PREP Packaged Food and Expiration/Best By etc. Dates

WakeMeUp

Veteran Member
I'm looking for input and anyone with experience with using certain food items past the expiry or best by dates. For one, I have some boxed chicken broths and soups dating back to 2013-2017. Has anyone actually used this stuff that far past the date? I'd be interested to hear if they might still be good enough to use, or is it simply a matter of how they look, smell and taste?

The other items I'm not sure about from what I'm reading is canned tuna, canned tomatoes such as diced, and canned beans such as black or pinto.

The items have been stored in temperature contolled environments and for part of the time even a bit on the cool side. I just need to know what might need to be replaced for sure. Appreciate any input.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
If the soups are Lipton we very recently tried some dated best by 2018, and found it stale in a nasty way.

As far as canned foods our longest experience has been with off-brand creamed corn purchased in "97 or "98. As of 2-3 years ago it was still good but slightly 'off' as far as taste. Not bad enough to not eat, just 'off,' sort of like between a store brand and major name brand 'off.'

Canned tuna: have not bought any for several years, close to 5 minimum. Place we used to live a chain grocery had case lot sales and we stocked up. Use it regularly, zero issues.

Have some cans of tomatoes and green chilis (mixed) that have leaked, at least 5 years old. Have never found any form of canned meats go bad that was fit to eat to begin with. Keystone Meats says several years minimum. Our experience after finding them is at least 4 years without any issue. Spam used to officially say at least 7 years; our experiences going on 10 and longer.

Some soups go nasty after a half dozen or more years. Cream-type soups may develop an off-taste compared to typical chunky or condensed soups.

Peaches will eat through cans in my experience in less than 2 years (Del Monte). Canned beans we have not tried, just know that bagged pintos will get so hard they will not soften and have to be ground to be used.

Dinty Moore lasts longer than we have been trying it for is all I can say. Again, case lot sales meant we stocked a lot. Canned broths are good at least 5 years, regardless of brand so far.

All this is personal experience. We have long-term storage, intermediate (cans) and shorter-term (electric-dependent between the fridge and freezers).

RR
 

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I opened a 3 yr. old mac and cheese and wouldn't even try because the powdered cheese looked HORRIBLE! I heard it would still be good even if the tasted "changed" a bit, but no way, Jose' was I going to eat that stuff!!
 

WakeMeUp

Veteran Member
Wow thanks, Rascal. I do have 1 can of peaches - I guess I'll be letting those go. Do tomatoes eat through cans? I think I have a can or two with chiles.... Ugh...id hate to throw anything away but this is a little scary - haha.

The soups & broths are the liquid kind they sell in boxes.

Terrieannie - that sounds gross, LOL. I didn't put any of those up so that's good. I use what I buy of boxed Mac n cheese.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
The actual chance of getting botulism from canned goods that look and smell okay is pretty darn slim. Our rule of thumb is if there is any question of bulging (top or bottom) we toss it. Otherwise it is subject to smell, appearance, and taste.

We don't worry about possible nutrient degradation because we aren't entirely dependent on Campbell's Soup for our nutrition, so we don't care of some of the vitamins have degraded into simple molecules. We only toss based on the can's appearance, and assuming that passes the contents once opened.

Regarding Terriannie's post: we have found that dry pasta stored in the box gets nasty looking (color changes) after a number of years. Enough so we just toss it. Its cheap so we don't care if it would taste good or not, because any gourmand knows you eat with your eyes as much as you do your mouth. We have dehydrated cheese stored, and also canned pasta. Boxed stuff is for short-term panty stock only because of the issue illuminated.

RR
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Regarding Terriannie's post: we have found that dry pasta stored in the box gets nasty looking (color changes) after a number of years. Enough so we just toss it. Its cheap so we don't care if it would taste good or not, because any gourmand knows you eat with your eyes as much as you do your mouth. We have dehydrated cheese stored, and also canned pasta. Boxed stuff is for short-term panty stock only because of the issue illuminated.

Don't store it in the box! I once chanced into a great deal on elbow macaroni, and as I was feeding a ravenous crew of teenagers, I bought 150#. IIRC, it took about 8 years to use up. I kept it in a mylar bag, inside a galvanized garbage can in our cool basement. No O2 absorbers, dessicants, etc... I didn't even seal the bag (didn't know better, to be honest. I saved money by buying in bulk on sale, and stocking up twice a year at several restaurant and bakery supply stores). I just rolled the neck of the bag down tight after removing a gallon to the working pantry.

