WAR Palestinian Nobel Peace Nominee

[Warandra]

Dr Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish :Nobel Prize Nominee:

Gaza doctor who lost three kids in IDF op tapped for Nobel Prize

By Haaretz Service


Palestinian Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish, whose three daughters were killed during Israel's offensive on the Gaza Strip earlier this year, has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, Army Radio reported on Monday.

The nomination was announced by Belgium's state secretary, who described al-Aish to the Arabic-language daily A-Sharq Al-Awsat as a "soldier of peace." The doctor has been awarded honorary Belgian citizenship "in recognition of his efforts in service of humanity," said the state secretary.

According to A-Sharq Al-Awsat, Minority Affairs Minister Professor Avishay Braverman has called Dr. Abu al-Aish to congratulate him, calling the nomination a victory for humanity.

Abu al-Aish, a father of eight who was trained in Israel, became one of the symbols of the Gaza offensive after he was broadcast on television immediately after an Israeli shell killed three of his daughters and his niece.

In a report drenched with sobs, al-Aish said he hoped his three daughters would be the last victims of the fighting in Gaza, and that their deaths would help bring peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

"I want to know why my daughters were harmed. This should haunt (Israeli Ehud Prime Minister) Olmert his entire life," Abu al-Aish said on Israel's Channel 10, speaking through a cell phone in Hebrew as he has throughout the war.

He added that his daughters were "armed only with love."

The IDF shelled the al-Aish home after troops reported having been fired upon by snipers situated in the house adjacent to theirs, according to an IDF investigation.

The troops identified suspicious figures in the upper levels of the doctor's building, and deduced that they were serving as observers, directing the sniper fire from their vantage point.

The Israeli commander on he ground decided to fire tank shells at the building, hitting al-Aish's home and killing three of his daughters.

Abu al-Aish had denied that there were any militants in the building at the time of the shelling, but thanked those responsible for investigating the incident by saying that "we all make mistakes, and we don't repeat them."

"I have two options - the path of darkness or the path of light. The path of darkness is like choosing all the complications with diseases and depression, but the path of light is to focus on the future and my children. This strengthened my conviction to continue on the same path and not to give up," al-Aish said after the release of the investigation's conclusions.

The 55-year-old gynecologist trained in Israeli hospitals and speaks Hebrew.

 

[Warandra]

Instead of calling for "an eye for an eye," he forgives. What a splended example of the Way to Live. Would we do the same?

 

[MtnGal]

Does that deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?

Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish is a gynecologist from Gaza who works in Israel, not in Gaza. Why wasn't he working with the people of Gaza? I'm sure the people of Gaza could use his services.

 

[Josie]

That's what I was thinking MtnGal! If losing children were grounds for a Nobel Peace Prize, every inner city mama who lost a few and forgave should be a candidate. This is NOT what the prize is supposed to be about!

 

[SarahLynn]

Plus, he is blaming Israel for the deaths of his daughters, when he SHOULD be blaming the inhuman thugs who love to set up missile launchers amongst children!! Where was his outrage when the children of Sderot were being shelled DAILY??? Maybe the residents of Sderot should receive the Nobel prize for patience and longsuffering.

 

[Ender]

Good grief, ladies; talk about Christian charity.

The man is calling for peace between Israel & Palestine; can you say the same?

 

[Dennis Olson]

Here's a picture of the Palestinian up for the Nobel:

 

[Ender]

I know that this will just increase the manufactured outrage, but people who have any real weapons, military might, resources etc. do not use suicide bombers, or launch rockets that can't do much.

This thread is about a man who is calling for peace, but we can't have that, can we? Everyone knows that all Palestinians are animals and all Israelis are God's chosen, to be worshiped by Christians.

BTW, Christ WAS/IS called The Prince of Peace.

 

[SarahLynn]

I know that this will just increase the manufactured outrage, but people who have any real weapons, military might, resources etc. do not use suicide bombers, or launch rockets that can't do much.

This thread is about a man who is calling for peace, but we can't have that, can we? Everyone knows that all Palestinians are animals and all Israelis are God's chosen, to be worshiped by Christians.

