trailer is already loaded in the nose of the gooseneck with everything we use for camping at shows so has already camping gear and water plus lots of room but limits where we could go with that whale of a trailer [ 35 feet is sure not easy to move in tight spaces] - but if had enough time could be a good ark - heck could even take portable fences on side of trailer - probably would take the one horse who is well trained but she will take up alot of room but give more flexablity and transportation than the 10 goats she would take room from - heck if had time we could put our neighbors one horse cart on the roof of the trailer - heck if had time could double deck the trailer except for where the horse will be and even increase the amount the trailer could hold - of course the truck would be hurting if had to haul that kind of load up the mountains in the summer heat[sigh]
we had friends with only 80 goats have to move because of river rising and went through that - she just left it to us to move the goats and we could do that with squezing them in the trailer
very sobering thoughts
have thought alot about this and yes our lives are more important than the animals but have even thought of what animals I would put in the big trailer if we had to take what would be needed to survive and not come home - sobering thoughts - the trailer is already loaded in the nose of the gooseneck with everything we use for camping at shows so has already camping gear and water plus lots of room but limits where we could go with that whale of a trailer [ 35 feet is sure not easy to move in tight spaces] - but if had enough time could be a good ark - heck could even take portable fences on side of trailer - probably would take the one horse who is well trained but she will take up alot of room but give more flexablity and transportation than the 10 goats she would take room from - heck if had time we could put our neighbors one horse cart on the roof of the trailer - heck if had time could double deck the trailer except for where the horse will be and even increase the amount the trailer could hold - of course the truck would be hurting if had to haul that kind of load up the mountains in the summer heat[sigh]
we had friends with only 80 goats have to move because of river rising and went through that - she just left it to us to move the goats and we could do that with squezing them in the trailer
very sobering thoughts
MataPam
Veteran Member
For me it would depend on the time of day, day of the week and time of year.
_Right_Now_ I am home alone. Grab the three ready to go boxes, the bottled water in the laundry room, the dog food, sleeping bags, changes of clothes, dogs, throw hay, turn horse trough on to drip and go.
Agonizing over the kid 40 miles away, in town (Houston)at college with no transportation. DH is at work, halfway there. 20 minutes isn't enough time for him to _get_ there, let alone bug out after picking the kid up.
Rendezvous at _other_ kid's place (Austin), unless that's being evacced as well.
At that point, the crisis had better be brief, cause the other family places to go are El Paso TX and Sacramento CA.
On a weekend, on the other hand, DH and kid will be here, and we'll travel caravan style, and probably remember DH's meds and toothbrushes.
Over the Summer, both kids will be here, and a third car. We'd probably have enough hands and brains to grab some tools, the generator and gas cans, camping equipment and half sabotage the fence between my pasture and the fenced orchard and ponds next door, so the horses could and would break through if we didn't get back for weeks.
All things considered, I'm planning on sheltering in place, even though I have those easy to grab boxes. My main worry is the Houston kid. He's got two more finals, then he's out of there. I will _not_ be bothered by the massive influx of kids this summer. I have discovered that the noise on weekends is vastly reassuring.
_Right_Now_ I am home alone. Grab the three ready to go boxes, the bottled water in the laundry room, the dog food, sleeping bags, changes of clothes, dogs, throw hay, turn horse trough on to drip and go.
Agonizing over the kid 40 miles away, in town (Houston)at college with no transportation. DH is at work, halfway there. 20 minutes isn't enough time for him to _get_ there, let alone bug out after picking the kid up.
Rendezvous at _other_ kid's place (Austin), unless that's being evacced as well.
At that point, the crisis had better be brief, cause the other family places to go are El Paso TX and Sacramento CA.
On a weekend, on the other hand, DH and kid will be here, and we'll travel caravan style, and probably remember DH's meds and toothbrushes.
Over the Summer, both kids will be here, and a third car. We'd probably have enough hands and brains to grab some tools, the generator and gas cans, camping equipment and half sabotage the fence between my pasture and the fenced orchard and ponds next door, so the horses could and would break through if we didn't get back for weeks.
All things considered, I'm planning on sheltering in place, even though I have those easy to grab boxes. My main worry is the Houston kid. He's got two more finals, then he's out of there. I will _not_ be bothered by the massive influx of kids this summer. I have discovered that the noise on weekends is vastly reassuring.
