Obama’s Answer to Drilling Debate: Inflate Your Tires

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Oilpatch Hand

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blueridge

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"...inflate your tires..."


The dude's got a truly dark sense of humor.


NO-Bama in '08

Hope for a Change & that "Dewey Wins"....
 
nanna

nanna

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Actually, if people would keep their tires at a good pressure, consistently, they would save a lot of gas.

nanna/just sayin'
 
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hawkeye

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Inflate Your Car's Tires


By keeping your vehicle’s tires inflated to the proper pressure, you will be increasing your fuel economy and extending the life of your rubber, which means more cash in your pocket and more hope for polar bears.

It may not sound like a lot, but for every three pounds that your tires are below their recommended pressure, your fuel economy drops one percent, reports the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy. Add that up for a nation of deflated rubber, and you can see that we’re blowing money out our, um, tailpipes.

The science behind the savings is called “rolling resistance,” which is a measure of how easily the tire rolls down the road, while minimizing energy wasted as heat. Flabby tires have higher rolling resistance, which wastes more fuel. Some tire manufacturers even market models designed to minimize rolling resistance.

http://www.thedailygreen.com/print-this/going-green/tips/gas-mileage-inflate-tires

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From Report of the General Accounting Office,, 2007

More than a quarter of automobiles and about a third of light trucks (including sport utility vehicles, vans, and pickup trucks) on the roadways of the United States have one or more tires underinflated 8 pounds per square inch (psi) or more below the level recommended by the vehicle manufacturer, according to a report by the Department of Transportation’s (DOT) National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).


The Department of Energy’s designated economist on this issue indicated that, of the 130 billion gallons of fuel that the Transportation Research Board (TRB) estimated were used in passenger cars and light trucks in 2005, about 1.2 billion gallons were wasted as a result of driving on underinflated tires.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07246r.pdf
 
MaureenO

MaureenO

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Why is it that so many people think the only use for petroleum is for fuel????

They are willing to ride their bikes--what about all that rubber that goes to make the tires?

How about all that Tupperware we use? Saran Wrap? The polyester in clothes? Zip-loc bags? The soles of our tennis shoes? Vehicle tires, hair barrettes, barber shear casings, aprons, rubber gloves, garden hoses, shampoo bottles, all plastic goods.....

There is an almost endless list here......

Maureen :dstrs:
 
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ceeblue

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MaureenO said:
Why is it that so many people think the only use for petroleum is for fuel????

They are willing to ride their bikes--what about all that rubber that goes to make the tires?

How about all that Tupperware we use? Saran Wrap? The polyester in clothes? Zip-loc bags? The soles of our tennis shoes? Vehicle tires, hair barrettes, barber shear casings, aprons, rubber gloves, garden hoses, shampoo bottles, all plastic goods.....

There is an almost endless list here......

Maureen :dstrs:
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Who Cares! Most of that stuff is made in China anyway.
 
Cruiser

Cruiser

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Take a politicians speech writer away and the true person comes out... We are sooooo screwed!!!:shkr:
 
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Oilpatch Hand

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hawkeye said:
The Department of Energy’s designated economist on this issue indicated that, of the 130 billion gallons of fuel that the Transportation Research Board (TRB) estimated were used in passenger cars and light trucks in 2005, about 1.2 billion gallons were wasted as a result of driving on underinflated tires.
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So...less than 1% wasted, then. That's good and bad.

Good for us, because it means that we are preventing waste as to 99.1% of total fuel consumption.

Bad for Obama, because it reveals he hasn't the first clue what he's talking about. :lol:
 
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Hokey

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Obama is well...sorta right.

So what if they opened up drilling off the coast and in ANWAR? Sure, from a speculation point of view the price of crude would react and drop over a very short term. Once the analysts woke up and found out that offshore drilling is no easy task, will take a long time, is expensive and there's still no guarantees you'd even find anything economic!....something on CNN last evening I was watching indicated if ANWAR was opened up it would increase American supply to itself by only 2% by 2020. Big whoop!

Sure, every lit bit counts but its not gonna drop prices and bring you back to 25$ barrel oil folks! Learning to live with less is the key. Obama's message leans toward that I think - I cannot really say if he really understands peak oil and the consequences but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
et2

et2

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nanna said:
Actually, if people would keep their tires at a good pressure, consistently, they would save a lot of gas.

nanna/just sayin'
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The USA has used less gas two years in a row ... yet prices still increase. Maybe we should sell our cars & trucks to please Obamablowhard. Maybe that would help. He's bought into the greenies when it comes to getting our own oil out of the ground. Typical ...

