CRIME Penn State coed verbally consented to sex, male student still charged with rape because he flattered her

MinnesotaSmith

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/49945/she-verbally-consented-sex-school-determined-he-ashe-schow

She Verbally Consented To Sex But The School Determined He Committed Sexual Assault Because He ‘Cajoled’ Her With Flattery


By ASHE SCHOW

July 26, 2019
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"A new lawsuit filed against Pennsylvania State University includes several abnormalities, including the school’s decision to review the first hearing into a student’s alleged sexual misconduct and the decision to change the definition of consent in the middle of the disciplinary proceedings.

John Doe, as he is referred to in court documents reviewed by The Daily Wire, was accused of sexually assaulting a student referred to as Jane Roe at the end of January 2018. The two had met the previous spring since they were both part of the Schreyer’s Honors College. On January 26, 2018, the two met up again in a computer lab and started talking. They then started flirting and Jane put her number into John’s phone, according to the lawsuit, and texted herself, “I LOVE YOU.” The two continued to flirt for several days, and Jane even spent time in John’s dorm room on his bed. She told him she didn’t want to be “friends with benefits.”

On January 27, 2018, Jane told John her roommate was out and gave him her dorm room number. John went to her room at 1 a.m. and the two talked and began kissing. John’s lawsuit claims that Jane’s initial accusation lined up with his own memory of the incident — he performed several sexual acts on her but stopped as soon as she asked and that she told him to stay in her room when she went to the bathroom and then provided him with a condom. The two engaged in sexual intercourse. After the encounter, Jane continued to flirt with John over text messages and allegedly told her friends she wanted to have sex with him again. The lawsuit claims Jane later changed her account of the sexual encounter to claim that John physically forced her into sex and that she tried to get away from him.

A hearing panel was convened, and John was denied due process, as have many students — he was not allowed to call witnesses in his defense or cross-examine his accuser or the witnesses against him. Jane was allowed to present “new information” during her testimony that had not been included in the information John received about the investigation, even though the two were both told explicitly not to bring up “new information.” Jane’s new evidence was her explanations for why she sent flirtatious texts to John before and after their encounter and “explain unfavorable and contradictory information in the packet,” John’s lawsuit states.

John was found responsible and suspended for one year. However, after the hearing, PSU’s Title IX Coordinator Chris Harris asked for a more detailed explanation of why John was found responsible, something that hadn’t been done before and was not outlined in the published disciplinary proceedings information.

The hearing panel’s chair told Harris that the “panel felt that the respondent’s continual flattery ... constitutes cajoling," giving several examples: "'Haha nah you beautiful' followed by two wink emojis, then followed by 'I wanna be both' and 'You’re beautiful' and [']I’m not that emotional, I could be both' after she clearly stated 'Still not gonna f*** u, friend' followed by two squinting face with tongue emojis and her statement that [hooking up] 'ruins friendships,[']."

The panel also found Jane more credible than John because she “was able to offer specific details as to the interaction which were consistent not only throughout the investigation, but also with the text message thread provided,” yet John couldn’t offer such details until he saw the allegations against him. Jane made her accusation against John six months after their encounter in January 2018, and the hearing did not occur until 2019.

While Doe was appealing the decision, he was informed by Danny Shaha, assistant vice president of student affairs, that the appeals process was on hold. He wrote to the appeals officer that the first hearing was under review as “the board may have misinterpreted the University’s definition and application of ‘coercion.’”

Shaha did not vacate the hearing panel’s finding since it didn’t meet the definition of coercion. Instead, he set up a new hearing. Prior to the second hearing, John was provided with a copy of the university’s new definition of consent, which included the word “cajoling” as part of the definition of coercion. The definition was not, at the time, published anywhere public by the school, but was used against him in the new hearing.

John is now suing to stop the ongoing disciplinary process, claiming due process violations and gender discrimination."
 
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MinnesotaSmith

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Always get consent IN WRITING!! That's what it's coming down to....... asinine!!

He did (as phone texts).
Still didn't do the job in establishing his innocence.
Even her admissions in (college kangaroo) court of moving the sex along didn't do that.