We have all our stuff stored in a "room" totally devoted to "prep".
(except guns and ammo ) and reloading supplies.Unfortunately, it probably needs to be on wheels.... Thanks for pointing that out...
Just so happens to be that we have the "wheels" to make that happen!
Thanks for pointing it out....
(except guns and ammo ) and reloading supplies.Unfortunately, it probably needs to be on wheels.... Thanks for pointing that out...
Just so happens to be that we have the "wheels" to make that happen!
Thanks for pointing it out....
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
I'm glad to see this thread -- very thought provoking. There are only a couple of things (I think) that could make us bug out. One is if the volcanoes around us decided to act up, in which case we'd have plenty of warning. The other is if there was a nuclear attack. In that case, I don't think we'd have enough warning to do more than take cover (small Air Guard base about twelve miles from us, and an AF Radar station on top of the hill due south of us -- probably no more than two miles in a straight line). If we survived the initial blast of a nuke attack, we would probably need to head west . . . into the mountains. But I don't know if our vehicles would be running by then.
Anyway, keeping within the parameters of this challenge:
First I would put my daughter in Grandma's station wagon, and tell her to stay put (she ALWAYS gets in the way and under foot when I'm in a hurry). I would tell Grandma to get her BOB, a couple of her guns and ammo for them, and a bag full of clothes, then pull the flats of food out of the pantry.
While they were doing that, I would haul water and BOB's out to the SW, plus bedding and a bag of clothes for each of us. Then the camping gear, some cooking stuff, and the food, including dog food. Next load a couple of bales of hay on top of the SW (that's a trick -- will have to think about how to do that, because the bales are too heavy for me to lift -- probably break them and put them up in pieces, then tarp them), plus put the goat grain and minerals in the back of the SW. Load as many tools as are handy, also into SW. Load goats, water buckets, leashes, and packs into the van. If there was any time left (probably not, since it would take a few minutes to get the goats loaded) I'd grab the contents of our medicine cabinets and all the extra soap and towels in the house, not to mention TP, etc. We have some in our BOBs, but it would be nice to have extra.
Cats stay at the house -- it would be too hard to try to keep track of six cats if we ended up out in the woods, or anyplace else, not to mention catching them all in the first place. Dog goes with us -- he's protection. Poultry would have to stay, since it would take too long to round them up.
Grandma has mostly quit driving, even though she still has her DL, but for bug-out purposes, she would drive the SW, while I drove the van full of goats and the dog.
I hope it never comes to this, because it would probably take me the twenty minutes just to convince Grandma that the threat was real and imminent enough to actually do something about it!
Kathleen
Anyway, keeping within the parameters of this challenge:
First I would put my daughter in Grandma's station wagon, and tell her to stay put (she ALWAYS gets in the way and under foot when I'm in a hurry). I would tell Grandma to get her BOB, a couple of her guns and ammo for them, and a bag full of clothes, then pull the flats of food out of the pantry.
While they were doing that, I would haul water and BOB's out to the SW, plus bedding and a bag of clothes for each of us. Then the camping gear, some cooking stuff, and the food, including dog food. Next load a couple of bales of hay on top of the SW (that's a trick -- will have to think about how to do that, because the bales are too heavy for me to lift -- probably break them and put them up in pieces, then tarp them), plus put the goat grain and minerals in the back of the SW. Load as many tools as are handy, also into SW. Load goats, water buckets, leashes, and packs into the van. If there was any time left (probably not, since it would take a few minutes to get the goats loaded) I'd grab the contents of our medicine cabinets and all the extra soap and towels in the house, not to mention TP, etc. We have some in our BOBs, but it would be nice to have extra.
Cats stay at the house -- it would be too hard to try to keep track of six cats if we ended up out in the woods, or anyplace else, not to mention catching them all in the first place. Dog goes with us -- he's protection. Poultry would have to stay, since it would take too long to round them up.
Grandma has mostly quit driving, even though she still has her DL, but for bug-out purposes, she would drive the SW, while I drove the van full of goats and the dog.
I hope it never comes to this, because it would probably take me the twenty minutes just to convince Grandma that the threat was real and imminent enough to actually do something about it!