God help us ..... :wvflg:
 
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Usually Curious

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We should have our tires inflated, but that's really beside the point. Inflating your tires is not going to make up for peak oil, rabid capitalist oil corporations or greedy MEers.
 
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ceeblue

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MaureenO said:
It doesn't make a damn bit of difference where's it's made, it depletes the supply anyway.

Maureen
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Bull. There's plenty of oil. The supply replenishes. There are fields all over the world that haven't even been tapped yet. The industry is a little old grannie giving the children one piece of candy at a time so they will behave.

China has plenty of refining capacity. Without all the exact figures, I'd still think our industrial use of oil just has to be way down. We're not making near as much stuff. Think about it. Where are our steel mills? Where are our television factories? Where are our telephone factories. You go to the dollar store and buy a little piece of crap made in China that's still cheaper to ship over here and sell than it is to make it here.

I will not apologize for the air I breath, the food, the water, electricity, natural gas, plastics, etc. etc. etc. I am not sorry I'm here on the earth and using its resources. The resources are here to serve me. I refuse to be sorry for taking what I need. That whole spiel is crap. The whole environmental movement can take a hit for this one. That's why we don't drill and refine, why we don't build power plants, why it costs so much to keep and drive a vehicle. Between taxation, fees, permits, licenses, mandated insurance, tickets, fines, codes and the gaia whiners and earth worshipers, we don't have a chance.

The only ones I've seen use less resources than I do are those who have taken a vow of poverty or are just plain dirt poor. I won't take crap from anyone who wastes resources growing useless crops.
 
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metro_citizen

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Inflate my tires with what? Carbon credits?

No thanks, I'll help everyone out by driving directly on my rims. You'll see me coming. ;)
 
Kris Gandillon

Kris Gandillon

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"Bull. There's plenty of oil. The supply replenishes." ceeblue

Would you please come explain that to my oil wells? All they have done is slowly run dry over the last 60 years. I really need them to get with the program and start replenishing...SOON!

Kris
 
MaureenO

MaureenO

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ceeblue said:
Bull. There's plenty of oil. The supply replenishes. There are fields all over the world that haven't even been tapped yet.
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That wasn't my point if you will re-read my post. My point was that fuel is not the ONLY reason for our dependency on petroleum products. Many other products rely the petroleum based "active ingredients." not just fuel.


Maureen :dstrs:
 
Wardogs

Wardogs

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MaureenO said:
That wasn't my point if you will re-read my post. My point was that fuel is not the ONLY reason for our dependency on petroleum products. Many other products rely the petroleum based "active ingredients." not just fuel.


Maureen :dstrs:
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Plus, regardless of supply, every use of that supply diminishes it...
wardogs
 
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Richard

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these arguments along the basis of,
if everyone drove 10 miles less per week, if everyone turned down their central heating by 1 degree, if everyone had their car serviced on time, if everyone kept their tyres at the correct pressure (presume thats what he means), if everyone wasted 5% less food, if everyone had loft insulation, if everyone had double glazing, if everyone had an A rated washing machine etc etc
are completely spurious
 
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Richard

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Inflate my tires with what? Carbon credits?


no CO2, this would be a good way of disposing of CO2 or at least keeping it out of the atmosphere :lkick:

yes thats it fill every tyre with CO2, thats the answer, if everyone filled their car tyres with CO2 then we would solve global warming, please let Obama know

no CO2 is one of the most harmless gases present in minute quantities, essential for life, its far more important to remove toxic chemicals from the atmosphere
 
et2

et2

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And I'm sure one of the first acts Obama will do "if" elected will be to pass legislation that all government vehicles are properly "aired up" thermostats dropped down ... lights turned off ... purchase more fuel effecient vehicles ... less time flying our government officials around the country ... etc. But it's you ... the consumer who must step up to the plate. Accountability is with you. :kk2:
 
rafter

rafter

Since 1999
ceeblue said:
Bull. There's plenty of oil. The supply replenishes. There are fields all over the world that haven't even been tapped yet. The industry is a little old grannie giving the children one piece of candy at a time so they will behave.