BTW, Christ WAS/IS called The Prince of Peace.

The good doctor may be calling for peace, but he's like the guy who went to the dog for the rent-barking up the wrong tree.

For there to be peace, BOTH sides must agree.
ISRAEL was more than willing to live in peace from its creation and has been giving up land and making concessions ever since. ISRAEL was invaded at their Declaration of Independence by Arab armies and they have been actively seeking Israel's destruction ever since.

IF the Palestinians really desired peace, they would perform the most basic of all the many peace discussion requirements and reign in the terrorists in Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. They would take the BILLIONS of international funds given to them and invest in technologies for peace, instead of buying weapons with which to annihilate Israel. They could have built ten water purification facilities by now with those monies. They could have built a tourist paradise in Gaza by now. They would be educating their children in the ways of peace and mutual co-existence rather than in hate and war and death.

Don't tell me the Palestinians are just like us and want to live in love and joy and harmony. They make it clear that they love death and they REFUSE to change their ways. To survive, Israel MUST protect itself, and yes they have taken some hard measures in order to do that. You're a foolish naive person if you don't think every nation on the face of this earth would do the same, if not more, to ensure survival.

BTW, Christ was indeed the Prince of Peace but He also made it very clear that there would be no peace until all nations acknowledge Him. As of yet, the world has not complied.

 

[Ender]

For there to be peace, BOTH sides must agree.
ISRAEL was more than willing to live in peace from its creation and has been giving up land and making concessions ever since. ISRAEL was invaded at their Declaration of Independence by Arab armies and they have been actively seeking Israel's destruction ever since.

IF the Palestinians really desired peace, they would perform the most basic of all the many peace discussion requirements and reign in the terrorists in Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. They would take the BILLIONS of international funds given to them and invest in technologies for peace, instead of buying weapons with which to annihilate Israel. They could have built ten water purification facilities by now with those monies. They could have built a tourist paradise in Gaza by now. They would be educating their children in the ways of peace and mutual co-existence rather than in hate and war and death.

Just like we do, right SL?

Don't tell me the Palestinians are just like us and want to live in love and joy and harmony. They make it clear that they love death and they REFUSE to change their ways.

That's EXACTLY what Americans look like to the outside world. Most countries don't realize that Americans just want to be left alone; they see us as the oppressive War Machine.

To survive, Israel MUST protect itself, and yes they have taken some hard measures in order to do that. You're a foolish naive person if you don't think every nation on the face of this earth would do the same, if not more, to ensure survival.

Yes, EVERY NATION WILL DO THE SAME. Even Arab nations.

BUT- this thread is about one lone man calling for peace- can't even give this one soul a pat on the back, can you?

 

[TheSearcher]

That's EXACTLY what Americans look like to the outside world. Most countries don't realize that Americans just want to be left alone; they see us as the oppressive War Machine.

There is a reason for that, and it is not because it is true. Those with an axe to grind characterize us that way. The whole argument of being 'the world's policeman' is something tangental, but I am talking about a WILLFUL ignoring of the good we do and a focus, and often distortion, on the wars we fight. The 'outside world' may view us that way, but it is in error. I also think that the level of dislike from the 'outside world' is also OVERSTATED by those same axegrinders I mentioned before.

BUT- this thread is about one lone man calling for peace- can't even give this one soul a pat on the back, can you?

Pat on the back? Sure, he's a wonderful and forgiving man to not be cynical after all he's lost. Nobel Peace Prize? Not so much.

 

[SarahLynn]

Quote:
SarahLynn wrote
For there to be peace, BOTH sides must agree.
ISRAEL was more than willing to live in peace from its creation and has been giving up land and making concessions ever since. ISRAEL was invaded at their Declaration of Independence by Arab armies and they have been actively seeking Israel's destruction ever since.

IF the Palestinians really desired peace, they would perform the most basic of all the many peace discussion requirements and reign in the terrorists in Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. They would take the BILLIONS of international funds given to them and invest in technologies for peace, instead of buying weapons with which to annihilate Israel. They could have built ten water purification facilities by now with those monies. They could have built a tourist paradise in Gaza by now. They would be educating their children in the ways of peace and mutual co-existence rather than in hate and war and death.

