[PREP] Quik-Clot Compund

dieseltrooper

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http://www.cmmginc.com/inventory_a/specials_tbl.html

Quik Clot is a common sense, inexpensive solution to preventing deaths from excessive bleeding. Quik Clot is used by the US military and is now for sale to civilians. Quik Clot accelerates coagulation of moderate to severe wounds, including high volume venous and arterial bleeding. Quik Clot stems blood loss in the critical minutes before the availability of professional medical care. Quik Clot comes in sterile, single dose package. Quik Clot can be administered easily and safely applied with only minimal instructions. Quik Clot is a powder that is poured into an open wound. Pressure is applied and bleeding stops within seconds. It can be left until transported to a medical facility. Rapid Response Paks include two sterile gauze strips, one cinch-tite tourniquet, black nylon carry case and single dose packet of Quik Clot. A must have for any emergency kit. FDA approved. 50,000 units of Quik Clot were issued as a part of the Marine Corps IFAK(Individual First Aid Kit) during Iraq conflict.
Click HERE for Naval Testing Video(Caution, this video contains graphic images)

*** I wouldn't advise the video without a strong stomach***
 

old bear

Deceased
Many years ago a old Indain in Montana told me of something that would stop bleeding. Yeah. I know that spider webs are supposed to stop bleeding, but would you really be able to find spider webs when you rerally need them. The stuff that I was told about is common, you can get it in in most health food stores. I first used it on a dog that had been hit by a car and was bleeding from a rear leg. I poured the stuff right into the wounds ( as I had been told to do) and the dog's owner applied a little pressure until I could wrap the leg with a bandage. Years later I got cut by a chainsaw in the forehead and a Friend poured some into the wounds and then wrapped my head with a bandage. The bleeding had stopped within the first 10 seconds. I later used it when my wife slipped on some wet grass and cut her knee. Again the bleeding stopped immediatly. I was at a wreck in Northern Calif. and used it to stop bleeding on two of the victems. We have used it many times on our livestock and dogs. Interestingly enough, you do NOT need to clean this out of the wound later on. It seems to promote rapid healing and I have never seen any wound treated with this stuff to become infected. I would advise people to have something for their first aid kits that will stop bleeding. Quik Clot sounds good, but we are on a VERY tight budget, and have had very good results with our own clotting agent. Again I would like to advise people to have something to aid clotting in their first aid kits.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
old bear,

I have reread your post about 3 times and obviously totally missed it. What is this common item that can be used to stop bleeding?
I also heard somewhere that pouring turpentine on a wound will stop bleeding. Anybody else heard of this?
 

Barbee

Inactive
To stop the bleeding

I don't know what Old Bear's remedy is, but I read that
putting Cayenne pepper on the wound would do the trick !
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Re: To stop the bleeding

Barbee said:
I don't know what Old Bear's remedy is, but I read that
putting Cayenne pepper on the wound would do the trick !


:sb: :sb: Cayenne pepper!! That's what it was, not turpentine.:lol: I knew I saw it on a tv show. It was a cooking show not a home repair show. They said cayenne pepper would stop blood flow almost immediately. Good thing for a prep first aid kit.
 

TRC

Inactive
>>STOPS THE BLEEDING<<

IIRC, Quick Clot is made from powdered potatoes. I don't recall the details, but the powder poured into a wound absorbs enough blood to become thick enough to stop further bleeding and does so very fast.

Dr. Richard Schulze recommends a more natural product (MORE NATURAL THAN POTATOE?) - CAYENNE PEPPER - pour it directly on the wound and bleeding is stopped almost instantaeously. Cayenne pepper, also, speeds healing. It doesn't "burn" on wounds like it does on your tongue - different nerves (I guess). I've used it quite often as I have poor balance and fall frequently "skinning" my knees:-( I mix Colloidal Silver with Cheyenne pepper to make a paste to put on the wound... cover it with a band-aid or larger "pad" - whatever is the appropriate size...

Quick Clot should be widely available at pharmacies...it will, probably, have a "medicinal use" price (expensive) whereas Cheyenne pepper is found in, almost, every grocery store...especially here in AZ where I am :-) TRC

P.S. Dan Quayle DID say that potatoe had an "e" on the end, didn't he? And Slick said that what he "got" wasn't sex....so lots of young kids seem to "go along" with that, these days according to some posts here a long time ago!
 

