adgal
Veteran Member
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INSANITY OH. MY. GAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - UPDATE/EXPLANATION, post 56
- Thread starter Dennis Olson
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adgal
Veteran Member
JF&P
Deceased
YUP....that is the source of dennis's ANGST!!!!
If this were my forum, I'd feel the exact same way.
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jward
passin' thru
Don't feel bad, I think i was here for most of it, and I still managed to miss most of it too!
Donald Shimoda
In Absentia
Howdy, Folks!
Well, shit.
- I'm on my meds
- I'm not acting; I AM losing my mind as my brain deteriorates a bit more each month
I can certainly step away for a while; thing is...I just got back.
[I actually will be stepping away for a while; it's that time of night when the issues really start to kick into high gear.]
Peace and Love,
Donald Shimoda
[PS: Does the name "Grimsby" do anything to you?]
Well, shit.
- I'm on my meds
- I'm not acting; I AM losing my mind as my brain deteriorates a bit more each month
I can certainly step away for a while; thing is...I just got back.
[I actually will be stepping away for a while; it's that time of night when the issues really start to kick into high gear.]
Peace and Love,
Donald Shimoda
[PS: Does the name "Grimsby" do anything to you?]
China Connection
TB Fanatic
Lazy maybe but stupid really?
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
I guess that I missed something, too. But I know that I called my local electric company's EMF hotline, like I have done several times before- since the "smart" meters were put in, and I complained. I asked them to PLEASE turn down the strength of the meters. I am not going to get into much detail here, but many of you know/remember that I am emf sensitive.
I am wondering if the order came down from the deep state/NWO to turn these things up in all AO's, not just mine...it is real bad around town. I can tell when they are turned up.
Causes people to fight, too, not just bad health symptoms/problems. The "pressure" is bad...prayer request, please.
Hopefully someone will start a thread on this...if discernment/circumstances tell you it is a current issue...thanks...for prayer, too.
I am wondering if the order came down from the deep state/NWO to turn these things up in all AO's, not just mine...it is real bad around town. I can tell when they are turned up.
Causes people to fight, too, not just bad health symptoms/problems. The "pressure" is bad...prayer request, please.
Hopefully someone will start a thread on this...if discernment/circumstances tell you it is a current issue...thanks...for prayer, too.
Turret Buster
Gruntpa
Melodi
Disaster Cat
ioujc
MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
Oh REALLY Dennis>>>>>you are ALL bent out of shape over a few posts by "Florida Man"!!
You KNOW it's TRUE we never went to the moon>>>>>only Alice did that when Jackie Gleason told her to!!
ALL of those pictures and stuff were filmed in the Arizona desert>>>>I KNOW it was!!
And they have been spraying INVERTED CHEM TRAILS>>>>that's why it's SO HOT!!
It's the government I tell you>>>and the aliens from Area 51 have taken over the Demon-RAT party!! I KNOW this because I am an alien myself and ……
Well, you get the idea.
You KNOW it's TRUE we never went to the moon>>>>>only Alice did that when Jackie Gleason told her to!!
ALL of those pictures and stuff were filmed in the Arizona desert>>>>I KNOW it was!!
And they have been spraying INVERTED CHEM TRAILS>>>>that's why it's SO HOT!!
It's the government I tell you>>>and the aliens from Area 51 have taken over the Demon-RAT party!! I KNOW this because I am an alien myself and ……
Well, you get the idea.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Okay, it appears that Dennis had Cheerios today. My question is who peed in them?
straightstreet
Life is better in flip flops
Okay, it's morning and I'm not so cranky. I'll elaborate.
TB2K started life as a Y2K news and personal preparation forum, in late 1997. (Actually, it started as a way for people to assist our founder Ed Yourdon with editing his book of the same name.) Anyway, initially there was very little woo on the forum; it was pretty much the "business" of prepping. I joined in early 1998 and made many friends here. I was pretty much a "low profile" member, until the "baby selling" incident.
A member who was prepping his family for Y2K by prepping a remote bugout location in an inhospitable climate, had a teen step-daughter who had recently had a baby (this was in late 1999). He posted that he wanted to put the baby up for adoption (my God, she's 20 years old now!!) with a "fully prepped family." Naturally, this was met with derision and hostility. After speaking to my wife, we messaged the person and told him that though we wouldn't adopt the child, the mother and child could stay with us until we knew how the rollover would go. He agreed to that, and the young mother, HER mother, and baby came to stay with us for the remainder of the pre-rollover period.