Ender wrote
Just like we do, right SL?

Just like who does, Ender?
If you're referring to the billions in American aid each year, I'm not sure what your point is.


Sarah Lynn wrote
Don't tell me the Palestinians are just like us and want to live in love and joy and harmony. They make it clear that they love death and they REFUSE to change their ways.

Ender wrote
That's EXACTLY what Americans look like to the outside world. Most countries don't realize that Americans just want to be left alone; they see us as the oppressive War Machine.

Only those who are themselves jealous and/or wishing to supplant you as the Oppressive War Machine see America in that way. If not for America, for instance, Europe would be speaking German right now. I didn't see them calling you the OWM THEN.

SarahLynn wrote
To survive, Israel MUST protect itself, and yes they have taken some hard measures in order to do that. You're a foolish naive person if you don't think every nation on the face of this earth would do the same, if not more, to ensure survival.

Ender wrote
Yes, EVERY NATION WILL DO THE SAME. Even Arab nations.

Except peaceful co-existence WAS offered to the Arab nations by Israel. Israel was produced BY the UN. They are as legitimate as ANY OTHER nation created at the same time-Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon.
They have a right to exist and to defend themselves. Israel's existence is not an existential threat to any Arab nation. It is merely an affront to their religious sensibilities and their pride.

Ender wrote
BUT- this thread is about one lone man calling for peace- can't even give this one soul a pat on the back, can you?

Pure water mixed with poison is still undrinkable. His call for peace is disingenous because it is based on placing the ONUS and the BLAME on a party which HAS tried for peace, and NOT on those who are hindering it at every turn.

 

[Josie]

Ender,
While I deeply admire the good doctor in his ability to forgive and applaud his desire to want peace, that isn't grounds for a Nobel Peace Prize. Of course the grounds are a little shady anymore since the awarding of a Prize to Mohammed Abdel Rahman Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa al-Husseini aka Yasser Arafat in 1994 and Albert Arnold Gore Jr. in 2007.

But I guess anyone can be nominated.

 

[Ender]

Sarahlynn: Pure water mixed with poison is still undrinkable. His call for peace is disingenous because it is based on placing the ONUS and the BLAME on a party which HAS tried for peace, and NOT on those who are hindering it at every turn.

Good grief.

Find me a sentence in this article that blames anyone for his daughters' deaths.

Except peaceful co-existence WAS offered to the Arab nations by Israel. Israel was produced BY the UN. They are as legitimate as ANY OTHER nation created at the same time-Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon.
They have a right to exist and to defend themselves. Israel's existence is not an existential threat to any Arab nation. It is merely an affront to their religious sensibilities and their pride.

You don't really want me to answer this one, do you- because your grasp of history is wanting. My answer will be very long and very tiring. And since when was the UN one of the good guys?

Only those who are themselves jealous and/or wishing to supplant you as the Oppressive War Machine see America in that way.

Oh yeah, the "They hate us for our freedom" logic.

If not for America, for instance, Europe would be speaking German right now. I didn't see them calling you the OWM THEN

Again, faulty history, public school style.

Just like who does, Ender?
If you're referring to the billions in American aid each year, I'm not sure what your point is.

My point was your comment: They would be educating their children in the ways of peace and mutual co-existence rather than in hate and war and death.

We are not ever going to see eye-to-eye on the Israel/Palestine issue, SL. But it would be nice to give this man his due.

Maybe he does not deserve the Nobel Peace Price- I would have to do some investigating. But, surely, someone who loses loved ones in this nasty conflict and still calls for peace should be emulated. This kind of man could influence many for the cause of peace.

Searcher: There is a reason for that, and it is not because it is true. Those with an axe to grind characterize us that way. The whole argument of being 'the world's policeman' is something tangental, but I am talking about a WILLFUL ignoring of the good we do and a focus, and often distortion, on the wars we fight. The 'outside world' may view us that way, but it is in error. I also think that the level of dislike from the 'outside world' is also OVERSTATED by those same axegrinders I mentioned before.