My advice of a man never having anything romantically to do with a woman linked to him by a school stands.
The same for the workplace, too; the Pence Rule is very wise.
 

ArisenCarcass

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True, unless he gets one of those (VERY quiet) multimillion dollar settlements. Not sure that's a fair trade for a medical career, but for a man in a liberal arts major, no question.

In a perfect world he would get a Gibson's Bakery-esque amount of money.
And Jane Doe and the University administrators would find her life and STDs unpleasant.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I wonder what the races of the people involved are? If it was a black man and a white woman, I think everyone would be saying "racist" discrimination! EVERYONE would be siding with the man. It is STILL an unjust decision, but only men and a few conservative women defend him. I kinda feel like I do when people otherwise misbehave and are upset with the consequences. Not a lot of Sympathy.

Sex before marriage opens up a host of factors that can rip control of your future out of your hands.
 

MinnesotaSmith

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Related...

https://reason.com/2019/08/01/carleton-college-title-ix-expelled-football-student-lawsuit/

DUE PROCESS

Carleton College Suspended a Student for Drunken Sex. He Appealed. Then They Expelled Him.

His lawsuit claims the campus's procedures made a mockery of due process.
ROBBY SOAVE | 8.1.2019

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"Should continuing to assert your innocence be seen as a sign of guilt? After issuing a three-semester suspension to football player "John Doe" for sexual assault, Carleton College in Minnesota gave him the option of appealing the verdict. He did so, to no avail.

Then the dean of students wrote to Doe that "the fact you continue to assert that it was okay to engage in sexual activity with a person in [Jane Doe's] condition is deeply troubling." John's suspension was upgraded to a permanent expulsion.

That's just one of many troubling claims made in Doe's lawsuit against Carleton College, which was filed in U.S. District Court earlier this month. John alleges that investigators violated his due process rights, ignored evidence that undercut his accuser's claims, and evinced bias against him at all stages of the process.

The lawsuit stems from the events of April 28, 2017, when John, Jane, and many other students received invitations to join a secret society. They were told to meet at a specific place on campus at 2:00 a.m., where the members of the society instructed them to consume copious amounts of alcohol and then cover the president's house in toilet paper. On the way to the house, the lawsuit claims, Jane stopped John, whom she had just met, and began kissing him and then touching him below the belt. According to John's lawsuit, he eventually grew uncomfortable with the public nature of their contact, and suggested they go back to his dorm.

What followed was a sloppy drunken hookup—John vomited both before and after they had sex, and Jane vomited after. But in John's telling, Jane repeatedly, verbally consented to it—indeed, the whole thing had been her idea. If Jane was an incapacitated victim, then so was John.

By 6:00 a.m., John had to go to football practice. He told Jane she could sleep in his dorm room, and wear any of his clothes. A few minutes after he left, Jane stumbled out of the dorm room wearing nothing but John's T-shirt and her underwear. She encountered a random male student, and asked to sleep in his bed. Eventually, the authorities were called out of concern for Jane's well-being, according to John's lawsuit.

Campus security escorted Jane back to her dorm but decided to call her an ambulance. According to the lawsuit, security personnel "found her alert and oriented" but unable to correctly answer certain questions. She claimed to be a member of a secret society, "like a frat," which confused the officers, since Carleton doesn't have any fraternities. Jane vomited on the way to the hospital and "seemed remorseful."

As Jane sobered up, she became concerned that she had been raped, according to the lawsuit. Later that day, after receiving assurances that she would not face sanctions for reckless underage drinking, she filed a sexual misconduct complaint against John.

County prosecutors also filed criminal charges against John, but these were eventually dropped. The Carleton proceedings were adjudicated under the auspices of Title IX, the gender equality statute that looms large in campus sexual misconduct trials thanks to aggressive guidance from the Obama-era Education Department. John's lawsuit argues that he had no shot at a fair hearing, since the entire matter was handled by just two administrators: one who produced a report based on the evidence she had gathered, and another who passed judgment.

