REL GENRL PREP: Living in the End Times--and What That Means to Christians Today

This is really a blog...my words, from notes of recent sermons, and my thoughts--how those sermons struck me (at my particular level of Christian maturity).

Living in the End Times—and What That Means to Christians Today

My background is Fundamentalist Christian. For all my life, I have believed we should live as the Bible instructs—both Old Testament and New—as much as we are able. I gave thanks that I lived in the United States; I believed that we were blessed by God because we were part of the fulfillment of God’s promise to Abraham. (Don’t believe in the British Israelism stuff, do your own research on the migration of people.) I have prayed for our rulers, been proud of our freedoms, and often said that we had the best form of government on the planet—and that it would remain the best government until Christ returned and set up his Kingdom on Earth.

Well, flip me over and call me a pancake, because times have changed! Prophecy does not mention a “King of the West.” This omission in the Bible has led people to believe that the United States (west of Israel) will not be a power when End Time events unfold. Guess what…by the time this current administration finishes its first term, we will not be a power. Should we feel hatred toward this administration? No, they are merely fulfilling prophecy—prophecy for which most Christians pray often. How many times have you heard the words, “Thy Kingdom come”? How many times have you said them yourself?

When I think about the rights we Americans have come to take for granted, I mourn at their passing. It can color my world—and it’s not a pretty color! The only thing that can bring me back to the center is the realization that this world is not the Kingdom of God, and the best reminder of that sentiment is attending church. The messages of the last two weekends were pretty timely: 1) The Five Temples of God, 2) Focus on the Kingdom, 3) What is Your Deepest Fear?, and 4) Drifting Toward Carnality.

Let me share just a little. The Five Temples of God were/are:
1. Solomon’s Temple, 960 BC
2. Zerubabel’s Temple, 535 BC
3. The Christian Church
4. Physical Millennial Temple (after Christ returns)
5. New Jerusalem Temple (after the new heaven and the new earth are made)

Why is that important in today’s world? We are smack in the middle (or at the end) of the 3rd temple. This short life we lead is not as important as we think it is…we are but a part of the history of Man.

Focus on the Kingdom asked some questions about going through trials. (How can our current political/economic climate be called anything but a trial?)
1. Looking back, how did seeking the Kingdom of God prepare you for this trial?
2. What are lessons to share with others?
3. How do you share the lessons?
4. When you’re alone with your thoughts, what are the tough questions you ask God?
5. What lessons have you learned that you could not have learned without the trial?
6. How did other people help you?
7. How has the trial affected your relationship with God? With others?
8. How has it affected your joy?

Can we answer those questions with today’s climate in mind? Yes, we can—and, we should.

What is Your Deepest Fear? The man who gave this sermon read a quote from Marianne Williamson: “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves: Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

He went on to say that we have the power to:
• NOT be a victim. Take a proactive stance in your life.
• Resolve our conflicts with each other.
• Change the lives of others (through our example).
• Have a positive outlook in our lives.

Drifting Toward Carnality dealt with our attitude about today’s world. (Yes, I know that it is where we live right now, but it should not be our complete focus.) The man who gave this sermon, about 70 yrs old, was very passionate about what he was saying. He began by explaining that, as a youth, he’d been taught to love his country—but that the country he loved no longer existed. There were tears in his eyes as he shouted, “This is NOT my country!” I think there were tears in mine, too. This is NOT the country we were taught to love. It has changed, and moved away from God—it has embraced the evil of Satan. Justice stands afar off (Isaiah 59:2), and equity cannot enter.

The United States, a Christian nation?
• 9% of self-proclaimed Christians in the U.S. say they have a Biblical view.
• 3% of Christian parents think it’s critical for their children to be saved.
• 45% of Christian parents teach their children that there are no moral absolutes.