Taz

Deceased
I am pretty sure that what Old Bear was referring to is ALUM. You can buy it in the spice section of grocery store. It does work. However, this are other very good clotters that can be bought very cheaply at any farm store that has meds for farm animals. It to is a powder that you put right into/onto wound. Anyone with horses knows about it. I have a large jar of it in my first aid preps.

Taz
 

baygoldbug

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QuikClot Frequently Asked Questions - Technical & How to use
http://alphanet.zoovy.com/category/quikclotfromzmedica.frequentlyaskedquestion/


How does QuikClot work?
QuikClot works by providing a hemo-concentration effect in the blood that is exiting a wound. The body’s natural clotting process is accelerated by the increased concentration of platelets and clotting factors at the wound site.

What causes the hemo-concentration?
QuikClot’s main component material is called an adsorbent, it is actually a synthetic derivative of volcanic rock. It has many pores, internal and external, which capture and hold the water molecules that make up the majority of the blood. The ability to attract and hold the water molecules is due to electrostatic forces that are present in the pores of QuikClot material when it is dry and are liberated when the QuikClot is saturated. These are the same types of forces that cause static cling, but in the formulation of QuikClot, they are much stronger. Water molecules are held very strongly.

The clotting factors, proteins in the blood, and the cellular components of the blood are not attracted nor held by the QuikClot, because they are simply too big to fit in the pore structure of the QuikClot material. This leaves them free to do their work at the wound site.


Is there a chemical reaction involved?
No, the interaction of the QuikClot and the water in the blood (called adsorption) is purely physical in nature. Upon application, QuikClot rapidly attracts water molecules, and almost instantly the internal pores are filled. There are no chemical changes to the blood, the water, or the QuikClot. Since the reaction is physical, and not biological or chemical, there is almost no chance for an allergic reaction to occur.

Are there any side effects?
The adsorption of water into the QuikClot granules can cause an instantaneous release of heat, called an exothermic reaction. The release of heat stops when the pores of the QuikClot become filled, which due to QuikClot’s strong attraction for water, is only a second or two.

What causes the heat?
The heat is generated by a phenomenon called the Heat of Adsorption. The electrostatic charge in each pore of the QuikClot, which attracts the water molecules, is released when the pore is filled. This liberated energy is in the form of heat.

How much heat is generated?
There are many variables that affect the heat generated when QuikClot is used. It’s been our experience that the exothermic reaction with blood generates less heat than water alone. Under controlled experiment conditions, the highest temperature observed was 140 degrees F.

What care should be taken when using QuikClot?
Following the QuikClot package instructions avoids or minimizes the effects of exothermic reaction. It is important to use just enough QuikClot to stop the bleeding that is present. Dry QuikClot granules should be brushed away from the top of the wound area before applying irrigation solution. When removing QuikClot from a wound, the volume of water used to irrigate should always be larger than the volume of QuikClot. Flooding the QuikClot granules rather than slowly applying small streams of irrigation solution minimizes the heat produced.

Does QuikClot have FDA approval?
Yes, QuikClot received 510(k) clearance from FDA to market QuikClot over the counter (NON-prescriptive) in March of 2002. The 510(k) number is k013390, and you can view the FDA decision at the following website by plugging in the 510(k) number: http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfPMN/pmn.cfm


Are QuikClot research studies available?
An unopened pack of QuikClot has a shelf life of three years. The only storage instruction is to not leave a pack of QuikClot in direct sunlight for extended periods of time. If you cover the pack, there is nothing to worry about. QuikClot is heated to 140°F to 155°F during the packaging process, and therefore can withstand high temperatures. QuikClot can also be stored in temperatures below freezing.

Can I save the unused portion and use it later?
No, once the package has been opened, the QuikClot granules start to adsorb the moisture from the air, thus rendering them useless. You can, however, treat more than one injured person, or multiple injuries on the same person with one pack of QuikClot.

How much do I need to use? Why is the packet 3.5 ounces?
A full packet of QuikClot is more than enough to treat a complete bisection of the femoral artery and vein. This was the testing performed by the U.S. Navy, and the reason that the military has deployed QuikClot with over 50,000 of our U.S. troops. The basic rule is to slowly pour QuikClot onto the wound until you see a layer of QuikClot on top of the injury. The packet is 3.5 ounces so that you are assured to have enough to treat any size wound. You can treat multiple wounds on multiple victims if the injuries are not as severe. We are thinking about packaging QuikClot in smaller quantities, but it will not change the cost of the product very much. Most of our cost comes from the packaging and sterilization process.