Anyway, once the arrangements were made, I got on the forum and told people of the deal, and that no adoption would be taking place. That didn't placate the haters, who called for the man to be arrested for human trafficking, and for DCS to take the baby away from the mother. After another week of that, I finally snapped and told them to STFU (you know me, right?) Remember that I didn't own the board at that time, and had no staff position. At that point, they went into a frenzy, calling me a baby-seller and all kinds of vile crap. Well, from that point on, my presence on the board was more, um, "controversial" shall we say?
Anyway, rollover came and went without major incident. Ed decided to take TB2K off of MIT's Greenspun servers and onto a different platform. He chose EZ-Board. All was well for about a year, and Ed announced his intent to close the forum forever. As I'm sure you can imagine, lots of folks were very upset about that, having made many cyberfriends, and didn't want to drift apart. We were given one week to prepare for the closure. I waited 6 days for someone to announce our new home, but no one did. On the last day, I opened a new EZ-Board forum, "appropriating" the look and feel of the current one (our current color scheme.) I posted the new address, and people joined up.
Allwas well for another year or so, when the .com bust threatened to close the doors of EZ-Board. Leska, a staff member of the original TB2K, had contacts with people in that company, and warned me that they were on their last legs, perhaps only a couple weeks from closing. I decided that we needed a dedicated server that WE OWNED, with software that WE OWNED, so that no one could "go out of business" and take our home with them down the eDrain. This was in May 2001. My cube-mate at the time did site hosting. I asked him to look around for a good used server. He found one for a few hundred bucks. I looked around on the Net for forum software that could handle high volumes of traffic. Ultimately I chose vBulletin.
I ran my first ever fundraiser (gag) after explaining what it was for. The money came in, and I bought the server and software. Jon set up up in his basement computer room and we ported over from EZ-Board to vBulletin, into this incarnation.
Anyway, that's the background, for those of you who might want to know. I'm an electronic engineer by training, and a software developer by trade. I have a very pragmatic mind, not prone to woo. That being said, over time, the forum moved from hard prepping to "other things". Then the woo started to creep in. Rather than banish woo (which a lot of folks actually enjoy talking about), we created sub-forums where they could discuss it to their heart's content, while Main stayed pretty much all news and information.
During the ensuing years, we've had huge fights over whether or not the forum should be morphed into a hard Christian forum (which I call the "religious wars, and was responsible for REL SIG), as well as in what direction in general the place should go. As a "prep" forum, there are only so many threads you can have about food, water, gasoline, homesteading, etc.At some point, the place is going to peter-out because it's all been said before. Since all my cyberfriends were here, I didn't want to close the doors, and after discussion with the staff and the membership, we all kinda let the place "free-float" to see where it would go. During this period, we began bannig those who couldn't maintain common decency on TB. They banded together and opened UB's, where they coalesced into a seething, hate-filled group dedicated to the destruction of TB and myself in particular. (Some of the original "baby seller" screamers were there, having never forgiven me for telling them to STFU.)
Anyway, we ended up being basically what it is today minus all the politics. The politics became dominant when the chocolate Messiah ran for King and was sElected. Ever since then, Main has been occupied by largely political discussion. I don't particularly care for it (I never cared for politics actually), but when 0bunghole came into power, it seemed the very life of the country was at stake, a situation that continues to this day. Thus we discuss and post political material. We also had a dustup with GLP over one staff member's suggestion that we open a "secret room" because UB's was pirating and cross-posting sensitive material from the Bomb Shelter.
Since many of the UB haters had (and still have) "sock" accounts here, we wanted to find a way where only those we knew and trusted implicitly could post in assurance of privacy. I was against that room (because of the "us vs. them" aspect, and hurt feelings would certainly ensue should the "secret" ever get out), but decided to give it a try. The secret DID get out in the end (as I knew it would), and there was a huge brouhaha over it. It died down after a couple months and many lost members, then GLP got ahold of it and stirred it all up again. That's why we don't allow GLP content on TB.
Anyway, now that ALL THAT has been said, I don't care for woo. At all. If I had my way, I'd banish it. BUT - as I said, lots of folks like it, so fine. But when we have people who believe that the Earth is flat, or that the NASA space program was a complete fraud, or that bugs have been weaponized by the DoD, well, that kind of stuff passes my tolerance limit.
I told billet that he/she could start a thread on the Apollo/space program "fraud". How it would be received or responded to by the membership was anyone's guess. But that thread kinda spun outta control, and then a couple others joined in, and I felt the need to rant. This thread was that rant.