It doesn't sound very Christian, does it? We are at war with Satan, the Prince of the Power of the Air, the King of this world. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. (II Cor. 10:3) The weapon we are to use is PRAYER. We need to not get swept along with the crowd—this is NOT the Kingdom of God! We must escape this world—not lose our Salvation. (Heb. 2:1)

Five Signs That We Are Drifting Toward Carnality
1. Neglect of spiritual things—there is only one path to Salvation, and neglect is passive disobedience. Do you take your Salvation for granted?
2. Increase in spiritual insensitivity. (Heb. 3:12-13) Do not grow hard-hearted. Have you been duped by sin? The light of Christ should shine through your life and illuminate all the impurities—you can’t change what you can’t see.
3. A willful refusal to grow. (Heb. 5:11) Are we dull of hearing? We should be teachers by now—not students! We must choose to move toward spiritual maturity.
4. Withdrawing from the fellowship of other believers—we need each other. God wants us to gather together—to both give AND receive. (At times like these, encouragement and support are paramount.)
5. We reject the truth…the final step in drifting back into carnality. (Heb. 10:26) There remains no more sacrifice for sin…if we insist on drifting back to into carnality, we will be throwing away our salvation. Don’t get sucked into this world—it’s a trap! Don’t leave your values at home, behavior matters more than intentions.

Funnily enough, much of the conversation after church today was on preparing for the upcoming economic upheaval—getting any medical procedures taken care of before the change to Socialized medicine, putting in gardens, stocking up on underwear (and toilet paper), for how many years would we need to prepare…I know that this is common conversation among some groups, but not necessarily ours. One of the women brought up the fact that one of our previous leaders had encouraged us to prepare for famine. I remember that…why are people ignoring it today?

At any rate, I felt better coming home from church—more hope, less fear. No, I don’t want to put my head in the sand (OK, really I do), but I can only do what I can do. I’m not sure how much I can do—I won’t know until the end. I just know that I feel compelled to prep enough to make it for a few years--enough to make it until my garden is producing well--enough to get through whatever Obama plans to throw our way. Will I fight to protect my right to bear arms? I don’t know. Will I do what I can to help as many people as I can? Yes, I’m sure—after all, that is my habit.

We are living in exciting times—whether we die in the next few years or live to be “caught up” in the air to meet Christ at His return, we may well be the generation that sees the coming of the Lord.

I invite comments...support and encouragement are always appreciated--and we never know when our words will positively impact someone who really needed the support.
 

prepgirl44

Veteran Member
Wow!

I cannot tell you how these thoughts mirror my own and how these very things are exactly what the Lord has been working with me on...teaching me....to a tee. He has been righting my thinking (at my request) regarding the times we live in and, always faithful, reminding me of where my focus needs to be. This is exactly what He has shown me!

It is like you have been in my head and my heart and my study time and my prayer time....just all that private time alone with the Lord struggling with all of this and seeking His will and direction and insight on these times...

Of course, we know that no, you weren't really in my head and it is the Holy Spirit working through you to confirm everything He has been showing me.

Thank you Jesus for the confirmation. And thank you Volleyball Granny for posting! A blessing, for sure! :)

Indeed, we do live in exciting times!

Keep me on track Lord, my eyes on You! And come quickly, Lord Jesus!
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
I think it is interesting that Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey both say that with current events (Obama) we are soooooo close to the end. Closer than we have ever been.
 

rmomaha

The Wise Man Prepares
I think it is interesting that Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey both say that with current events (Obama) we are soooooo close to the end. Closer than we have ever been.


What I find more interesting is how those that live largely in the world are living bound for hell at a rapid pace. They embrace evil and call it good. What is even more interesting in how they don't know the evil they do is evil.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
Yes, our constitutional republic is gone and has become a banana republic run by criminals. This isn't our country and we have absolutely no say in it.

Whether it's the 'end times' or not is up to God. We have a duty to fight for the right and for liberty and to stop expecting God to take care of things for us.
 

momof23goats

Deceased
Yes, our constitutional republic is gone and has become a banana republic run by criminals. This isn't our country and we have absolutely no say in it.