Kathleen
PilotFighter
Bomb & Bullet Technician
I can grab the BOB's, all guns and ammo, enough food for a year, and the dog, and be gone in under 15 minutes. No need to stop and get gas. I always keep the front tank on the truck full. The back tank never gets under 1/2 full. I keep everything all together now in a new closet that I built just for preps with the room additions.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
The van is mostly packed already. (I have everything we need EVERY TIME WE CROSS THE NARROWS BRIDGE) I prepare for the earthquake that COULD strike while we are across the bridge unable to return home for a couple weeks.
When we leave to cross the bridge I just get the entire stock of medicines, the walkie talkies, and the important papers.
Now if we were knowingly bugging out from the house I would add the new garbage can full of preps in the hall closet, a couple of 1 person 3 day dehydrated food kits and a few cases of water.
When we leave to cross the bridge I just get the entire stock of medicines, the walkie talkies, and the important papers.
Now if we were knowingly bugging out from the house I would add the new garbage can full of preps in the hall closet, a couple of 1 person 3 day dehydrated food kits and a few cases of water.
A.T.Hagan
Inactive
I think I could still get most of the stuff into our two vehicles (one being a rental at the moment) that I listed two years ago but I'd end up leaving stuff behind, I'm sure. Maybe when it gets really torrid outside this summer and I'm looking for excuses not to do real work I'll get this stuff policed up and squared away again.
This was a good thread. It's worth revisiting.
.....Alan.
This was a good thread. It's worth revisiting.
.....Alan.
oldladydoolin
Inactive
We only have 20 minutes? With that little amount of time, I am doomed. It would take me an hour just to get over knowing I had only 20 minute to grab and run. I would have to set down and drink a cup of coffee and get my nerves calmed down first. Besides, I would need a semi truck to take everything that I have prepped for, maybe a Uhaul would do it. I have everything stored in large totes. This is something I really need to think about.
Hansa44
Justine Case
After reading this thread I now know the most important thing I can do is make a list of what the most important things are that I want to take with me and where they are. Then tape it to the inside of a cabinet door.
AND to make sure that what I have on that list will fit in the car.
AND to make sure that what I have on that list will fit in the car.
hitssquad
Inactive
cin
Inactive
Hmmm...
A change of clothes for each of us (what I pick would depend on the season, but should include hats and extra pair of shoes), a couple of blankets and pillows, medication, irreplaceable papers (might be a good idea to scan everything ahead of time, and place onto a thumbdrive or disk), cell phone, lighter or matches, food for a couple of days that will not require utensils (for all, including pets, and would include things like tuna pouches, sardines, bread and crackers), lots of bottled water and an empty bowl for the dogs and cat to drink from, all the cash I have, baby wipes, pepper spray, stun gun, flashlight, the dogs, the cat, the birds in a portable cage that I have, hand sanitizer, a roll of paper towels, maybe a large tarp and some rope....
Sadly, I would have to leave the fish.
Ultimately, most of this stuff would be packed and ready to go at a moments notice.
edited to add: uh oh, almost forgot the solar powered radio
A change of clothes for each of us (what I pick would depend on the season, but should include hats and extra pair of shoes), a couple of blankets and pillows, medication, irreplaceable papers (might be a good idea to scan everything ahead of time, and place onto a thumbdrive or disk), cell phone, lighter or matches, food for a couple of days that will not require utensils (for all, including pets, and would include things like tuna pouches, sardines, bread and crackers), lots of bottled water and an empty bowl for the dogs and cat to drink from, all the cash I have, baby wipes, pepper spray, stun gun, flashlight, the dogs, the cat, the birds in a portable cage that I have, hand sanitizer, a roll of paper towels, maybe a large tarp and some rope....
Sadly, I would have to leave the fish.
Ultimately, most of this stuff would be packed and ready to go at a moments notice.
edited to add: uh oh, almost forgot the solar powered radio
FloridaGirl
Veteran Member
Being in hurricane country, I stay prepared and ready to leave at a moments notice. I have turned my computer room into a storage of some sort. I ordered three large duffle bags in which I have a pet bag, a hurricane bag that contains batteries, flashlights, candles, matches, duct tape, tarps, etc. I have a bag which is full of medicines like collodial silver, sambucol, first aid supplies, etc.
I keep my Tahoe loaded with our BOB's along with thirty days worth of food and two cases of bottled water. Would load more water, get my guns and ammo and pick up my other duffle bag that I keep packed with extra clothes, clean out the pet cabinet, throw in more pillows and blankets from the beds and if time load up more food from the cabinets. Get the kids and animals and leave. Keep car full at all times.