You have made my point. How much of the Palestinian situation, that we hear about, is accurate? Everyone has an agenda and getting to the actual truth of certain issues can be difficult at best.

 

[TheSearcher]

You have made my point. How much of the Palestinian situation, that we hear about, is accurate? Everyone has an agenda and getting to the actual truth of certain issues can be difficult at best.

No I haven't. I've made MY point, that what YOU percieve of the world's opinion of the United States is only that which you choose to accept from the axegrinders.

OTOH, users of this forum, and TOL, and FReepers, and others, exchange information, dig into the stuff that seems out of place, and find multiple verifications (or denials) of the things we're told. Does it all wrap up into a nice, neat package because of our ability to communicate and learn beyond media control? Of course not. But there is enough to say that the simple 'The USA is reviled by all' paradigm is an artificial construct designed to make the USA and its allies doubt themselves.

EVERY time the palis serve up 'the Israelis targeted our women and children' we go to work to see what's true. I'd say 9 times out of 10, the wails and moans turn out to be the Pali's fault, and totally avoidable. They REALLY DO put their fighters in the middle of population centers and civic sites, to use as a political blowback. The media, especially the big boys, try very hard to ignore this tactic. But we uncover it anyway.

As I said, I truly feel for this man and appreciate his less-than-hostile posture after all he's been through. But he'd qualify for the Nobel, perhaps, if he would acknowlege the complicity of the terrorist fighters. Apparently, he has not done so, but then again, this is the media controlling the report...

We don't have to agree on everything to communicate, but we DO INDEED communicate, and that is one more loss of control for the media. That part I dearly love.

 

[SarahLynn]

Quote:
Sarahlynn: Pure water mixed with poison is still undrinkable. His call for peace is disingenous because it is based on placing the ONUS and the BLAME on a party which HAS tried for peace, and NOT on those who are hindering it at every turn.

Ender wrote
Good grief.

Find me a sentence in this article that blames anyone for his daughters' deaths.

"I want to know why my daughters were harmed. This should haunt (Israeli Ehud Prime Minister) Olmert his entire life," Abu al-Aish said on Israel's Channel 10, speaking through a cell phone in Hebrew as he has throughout the war.

If Israel's not to blame, why should their deaths haunt ANY Israeli? Shouldn't those responsible be the ones who are haunted?

Quote SarahLynn:
Except peaceful co-existence WAS offered to the Arab nations by Israel. Israel was produced BY the UN. They are as legitimate as ANY OTHER nation created at the same time-Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon.
They have a right to exist and to defend themselves. Israel's existence is not an existential threat to any Arab nation. It is merely an affront to their religious sensibilities and their pride.

Ender wrote
You don't really want me to answer this one, do you- because your grasp of history is wanting. My answer will be very long and very tiring. And since when was the UN one of the good guys?

My grasp of history is just fine, thanks. As shown abit above, where you missed the good doctor blaming Olmert and therefore Israel for his daughter's deaths, your reading and comprehension skills appear to be lacking, not mine. I wouldn't be calling anyone's grasp of history into question were I you. And where did I say that the creation of several ME nations made the UN "the good guys"? Fact is, the UN DID involve itself with the vote on Israel's legitimacy as a nation, whether you agree with that vote and the outcome or not.
Please, read carefully what is being said, and don't stretch my words with false assumptions and read ins.

And No, I probably would not be interested in your "long and tiring" view of ME history if it is as faulty as the rest of your posts.

Quote SarahLynn:
Only those who are themselves jealous and/or wishing to supplant you as the Oppressive War Machine see America in that way.

Ender wrote
Oh yeah, the "They hate us for our freedom" logic.

Once again, your logic is faulty and your assumptions are real stretches, false t'boot. Where do I intimate that they "hate us for our freedom"? Plenty of nations have just as much freedom as you.
They hate you for your power, is what I'm saying.

Oh yeah, its only a fact that the USA did the bulk of restoration of Europe since WW2, that the USA has done the heavy lifting in restraining Russia's aspirations in Europe. Even Obama admitted the other day that there has not been much love lost between Europe and the USA.