Whether it's the 'end times' or not is up to God. We have a duty to fight for the right and for liberty and to stop expecting God to take care of things for us.

very well said, we must look back int our own history, in the depression, a huge movement swept the nation, actually 2, it was evangelical, and the rapture,
both movements were huge, and every one though that this was the end, well, it wasn't.
Remember ONLY GOD THE FATHER, knows when his son will return. NOT even the SON knows the date or time. I really don't think we should try guessing,the last 5 verses in the bible will clear that one up.
To second guess GOD, nope not me.
much has to happen yet, for one thing Israel, doesn't have all of their land back that GOD, gave them, then there is the little deal about getting the rock off the temple mount, and the mosque that is there, to the temple can be built. many things must happen yet.
Like I said read the scripture, but don't try to out smart GOD THE FATHER, after all his SON doesn't even know so why do so many people think that they know?
 

momof23goats

Deceased
I think it is interesting that Jack Van Impe and Hal Lindsey both say that with current events (Obama) we are soooooo close to the end. Closer than we have ever been.
Jack Vam impe has been saying that for years, he even told a date once along time ago.
 
Thank you VB granny, as I have been caught up in the everyday goings on;
health, family fussing, business etc.
It is time to get back to the larger picture and focus - get ready for what
is surely coming. It is definitely time to pray for all of us and be one of God's army.
 
Wow!

I cannot tell you how these thoughts mirror my own and how these very things are exactly what the Lord has been working with me on...teaching me....to a tee. He has been righting my thinking (at my request) regarding the times we live in and, always faithful, reminding me of where my focus needs to be. This is exactly what He has shown me!

It is like you have been in my head and my heart and my study time and my prayer time....just all that private time alone with the Lord struggling with all of this and seeking His will and direction and insight on these times...

Of course, we know that no, you weren't really in my head and it is the Holy Spirit working through you to confirm everything He has been showing me.

Thank you Jesus for the confirmation. And thank you Volleyball Granny for posting! A blessing, for sure! :)

Indeed, we do live in exciting times!

Keep me on track Lord, my eyes on You! And come quickly, Lord Jesus!

This has been weighing on my heart, too. We are to be aware, but not worried. It's hard to make that distinction, isn't it?

If this blog gave you a little bit of encouragement, great! It's achieved its purpose. :)
 
Thank you VB granny, as I have been caught up in the everyday goings on;
health, family fussing, business etc.
It is time to get back to the larger picture and focus - get ready for what
is surely coming. It is definitely time to pray for all of us and be one of God's army.

Me, too...though I've been teetering on the fencetop. :) I KNOW what I need to be doing, yet here I sit, reading all these TB2K posts instead of praying...I'll know that I've reached the proper place in life when I not only pray while reading the posts, but pray instead of reading the posts.

Well, maybe I'll need to keep reading...we are told to watch current events. We're not getting much truth in our current events from the media these days.
 
very well said, we must look back int our own history, in the depression, a huge movement swept the nation, actually 2, it was evangelical, and the rapture,
both movements were huge, and every one though that this was the end, well, it wasn't.
Remember ONLY GOD THE FATHER, knows when his son will return. NOT even the SON knows the date or time. I really don't think we should try guessing,the last 5 verses in the bible will clear that one up.
To second guess GOD, nope not me.
much has to happen yet, for one thing Israel, doesn't have all of their land back that GOD, gave them, then there is the little deal about getting the rock off the temple mount, and the mosque that is there, to the temple can be built. many things must happen yet.
Like I said read the scripture, but don't try to out smart GOD THE FATHER, after all his SON doesn't even know so why do so many people think that they know?

There is one thing that we must always remember: Live your life as though Christ was returning tomorrow and prepare for life as though He wasn't going to return in your lifetime. There's balance in those words.

We need to watch current events, it is actually a commandment from Christ. Each generation, carefully watching the current events, felt that they were the last generation--the one that would see Christ descend from on high. However, as you stated, there are events that must happen before the final scenes unfold--just don't lose sight of how fast those things could take place.
 

momof23goats

Deceased
There is one thing that we must always remember: Live your life as though Christ was returning tomorrow and prepare for life as though He wasn't going to return in your lifetime. There's balance in those words.

