CORONA Peter Navarro Explodes At Fauci In Heated Showdown Over Hydroxychloroquine

[Blacknarwhal]

Take the smarmy little jackass to school, Pete.

Fair use cited so on and so forth.

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Peter Navarro Explodes At Fauci In Heated Showdown Over Hydroxychloroquine

by Tyler Durden
Sun, 04/05/2020 - 23:25

White House economic adviser got into a massive argument with the coronavirus task force's Anthony Fauci over the doctor's ongoing resistance to the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, despite reports of the drug's widespread efficacy.



Via Axios:

• Numerous government officials were at the table, including Fauci, coronavirus response coordinator Deborah Birx, Jared Kushner, acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf, and Commissioner of Food and Drugs Stephen Hahn.
• Behind them sat staff, including Peter Navarro, tapped by Trump to compel private companies to meet the government's coronavirus needs under the Defense Production Act.

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According to the report, towards the end of the meeting Hahn began a discussion of the commonly used malaria drug hydroxychloroquine - which was recently rated the 'most effective therapy' for coronavirus according to a global survey of more than 6,000 doctors.

After Hahn gave an update on various trials and real-world use of the drug, Navarro got up and dropped a stack of folders on the table to pass around.

According to Axios's source, "the first words out of his [Navarro's] mouth are that the studies that he's seen, I believe they're mostly overseas, show 'clear therapeutic efficacy,'" adding "Those are the exact words out of his mouth.

Fauci - who's not got his own Twitter hashtag, #FireFauci - began pushing back against Navarro, repeating his oft-repeated contention that 'there's only anecdotal evidence' that the drug works against COVID-19.

Navarro exploded - after Fauci's mention of anecdotal evidence "just set Peter off." The economic adviser shot back "That's the science, not anecdote," while pointing to the stack of folders on the desk, which included the results of studies from around the world showing its efficacy.

Here's what unfolded next, via Axios:

Navarro started raising his voice, and at one point accused Fauci of objecting to Trump's travel restrictions, saying, "You were the one who early on objected to the travel restrictions with China," saying that travel restrictions don't work. (Navarro was one of the earliest to push the China travel ban.)

• Fauci looked confused, according to a source in the room. After Trump imposed the travel restrictions, Fauci has publicly praised the president's restriction on travel from China.
• Pence was trying to moderate the heated discussion. "It was pretty clear that everyone was just trying to get Peter to sit down and stop being so confrontational," said one of the sources.
• Eventually, Kushner turned to Navarro and said, "Peter, take yes for an answer," because most everyone agreed, by that time, it was important to surge the supply of the drug to hot zones.
• The principals agreed that the administration's public stance should be that the decision to use the drug is between doctors and patients.
• Trump ended up announcing at his press conference that he had 29 million doses of hydroxychloroquine in the Strategic National Stockpile.

According to a source familiar with the coronavirus task force, "There has never been a confrontation in the task force meetings like the one yesterday," adding "People speak up and there's robust debate, but there's never been a confrontation. Yesterday was the first confrontation."

Meanwhile, 37% of 6,227 doctors across 30 countries felt the drug was the "most effective therapy" out of 15 options in treating coronavirus, according to a poll reported by the Washington Times.

The drug has been prescribed in 72% of cases in Spain, 49% in Italy, 41% in Brazil, 39% in Mexico, 28% in France, and 23% in the USA. Overall, 19% of physicians have prescribed the drug for high-risk patients, and 8% for low-risk patients.



More from the Sermo poll (via the Washington Times)

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Sermo CEO Peter Kirk called the polling results a “treasure trove of global insights for policy makers.”

“Physicians should have more of a voice in how we deal with this pandemic and be able to quickly share information with one another and the world,” he said. “With censorship of the media and the medical community in some countries, along with biased and poorly designed studies, solutions to the pandemic are being delayed.”

The survey also found that 63% of U.S. physicians believe restrictions should be lifted in six weeks or more, and that the epidemic’s peak is at least 3-4 weeks away.

The survey also found that 83% of global physicians anticipate a second global outbreak, including 90% of U.S. doctors but only 50% of physicians in China.