Quote:
If not for America, for instance, Europe would be speaking German right now. I didn't see them calling you the OWM THEN

Ender wrote
Again, faulty history, public school style.

You've proven your academic prowess real well thus far!

Quote SarahLynn:
Just like who does, Ender?
If you're referring to the billions in American aid each year, I'm not sure what your point is.

Ender wrote:
My point was your comment: They would be educating their children in the ways of peace and mutual co-existence rather than in hate and war and death.

Well, why don't they then? Instead we get offerings like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on state run TV from the PA and from Egypt.

Ender wrote

We are not ever going to see eye-to-eye on the Israel/Palestine issue, SL. But it would be nice to give this man his due.
Maybe he does not deserve the Nobel Peace Price- I would have to do some investigating. But, surely, someone who loses loved ones in this nasty conflict and still calls for peace should be emulated. This kind of man could influence many for the cause of peace.

And I still say that blaming someone who was not directly responsible is cowardly and is hardly showing good character. He is being politically correct and following the path of least resistance in blaming Israel, because HE CAN.

LOTS of people lost loved ones in Gaza, not just him. Some of the Gazans themselves put blame where it was due-on the TERRORISTS. If he wants recognition for true bravery-he can call it what it is. Like that little girl did who said the Hamas killed her baby brother.

 

[Ender]

SL- I meant that he was not vilifying Israel about the war- obviously he knew who killed his daughters. I also read your first post wrong and thought you were saying that he was indicating that the blame was America's fault.

I know you are passionate about this subject and I will not try to dissuade you- however, there are many questionable circumstances and agendas that lead to the establishment of Israel.

Arabs/Jews/Christians, who were thrown into upheaval over these circumstances, have a right to question said agendas. Not everything is as black and white as you would wish.

I agree fully with Israel's right to BE. I also agree with Palestine's right to exist and I believe it should be declared a country, instead of being a pawn.

Searcher,

I do not think that everything is the US's fault. I have a firm belief in my country and what it was founded on.

However, we did not get into the mess we are in strictly because of the present admin or even the previous. We have been lied to for a very long time and my wish is for us to WAKE UP.

Even though I am a cock-eyed optimist, I have a tendency to look into the dark corners and I am good at adding 2+2.

That saying- I appreciate your POV because it makes me look at the balance rather than just the darkness, and for that I thank you.

 

[SarahLynn]

Ender wrote

SL- I meant that he was not vilifying Israel about the war- obviously he knew who killed his daughters. I also read your first post wrong and thought you were saying that he was indicating that the blame was America's fault.

Don't worry about it, I have frequently misunderstood posts and intents as well-it happens. I'm glad the misunderstanding was clarified.

It seems to me though that the doctor IS vilifying Israel when he holds Olmert to account and says he hopes Olmert will be haunted by his daughters' deaths. Olmert ordered the Gaza offensive in which his daughters were killed. What would this doctor have Israel do, I wonder? Passively sit while ANOTHER 6,000 missiles were lobbed into Israel? In order to kill the people killing Israelis, civilians were harmed because the TERRORISTS CHOSE to set up shop in civilian areas. There is no polite way around that.

Ender wrote

I know you are passionate about this subject and I will not try to dissuade you- however, there are many questionable circumstances and agendas that lead to the establishment of Israel.

I'd respectfully disagree with that, as I see Israel as the kid voted least likely by the world to succeed, but has, despite all odds. I see Israel's puny strength of numbers and the millennial history of hatred surrounding them- I know you would likely tend to see the opposite, Israel's technological and military strength.

I also see a more kindred spirit with Israel and us than in any Islamic nation, and yet so many seem to have trouble in recognizing the affinity we have or should have with Israel. However, I CAN say that at one time (during my rebel teen days) I definitely took the Palestinian point of view as one rebel to another, but have through many years come to my present POV.

I can't entirely fault you for the same position I once held. Of all posters leaning toward the Pali side you tend to be most civil. I credit you with that.