I even made out an emergency list and hung it on the wall over the packed duffle bags of things to not forget in case I am in a panic and my mind goes blank, I can just read the list and send the kids to gather everything. Now my problem would be trying to get out of town with 60,000 other people with only three ways out of the city.
I keep my Tahoe loaded with our BOB's along with thirty days worth of food and two cases of bottled water. Would load more water, get my guns and ammo and pick up my other duffle bag that I keep packed with extra clothes, clean out the pet cabinet, throw in more pillows and blankets from the beds and if time load up more food from the cabinets. Get the kids and animals and leave. Keep car full at all times.
I even made out an emergency list and hung it on the wall over the packed duffle bags of things to not forget in case I am in a panic and my mind goes blank, I can just read the list and send the kids to gather everything. Now my problem would be trying to get out of town with 60,000 other people with only three ways out of the city.
Christian for Israel
Knight of Jerusalem
bug-out-bags, gas cans, guns and ammo, prepared case with important papers, pics, money, etc. then just get in and go. 
we plan for a 5 minute window of escape as the mines ship potassium cyanide through town on the highway and that is the expected warning time if one were to wreck and leak...
we plan for a 5 minute window of escape as the mines ship potassium cyanide through town on the highway and that is the expected warning time if one were to wreck and leak...Barry Natchitoches
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maybe some of you will not like my answer, but it really does depend on the circumstances. And let me tell you why.
Under NORMAL circumstances, like wild fires or flash flood or hazardous materials emergency -- you know, a situation where one area might be decimated but the rest of the country and .gov itself will still be intact -- I would not pack a whole lot of food or clothing. Some, yes, especially bottles of drinking water and fruit juice, ready to eat foods like Chunky soups (pop top cans), tuna, crackers, peanut butter and jam, MREs, and comfort foods (especially those that my daughter likes, and chocolate for da wife).
And yes, I would take at least one or two complete changes of clothing, including many extra pairs of socks and at least one extra pair of walking shoes.
But if this were a more "normal" type emergency where it was just my home and homes in my area that would be destroyed, I would not pack a whole lot of food or clothing.
Instead, I would make sure I had all my important papers (which should be in a portable, fireproof box long before the emergency situation develops). That includes insurance policies, copies of latest bank records, credit card records, medical records, birth, death and marital certificates, passports, etc, photo copy of driver's license, insurance cards, professional licenses. Also, extra money. I would make sure that box was tucked safely away in the car.
In addition, I would pack the scrapbooks, family photos, and genealogical records that my wife and I have painsakingly researched over the years.
I would pack extra cans of gasoline (covered with old blankets or other stuff so that they could not be easily seen when the trunk was opened).
I would make sure we had latex gloves, N-95 masks or better, and extra baby wipes. I would pack the first aid box, and the box of essential OTC meds (extra strength tylenol, pediatric tylenol, pedialite, naproxen sodium, pepto bismol, the anti-dirreal drug immodium, the stool softner colace, throat losenges, rolaids, cough syrup, benedryl, claratin, anti-fungal ointment and spray, midol for the wife, sambucol, and a bottle of Shaklee multivitamins).
I'd make sure that all prescription meds were packed as well. And I would suggest that both my wife put on some depends and put toddler diapers on our daughter, because bathroom visits might be far and few between. The rest of the packages of depends and toddler diapers would be packed up to go.
By that time, there wouldn't be a whole lot of room left in the car.
I'd make sure that the two cats were in their respective pet carriers, and that we had pet food, litter, and bowls for food and water for them. Also their vet papers.
My wife does not have much expensive jewelry, but she does have a few pieces, and I doubt she would bug out with out them. I'd leave that up to her.
And my daughter would have to have a few favorite toys.
As for my "toys," I'd put a handgun on my person and another one where I could grab it quickly in the car. Also a shotgun in the back seat (hidden from sight, of course) and extra ammo stashed in several places around the car.
Finally, I'd make sure that my wife and daughter were safely packed in the car. Wouldn't want to leave them behind.
Now, here's the part that some folks might not like.
Why would I not pack a whole lot of food or clothing?
Quite simple. Remember, I said that this was a "normal" emergency -- one where I was having to bug out forever, but the rest of the country was still OK and intact. .gov was still functioning.