On average, U.S. coronavirus testing takes 4-5 days, while 10% of cases take longer than seven days. In China, 73% of doctors reported getting rest results back in 24 hours.

In cases of ventilator shortages, all countries but China said the top criteria should be patients with the best chance of recovery (47%), followed by patients with the highest risk of death (21%), and then first responders (15%).

 

[Millwright]

How did this report of the meeting get out? (assuming it's a closed meeting)

Sounds like Fouci has a target on his back.

Somebody in that room wants him gone.

 

[night driver]

So Peter FINALLY bumps into what has been described as the Number One fault in American Drug authorization for DECADES.


If the CDC/FDA haven't done the testing they don't ACCEPT the results for any number of reasons.

Prey tell, where did peter get his DO/MD degree??

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

 

[blackjeep]

Fauci is big pharma’s representative . Their profits are his highest priority.
He should be fired.

 

[naturallysweet]

I personally think the drug only works on the placebo effect when proscribed early. Problem is that in most areas, good luck getting a test if you don't need a ventilator to breathe. (Also why I'm dont buy the plateau some areas are claiming. Not till they have gone a while longer. Amazing how everything looks better without testing!)

 

[celtic-cat]

It makes me feel so secure that economists are now in charge of health policy in our country. /sarc

Who benefits financially from dramatically increased sales of the drug in question, BYW?

 

[teneo]

Proven science tends to lag anecdotal evidence by necessity, so when time is critical and people are dying you go with what you’ve got. Fauci won’t make a formal recommendation until he has 2 years of studies to back him up.

 

[Dozdoats]

More proof this is a POLITICAL issue more than a medical problem. And all too often these days MD means "Me Doktah, You not."

 

[Old Gray Mare]

How did this report of the meeting get out? (assuming it's a closed meeting)

Sounds like Fouci has a target on his back.

Somebody in that room wants him gone.

Maybe some front line experience in this pandemic war would be invaluable to the good doctor? Maybe send him to a rural hospital in upstate New York to see first hand what new alternative treatments are most effective now that they've just been stripped of their ventilators?

Does he believe research not done in the US is totally invalid? He sounds like a bureaucrat out of cold war era Soviet Union parroting the party line.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

How did this report of the meeting get out? (assuming it's a closed meeting)

Sounds like Fouci has a target on his back.

Somebody in that room wants him gone.

It will be interesting to see where he's employed when this is over.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

So Peter FINALLY bumps into what has been described as the Number One fault in American Drug authorization for DECADES.


If the CDC/FDA haven't done the testing they don't ACCEPT the results for any number of reasons.

Prey tell, where did peter get his DO/MD degree??

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

"I don't need to be a Cordon Bleu chef to tell when someone's upended the kitchen garbage on my plate."

 

[blackjeep]

It makes me feel so secure that economists are now in charge of health policy in our country. /sarc

Who benefits financially from dramatically increased sales of the drug in question, BYW?

Very little profit would be generated by the “drug in question” (hydroxychloroquine) since it is an easily manufactured generic drug.

Dr Fauci is promoting a vaccine which would GREATLY profit big pharma.

 

[nomifyle]

How did this report of the meeting get out? (assuming it's a closed meeting)

Sounds like Fouci has a target on his back.

Somebody in that room wants him gone.

maybe someone is aware of his relationship with hittlery and that POS gates.

Judy

 

[Troke]

It will be interesting to see where he's employed when this is over.

Uh...seems I heard he is 79 yrs old. If so, he may opt for peace and quiet.

 

[et2]

Trump

 

[TidesofTruth]

How did this report of the meeting get out? (assuming it's a closed meeting)

Sounds like Fouci has a target on his back.

Somebody in that room wants him gone.

I WANT HIM GONE!

He may be a good doctor, maybe not but he is an idiot at math and economics. He said he would like everybody on lockdown UNTIL THERE ARE NO MORE DEATHS?!?!??!?!

Little hitler syndrome.

 

[Squid]

So Peter FINALLY bumps into what has been described as the Number One fault in American Drug authorization for DECADES.


If the CDC/FDA haven't done the testing they don't ACCEPT the results for any number of reasons.

Prey tell, where did peter get his DO/MD degree??