Ender wrote

Arabs/Jews/Christians, who were thrown into upheaval over these circumstances, have a right to question said agendas. Not everything is as black and white as you would wish.

Things are far from black and white, but I believe the preponderance of evidence for the rightness of their cause lies with and for Israel. Just observing what I see at rallies for each side, for instance. Just observing the amounts of aid which have gone to both sides, and what each side has done with theirs. Taking into account what I know of their holy books and the founders of each religion. Looking at what each nation has built and their human rights records.

I don't "wish" for anything, it is what it is.

Ender wrote

I agree fully with Israel's right to BE. I also agree with Palestine's right to exist and I believe it should be declared a country, instead of being a pawn.

Well, that's all right and good enough, but they consistenly show that they DON'T agree with Israel's right to exist. Indigenous Arab Palestinians were given a country called Jordan, and they attacked Israel in 1948. And when Jordan DID control the West Bank, NO ONE called for autonomy for the Palestinians then, just as when Egypt controlled the Gaza strip NO ONE called for a Palestinian state. You see, there is ALOT of deceit, lies, disingenous language and revisionism from the Muslim side. They DO NOT and WILL NEVER agree to the existence of Israel-their own political and religious leaders have made this plain. So to put the onus on Israel for the lack of peace, as SO many do, is FAR from fair.

 

[Ender]

SarahLynn,

I want to thank you for that last well-articulated post. I think we have reached a place where we can discuss issues and still have respect for one another.

I know I have gained respect for you on this thread.

I have some of my own insights to talk about but if you don't mind, I am going to save for for a few days. I have a huge day tomorrow and I am in and out of the forum tonight- just taking a few breathers when the preps for tomorrow get tedious.

Just didn't want you to think this was a hit 'n' run post.

 

[SarahLynn]

SarahLynn,

I want to thank you for that last well-articulated post. I think we have reached a place where we can discuss issues and still have respect for one another.

I know I have gained respect for you on this thread.

I have some of my own insights to talk about but if you don't mind, I am going to save for for a few days. I have a huge day tomorrow and I am in and out of the forum tonight- just taking a few breathers when the preps for tomorrow get tedious.

Just didn't want you to think this was a hit 'n' run post.

Same backatcha. I am very much interested in your perspectives. Knowing ahead of time that we will both bring strong views and different POVs is what makes this place both refreshing and fun. I don't believe I've ever seen you run away from any topic on this board so I'd never think that of you.
If nothing else, you'll make me aware of the arguments I'll face from my Islamic students when I teach my next ESL class

 

[MtnGal]

The Nobel Peace Prize has been such an erroneous title for so long it is laughable that it is coveted.

 

[Warandra]

Excellent job, Ender. Couldn't get back to a computer, till now. Thank God for those who actually do believe in and practice Peace. Yes, Jesus Is The "Prince Of Peace." This, believe it or not, was one of the reasons He was rejected by the Jews. They wanted a warrior to come along and deliver them from their enemies. Most of them still do (and, so do some misguided Christians).

But, Jesus preached Peace and Love. He said "My Kingdom Is Not Of This World." During this season, especially. perhaps some will come to understand and follow His teachings and come to actually Know Him (and not some false image based upon misinformation and man-made propaganda).

 

[SarahLynn]

Excellent job, Ender. Couldn't get back to a computer, till now. Thank God for those who actually do believe in and practice Peace. Yes, Jesus Is The "Prince Of Peace." This, believe it or not, was one of the reasons He was rejected by the Jews. They wanted a warrior to come along and deliver them from their enemies. Most of them still do (and, so do some misguided Christians).

But, Jesus preached Peace and Love. He said "My Kingdom Is Not Of This World." During this season, especially. perhaps some will come to understand and follow His teachings and come to actually Know Him (and not some false image based upon misinformation and man-made propaganda).

Well that's all wonderful, that Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world, I think we all pretty much gathered that, and it's also lovely to know all those other wonderful Scriptural teachings, but unfortunately, we also live in the here and now, in a very flesh and blood world where there are people who would like to kill us RIGHT NOW.