China has plenty of refining capacity. Without all the exact figures, I'd still think our industrial use of oil just has to be way down. We're not making near as much stuff. Think about it. Where are our steel mills? Where are our television factories? Where are our telephone factories. You go to the dollar store and buy a little piece of crap made in China that's still cheaper to ship over here and sell than it is to make it here.

I will not apologize for the air I breath, the food, the water, electricity, natural gas, plastics, etc. etc. etc. I am not sorry I'm here on the earth and using its resources. The resources are here to serve me. I refuse to be sorry for taking what I need. That whole spiel is crap. The whole environmental movement can take a hit for this one. That's why we don't drill and refine, why we don't build power plants, why it costs so much to keep and drive a vehicle. Between taxation, fees, permits, licenses, mandated insurance, tickets, fines, codes and the gaia whiners and earth worshipers, we don't have a chance.

The only ones I've seen use less resources than I do are those who have taken a vow of poverty or are just plain dirt poor. I won't take crap from anyone who wastes resources growing useless crops.
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You're kidding, right? :rolleyes:
 
BertaBurtonLake

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ceeblue said:
Bull. There's plenty of oil. The supply replenishes. There are fields all over the world that haven't even been tapped yet. The industry is a little old grannie giving the children one piece of candy at a time so they will behave.

China has plenty of refining capacity. Without all the exact figures, I'd still think our industrial use of oil just has to be way down. We're not making near as much stuff. Think about it. Where are our steel mills? Where are our television factories? Where are our telephone factories. You go to the dollar store and buy a little piece of crap made in China that's still cheaper to ship over here and sell than it is to make it here.

I will not apologize for the air I breath, the food, the water, electricity, natural gas, plastics, etc. etc. etc. I am not sorry I'm here on the earth and using its resources. The resources are here to serve me. I refuse to be sorry for taking what I need. That whole spiel is crap. The whole environmental movement can take a hit for this one. That's why we don't drill and refine, why we don't build power plants, why it costs so much to keep and drive a vehicle. Between taxation, fees, permits, licenses, mandated insurance, tickets, fines, codes and the gaia whiners and earth worshipers, we don't have a chance.

The only ones I've seen use less resources than I do are those who have taken a vow of poverty or are just plain dirt poor. I won't take crap from anyone who wastes resources growing useless crops.
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Of course the supply replenishes, CeeBee. All you have to do is kill a few hundred dinosaurs, bury them and wait several million years. How silly of everyone not to know that.

Berta
 
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Richard

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BertaBurtonLake said:
Of course the supply replenishes, CeeBee. All you have to do is kill a few hundred dinosaurs, bury them and wait several million years. How silly of everyone not to know that.

Berta
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I always wondered how the Earth millions of years ago could have supported such a large dino population considering how much they eat, they must have laid waste to vast acres of vegetation but it must have replenished itself, this went on for 200 million years, humans consume far less than the average dino
 
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ceeblue

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BertaBurtonLake said:
Of course the supply replenishes, CeeBee. All you have to do is kill a few hundred dinosaurs, bury them and wait several million years. How silly of everyone not to know that.

Berta
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Oh, no, no, no, Berta. I'm not CeeBee. I'm ceeblue. There's a big difference. I'm sure CeeBee wouldn't want to be painted with my brush.

If oil comes from dinosaurs, why don't we find any oil around bone fields? Except for the La Brea tar pits. There's plenty of oil in the world. It's the politics and power plays that get in the way.

Kris, you have an oil well? I'm jealous.

rafter, I'm not kidding. I don't use enough resources to keep a normal person alive and got tired of being whined at years ago when Carter told us to put on a sweater. If I remember right, I cursed him with arthritis. Instead of whining at people for using too much, let's teach them how to produce. Let's put solar panels on all new construction. Let's bring back windmills. Every backyard could have a little windmill feeding into the grid. Every roof could have an affordable solar panel feeding into the grid. Let's bring back cisterns. That water could be used for watering, washing cars, watering animals and birds, etc. Let's put regulators on car wash hoses. Let's quit watering useless grass and put gravel over unused dirt around houses. Instead of whining at everyone about what not to do, let's give them something to do.
 
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Hokey

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It's a myth that organics for petroleum come from dinosaurs. Its simply not possible.

Petroleum is derived from organic sediments mostly from the Dinosaur age yes, but not from the animals themselves (which would be a very small part - its partly true but not at the scale people think). These organic rich sediments collect in basins and accumulate in great mass to be overlain buried, compressed and heated. Depending on a number of factors you get a range of possible hydrocarbon of which the more mobile are natural gas and crude which then can accumulate in hydrocarbon traps in the surrounding geology.