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Before you go down the where did whoever get whatever degree’s. I think there are buckets of MD’s, PhD’s, etc... at both the WHO and the CDC, they didn’t seem to have a freakin clue what was going on because they bought the horsecrap shoveled from the CCP from other clowns with lot’s of letters after their names.

There are likely just as many politico deep state types in the health part as any other government department with all kinds of masters that don’t always want to protect the American people.

 

[Jonas Parker]

Placebo effect? Not so! Had a long chat with SIL (a doctor w/ .gov) last night. It works!

 

[frazbo]

Since Gates vaccine is going into trials, is Fauci holding out to heap praises on Gates vaccine when it is available? Hmmmm...cha ching! Fauci: "It's a miracle!"

 

[night driver]

Gates' vax is STILL a MINIMUM of 18 months out, fast-tracked. ASSUMING it works and confers immunity. And assuming it's safe. The LAST coronavirus vax they tried, for SARS 1.0, killed people.

 

[elleyshay]

The movie, Lorenzo's Oil, shows how medical trials are run. It was the parents - not the doctors - that came up with a treatment. (Not in time to save Lorenzo, heartbreaking). There is a great scene where they expose the doctors running the trial for what they really were.

I love doctors. I hate doctors. The good ones are worth their weight in gold.

 

[Snyper]

How did this report of the meeting get out? (assuming it's a closed meeting)

"From a source" (which is why I no longer pay any attention to ZeroHedge.)

 

[intothatgoodnight]

"From a source" (which is why I no longer pay any attention to ZeroHedge.)

I believe we all gathered your position regarding the validity of Zero Hedge - you posted similar, last time - and, the time before that, etc., "Dr. Fauci."

Got any specific, useful, commentary per the OP to share - or, are you only interested in painting with a broad brush, in an attempt to discourage others from reading ALL sources - which, in doing so, would allow them to arrive at their OWN conclusion?


intothegoodnight

 

[Blacknarwhal]

I believe we all gathered your position regarding the validity of Zero Hedge - you posted similar, last time - and, the time before that, etc., "Dr. Fauci."

Got any specific, useful, commentary per the OP to share - or, are you only interested in painting with a broad brush, in an attempt to discourage others from reading ALL sources - which, in doing so, would allow them to arrive at their OWN conclusion?


intothegoodnight

Dude apparently doesn't realize that Zero Hedge's source was Axios. It's linked in the article. Who Axios' source was, I don't know.

 

[Chance]

Fauci represents Bill Gates - who doesn't want a treatment - he wants us to wait for a vaccine that he's backing.

 

[Snyper]

Dude apparently doesn't realize that Zero Hedge's source was Axios.

The "source" was some unnamed individual.
That's also part of the article.

It doesn't matter who published the story first.
If they can't name a source it has no credibility.

If you want to believe them, it makes no difference to me.

(Your "dude" apparently doesn't realize I stopped listening to him a long time ago)

 

[mzkitty]

Well, maybe. But it should be remembered that Italy, Spain and Iran (if you can believe non-official sources) have a very high percentage of deaths. Which is not to say it shouldn't be tried, I suppose. But I'm no doctor either.

The drug has been prescribed in 72% of cases in Spain, 49% in Italy, 41% in Brazil, 39% in Mexico, 28% in France, and 23% in the USA. Overall, 19% of physicians have prescribed the drug for high-risk patients, and 8% for low-risk patients.

 

[rlm1966]

Fauci represents Bill Gates - who doesn't want a treatment - he wants us to wait for a vaccine that he's backing.

That makes no sense. A treatment is good but a vaccine, if it works, is better so they are two distinct items that have different uses. Also killing the economy makes it hard to get a good price for any vaccine that they may develop. If you have no money and no insurance it is hard to pay for vaccine.

Sorry, the old timer is just going for what would, in an ideal world, be the correct solution. Separate everyone and let the virus die off. From a doctor/scientist point of view this makes a lot of sense, but from most other perspectives it is crazy.

 

[DryCreek]

That makes no sense. A treatment is good but a vaccine, if it works, is better so they are two distinct items that have different uses. Also killing the economy makes it hard to get a good price for any vaccine that they may develop. If you have no money and no insurance it is hard to pay for vaccine.