In that kind of situation, if it is a big calamity and you are going to loose everything, it is pretty easy to get more food and clothing after you bug out. If you have private insurance (which you should have!) then private insurance will give you money for food and clothing. For those who are not privately insured, or in some cases, for all evacuees (Hurricane Katrina comes to mind here), FEMA and/or the Red Cross and/or the Salvation Army will help replace lost food and clothing as well.
Car space is extremely limited in a emergency bug out situation. Why pack alot of things you can replace easily (eg. alot of food or extra clothing) when there are things that you can never replace (for example, personal papers, family photos and genealogy) that need to go too?
Under NORMAL circumstances, like wild fires or flash flood or hazardous materials emergency -- you know, a situation where one area might be decimated but the rest of the country and .gov itself will still be intact -- I would not pack a whole lot of food or clothing. Some, yes, especially bottles of drinking water and fruit juice, ready to eat foods like Chunky soups (pop top cans), tuna, crackers, peanut butter and jam, MREs, and comfort foods (especially those that my daughter likes, and chocolate for da wife).
And yes, I would take at least one or two complete changes of clothing, including many extra pairs of socks and at least one extra pair of walking shoes.
But if this were a more "normal" type emergency where it was just my home and homes in my area that would be destroyed, I would not pack a whole lot of food or clothing.
Instead, I would make sure I had all my important papers (which should be in a portable, fireproof box long before the emergency situation develops). That includes insurance policies, copies of latest bank records, credit card records, medical records, birth, death and marital certificates, passports, etc, photo copy of driver's license, insurance cards, professional licenses. Also, extra money. I would make sure that box was tucked safely away in the car.
In addition, I would pack the scrapbooks, family photos, and genealogical records that my wife and I have painsakingly researched over the years.
I would pack extra cans of gasoline (covered with old blankets or other stuff so that they could not be easily seen when the trunk was opened).
I would make sure we had latex gloves, N-95 masks or better, and extra baby wipes. I would pack the first aid box, and the box of essential OTC meds (extra strength tylenol, pediatric tylenol, pedialite, naproxen sodium, pepto bismol, the anti-dirreal drug immodium, the stool softner colace, throat losenges, rolaids, cough syrup, benedryl, claratin, anti-fungal ointment and spray, midol for the wife, sambucol, and a bottle of Shaklee multivitamins).
I'd make sure that all prescription meds were packed as well. And I would suggest that both my wife put on some depends and put toddler diapers on our daughter, because bathroom visits might be far and few between. The rest of the packages of depends and toddler diapers would be packed up to go.
By that time, there wouldn't be a whole lot of room left in the car.
I'd make sure that the two cats were in their respective pet carriers, and that we had pet food, litter, and bowls for food and water for them. Also their vet papers.
My wife does not have much expensive jewelry, but she does have a few pieces, and I doubt she would bug out with out them. I'd leave that up to her.
And my daughter would have to have a few favorite toys.
As for my "toys," I'd put a handgun on my person and another one where I could grab it quickly in the car. Also a shotgun in the back seat (hidden from sight, of course) and extra ammo stashed in several places around the car.
Finally, I'd make sure that my wife and daughter were safely packed in the car. Wouldn't want to leave them behind.
Now, here's the part that some folks might not like.
Why would I not pack a whole lot of food or clothing?
Quite simple. Remember, I said that this was a "normal" emergency -- one where I was having to bug out forever, but the rest of the country was still OK and intact. .gov was still functioning.
In that kind of situation, if it is a big calamity and you are going to loose everything, it is pretty easy to get more food and clothing after you bug out. If you have private insurance (which you should have!) then private insurance will give you money for food and clothing. For those who are not privately insured, or in some cases, for all evacuees (Hurricane Katrina comes to mind here), FEMA and/or the Red Cross and/or the Salvation Army will help replace lost food and clothing as well.
Car space is extremely limited in a emergency bug out situation. Why pack alot of things you can replace easily (eg. alot of food or extra clothing) when there are things that you can never replace (for example, personal papers, family photos and genealogy) that need to go too?
hitssquad
Inactive
How to package salt to use as money
...you could make salt capsules containing standardized amounts (say, one gram each). In a dollar-is-dead situation, each one-gram salt capsule might be worth about 25 cents in terms of present time valuation of the dollar. A bottle with 100 capsules would be worth $25. A bottle with 400 capsules would be worth $100.