We need to watch current events, it is actually a commandment from Christ. Each generation, carefully watching the current events, felt that they were the last generation--the one that would see Christ descend from on high. However, as you stated, there are events that must happen before the final scenes unfold--just don't lose sight of how fast those things could take place.

Ihave not, and I do watch and pray. that is what I do, and prep, because I do feel it is going to get mighty rough here before to long.
 
Yes, our constitutional republic is gone and has become a banana republic run by criminals. This isn't our country and we have absolutely no say in it.

Whether it's the 'end times' or not is up to God. We have a duty to fight for the right and for liberty and to stop expecting God to take care of things for us.

I have mixed feelings about your last statement. I do not expect God to take care of things in that He will magically remove all obstacles, but I mourn that fact that our nation has chosen to walk away from God and pray that He will reconsider the abandonment of this nation.

I do not believe that God has abandoned Christians, but, through churchianity, our nation has abandoned Him. Through-out history, God has allowed those who fall away to be defeated, taken into slavery, and dispersed.

Does that mean that we will not fight for what is right as long as we can? No, I don't think so. But, when push comes to shove, the United States of America is a human construct--and our citizenship, our loyalty, should be in the coming Kingdom of God.
 
What I find more interesting is how those that live largely in the world are living bound for hell at a rapid pace. They embrace evil and call it good. What is even more interesting in how they don't know the evil they do is evil.

I find myself reading with my mouth dropped open...the things that people say, and sincerely believe! I'm amazed--and horrified.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
very good OP granny.

"What is Your Deepest Fear? The man who gave this sermon read a quote from Marianne Williamson: “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves: Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

He went on to say that we have the power to:
• NOT be a victim. Take a proactive stance in your life.
• Resolve our conflicts with each other.
• Change the lives of others (through our example).
• Have a positive outlook in our lives."


this is an important piece of the puzzle.

every christian should be able to completely understand that because of their right relationship with God the Father through right relationship with Jesus the Son, we are empowered by the Holy Spirit to call upon God in prayer for many Great Things, including the scattering of evil doers and the destruction of evil doings.

i view the time spent here as an opportunity not just for my own education, but to influence the mindset of others. it is NOT time wasted - for the most part. as American Christians - even though our freedoms have been watered down and our views shouted down, we have quite possibly still the greatest opportunities to still present the Gospel here and throughout the world. and until Christ returns, we are each still under the mandate to do just that.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Good post VBG,

I have the feeling that it will be a good thing to be ready to leave on very short notice. The Jews in Germany who were alert to the developments around them made plans to leave, and executed them quickly when the time came.

Our difficulty is that there is nowhere to which we may flee, although those of us in the city might be able to get outa town. Perhaps there is a place already prepared for us, if the occasion should rise. Otherwise, those of us who live in rural areas or small towns may just have to ride out the storm by hunkering down.

Many of us have felt that America has been asking for a trip to God's woodshed for quite some time. That trip may be going on at present.

regards,

Garryowen
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
VB, did you write the blog? Who is this minister?

What is Your Deepest Fear? The man who gave this sermon read a quote from Marianne Williamson

Marianne Williamson was on OPrah way back in the late 80's when I was young and stupid and watched the show. I saw her, bought her book a Course on Miracles, and realized it was nothing but godless new age blather meant to lure people away from God. I paid a lot for the book and eventually I think I threw it away because I was afraid someone would read it and be deceived. The reason I post that is, if your minister is reading her books, you need to find out why. He's treading very dangerous ground.

As to the rest of your post, it's good to see you and others bouncing these thoughts around on the board, it's always nice when we discover our lonely ponderings aren't so alone after all.

Christ said occupy until I come, and somewhere IIRC the Bible also says that we are to live our lives as if He isn't coming in our lifetimes, to go about our business as if everything is normal, and fear not.