Now you know some of the history, both of the forum and myself. If some of you absolutely, positively, have to post woo, please do it in the ALT or UNEX forum rooms. There are also websites dedicated almost entirely to woo: GLP and ATS. I counsel you to find them and post woo there.
Lastly, the problem with woo, is that in these "crazy years", one doesn't know what's woo and what's real. Further, things that start out as woo turn out to be real. It's crazy-making (no pun intended.) So the staff and I try to walk the line between being too harsh with woo, or not harsh enough. It's a damn tough line to walk, let me tell you. If anyone had told be in 2005 that we'd be where we are today as a nation and world, I'd have told them to their face they were nuts. But, here we are.
Absolutely insane...
/rant
/details
Thank you.
ETA: One last thing. The only reason I keep this place going is so we can hang out together. The TB "family" as it were. If it reaches the point where the hassle isn't worth it anymore, I'll either close the doors or hand the whole thing off to someone else. The problem is finding the right "someone else." Someone who'll keep the place going, but not be iron-fisted. Who has a sense of humor, and who doesn't take themselves too seriously. And who absolutely, positively, isn't a UB's "sock". Oh, and who isn't of very advanced age.
TB2K started life as a Y2K news and personal preparation forum, in late 1997. (Actually, it started as a way for people to assist our founder Ed Yourdon with editing his book of the same name.) Anyway, initially there was very little woo on the forum; it was pretty much the "business" of prepping. I joined in early 1998 and made many friends here. I was pretty much a "low profile" member, until the "baby selling" incident.
A member who was prepping his family for Y2K by prepping a remote bugout location in an inhospitable climate, had a teen step-daughter who had recently had a baby (this was in late 1999). He posted that he wanted to put the baby up for adoption (my God, she's 20 years old now!!) with a "fully prepped family." Naturally, this was met with derision and hostility. After speaking to my wife, we messaged the person and told him that though we wouldn't adopt the child, the mother and child could stay with us until we knew how the rollover would go. He agreed to that, and the young mother, HER mother, and baby came to stay with us for the remainder of the pre-rollover period.
Anyway, once the arrangements were made, I got on the forum and told people of the deal, and that no adoption would be taking place. That didn't placate the haters, who called for the man to be arrested for human trafficking, and for DCS to take the baby away from the mother. After another week of that, I finally snapped and told them to STFU (you know me, right?) Remember that I didn't own the board at that time, and had no staff position. At that point, they went into a frenzy, calling me a baby-seller and all kinds of vile crap. Well, from that point on, my presence on the board was more, um, "controversial" shall we say?
Anyway, rollover came and went without major incident. Ed decided to take TB2K off of MIT's Greenspun servers and onto a different platform. He chose EZ-Board. All was well for about a year, and Ed announced his intent to close the forum forever. As I'm sure you can imagine, lots of folks were very upset about that, having made many cyberfriends, and didn't want to drift apart. We were given one week to prepare for the closure. I waited 6 days for someone to announce our new home, but no one did. On the last day, I opened a new EZ-Board forum, "appropriating" the look and feel of the current one (our current color scheme.) I posted the new address, and people joined up.
Allwas well for another year or so, when the .com bust threatened to close the doors of EZ-Board. Leska, a staff member of the original TB2K, had contacts with people in that company, and warned me that they were on their last legs, perhaps only a couple weeks from closing. I decided that we needed a dedicated server that WE OWNED, with software that WE OWNED, so that no one could "go out of business" and take our home with them down the eDrain. This was in May 2001. My cube-mate at the time did site hosting. I asked him to look around for a good used server. He found one for a few hundred bucks. I looked around on the Net for forum software that could handle high volumes of traffic. Ultimately I chose vBulletin.
I ran my first ever fundraiser (gag) after explaining what it was for. The money came in, and I bought the server and software. Jon set up up in his basement computer room and we ported over from EZ-Board to vBulletin, into this incarnation.
Anyway, that's the background, for those of you who might want to know. I'm an electronic engineer by training, and a software developer by trade. I have a very pragmatic mind, not prone to woo. That being said, over time, the forum moved from hard prepping to "other things". Then the woo started to creep in. Rather than banish woo (which a lot of folks actually enjoy talking about), we created sub-forums where they could discuss it to their heart's content, while Main stayed pretty much all news and information.