Also, some of these might come in handy:
Each packet contains 0.75 grams of salt.
Why would you use gold and silver instead of salt? With a cap-m-quick...Dennis Olson said:
...you could make salt capsules containing standardized amounts (say, one gram each). In a dollar-is-dead situation, each one-gram salt capsule might be worth about 25 cents in terms of present time valuation of the dollar. A bottle with 100 capsules would be worth $25. A bottle with 400 capsules would be worth $100.
Also, some of these might come in handy:
Each packet contains 0.75 grams of salt.
idelphic
Inactive
oldladydoolin said:
Yup, same here... I'd be toast... I have some stuff ready... but I need to tend most of it. Been still working on getting shelves and such since we got into the new house.
I have been working on it,.. just have alot of work to get done.. Have to get working on it... Needs to be done... really need to be done.
DENTAL SUPPLIES
Barry Natchitoches said:I would make sure we had latex gloves, N-95 masks or better, and extra baby wipes. I would pack the first aid box, and the box of essential OTC meds (extra strength tylenol, pediatric tylenol, pedialite, naproxen sodium, pepto bismol, the anti-dirreal drug immodium, the stool softner colace, throat losenges, rolaids, cough syrup, benedryl, claratin, anti-fungal ointment and spray, midol for the wife, sambucol, and a bottle of Shaklee multivitamins).
I'd make sure that all prescription meds were packed as well."
Hey, Barry between you, Vlad, Dennis and a couple of thoughtful suggestions from some of our members on the 'hurricane' front lines like Alan and FloridaGirl I've got a lot of good direction. Thanks one and all. One thing I must have missed as i am the walking dead right now is Dental. Except OneByOne " toiletries, brushes, tooth brushes"and Maiden who said "I would take my tooth brush" and i assume toothpaste
If I may say, this is about as an important a 'set' of items to have as many others listed. Perhaps I may humbly suggest that all of us this weekend put together the 'Dental Kit' and put it in the BOB, tote, van, etc.
Mrs Smith
Membership Revoked
Just for the fun of it, I've listed items below, but in 99% of cases, we'd stay put.
Hook the camper (which stays fully loaded with bedding/utensils/cookware/lanterns/axes/propane, etc, etc.) onto the Dodge Ram. Hook the utility trailer to my van and start loading.
Weapons/ammo
Cases of dehydrated/freeze dried food
Cases of canned food
Both BOB's
Dog/crate/dog food
clothes/coats/boots
Propane tanks
Tarp it all and go! Camper can be filling with water while we're doing the rest.
Where we're going, there'll be no traffic, and no one in sight when we get there 2 hours later.
Hook the camper (which stays fully loaded with bedding/utensils/cookware/lanterns/axes/propane, etc, etc.) onto the Dodge Ram. Hook the utility trailer to my van and start loading.
Weapons/ammo
Cases of dehydrated/freeze dried food
Cases of canned food
Both BOB's
Dog/crate/dog food
clothes/coats/boots
Propane tanks
Tarp it all and go! Camper can be filling with water while we're doing the rest.
Where we're going, there'll be no traffic, and no one in sight when we get there 2 hours later.
cin
Inactive
Hmmm..well I had a case of bottled water in the back of my truck for two hot days and it tasted bad. How about in an ice chest or an insulated cooler? I've got one of those around here somewhere. Would it be wise to keep some non-perishable food and water in a cooler in your vehicle?
Hey, I think I answered my own question!
Hey, I think I answered my own question!
hitssquad
Inactive
Why do people buy insurance policies instead of becoming good risks?
I disagree, though I leave open the possibility for exceptions. Getting insurance coverage is generally a bad idea because insurance companies characteristically do not do a good job of discriminating between good risks and poor risks. Good risks end up paying thousands or millions of times their risk's worth. What would be the point of a good-risk buying insurance in an environment like this? Most anyone with at least moderately above-average ability can build his own secure-home for only a few hundred thousand dollars. Would you bother insuring a secure-home that could weather any emergency that could be considered normal (Cat5 hurricane, F5 tornado, Mercalli XII earthquake, massive firestorm, flood, nearby toxic-aerosol truck or train wreck, etc.)?Barry Natchitoches said:
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Freeholder
This too shall pass.