How long can I leave QuikClot in the wound, and how do I remove it?
Since QuikClot is inert after it has adsorbed the water in the blood, it is safe to leave in the wound for days if necessary. The clot formed is so strong that it is possible for a person to be moved and/or walk around during this period. QuikClot will not be absorbed by the body, but since it doesn’t change in shape, size or consistency, it is very easy for the attending medical personnel to irrigate and/or suction it out of the wound. QuikClot Frequently Asked Questions - General Questions

What is QuikClot™?
QuikClot™ is a breakthrough, patented product from the Newington, Connecticut-based firm Z-Medica that almost instantly stops high-volume bleeding from open wounds. Made of a granulated mineral substance, it is biologically and botanically inert, leaving little chance of allergic reaction. It represents a first-time-ever opportunity to save the lives of countless trauma victims around the world who would otherwise have bled to death before they could be moved to an operating room setting.

Prior to being brought to market, QuikClot was co-developed and tested by Z-Medica and the United States Navy and Marines. It is in use by ground troops in Afghanistan and Iraq where it has been confirmed to have saved numerous lives. QuikClot has also been included in the new Marine Corps individual first aid kit. In addition, United Nations Forces, the U.S. State Department, CIA, FBI, other friendly governments and first responders have purchased it across the country.


What is it about QuikClot that makes it a ‘breakthrough’?
Until QuikClot, there has never before been a product that stops massive bleeding outside of the operating room setting. Without QuikClot, the survival chances of a soldier wounded on the battlefield today are the same as they would have been for a soldier in the Civil War. QuikClot’s effectiveness was proven in extensive testing at the University of Connecticut, the U.S. Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory, the Marine Corps Systems Command and the Office of Naval Research. In comparative studies with other hemostatic agents on the market, QuikClot was the only product to achieve a 100% survival rate!

QuikClot also breaks through the concept of who is a ‘first responder’ in terms of being able to provide meaningful medical assistance. For example, the police, who are usually the first ones at the scene of an automobile accident or violent crime, can do little more than call EMTs to the scene. Depressingly, they must often watch helplessly while badly injured victims bleed to death in front of them before help can arrive. Now they can apply QuikClot and save lives themselves while waiting for medical personnel. Similarly, on the battlefield, a wounded soldier himself, or his buddy, can administer QuikClot while waiting for a Medical Corpsman to reach them. Packaging allows for easy, one-handed opening and application.


Is QuikClot cleared by the Food & Drug Administration?
Not only does QuikClot have FDA pre-market clearance, but also, because QuikClot has been tested and proven to have the potential to save many lives, the FDA cleared QuikClot for general use within a few months. QuikClot received a second FDA clearance for an over the counter consumer version to treat cuts, scratches and abrasions.

How does QuikClot work?
Quite simply. QuikClot is an extremely ‘thirsty’ material derived from minerals. When poured directly into an open wound, the product acts like a molecular sieve, instantly taking in the smaller water molecules from the blood in and around the wound, leaving behind the larger platelet and clotting factor molecules in a concentrated form. This allows the blood to clot very quickly and prevents severe blood loss.

The process represents a new approach to hemostasis, which typically involves adding clotting factors rather than extracting elements to halt bleeding.

QuikClot helps create a stable, powerful clot, which stays firmly in place until it is removed in the field hospital or operating room setting.


Given its lifesaving capability is QuikClot very expensive?
In addition to its amazing life-saving track record in the laboratory and in actual battlefield use, QuikClot is extremely affordable. Z-Medica wants the product to be in every soldier’s pack, in every police, fire fighting, and EMT vehicle, in every factory and school and – in the not too distant future – in every home.

At a time that has seen drug costs and profits sky-rocket, the company has structured the QuikClot business in a way that tightly controls production costs and limits its margins to what is required to assure production and marketing at sufficient levels to save as many lives as possible. At the company’s current cost structure, a life-saving quantity of QuikClot retails for a little more than $20!!! Other hemostatic products that are far less effective at saving lives than QuikClot, according to the comparative testing, sell in the many hundreds to thousands of dollars per application.