During the ensuing years, we've had huge fights over whether or not the forum should be morphed into a hard Christian forum (which I call the "religious wars, and was responsible for REL SIG), as well as in what direction in general the place should go. As a "prep" forum, there are only so many threads you can have about food, water, gasoline, homesteading, etc.At some point, the place is going to peter-out because it's all been said before. Since all my cyberfriends were here, I didn't want to close the doors, and after discussion with the staff and the membership, we all kinda let the place "free-float" to see where it would go. During this period, we began bannig those who couldn't maintain common decency on TB. They banded together and opened UB's, where they coalesced into a seething, hate-filled group dedicated to the destruction of TB and myself in particular. (Some of the original "baby seller" screamers were there, having never forgiven me for telling them to STFU.)
Anyway, we ended up being basically what it is today minus all the politics. The politics became dominant when the chocolate Messiah ran for King and was sElected. Ever since then, Main has been occupied by largely political discussion. I don't particularly care for it (I never cared for politics actually), but when 0bunghole came into power, it seemed the very life of the country was at stake, a situation that continues to this day. Thus we discuss and post political material. We also had a dustup with GLP over one staff member's suggestion that we open a "secret room" because UB's was pirating and cross-posting sensitive material from the Bomb Shelter.
Since many of the UB haters had (and still have) "sock" accounts here, we wanted to find a way where only those we knew and trusted implicitly could post in assurance of privacy. I was against that room (because of the "us vs. them" aspect, and hurt feelings would certainly ensue should the "secret" ever get out), but decided to give it a try. The secret DID get out in the end (as I knew it would), and there was a huge brouhaha over it. It died down after a couple months and many lost members, then GLP got ahold of it and stirred it all up again. That's why we don't allow GLP content on TB.
Anyway, now that ALL THAT has been said, I don't care for woo. At all. If I had my way, I'd banish it. BUT - as I said, lots of folks like it, so fine. But when we have people who believe that the Earth is flat, or that the NASA space program was a complete fraud, or that bugs have been weaponized by the DoD, well, that kind of stuff passes my tolerance limit.
I told billet that he/she could start a thread on the Apollo/space program "fraud". How it would be received or responded to by the membership was anyone's guess. But that thread kinda spun outta control, and then a couple others joined in, and I felt the need to rant. This thread was that rant.
Now you know some of the history, both of the forum and myself. If some of you absolutely, positively, have to post woo, please do it in the ALT or UNEX forum rooms. There are also websites dedicated almost entirely to woo: GLP and ATS. I counsel you to find them and post woo there.
Lastly, the problem with woo, is that in these "crazy years", one doesn't know what's woo and what's real. Further, things that start out as woo turn out to be real. It's crazy-making (no pun intended.) So the staff and I try to walk the line between being too harsh with woo, or not harsh enough. It's a damn tough line to walk, let me tell you. If anyone had told be in 2005 that we'd be where we are today as a nation and world, I'd have told them to their face they were nuts. But, here we are.
Absolutely insane...
/rant
/details
Thank you.
ETA: One last thing. The only reason I keep this place going is so we can hang out together. The TB "family" as it were. If it reaches the point where the hassle isn't worth it anymore, I'll either close the doors or hand the whole thing off to someone else. The problem is finding the right "someone else." Someone who'll keep the place going, but not be iron-fisted. Who has a sense of humor, and who doesn't take themselves too seriously. And who absolutely, positively, isn't a UB's "sock". Oh, and who isn't of very advanced age.
Martinhouse
Deceased
Thanks, Dennis. Since I joined pretty much after most of that, I appreciate the explanation.
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hey, I don't wanna start any new woo, but if you look carefully at that Moon landing clip you can clearly see that it's Dennis in the spacesuit. Also, there's an obvious flat Earth in the background! Sheesh. Some people refuse to see what's in front of their nose...
Best
Doc
Best
Doc
adgal
Veteran Member
Good to see you on the forum!! Howdy back atcha!
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
I used to write for a couple of mid-scale tech blogs before Google destroyed them.
I used to especially hate my job around April 1, because it wasn't always clear what was actual news and what was people having a poorly-designated laugh. That's what news is like these days; who KNOWS what's "woo" any more and just what sounds too woo to be believed?
And yes...it HAS kind of seemed like the US has been in a lot of danger since about 2008, hasn't it? Some might say that danger goes back to 2001 or earlier, but it's sure become clear since 2008.
I used to especially hate my job around April 1, because it wasn't always clear what was actual news and what was people having a poorly-designated laugh. That's what news is like these days; who KNOWS what's "woo" any more and just what sounds too woo to be believed?
