CRIME Photo Radar Fraud

skoaldiak

WWG1WGA
Video of news coverage about an upcoming protest against photo radars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whFO8tbKpzo

http://www.camerafraud.com/

From the website above
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Purpose, and why we’re opposed to the cameras:

Top Five Reason:


Privacy. We don’t believe the role of government is to spy on its citizens, no matter how well intentioned such a program might be. “Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither,” said Ben Franklin, and we’re inclined to agree.

Safety. That fancy electronic box with a camera and flash bulb might catch a speeder or red-light runner, but it won’t pull over the speeder or red-light runner that’s drunk/high that heading towards your car at the next intersection. That’s why we have police officers.

Sovereignty. Imagine waking up one morning to see this Australian police car in your rear-view mirror on the Loop 101. Imagine the foreign-born officer walking up to your window and demanding your information from you. Then, imagine your outrage when he has the nerve to write YOU a citation, only to find out that your government has outsourced law enforcement to another nation.Such a scenario isn’t a dystopian future, but rather business-as-usual for the cities and state agencies that rely on Rexflex Group, the “Umbrella Corporation” of traffic control systems. And yes, they’re an Australian company.

Due Process. When a police officer stops you and writes a ticket, he has to verify the person’s identity and make sure he gets his paperwork right in order for the ticket to stand up in court. In addition, you’re personally “served” the complaint by the police officer.With automated enforcement, cities and the state send you a copy of the ticket via mail, and according to their own laws such a mailing is not proper service. They instead hope you’ll incriminate yourself by responding to the complaint.Lets be clear: unless you voluntarily waive your rights and respond to some random solicitation in the mail, the only form of proper service for a photo radar ticket is to be served by a licensed and bonded process server. In fact, the notices sent in the mail usually threaten you into compliance, saying that if you don’t respond, you’ll have to pay for your own service if they choose to hire a process server!

Cronyism. We’re all for free-market capitalism, but by commercializing law enforcement activities and awarding no-bid contracts to such companies, we’re rewarding mediocrity. Today it’s “just” traffic citations, tomorrow it could be Blackwater taking over the functions of the Mesa Police Department. When corporations and governments conspire against the will of the people, rights are lost and freedoms are destroyed.

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AngryBeaver

Contributing Member
HELP!?!? I just read this article and remembered I had one of these darn things that I have not had the time or money to take care of. :(

I got one of these photo tickets driving "approx 46" in what was actually only a 35 mph area.

The ticket is not for speeding but for "speed greater than reasonable and prudent". I am VERY PEEVED about it, because the speed limit sign was not visible until I was only about 50 feet from the sign, as the visibility was blocked by a tree branch... and 45 is the speed limit on all other similar roads in that part of town (commercial, 6-lane, divided)!!

The ticket was sent to my my former state of residence and was forwarded to me in my new state at a P.O. box registered to an old physical address. Basically, they can't find me unless they pull a credit report.

Does anyone know, if I miss my "court date" how far will they go to track me down? and will this go on my driving record anyway? They want $175 and I am $400 behind on my electric bill... no way can I pay this stupid ticket.
 

skoaldiak

WWG1WGA
Goto the protest site and talk. I'm sure there will be more than enough people with tons of info on how to handle it. Good luck.

WHEN: Friday, August 22nd - 5:00 PM

WHERE: N.E. corner, Scottsdale Road and Thomas Road, Scottsdale, AZ.
 
Privacy. We don’t believe the role of government is to spy on its citizens, no matter how well intentioned such a program might be.

Let's see. On a public road, in full view of hundreds (if not thousands) of other people. Privacy? Hah. A drivers license is not a basic human right, sorry. If you're truly concerned about speed-camera privacy, hand in your license and walk. If you're truly concerned about that, how about real,live police officers out and about that happen to catch you speeding? Was he spying on you when he came up behind you and noticed you were 10 over the limit and pulled you over, or is that just a "fair cop"?

Safety. That fancy electronic box with a camera and flash bulb might catch a speeder or red-light runner, but it won’t pull over the speeder or red-light runner that’s drunk/high that heading towards your car at the next intersection. That’s why we have police officers.

No, but when the fancy camera catches speeders, it sends them a fine proportionate to the speed. Being smart little human beings who learn from negative reinforcement, the fine (hopefully) deters them from speeding again. Hence reducing the overall ratio of number of speeding people on the road to police officers, giving the police officers more opportunity to catch those other ones. Which is a good thing, no?

Sovereignty. Imagine waking up one morning to see this Australian police car in your rear-view mirror on the Loop 101. etc.

Careful... this is awfully close to playing the race card. Anyway - I have a cunning solution - do not speed and you won't get outraged by things such as this. Besides, I don't care if they're aussie/swedish/iraqui/whatever. If they are by due and legal process a representative of a countries' law, it doesn't matter who they are. Again - don't speed and this problem goes away.

Due Process

I am confused. If there is positive ID of a speeding vehicle,and it's traced to an owner, who consequently receives a fine and a picture of said speeding vehicle, who (presumably, like here) can then pass that fine along to the correct person via a statutory declaration if needed.... is that not a due process? Sure, it's different from the personal friendly respectful service you get from a police officer, but it's still a process with things to follow and checks involved. Again, if said speeding vehicle didn't tend to speed, none of this would be an issue.

Cronyism. We’re all for free-market capitalism, but by commercializing law enforcement activities and awarding no-bid contracts to such companies, we’re rewarding mediocrity.

I'll skip this one, seeing as it appears to be not really that relevant, just a bit of a bitch about how some company is making money because you're breaking a speed limit. Never mind the fact that you *were* breaking the limit in the first place...and if you didn't speed, said company wouldn't be in the business of making money off you. Unless they're going on something like payment for numbers caught, which would make me legitimately suspicious.

Psst - AngryBeaver : There are set standards for viewability of signage. Take a photo of said area + branch and measure the minimum viewable distance of the sign from a car on the road. If it can be reasonably said that you didn't have time to recognise/interpret the sign in it's obscured position (a few seconds or so, normally), it's a perfectly good defense in court.
 

skoaldiak

WWG1WGA
Let's see if I have this right......

I don't speed or break the law so it doesn't effect me. Right?

Lemme guess, you're one of those sheeple that think the patriot act is a good thing.

:kaid:

Where are you going to draw the line? When it does effect 'you'? It will be too late then. Pretty soon we'll be like england and have cameras at every corner. It's no wonder how we got to where we are today with people who are ok with Rights being taken away so long as it 'doesn't effect them'.
 

Green Co.

Administrator
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Guy_Incognito, the cities that use these things have gotten their respective state legislatures to en-act new laws, allowing them to use civil prosecution against traffic violators, rather than criminal prosecution, which has a much higher standard of proof.

I know. I sold a truck to a person that did not immediately transfer title to his name. I received several "camera" tickets, because I was the last registered owner of the vehicle, even tho I was not the driver. It took an attorney, some $, and time before the city of Houston/Harris Co relinquished their claim against me.

Had the criminal law been followed, they would have to prove the identity of the driver. Instead, it's easier (tho not constitutional (in my mind)) to just fine the owner....
 
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