BREWER said:
BREWER said:Barry Natchitoches said:
Oddly enough at this time my wife and I have two bags for toiletries. We were recently given a new bag that is at this time sitting on a shelf just waiting for us to get around to it. The original is always in a state of flux from our travels and now I'll have to double check with the spring cleaning mentality but I'm pretty sure that there are tooth brushes, etc. in our bugout bags. That is if my wife didn't swipe them getting ready for one our out trips anyway.
Bird Guano
Membership Revoked
20 minutes is NO problem.
I can do it in 10.
My bug out trailer is a self-contained "toy hauler" with the partitioned garage.
No toys, just preps.
The "garage" is full of preps. It's basically a storage closet, always kept ready.
Important papers ? Already in a fire safe inside
Firearms/Ammo ? Already in a gun cabinet mounted to the inside wall
Food ? Year supply of Freeze Dried + other essentials pre-loaded
Multi-season clothing, fuel, potable water, medical kit, water treatment plant in a floating waterproof impact resistant case, sanitation.. all self-contained.
It's basically a garage full of preps that can be towed, and it has high enough ground clearance to go off-road
I can do it in 10.
My bug out trailer is a self-contained "toy hauler" with the partitioned garage.
No toys, just preps.
The "garage" is full of preps. It's basically a storage closet, always kept ready.
Important papers ? Already in a fire safe inside
Firearms/Ammo ? Already in a gun cabinet mounted to the inside wall
Food ? Year supply of Freeze Dried + other essentials pre-loaded
Multi-season clothing, fuel, potable water, medical kit, water treatment plant in a floating waterproof impact resistant case, sanitation.. all self-contained.
It's basically a garage full of preps that can be towed, and it has high enough ground clearance to go off-road
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
HITTSQUAD-As far as bartering with salt is concerned, it would be MUCH, MUCH CHEAPER to buy the bulk individualized salt and pepper packets than to buy capsules to fill with salt. EMPTY CAPSULES WOULD COST MORE THAN PREPACKAGED PACKETS AND YOU SAVE THE WORK OF PACKAGING.
1 BOX OF 3,000 Mr.Coffee brand Packets of SALT = $8.99 at OFFICE MAX(or three packets of salt for a little less than a penny)
1 BOX OF 3,000 Mr. Coffee brand Packets of PEPPER =$12.99 AT OFFICE MAX(or two and a half packets of Pepper for a penny)
You could sell each packet for only 5 cents (to start with) and still get $110 back for the $22 you spent. Later, if the going rate was only 15 cents a packet of salt you would get a $330 return for your $22 investment.
http://www.officemax.com/max/soluti...ring=SALT+PACKETS&searchBtn.x=0&searchBtn.y=0
1 BOX OF 3,000 Mr.Coffee brand Packets of SALT = $8.99 at OFFICE MAX(or three packets of salt for a little less than a penny)
1 BOX OF 3,000 Mr. Coffee brand Packets of PEPPER =$12.99 AT OFFICE MAX(or two and a half packets of Pepper for a penny)
You could sell each packet for only 5 cents (to start with) and still get $110 back for the $22 you spent. Later, if the going rate was only 15 cents a packet of salt you would get a $330 return for your $22 investment.
http://www.officemax.com/max/soluti...ring=SALT+PACKETS&searchBtn.x=0&searchBtn.y=0
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cin
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Bird Guano said:20 minutes is NO problem.
I can do it in 10.
My bug out trailer is a self-contained "toy hauler" with the partitioned garage.
No toys, just preps.
The "garage" is full of preps. It's basically a storage closet, always kept ready.
Important papers ? Already in a fire safe inside
Firearms/Ammo ? Already in a gun cabinet mounted to the inside wall
Food ? Year supply of Freeze Dried + other essentials pre-loaded
Multi-season clothing, fuel, potable water, medical kit, water treatment plant in a floating waterproof impact resistant case, sanitation.. all self-contained.
It's basically a garage full of preps that can be towed, and it has high enough ground clearance to go off-road
Dang, you're good. I think you're winning so far.
The Freeholder
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My family couldn't do it in 20 minutes. Best case scenario is 6 fast and furious hours.
Heck, it'd take 20 minutes just to pry them out from the in front of the TV, Playstation and etc.
Heck, it'd take 20 minutes just to pry them out from the in front of the TV, Playstation and etc.
annieosage
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This is a great thread.
I would bring Kid, dog, food, water, clothing, toiletries. Most of these are already packed and ready to go.