And yes...it HAS kind of seemed like the US has been in a lot of danger since about 2008, hasn't it? Some might say that danger goes back to 2001 or earlier, but it's sure become clear since 2008.
adgal
Veteran Member
Thank you for providing this safe place where we can come, be with friends, talk about crazy stuff and, most importantly, help each other make it in this crazy world! My world would be totally different without TB2K.
adgal
Veteran Member
Thank you so much - this is beautiful!!!
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Newsweek and other supposedly reputable news outlets are running the story on the weaponized deer ticks. just saying.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Isn't this called a disinformation campaign? The whole racism thing is really irking me these days. Most of the people screaming racism have never actually experienced or witnessed racism, it's just a tool that they use to get their way.
One little addendum to the "religious wars" section:
During that period, militant fundamentalist Christians were engaging in bullying, not only of non-Christians, but of Christians who didn't believe EXACTLY as they did. This bullying was intense. Most of you know that I view my faith differently than many. I understand that we're all on a very personal journey of discovery and exercise of our free agency. That's why I never really discuss religion in depth, nor do I proselytize to others. We are each one responsible for our own actions when we stand before God, not for anyone else's. It's far above my pay grade to tell others what to believe.
And no, this post IS NOT an invitation to spin this thread off into religious discussion.
During that period, militant fundamentalist Christians were engaging in bullying, not only of non-Christians, but of Christians who didn't believe EXACTLY as they did. This bullying was intense. Most of you know that I view my faith differently than many. I understand that we're all on a very personal journey of discovery and exercise of our free agency. That's why I never really discuss religion in depth, nor do I proselytize to others. We are each one responsible for our own actions when we stand before God, not for anyone else's. It's far above my pay grade to tell others what to believe.
And no, this post IS NOT an invitation to spin this thread off into religious discussion.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's just something that only sounds believable, but turns out to be woo. Sometimes it sounds like woo but it isn't. It has to be deliberate to be disinformation, though.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
But Dennis.....what if EVERYTHING is woo?
Bumper sticker on the car of one of Owner's customers.
"What if the Hokey-Pokey IS what it's all about?"
Dobbin
sssarawolf
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Many of us who have been around since 1999 have seen the transitions. I was just a lurker back in those days and a few yrs after but always found many things in common with folks here. Even the times of out and out hostility some have had for one another has smoothed over when needed. Some I just roll my eyes at or giggle some. But always thank you Dennis and of you who work hard at keeping this site open.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Personally, I look at all news services as WOO until proven otherwise. I've been at too many "events" that I later read about or saw in the media that were TOTALLY DISTORTED almost beyond recognition even though I happened to be a direct witness to what happened or was immediately there after something happened and spoke directly to first hand witnesses.
IT'S ALL SPIN these days. And that is nothing new. Our history is totally spun. To find the actual truth to what happened, if that's even possible, takes a huge amount of digging.
Eventually the truth does come out but usually long after everyone has forgotten about anything happening at all. Weird I know, but that's the way the world works.
Winners write the history. Politician's write the truth and EVERYTHING is tainted.
IT'S ALL SPIN these days. And that is nothing new. Our history is totally spun. To find the actual truth to what happened, if that's even possible, takes a huge amount of digging.
Eventually the truth does come out but usually long after everyone has forgotten about anything happening at all. Weird I know, but that's the way the world works.
Winners write the history. Politician's write the truth and EVERYTHING is tainted.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Thanks, NAVAN really does record both Irish (Gaelic) and Bretton (Galic) chanting (as well as songs in Scots, Welsh and even English) they are what I put on when I want to be calm or mediate (or sleep in the airplane).
almost ready
Inactive
That may be the single sanest thing I've ever read on TB2K.
That idea has occurred to me, as well. That's a bit unnerving.
adgal
Veteran Member
I'm going to have to add them to my "listening while writing list" - they sound perfect for Irish Fantasy stories.
A lot of us have gone through the multiple transitions of many forums. I'm sure many of us remember what happened at Squirrely Central (not the forums real name but became its real persona). People mean well most of the time. On the other hand the buck has to stop on someone's desk and TB2K, for all of its occasionally strangeness, has been more successful than most at keeping the big picture in mind and the emoting mostly under control without squeezing the life out of people. It does get old with people pulling them I'm-taking-my-ball-and-going-home fits but then again you get them all over in life, not just the internet.
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byronandkathy2003
Veteran Member
i think it is OK to say what you believe but not OK to tell others what they should believe or should not believe in my opinion..
A good synopsis for the new folks.
I also recommend that everyone poke around in the old posts, it gives some perspective on how we got here.
I also recommend that everyone poke around in the old posts, it gives some perspective on how we got here.