I believe that after we die, we'll realize how incredible the afterlife is, and if we'd known, we'd all have commit hari kari to get there. The odd thing is, the older I get, the more precious my life seems to be to me and the more the act of death bothers me. I know where I'm going, I guess it's the not knowing how that scares me. It's like your first kiss, you kind of dread the unknown for years and when it happens it's never as bad as you expect unless you're extremely unfortunate.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
VBG, what church do you go to? I wanna go there too!

(Seriously, DH and I have been searching for a new church for almost 2 years now.)
 
very good OP granny.
As American Christians - even though our freedoms have been watered down and our views shouted down, we have quite possibly still the greatest opportunities to still present the Gospel here and throughout the world. and until Christ returns, we are each still under the mandate to do just that.

Thanks. :) I agree that we still have the best opportunity to spread the gospel. There are people in other parts of this world that truly suffer for their beliefs, and they pray for us. How does that work? They are truly Christians! When was the last time you or I prayed for that African minister floating in that rickety boat to get to his flock across the river? We can learn a lot from other people--we haven't suffered yet...gotten ticked off maybe, but we haven't suffered.
 
Good post VBG,

I have the feeling that it will be a good thing to be ready to leave on very short notice. The Jews in Germany who were alert to the developments around them made plans to leave, and executed them quickly when the time came.

Our difficulty is that there is nowhere to which we may flee, although those of us in the city might be able to get outa town. Perhaps there is a place already prepared for us, if the occasion should rise. Otherwise, those of us who live in rural areas or small towns may just have to ride out the storm by hunkering down.

Many of us have felt that America has been asking for a trip to God's woodshed for quite some time. That trip may be going on at present.

regards,

Garryowen

I think you are right. I've also thought (for years) of how precious the pages of a Bible were to Carrie ten Boom and her sister--and the other women in their camp. Worth dying for...are we ready to die in order to hold on to God's word? I made the statement to friends once that "many of the people in the camps had only the scriptures they'd memorized--we should be memorizing scripture." They said they'd never thought of it like that. Personally, I have lots of hymns memorized--and need to memorize more!
 
VB, did you write the blog? Who is this minister?



Marianne Williamson was on OPrah way back in the late 80's when I was young and stupid and watched the show. I saw her, bought her book a Course on Miracles, and realized it was nothing but godless new age blather meant to lure people away from God. I paid a lot for the book and eventually I think I threw it away because I was afraid someone would read it and be deceived. The reason I post that is, if your minister is reading her books, you need to find out why. He's treading very dangerous ground.

As to the rest of your post, it's good to see you and others bouncing these thoughts around on the board, it's always nice when we discover our lonely ponderings aren't so alone after all.

Christ said occupy until I come, and somewhere IIRC the Bible also says that we are to live our lives as if He isn't coming in our lifetimes, to go about our business as if everything is normal, and fear not.

I believe that after we die, we'll realize how incredible the afterlife is, and if we'd known, we'd all have commit hari kari to get there. The odd thing is, the older I get, the more precious my life seems to be to me and the more the act of death bothers me. I know where I'm going, I guess it's the not knowing how that scares me. It's like your first kiss, you kind of dread the unknown for years and when it happens it's never as bad as you expect unless you're extremely unfortunate.

Yes, I wrote the blog. This was a compilation of 4 sermons by 4 different men. Two were given on June 6 and two were given on June 13th.

I did not like the quote when he first read it, but it grew on me as he explained his take on it. (He got it from Akela and the Bee--a kid movie he'd watched with his young daughter.) I rather think that we are afraid of success--our biggest fear is that we will be successful and we won't know how to handle it, or we'll do something to embarrass ourselves, or people will make fun of us. As I said, the quote wasn't my favorite, but I liked what he did with it.
 
VBG, what church do you go to? I wanna go there too!

(Seriously, DH and I have been searching for a new church for almost 2 years now.)