How is QuikClot sold and where is it available?
Z-Medica sells to the military and security, EMS, first responder, veterinary and other markets either directly or through authorized dealers, such as AlphaNet.

Who discovered or invented QuikClot?
Z-Medica President Francis X. Hursey, a scientist, entrepreneur and humanitarian, discovered QuikClot accidentally in the late 1980s while experimenting with absorptive materials for another product he was developing. In an increasingly complex, high technology world, Hursey believes in looking for simple solutions to important problems – and he finds them.

One day he cut himself and applied some of the material that is now known as QuikClot to the cut. It stopped the bleeding instantly and he believed he might have discovered an important use of the material.

He developed and tested QuikClot on a shoestring budget, obtaining a patent. In 1997, Z-Medica partner and Vice President Bart Gullong joined Hursey in the effort to bring QuikClot to the world, taking on marketing, distribution and sales responsibilities.

The two men have dedicated themselves and the company to making a humanitarian difference. In addition to creating this life-saving product, Hursey and Gullong are committed to making QuikClot available at little or no cost to civilian populations threatened with accidental detonation of buried land mines.

Frank Hursey also founded Z-Medica’s sister company, On Site Gas Systems, which has a similar mission and also globally markets lifesaving products for use in remote locations that generate nitrogen and high purity oxygen from ambient air.


Are there other situations where QuikClot can help?
QuikClot can save the life of any living creature that bleeds. Z-Medica sees an important veterinary application of QuikClot. These markets include pet care, and veterinarian use for small and large animals.
 

old bear

Deceased
Raw wheat germ

Sorry all, I wasn't trying to be coy, I just assumed everyone had a crystal ball! I forgot to mention that I was talking about raw wheat germ. We keep some in old vitamin bottles in our vehicles, in the house and other stashes so it will be closeby. It really works! I have used cayanne pepper and it does work, but it did not work as quickly and the wound got infected. Alum works OK for a small wound, but still not as effective as the wheat germ. A vetenerian who had seen an animal that we had treated with this, was very impressed with the way it worked and the way the wound was healing, while he has not known it before, he thought it worked worked so well was the wheat germ has large amounts of vit K, a known blood stopper and that the fiber in the wheat germ gives the blood something to bind to to clot quickly. I have even used this on small arterial bleeders and it worked. It also seems to speed up the healing and reduce scarring.
 
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old bear

Deceased
This Quick clot sounds like some good stuff also. It may be even better for stopping bleeding. Be interesting to try it, but I am not looking forward to any such testing on myself. What ever, it is kind of worth while to have something in your first aid kit to stop the bleeding. Up until now not much was available to stop bleeding. BTW I have never tried the toasted wheat germ to stop bleeding, but I kind of doubt it would work too well. If not stored in a air tight container the raw wheat germ can get moldy. I have never tried to use it once it had mold. YUCK. The Quick Clot may be easier to store, as it comes prepackaged. A friend used to work for a company that made medical supplies and they came out with bandages that had something on them to help clotting, but it never caught on with the public. I guess a lot of people don't like to think about leaking blood. We live far enough from town that we try to have a very decent first aid kit, and I/ we don't go to the doctor or hospital for minor things that we can treat at home.
 

CeeBee

Inactive
http://www.quikclot.com/

Right now they only sell to first responders, police/military, etc. In the meantime the tips in this thread are excellent prep info.

Bump due to new info available:

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18925435.800

Saved by 'sand' poured into the wounds
16 March 2006
From New Scientist Print Edition
Jessica Marshall







Emergency situations require fast-acting treatments DETECTIVE Danny Johnson was on patrol outside Tampa, Florida, when a report came through of a possible shooting in a junkyard three blocks away. Arriving on the scene, he found an elderly man sitting on a tractor, with a large hole in his leg that was bleeding profusely.

Realising it would be some time before the ambulance arrived, Johnson opened a packet of sand-like material and poured it into the wound. Within seconds the bleeding had practically stopped, and the man survived. "The medic told me that had I not put the substance in there, the guy would probably have bled out and died," he says.

The material, called QuikClot, which is issued routinely to police officers in Hillsborough county, Florida, was developed for the US military to cut down the number of soldiers who bleed to death on the battlefield. More than 85 per cent of soldiers killed in action die within an hour of being wounded. Improved haemorrhage control "could probably save 20 per cent of the soldiers who are killed in action", says Hasan Alam, a trauma surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston.