Just a bit of petroleum geology 101 there.

So yes CeeBlue, its quite often the case that old wells will seemingly re-accumulate oil but this is oil that was left place or not recoverable at the time of pumping. Over time when a field is left dormant things repressurize or equalize and you can get this happening. There's still the same amount of hydrocarbon reserve in the ground - it hasn't been created. I think you find that when these wells are put back into production they generally can only produce at a decreased pumping rate and will decline quicker.

So old wells are not the answer to our supply problems.
 
TIK

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But yet again, the Peak Oil advocates will poo-poo the dissenting yet scientific theories that oil DOES get produced by deep earth geological processes that we don't understand completely, and thusly, there is a resupply issue (although Hokey--what you just posted is something I haven't read before I don't believe). In any event, the POLITICS and MONEY issue of oil is an interesting and compelling argument ceeblue brings up. Like a granny passing out candy...

I just have a hard time understanding how a planet as massive as ours has been completely and inarguably "scoped out" and that there are no more "financially feasible" areas to go get new oil supplies. That can't possibly be true. And when I see another country--one that can be considered in some ways hostile to us--able to drill off our coast close to Cuba, I wonder just what the hell is REALLY going on.

I know this thread isn't about oil production specifically, and it's about air tire inflation and the seemingly non-reality based comment that Obama made, but the bigger picture is quite telling.

I think we're being lied to in multiple ways--by the Peak Oil people, by the resupply people, by the politicians and by the arm-chair quarterbacks.

What is the truth?
 
Thunderbird

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Hokey said:
Obama is well...sorta right.

So what if they opened up drilling off the coast and in ANWAR? Sure, from a speculation point of view the price of crude would react and drop over a very short term. Once the analysts woke up and found out that offshore drilling is no easy task, will take a long time, is expensive and there's still no guarantees you'd even find anything economic!....something on CNN last evening I was watching indicated if ANWAR was opened up it would increase American supply to itself by only 2% by 2020. Big whoop!

Sure, every lit bit counts but its not gonna drop prices and bring you back to 25$ barrel oil folks! Learning to live with less is the key. Obama's message leans toward that I think - I cannot really say if he really understands peak oil and the consequences but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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And you believe CNN? surely it will help as much as taping into the stratigic reserve. Oil Cos know EXACTLY what problems are involved with ofshore drilling and gettin oil out of ANWAR. Been drilling ofshore for how many years??????? Remember the Alaskan Pipe line?????????

The dinosaur theory went out years ago. There is plenty of oil, many games being played.
Why should we be the only ones to conserve?? Rising demand by China, India and a dozen + countries is being blamed for the increase in cost. We can conserve a bunch but not enough to solve the problem. Any one for the 1860's
 
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Hokey

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Thunderbird said:
And you believe CNN? surely it will help as much as taping into the stratigic reserve. Oil Cos know EXACTLY what problems are involved with ofshore drilling and gettin oil out of ANWAR. Been drilling ofshore for how many years??????? Remember the Alaskan Pipe line?????????
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Don't take me for some kind of maroon....I'm knowledgeable of the business.

..and no, I don't believe 90% of what I hear from CNN or any news media. If you've had the experience I've had with 'reporters' you'd know what I meant.

I believe the guy they were interviewing was from the US dept of Energy - can't remember rightly but he was in authority to know.

Yes, the oil and gas industry now uses impressive technology and can do wonderful things to reach and extract hydrocarbon. But....the RATE of hydrocarbon production from ANWAR,and likely offshore WHEN OR IF they go into production will NOT BE ENOUGH to be significant! It is NOT the answer and will NOT return crude down to $25 a barrel - reality check here.

And quite frankly, its very difficult to secure rigs and qualified personnel these days to do exploration drilling. And please realize that just because there's some rough idea from some geologist that there may be X amount of petroleum off shore US that someone will actually find it. The estimated X amount is based on very limited data.
 
Fisher

Fisher

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Oilpatch Hand said:
So...less than 1% wasted, then. That's good and bad.

Good for us, because it means that we are preventing waste as to 99.1% of total fuel consumption.

Bad for Obama, because it reveals he hasn't the first clue what he's talking about. :lol:
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