Waranda, with all due respect, your post is abit silly. Almost EVERY Christian AND Jew that I know believes in peace, unlike some religions which boast that they love death and mayhem. Any one of us can yammer about peace until the cows come home, but if you were sitting in your backyard and someone was throwing bombs, knives, poison, missiles, etc. at your children while we sat all comfy in your lawn chairs, admonishing you to keep yer chin up, and love yer neighbor, our platitudes about peace would be ringing rather hollow, I'm sure. OF COURSE any SANE person loves, hopes for, and wants peace.
But the people Israel is dealing with are NOT sane-they are sworn to the death of Israel as a nation and as a people and as individual Jews, too!
The book of James tells us to walk the walk as well as talk the talk-to feed and clothe and HELP the downtrodden with more than words of cheer. So in Israel's case it's very nice to remind them about their coming Prince of Peace, but I'm sure they'd appreciate some tangible reminders of our "love" for the Jews, too.

 

[Josie]

I still don't understand how Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish is qualified to become a Nobel Peace Prize nominee! But then again, Adolf Hitler was nominated in 1939.

 

[BoatGuy]

Does that deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?

Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish is a gynecologist from Gaza who works in Israel, not in Gaza. Why wasn't he working with the people of Gaza? I'm sure the people of Gaza could use his services.

Heck, they were talking about nominating BO for the Peace Prize before he had even taken office or done anything. Seems more like a popularity contest, to me. But, as in all things, I may be wrong. I support this man's desire for peace. But, as long as one side wants the other side dead, I don't see it happening.

 

[SarahLynn]

Heck, they were talking about nominating BO for the Peace Prize before he had even taken office or done anything. Seems more like a popularity contest, to me. But, as in all things, I may be wrong. I support this man's desire for peace. But, as long as one side wants the other side dead, I don't see it happening.

I agree with you about the thing becoming a politically correct bit of drivel. This doctor may very well be sincere in his desire for peace, but his method of expressing it is misguided. No matter how we cut it, he blamed Israel for the deaths of his daughters and that was taking the PEECEE way out.

After Yassir Arafat won it, does ANYONE still really think the Nobel Peace Prize is actually about "peace"??? Like, seriously!

 

[Flippper]

I've been told that they will not select Christians as Nobel Peace Prize winners. True?

Warandra said: "Yes, Jesus Is The "Prince Of Peace." This, believe it or not, was one of the reasons He was rejected by the Jews. They wanted a warrior to come along and deliver them from their enemies...But, Jesus preached Peace and Love. He said "My Kingdom Is Not Of This World." During this season, especially. perhaps some will come to understand and follow His teachings and come to actually Know Him"

Matthew 10:33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

There are many, many statements made by Jesus regarding peace-personal peace.

"Peace be unto you."

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Philippians 1:2
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Over and over, Peace is directed at the person, not the nation. I may be mistaken but I have the impression you think we need to bring about world peace, or peace in the Middle East. In fact, that is God's job not ours. I think there are a sect of Christians who think we, as Christians, need to make the planet all pretty and nice for Jesus' return, when in fact, the planet is ripped a new one by the Judgements of Revelation before his return. Jesus is big enough to reconstruct and repair His Creation, IMO. Anyway, if I'm mistaking your statement, I apologize in advance.

 

[D_el]

I still don't understand how Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish is qualified to become a Nobel Peace Prize nominee! But then again, Adolf Hitler was nominated in 1939.

The Nobel Peace Prize lost all credibility with me when they awarded it to Yasser Arafat.

 

[Warandra]

Well that's all wonderful, that Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world, I think we all pretty much gathered that, and it's also lovely to know all those other wonderful Scriptural teachings, but unfortunately, we also live in the here and now, in a very flesh and blood world where there are people who would like to kill us RIGHT NOW.