Sorry, the old timer is just going for what would, in an ideal world, be the correct solution. Separate everyone and let the virus die off. From a doctor/scientist point of view this makes a lot of sense, but from most other perspectives it is crazy.

A treatment is more useful at this time for humanity. If it offers relief from the suffering ("cures" the malady), then the vaccine won't be perceived as necessary. Gates and crew want you to be scared enough to line up and insist on vaccinations for the rest of your life. Cost? Pfffft - insurance! When was the last time you paid for a vaccine? Those without the mandated insurance are happily injected by the local health clinic - at taxpayers expense. No, the Gates Foundation and the CDC (who both own hundred of patents for vaccines) want you to fear this disease, and the possibility of it returning - enough to insist that they poke a needle full of questionable adjuvants in you every year like clockwork.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

The "source" was some unnamed individual.
That's also part of the article.

It doesn't matter who published the story first.
If they can't name a source it has no credibility.

If you want to believe them, it makes no difference to me.

(Your "dude" apparently doesn't realize I stopped listening to him a long time ago)

They CAN name a source. Axios. The Zero Hedge article has credibility because it's absolutely true. Axios said this.

You're welcome to debate whether or not the Axios article has credibiliity or not, and it's clear you don't believe it does.

 

[WriterMom]

Well, a poll of physicians certainly is not a scientific study. And just because a study exists does not mean it is valid, reliable, or clinically significant. Having said that, there are few options at this point, and if it works for some people, then given the extreme circumstances I would use it now and study it more in-depth later.

 

[Lone_Hawk]

More proof this is a POLITICAL issue more than a medical problem. And all too often these days MD means "Me Doktah, You not."

My Dad was an old school Physician, he hated the FDA.

 

[Snyper]

They CAN name a source. Axios.

We had this conversation already.
Repeating things don't change the facts.

ZeroHedge repeated a story that came from an unnamed source.
Spreading rumors doesn't give one credibility just because they can say who told them the gossip.

 

[colonel holman]

Well, a poll of physicians certainly is not a scientific study. And just because a study exists does not mean it is valid, reliable, or clinically significant. Having said that, there are few options at this point, and if it works for some people, then given the extreme circumstances I would use it now and study it more in-depth later.

As a highly experienced clinician and instructor for Dr of Physical Therapy students, teaching evidence-based healthcare, I say: a survey of physicians’ use of the drugs is very poor evidence of efficacy, frought with personal bias. Anecdotal evidence is the lowest level of evidence reliability, also frought with personal bias, wishful thinking, cause-effect errors, and (in this case) desperate desire for an answer. The example I often use about anecdotal evidence is my own country lane where I live among farms: every morning dark and early all the roosters begin to crow, and without fail, the sun arises. That is powerful anecdotal evidence that roosters make the sun come up. So, in his profession, Fauci’s hesitation to accept anecdotal evidence is correct. he is academically correct. But even he should agree to let the docs give it a try, low risk, high reward. Then do the controlled research later, once we get our chit together.

 

[Squib]

As a highly experienced clinician and instructor for Dr of Physical Therapy students, teaching evidence-based healthcare, I say: a survey of physicians’ use of the drugs is very poor evidence of efficacy, frought with personal bias. Anecdotal evidence is the lowest level of evidence reliability, also frought with personal bias, wishful thinking, cause-effect errors, and (in this case) desperate desire for an answer. The example I often use about anecdotal evidence is my own country lane where I live among farms: every morning dark and early all the roosters begin to crow, and without fail, the sun arises. That is powerful anecdotal evidence that roosters make the sun come up. So, in his profession, Fauci’s hesitation to accept anecdotal evidence is correct. he is academically correct. But even he should agree to let the docs give it a try, low risk, high reward. Then do the controlled research later, once we get our chit together.

Post hoc fallacy. “Post hoc, ergo propter hoc” - After this, therefore because of this. Informal fallacy.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation

 

[Ractivist]

The Weather Underground quoted, "it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing". It's somewhat appropriate here.

We have a large number of people who were cured or saved from death do to HQ. No other miracle drug has shown such promise, though perhaps Vit C has shown promise as well. Neither puts a dollar in the big pharma's pockets. Most nursing homes won't allow Vitamins, let alone C. Why is this?