The first two sermons were by visiting ministers (one who'd grown up in our congregation in our area), the second two were by a deacon and an elder in our congregation as the pastor was out of town.
 

saveamerica

Veteran Member
I have prayed for our rulers ...
granny - many Christians I know pray for 'our rulers'. but unfortunately, without the slightest clue of who the Rulers in our country even are.

do you know who the rulers are in america?

i think most people will agree that *not* knowing who the rulers are would make your prayers ineffective. i'm not using a play on words here, or looking to trick you into answering incorrectly. i mean the REAL rulers.

here's a hint: they are NOT the well-dressed "talking heads" who occupy seats in the senate and reside in the white house. these individuals are SERVANTS (like in 'civil servants'?) as differentiated from MASTERS.

should i give you the answer?

God's Church is in such a mess that words cannot describe it. i believe part of the reason is that 99% of the Church is in total deception, and denial, to the extent that 99% of the churches now have a binding covenant with 'the state' as their 'lord.'

the state now CREATES 99% of the churches, DEFINES them, EMPOWERS them, and restricts what they can preach from the pulpit. the state requires that all incorporated churches maintain financial records, report financial records, collect taxes for certain employees, and many many other 'duties' that all corporations have to perform.

i agree the Gospel needs to be preached. but the one i hear at most churches is not the one. anyone who attends a state church preaches a different Gospel from the one I read in my Bible. God's true church has ONE HEAD, and that is Jesus Christ. a state church has 2 heads, and that is an abomination .. and a monster.
 
granny - many Christians I know pray for 'our rulers'. but unfortunately, without the slightest clue of who the Rulers in our country even are.

do you know who the rulers are in america?

i think most people will agree that *not* knowing who the rulers are would make your prayers ineffective. i'm not using a play on words here, or looking to trick you into answering incorrectly. i mean the REAL rulers.

here's a hint: they are NOT the well-dressed "talking heads" who occupy seats in the senate and reside in the white house. these individuals are SERVANTS (like in 'civil servants'?) as differentiated from MASTERS.

should i give you the answer?

God's Church is in such a mess that words cannot describe it. i believe part of the reason is that 99% of the Church is in total deception, and denial, to the extent that 99% of the churches now have a binding covenant with 'the state' as their 'lord.'

the state now CREATES 99% of the churches, DEFINES them, EMPOWERS them, and restricts what they can preach from the pulpit. the state requires that all incorporated churches maintain financial records, report financial records, collect taxes for certain employees, and many many other 'duties' that all corporations have to perform.

i agree the Gospel needs to be preached. but the one i hear at most churches is not the one. anyone who attends a state church preaches a different Gospel from the one I read in my Bible. God's true church has ONE HEAD, and that is Jesus Christ. a state church has 2 heads, and that is an abomination .. and a monster.

Churchianity has taken over religion. I have only twice heard ministers that were required to preach a certain message--both by the church administration (worldwide admin, not local).

In once case, the minister stood up and told us, "For the first time in my ministerial career, I have been told what to preach. Here is what I was told to say..." Then he went to the Bible and read all the verses disproving what he'd been told to preach. The second time was less pointed. I think the minister was told to preach on a topic that was a problem to church administration...he didn't do a very good job of convincing me. In fact, he ended up proving what I believed (not what the church taught).

I don't believe that there is a perfect church, but there may be a congregation somewhere that meets most of our needs.

I have seen you post before that incorporated churches are under the thumb of the government. At this point, I don't agree with you. However, I haven't researched it fully.

Thanks for commenting on my blog (for that is really what it is).

PS: As for our rulers, I pray for the puppets...that God will give them strength. I don't think the real rulers have any desire to do right. Mostly, though, I just pray that God's Will be done. (That's the only way I can have any peace.)
 
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Thanks...did it fit right in with your comment on the other thread? I think lots of us are just feeling very unsettled...it's hard to prepare and be ready without taking back some of that burden that we were supposed to leave on God's shoulders.
 
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