The material is already used by the navy and a few US police departments. Researchers would like to see it used more widely, but one major safety problem has prevented this happening. Now developers are hoping that advances in the material and the design of new substances could see blood clotting treatments used by ambulance crews, in operating theatres, and even in the home.

Every US marine and navy soldier in Iraq and Afghanistan carries QuikClot. Its maker, Z-Medica of Wallingford, Connecticut, claims it has saved 150 lives so far. The porous mineral powder is poured into the wound, where pores quickly absorb water, which concentrates the blood's clotting factors and so speeds up clotting. In lab tests, blood treated with QuikClot clots in less than 2 minutes, compared with the 10 minutes or so for untreated blood. In studies on pigs with severed arteries, the survival rate was 100 per cent; with a standard gauze dressing, more than half the animals died.

The safety problem in the way of QuikClot's wider use arises because of the large amount of heat the material releases when it absorbs water, sometimes enough to cause second-degree burns. In the face of a life-threatening injury, this may be a price worth paying. "The general feeling around the department is that if I get shot, I don't care if it burns," Johnson says. Despite this, the navy and marines advise soldiers to apply QuikClot only after all other methods have failed, and it is not standard issue for the US army's troops.

Instead, they carry HemCon, a special bandage of ground-up shrimp shells. The shells contain chitosan, a substance which binds strongly to tissue and seals wounds in much the same way as a tyre patch seals a tyre. HemCon has its own problems: because it comes in a bandage, it is difficult to apply to deep or oddly shaped wounds. The bandage is also too stiff to be used to treat gunshot wounds effectively, as it cannot be packed into a hole to create enough pressure to control the bleeding. As a result, many army units buy QuikClot regardless of the policy at the top, says Z-Medica CEO Ray Huey.

Being a powder, QuikClot can be poured into any shape of wound, but if it is to be used more widely it cannot harm those it treats. Researchers Galen Stucky and Todd Ostomel at the University of California, Santa Barbara, who are collaborating with Z-Medica, have found a way to tune the material to control the amount of heat it releases. They have also learned that there is much more to how the substance accelerates clotting than just water absorption, and are using this knowledge to develop a new generation of materials that work even faster and should prove more acceptable for civilian use.

QuikClot releases heat when positively charged calcium ions in its pores react with water molecules. Other positive ions release less heat when they react with water, so Stucky and Ostomel swap some of the calcium ions in the material for silver ions by soaking the material in a silver-containing solution. They can control how much of the calcium they replace, allowing them to tune the material to release as much or as little heat as they choose. "Having some heat is good," Stucky says. "It facilitates the clotting process."

Although a variety of ions can be used, silver is particularly good because it has antibacterial properties, even at very low concentrations. The drawback is that silver is expensive and significantly raises the cost from the existing military price of $10 a packet. Z-Medica plans to commercialise two versions of the new material, one with silver and another containing a less expensive heat-reducing formulation the company does not yet want to name.

Stucky's group is building on this work to develop new materials to control bleeding during surgery. For a material to be most effective it must have a large surface area like QuikClot, and since calcium acts as a cofactor in many clotting reactions some calcium ions must be present.

The team's new material, a bioactive glass made of silica and calcium, has larger pores than QuikClot and a different consistency. Its large surface area, and efficiency in releasing calcium ions, makes it clot blood even faster. The large pores allow bigger molecules, such as enzymes found in the blood's clotting cascade, to be incorporated in the material and released into the wound, which could further improve clotting.

Unlike QuikClot, which is hard to make in anything but powder form, the bioglass can be squeezed out of a syringe, like a paste, which would be easier to apply during surgery. Bioglass can also be left in the body after surgery, where it will eventually be absorbed - unlike the QuikClot particles, which have to be removed from the wound after bleeding has stopped, a fiddly and time-consuming process.

Meanwhile Z-Medica is hoping that its new, safer version of QuikClot will be taken up not only by surgeons and emergency crews, but also by individuals. "Ultimately, we hope everybody will have a first-aid kit with a pack in their car," says Huey.
 

Bird Guano

Membership Revoked
I keep the old formulation of quick clot in my personal trauma kit even though I heard some nasty stuff about it from folks in Iraq.

Can't use it on anybody else but me currently, because of county EMS protocols.