It stayed the exact same color, texture and taste until it was gone. I decided pasta was a vital part of an end times storage plan! LOL!

Summerthyme
 
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nomifyle

TB Fanatic
We have canned fruit that expired in '18 and its still fine, even though there is a bit of rust on the outside, inside is just fine. I have to battle DH about not eating it out of the can.

I opened a box of mac n cheese, the cheese had darkened a bit but smelled fine and cooked up fine, tasted fine although I added extra butter. Mac n cheese now goes in a vacuum sealed canning jar.

Judy
 

WakeMeUp

Veteran Member
Thanks all. That's funny about all the elbows, Summerthyme. Good to know and glad it worked out - haha. it's looking like I'll have to toss all those boxes; I was hoping they'd still be good. More to add to the shopping list. I'm still curious about canned beans because I was reading they don't keep well in cans... Sigh.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Over the years I found the following factory canned products go bad in a short time! Pineapple, Oranges. Tomato all will eat threw the tin can from the inside out in about two to three years time, the Tomato or various products that have tomato in it may take a little longer but given enough time it will destroy the tin can it's in. Many crackers and cookies and various other snack foods will go bad in a short time because of the cooking oils thats now used in them and the oils go rancid and you will know by the smell not to eat it. Pasta we store in plastic containers or glass jars to keep bugs out and same for rice we use half gallon canning jars for long term storage and vacuum seal the jars because bugs cannot live in a vacuum environment.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Are you talking about those boxed packs of already liquid soup and stock? Like these?

If so, I wouldn't use them much past their date. Too many things can go wrong with the packaging. Pretty fragile.


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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Canned tuna is probably fine, as well as the beans. The tomatoes may not look or taste the same. I've found old store-canned tomatoes seem to get more acidic tasting, and the cans are prone to leakage from the acidic contents.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Basically ignore the expiration dates, which are pretty meaningless. If your stuff was stored in ideal conditions, it should be good well past the expiration date; under less than ideal conditions, it may not last as long as the expiration date. Those dates are just guidelines to protect the company legally. You have to learn what to look for, so you know if your food is still safe to eat or not. The things to watch for have been mentioned already - bulging cans, holes rusted through, bad smell (don’t taste questionable food). Changes in appearance may be only cosmetic, though. It’s wise, with most canned food other than fruit, to boil the contents before serving them (do a little research on the length of time to boil - I think ten or twenty minutes, but don’t just go by my memory).
Kathleen
 

school marm

Veteran Member
Best-By Dates--What Those Numbers Stamped on Cans and Packages Really Mean

"Best By" Dates--What Those Numbers Stamped on Cans and Packages Really Mean



You know, those various dates stamped on packages have been a business boon for food manufacturers. Because most Americans don't understand those numbers, hundreds of thousands of pounds of food get thrown away every day. So much money is wasted. Then there are those of us who do use foods way past the magical date on the package, much to the horror of those around us. Having a little understanding of these dates and how they work can make us and our family feel a little more reassured.


To begin with, let's take a look at the various terms.
  • Best by dates are used by the canned food industry. They are not expiration dates. The manufacturer states that the product will remain at peak quality and nutrition through that date. It has nothing to do with safety.
  • Use by is the last day peak quality is guaranteed by the manufacturer.
  • Sell by dates are for perishables like dairy and produce. It is the last day for which the item is at peak quality and freshness. The issue is the quality of the item--taste, freshness, consistency--not whether it is about to spoil.
  • Guaranteed fresh usually refers to bakery items. The bread doesn't magically go bad the day after; it just may not taste quite so fresh.
Noteworthy is the fact that none of these dates are required by the government. The only food that must be dated is baby formula. All those other dates--best by, use by, sell by, guaranteed fresh--are provided voluntarily by the food manufacturers. It helps grocery stores rotate stock efficiently. The fact that most consumers don't understand the meaning of those dates and interpret them to mean discard is an added bonus.