John was found responsible, and he was given five days to appeal the verdict to the Community Board on Sexual Misconduct. He did so. Prior to the hearing, he was finally allowed to review the administration's report on the dispute, which contained the Title IX officer's characterization of interviews with witnesses but not the transcripts of the actual interviews. John was also concerned that key text messages, which portrayed him in a favorable light, were not included in the report.

At the actual hearing, John was told that he could not introduce questions to be asked of Jane, who was questioned separately. He was also told that "witnesses would not be necessary at the hearing, as he would not be allowed to present any." Unsurprisingly, the committee confirmed that he was responsible for sexual misconduct. After it suspended him, John appealed the decision—as did Jane, who considered it too lenient.

In his appeal, John argued that the committee had not had access to all relevant evidence when making its decision and that "the sanction is inconsistent with the seriousness of the offense based upon the facts alleged." This apparently irked Dean of Students Carolyn Livingston, who denied John's appeal. She went so far as to agree with Jane that the punishment was too lenient in light of the fact that John had persisted in asserting his innocence. As a result, John was expelled.

The lawsuit demands that Carleton College pay John $75,000 in damages stemming from mental anguish, deprivation of due process and education opportunities, and loss of future career prospects. It will be interesting to watch the college's response to these charges."
 

Bardou

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The same for the workplace, too; the Pence Rule is very wise.

And the media made fun of Pence - especially the women in media. They said he has to take his "mother" to lunch with him and is never alone with a woman. He's pussy whipped they said. No, he has seen what women can do to an innocent man.
 

MinnesotaSmith

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HE FORCED ME TO SIGN IT!!!! See how that works?

Exactly. That's how divorcing women get courts to toss out most prenuptial agreements when she gets bored with her husband and wants new schlong (but isn't tired of current husband's income, house, and children).
 
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jward

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Hmm. So all of the rulings, thus far, have been through those college judiciary boards...
Rather hard to believe this relatively new found willingness to err on the side of females,
given that most colleges still discourage reportings of assaults to the real police, a practice
which definitely allows sexual assault to flourish and continue, sometimes to the point of life
actually being lost.

The rest of the nonsense is so sad that I can't even muster a chuckle at the thought of the "emoji cajoling defense.
...im pretty sure folks who can be cajoled with cartoons aren't mature enough for college, though... Let alone intercourse..

(,...although..,.there is that one emoji that gets me all warm and weak kneed every time....)
 

Publius

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There has to be more to this story we are not be told and neither is the accused guy. His court filing for damages will teach a school of higher learning a lesion on the meaining of Ex Post Facto Law.
 

jward

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There has to be more to this story we are not be told and neither is the accused guy. His court filing for damages will teach a school of higher learning a lesion on the meaining of Ex Post Facto Law.

I do hope they get a lesion from this!? I too am perplexed about what the hell any of this has to do with reality.
If I actually cared, I would first see if he abdicated his rights by agreeing to the student body\ school's oversight boards.

I vaguely recall how they're set up and run, and that alone brings up lots of questions re: how the laws should play out.

Hopefully this pendulum is on it's last swing, and will be stopping somewhere in the vicinity of sane sometime soon!
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
The behavior of these brain-dead females is going to put future generations of women in Burkas.

You have NO IDEA HOW RIGHT YOU ARE!
Depriving males of their Constitutional rights is going to make the Muslim religion seem VERY ATTRACTIVE to men who refuse to play this feminist game.
 
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MinnesotaSmith

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That's already happening...

You have NO IDEA HOW RIGHT YOU ARE!
Depriving males of their Constitutional rights is going to make the Muslim religion seem VERY ATTRACTIVE to men who refuse to play this game.

I can't find the link, but I read about a year ago that in the U.K., nonMuslim men are now occasionally preemptively filing for divorce in the semi-official Sharia courts operating there now in order to get a less unfair shake. The Muslims running the Sharia courts are delighted to get the additional business and legitimacy. The men (and their children) get a better deal. The feminazi divorce industry leeches and the faithless "wives" these men are depriving of their rightful 90% of the men's property and all future earnings are the only ones losing out. It's so sad.... /sarc
 
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