I hope the new formulation will receive state EMSA approval, so I can buy the new formulation and keep it in my kit. And actually be able to USE it in an emergency.


Sounds like they are on the right track.
 

tangent

Membership Revoked
http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1939

[...]

Note that TraumaDex is nothing more than purified potato starch and HemCon purified shrimp shell derivative ground up and placed in a bandage matrix. I'm not saying make your own, but word on the street is that there has been success... :wink:

Remember iodine & seafood allergies if messing with HemCon.

TraumaDex lists "starch allergy" as a CI but note that being allergic to long chain polysacs is not compatible with life, as that's where your cellular glucose come from, so not really a concern...

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http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1623

http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1580

http://medtech.syrene.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1422

[...]

> Francis X. Hursey, who developed QuikClot, discovered the properties of zeolite, a granular volcanic material, when he was developing gas-separation and -purification equipment for medical and industrial uses. One day more than a decade ago, he sliced himself shaving and decided to apply a bit of the water-absorbing zeolite to the cut.

By sucking up the water from the exposed blood, the material concentrated the blood's remaining coagulants. To Hursey's astonishment, his shaving nick sealed itself in seconds.

big HMMM...

they sell this stuff for a lot less. $27 will get you 6 pounds of it. mortar and pedistal, and...

-t

[...]

go to google, type in "zeolite" and look at all the places that pop us that sell it.

foot odor control, fishtanks, cat boxes, room odor control, etc. etc. I would be amazed if your local pet store or wally world didn't have it packaged under several different brand names. just be careful about what it's mixed with, (ideally nothing) and it's probably best to crush then bake a thin layer in the oven at 360 for 20 minutes to sterilize.

have not personally tried it, but that appears to be all there is to this stuff.

-t

[...]

other threads on the Medtech board....

:whistle:

-t
 

bluefire

Senior Member
Hey, good tip, tangent, I'm off to check on zeolite. I've used cayenne successfully for those 'bleeder' cuts and it works very well. Old Bear, thanks for the wheat germ tip, that's a new one on me!
 

Maranatha

Redeemed
For those of you who have used cayenne pepper to stop bleeding, about how much do you use? Sprinkle it on? Pour it on until you fill the wound? Am assuming it would be unsafe to use around the eyes!!:shkr:

I bought a pound of cayenne from Atlantic Spice, so I have a good supply of it. Will separate into double baggies and place in car and BOB first aid kits. This has been a very informative thread. Love the knowledge to be found here.:D Thanks for the great info.

MARANATHA
 

tangent

Membership Revoked
The problems w/ xeolite/quickclot are that it's exothermic. If you use too much, you CAN get serious burns! Ideally, the wound should have as much blood absorbed out before it's applied as possable. Imagine you are cauterizing the wound with something red hot that reacts with liquids (water) like sodium... That's not too far from the truth. It's a bit more than just a water sopper upper... and that's the source of the trouble reports w/ qucikclot.

if you use xeolite/quickclot READ this usage sheet FIRST! (pdf file)

http://www.chinookmed.com/qc_training_procedures.pdf

here is a source if you want to buy the commercial (medical grade) stuff:

http://www.chinookmed.com/detail.ph...imit_start=&my_action=Edit&show_results=false


Don't overlook ground shrimp shells! - I'm sure if you asked a seafood resteraunt and maybe slipped someone in the kitchen or a waitress a fiver, you could get a lifetime supply of something they throw out daily in great quantity... (or go dumpster diving...)

Just wash, dry and grind...

as to spider webs and and the other herbals - there is a HUGE difference between arterial bleeding and minor cuts...

-t
 

CeeBee

Inactive
By sucking up the water from the exposed blood, the material concentrated the blood's remaining coagulants. To Hursey's astonishment, his shaving nick sealed itself in seconds.

I'm thinking.... yes potato flakes. Hmmm... scoopable cat litter.... baby diaper absorbent material. As long as it's pretty sterile, although I'd rather live to fight off an infection than die right away from blood loss.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
I have quoted several verses from the Bible to stop bleeding. It *does* work. Men, I can't tell you because it won't be passed from man to man. I can pass it on the three women, though, and they can pass it on to men. I think I remember it right. I'll have to get out my 'paperwork' and recheck on it. Senility setting in, I guess.
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
Taz said:
I am pretty sure that what Old Bear was referring to is ALUM. You can buy it in the spice section of grocery store. It does work. However, this are other very good clotters that can be bought very cheaply at any farm store that has meds for farm animals. It to is a powder that you put right into/onto wound. Anyone with horses knows about it. I have a large jar of it in my first aid preps.