You may have noticed that there are frequently some other numbers and letters on those packages, usually right before or right after the use by or best by dates. The look like a secret code--and they are! Because the government doesn't require these dates (and I'm not saying the government should), there is no standardization. Companies are free to label however they want. But it can lead to confusion and certainly makes for some difficulty in decoding. All of these codes are the pack dates, and they're most often used for canned goods. Some examples of common ones are listed below. But remember, companies are free to do whatever they want, or nothing at all.
  • MMDDYY--month, day, year. You got this one.
  • Number 1 through 365, for whatever day of the year it was canned. Also pretty easy.
  • A mixed code where numbers 1 through 9 are used to represent January through September, and the letters O, N, and D are for October, November, and December, and then numbers are used for the day of the month and the year.
  • A four-digit number code where the first number is for the year (i.e., 2019 is represented by a 9), and the next three digits are the day of the year (i.e., 145 would stand for the 145th day of the year, May 25). (Yeah, this only works if you keep food less than 10 years.)
  • A six-digit code like the following S03069. The S is a plant code and had nothing to do with the date. March is represented by 03. The sixth day of the month is 06. The 9 is for the year, meaning this can was packed March 6, 2019.
So why are these dates important? Well, they can help you understand how long your food may really last. In general, acidic foods like fruits will not last as long as vegetables or meats or milk. Tomatoes and pineapple seem to have the shortest shelf life. They are so acidic that the acids eat through the coating on the interior of the can and then the can itself, making a complete mess of things when they leak. (Pineapple and tomatoes canned in glass last much longer.)

Vegetables may be good up to five years, meats up to ten years. Milk can go quite a while, too, but it may turn brown and look unappealing.

Rather than the date stamped on the can, of far greater importance is to focus on the condition of the can itself and how it was stored. Is the can bulging or rusted or dented? That bulging can gets tossed, no questions asked. If the can is dented, the seal may have been compromised, and it will be difficult to determine just by looking at it. Is it a significant dent (which is more likely to be a problem)? Or just pushed in a little bit? If the can is rusted, maybe it's just the beginning of rust and the rust hasn't eaten all the way through the can yet. The rule is that if the seal is intact, the food is safe regardless of age. But with dented or slightly rusted cans, it can be difficult to tell. So there is a simple test to perform when determining whether the contents are safe.

First, clean the lid well. Then put a little bit of water on top and tilt the can so that the water pools against the rim. Pierce the rim with your can opener through the little pool of water. If the water is sucked into the can, the food is good. If, however, the water is forced away or if bubbles appear through the water, the seal was compromised at some point and the food should be discarded.

Commercially canned food that is stored in a cool, dry place may remain good for many years past the dates stamped on the can. These foods are still safe to eat and most of the nutritional value remains as well. The color and texture may change, but the food is still safe.
 

Marseydoats

Veteran Member
Thanks all. That's funny about all the elbows, Summerthyme. Good to know and glad it worked out - haha. it's looking like I'll have to toss all those boxes; I was hoping they'd still be good. More to add to the shopping list. I'm still curious about canned beans because I was reading they don't keep well in cans... Sigh.

I've got some black beans that got lost in the pantry (husband moved them from their designated shelf) they are 5 years out of date and taste just fine. they may not have any nutritional value, but I'm not throwing them out.
 

rafter

Since 1999
I went thru my cabinets today and organized. Found a bottle of ketchup way in the back that was brown...tossed it. Also some salad dressing that just looked nasty. Again, got shoved to the back and other stuff put in front of it. Glad I got everything organized again.
 

Coco82919

Veteran Member
I found some canned pineapple which expired in 2014. Tastes fine, cans look good. We are eating it now. I found some canned evaporated milk that was leaking and was only expired by 1 year.
 

BornFree

Came This Far
It seems that the more expired soup is then the more it starts to taste like the can. Otherwise it seems keep for several years past expiration. One thing is for sure.... If you are hungry and it is all that you have.... Then you will be happy to eat it.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
still have some kraft cheese slices in the fridge from over 3 yrs ago

ate 1 yesterday

still fine

opened a can of tomatoe paste yesterday that was black and hard inside(but didn't stink)

it was 4 yrs old

canned fruits eat thru the can after a cpl yrs

store rice and elbow mac, beans etc, in 2ltr soda btls
 
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