We know the good doctor is tied to Gates at the hip. This makes him highly questionable, from an informed preppers perspective....one who questions many vaccines for valid reasons.

So who do you trust? I'd go with the patient who is informed first, and let him choose. If not, then it's the doctors decision, hopefully he's informed on the success rates of the available choices.....

I don't trust Fauci, at all. He's another bought and paid for elitist.

 

[Chance]

Well, this makes sense to me

Dr. Fauci knows a good treatment can distract the public from screaming for a vaccine ASAP. The people will want the cure/treatment now - not something that is months away. And Gates needs the public demanding a vaccine. Fauci will go out of his way to poopoo any treatment that interferes with their (Gates/Fauci/Soros/etc.) agenda.

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Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak [UPDATES]

synopsis:
Coronavirus enters the lungs and parasitically uses cells in the lungs to replicate, producing more copies of itself. The lung cells are destroyed when this happens. The destroyed and dead lung cells accumulate in the lungs causing lung disease - acute respiratory distress syndrome - resulting in death.

Zinc interrupts replication of the virus at the cellular level. However, only a very small percentage of zinc permeates through cell membranes.

Hydroxychloroquine is an ionophore, i.e. in this protocol, it transports zinc across the lung cell membranes, from outside the lung cells to inside the lung cells; as Zelenko explains it - it acts to open channels in the cell membranes to allow the zinc to enter.

Once inside the lung cells, the zinc then stops or slows the virus from replicating.

Zpak is used in the regimen to prevent secondary infections.

This regimen reduces the amount of virus the body has to deal with, allowing the body to develop immunity and recover. Zelenko explains that the virus still will run its course and patients will be miserable, but alive, not hospitalized, not intubated.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

The Weather Underground quoted, "it doesn't take a weatherman to tell which way the wind is blowing". It's somewhat appropriate here.

We have a large number of people who were cured or saved from death do to HQ. No other miracle drug has shown such promise, though perhaps Vit C has shown promise as well. Neither puts a dollar in the big pharma's pockets. Most nursing homes won't allow Vitamins, let alone C. Why is this?

We know the good doctor is tied to Gates at the hip. This makes him highly questionable, from an informed preppers perspective....one who questions many vaccines for valid reasons.

So who do you trust? I'd go with the patient who is informed first, and let him choose. If not, then it's the doctors decision, hopefully he's informed on the success rates of the available choices.....

I don't trust Fauci, at all. He's another bought and paid for elitist.

Maxine Waters thinks he's trustworthy!

 

[ainitfunny]

You guys ALL missed the most TERRIFYING part of the information set before you!
STUDY THE CHART BELOW! - Do you see it yet?

Look at the US doctors. OVER HALF of American doctors would, when you come into the hospital for help would do absolutely NOTHING to help you, but would instead observe and record your "stats"
as you either lived or died, (for later study).
No other nation comes close to that
Maybe THAT is why they are NOW talking about DRAGGING THE SICK FROM THEIR HOMES!!
The word about DOING NOTHING to help patients must be getting back to the public from those who witnessed but survived that treatment!

I am sure that either you can at least help yourself to the best of your ability at home, but not in a hospital.
And some families would at least give you whatever they thought would help or make you more comfortable or better!, Even if that is only turning on the TV, or leaving your your laptop, which you won't have in the hospital overflow. You can't bring your home oxygen generator to the hospital, nor your BIPAP or Cpap machine, which you won't get there. In a hospital or nursing home,You eat and drink when, where, and what they give you, if they allow you anything at all. Your OWN supplements are forbidden, as well as your normal medications unless they approve.

They OFTEN refuse to tell you WHAT they are giving you in the way of medications, (I was being forced,(well they TRIED,) to take medications that would have caused a violent anaphylactic shock, closing my throat! They kept trying, even LYING about what they were giving me!! Oh, it is just a VITAMIN they said. (It actually was a Cholesterol drug that I was HIGHLY allergic to!) They never succeeded in killing me.

KEEP looking that chart over there are other scary facts revealed by those numbers.

 

[Snyper]

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak

95% of those people would likely have recovered anyway.