Taz

Ditto....stocked it for years now. Cheap too.
 

hd5574

Veteran Member
fairbanksb said:
old bear,

I have reread your post about 3 times and obviously totally missed it. What is this common item that can be used to stop bleeding?
I also heard somewhere that pouring turpentine on a wound will stop bleeding. Anybody else heard of this?

Turpentine heals the wound ~ but it won't stop the bleeding ~ we use it all the time ~ No it doesn't burn and all that jazz. In fact it takes the sore out of a wound. I used to get medicinal turpentine but can't find it anymore so I use the small bottles of artist turpentine now, but the stuff in the hardware store works just as well. It just has a stronger smell. We just stick a q-tip in the bottle for little cuts and cat scratches (they don't infect if you put turpentine on them) and pour it over worse wounds and then blot it.

Back about 1916, my mother (she was about six at the time) was on her grandparents farm in very rural MO ~ no doctor in the area ~ she put a dirty axe (it was kept outside in the chopping block) clean through her foot between the big toe and the next toe into the ground ~ she cut through about 4 or 5 inches of her foot ~ they poured turpentine over the foot and bound it tight and stopped a fast feight train to Tulsa, OK and called her dad in Tulsa. He and a doctor met her at the rain and sewed up that foot. It never infected. She healed up fine and never had a problem with that foot as long as she lived. This happened long before all the "magic" drugs of today that don't work as well as they did.

We also keep a bottle of cayenne pepper in the medicine cabinet and a zip lock of in it in the first aid kit. It stops bleeding. Cayenne pepper can be used in an eye wash along with red raspberry and works on reversing cataracts in the eyes. I bet straight it would really sting the eye and it might be a really good idea to flush it with water but from what I have read, I don't think it would cause a lasting problems. Cayenne also heals up a lot of those pesky stomach problems. No purple pills here.

hd5574
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The Marines issue this stuff the army has resevations. It can cause burns from the chemical reaction caused by soaking up the moisture in the blood.
 

Capt Teach

Veteran Member
I have the newer sponge type QC in my kit. Supposedly it is easier and safer to use. Personally, a little burn would be much preferable to bleeding out.

Capt Teach
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Capt Teach said:
I have the newer sponge type QC in my kit. Supposedly it is easier and safer to use. Personally, a little burn would be much preferable to bleeding out.

Capt Teach


True but there seems to be a difference of opinion between services as to whether it works. The army contract for blow out kits doesn't include Quik Clot, the marine corps contract does. I looked but couldn't find the contract on the net so it may have changed. I think for the price I'd rather have 28 dollars more of Kerlix gauze and a one handed turniquet.
 

GILTRIC

Membership Revoked
I should do a testimonial for Quik-Clot....a buddy of mine recomended it after using it on "death ground"

And doing as much treework as I do I started carrying a kit around with me with my gear.........good thing to.

I have a 45 stitch "chainsaw rash" across the top of my thigh....only thing that kept me from bleeding out was QC.

the plastic surgeon was amazed by the product....she never heard of it before
(plastic surgeons are normally involved in chainsaw accidents due to the shredding of flesh and skin)
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I was trying to find generic ZEOLITE on the internet, and I did, BUT BE WARNED, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES, GRADES AND SIZES(of powder or granules) of ZEOLITE.

SO, SINCE THIS STUFF IS ONLY TO BE USED IN A BAD BLEED, LIFE OR DEATH EMERGENCY, UPON FURTHER CONSIDERATION I INTEND TO BITE THE FINANCIAL BULLET AND GET THE "REAL STUFF" MADE AND INTENDED FOR THAT USE.

I would hate to buy something not designed for that use that might be ground too small and potentially travel up a vein and create a clot in my heart, lung or brain, or buy something designed for some other use that doesn't require listing all ingredients and that may have some unlisted poisonous additive that I would be directly sprinkling into my blood almost intraveinouly.

There are times to save money, and there are times to keep other priorities uppermost on one's list of considerations.

This looks like a GOOD place to get the REAL STUFF:
http://www.chinookmed.com/detail.ph...imit_start=&my_action=Edit&show_results=false
 
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