My thing is, there are only 2 main highways out of Vegas- the 15 and the 95- either north or south. With that in mind, depending on the emergency, we would probably stay put rather that get stuck in a huge log jam of cars- especially in the summer heat. It is already low 100's here and cars burn out fast. I have run through this scenario in my mind so many times but in the mind is one thing- practicing it is another. I just may have to have a drill this weekend....
I would bring Kid, dog, food, water, clothing, toiletries. Most of these are already packed and ready to go.
My thing is, there are only 2 main highways out of Vegas- the 15 and the 95- either north or south. With that in mind, depending on the emergency, we would probably stay put rather that get stuck in a huge log jam of cars- especially in the summer heat. It is already low 100's here and cars burn out fast. I have run through this scenario in my mind so many times but in the mind is one thing- practicing it is another. I just may have to have a drill this weekend....
No legs....maybe a wheeled chair.
I keep a rubbermaid tub in the trunk at all times.
It's contents: (roughly)
- 1ea. Wool Blanket, OD
- 1ea. Old Timer 5in Sheath Knife
- First Aid kit, in gallon-sized transparent Ziploc bag
- Watch Cap, wool
- 1ea pr Heavy Leather Gloves
- 2ea. 1 gallon water containers, full
- 1ea flashlight, w/spare batts.
- 6ea. 'snap lite' chem sticks
- 2 ea. 50ft lengths Paracord, OD
- 1ea cravat,OD
- 4ea Road Flares
- 2ea cans Sterno fuel
- 1ea 8x10 tarp, blue
- spare pair sox, heavy
- fire kit, to include:
- 2ea Bic lighters
- 3ea of 3pk Hexamine wafers
- 20ea Strike Anywhere matches
In addition to this 'trunk box' I keep these items inside the car:
- Glock 19, w/2spare mags
- 100rds 9mm HP
- CRKT 3in folder
- Mini Maglite
- Xtreme water filter(katadyn)
By no means complete by some standards, but wouldn't raise an eyebrow if an LEO gave it the once over.
cryhavoc
I keep a rubbermaid tub in the trunk at all times.
It's contents: (roughly)
- 1ea. Wool Blanket, OD
- 1ea. Old Timer 5in Sheath Knife
- First Aid kit, in gallon-sized transparent Ziploc bag
- Watch Cap, wool
- 1ea pr Heavy Leather Gloves
- 2ea. 1 gallon water containers, full
- 1ea flashlight, w/spare batts.
- 6ea. 'snap lite' chem sticks
- 2 ea. 50ft lengths Paracord, OD
- 1ea cravat,OD
- 4ea Road Flares
- 2ea cans Sterno fuel
- 1ea 8x10 tarp, blue
- spare pair sox, heavy
- fire kit, to include:
- 2ea Bic lighters
- 3ea of 3pk Hexamine wafers
- 20ea Strike Anywhere matches
In addition to this 'trunk box' I keep these items inside the car:
- Glock 19, w/2spare mags
- 100rds 9mm HP
- CRKT 3in folder
- Mini Maglite
- Xtreme water filter(katadyn)
By no means complete by some standards, but wouldn't raise an eyebrow if an LEO gave it the once over.
cryhavoc
Bird Guano
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annieosage said:
How about 395, or the backroads into Arizone, Nye County or on the shores of Lake Meade ??
annieosage
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I thought about Exe too but also that is one place I think everyone will want to go to. What do you think Exe? I have friends in the same city as he is too. See, I'm thinking- there are other highways but to get to those highways you have to take either the 95 or the 15. I mean Boulder Highway leads down to Boulder City (Lake Mead) but I know that will be swamped. I'm thinking about backroads but don't know of any that actually lead out of the city. One of my worst fears is getting stuck in the log jam with no where to go. And in this heat with a little one I don't know how far we could get by walking. Not to mention my Mom. I could not leave without her and she could not walk. So I just think our best solution, again depending on the emergency would be to stay in place. If I could make it to my brother's in Oregon that is the optimum BO place to go. 7 acres and a nice little homestead. It's getting there that is the problem.
As soon as I even think there might be a problem I am outta here- if I had a heads up before the sheeple.......I stay awake nights thinking about this.....
As soon as I even think there might be a problem I am outta here- if I had a heads up before the sheeple.......I stay awake nights thinking about this.....