Waranda, with all due respect, your post is abit silly. Almost EVERY Christian AND Jew that I know believes in peace, unlike some religions which boast that they love death and mayhem. Any one of us can yammer about peace until the cows come home, but if you were sitting in your backyard and someone was throwing bombs, knives, poison, missiles, etc. at your children while we sat all comfy in your lawn chairs, admonishing you to keep yer chin up, and love yer neighbor, our platitudes about peace would be ringing rather hollow, I'm sure. OF COURSE any SANE person loves, hopes for, and wants peace.
But the people Israel is dealing with are NOT sane-they are sworn to the death of Israel as a nation and as a people and as individual Jews, too!
The book of James tells us to walk the walk as well as talk the talk-to feed and clothe and HELP the downtrodden with more than words of cheer. So in Israel's case it's very nice to remind them about their coming Prince of Peace, but I'm sure they'd appreciate some tangible reminders of our "love" for the Jews, too.

Sorry you misunderstood.

The point I am attempting to make is that many are still looking for a military solution to the world's problems (not that people prefer war over peace). These folks still don't understand that permanent change can only come due to a Change, within. Once a person is Transformed from within, then, the world around them changes, too. Military conquest isn't an option for those who adopt this Way of Being.

 

[SarahLynn]

Sorry you misunderstood.

The point I am attempting to make is that many are still looking for a military solution to the world's problems (not that people prefer war over peace). These folks still don't understand that permanent change can only come due to a Change, within. Once a person is Transformed from within, then, the world around them changes, too. Military conquest isn't an option for those who adopt this Way of Being.

I agree that the Palestinians are very entrenched in the mentality of looking for a military solution to their problems, and they definitely prefer war over peace.
Israel is not interested in military conquest-they want peace but they also would like their existence to be assured, too. It is ISLAM which has stated time and time again that the world must and WILL be taken for Allah.
One simply CANNOT have peace until either our side surrenders or their side gives up their passion for murder. That's just the reality.

 

[Worrier King]

How appropriate a Pali receives the Nobel Peace Prize, an award named after Alfred Nobel, a Swedish chemist and industrialist, who was the inventor of the high explosive dynamite.

AND does it surprise anyone that it's the "evil Joooos" fault again?
Obviously the two state solution has not and does not work and the Arabs/Muslims and Palis need to work among themselves to resolve this U.N. created generational refugee problem.

What despicable in it all is the way the Arabs/Muslims use the Pali's as pawns to advance other vested interests and themselves seriously could not give 2 s**ts and a f**k about the Palis.

The Arabs/Muslims themselves cannot tolerate the Pali's, themselves kicking the Palis out of their own nations, and/or sealing their borders with them.

 

[Warandra]

The Palestinians do want Peace, as much (or more) than the Isrealis. The Palestinians were (and are being) forced from their Homeland. But, both sides think that war is a must. It isn't. Both sides want a powerful military leader to come along and deliver them and destroy their enemies. That isn't going to happen, either.

Only through the process of Surrender to Sanity (which includes understanding, respect and compassion) will a True and Lasting Peace be found.

My personal belief is expressed through this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB53Sx7oK94

 

[SarahLynn]

The Palestinians do want Peace, as much (or more) than the Isrealis. The Palestinians were (and are being) forced from their Homeland. But, both sides think that war is a must. It isn't. Both sides want a powerful military leader to come along and deliver them and destroy their enemies. That isn't going to happen, either.

Only through the process of Surrender to Sanity (which includes understanding, respect and compassion) will a True and Lasting Peace be found.

My personal belief is expressed through this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB53Sx7oK94

Many Jews were forced from their Homeland for thousands of years too. All they ask now is 1/6 of the total land area, far less than they were originally promised by the British. Israel has compromised many times, the Arabs have not. Israel has signed many peace treaties but the Muslims refuse to even fulfill the most basic peace treaty requirements and stop the violence. They keep electing bloodthirsty regimes who speak glibly of peace in English while promising in Arabic that Jihad will continue. They rejoice when Israelis are murdered. Israel mourns and conducts investigations when Palestinians are wrongfully killed.
The Koran and the Hadith demand that Muslims never accept a free Israel within their midst and that Muslims conquer the world for Allah. Singing Kumbaya will sadly never change the reality.

 

[kozanne]

The Nobel Peace Prize has been such an erroneous title for so long it is laughable that it is coveted.

The year Yasser Arafat got it pretty much cooked that goose for me.