CRIME NY governor confiscating upstate NY hospital ventilators for NYC (middle of night using Nat Guard)

[MinnesotaSmith]

National Steel Unification Act, here we come.

NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo orders National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate hospitals (#UpstateLivesMatter)

Cuomo calls this "sharing," but the mostly Republican and rural upstate region has a bitter history with Cuomo leaving deep suspicion, as Cuomo's plan would leave upstate hospitals with no excess capacity as the virus epicenter spreads out from NYC.

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NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo orders National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate hospitals

Posted by William A. Jacobson Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 4:00pm
Cuomo calls this “sharing,” but the mostly Republican and rural upstate region has a bitter history with Cuomo leaving deep suspicion, as Cuomo’s plan would leave upstate hospitals with no excess capacity as the virus epicenter spreads out from NYC.

If you don’t live in upstate NY, you may not realize how horrible a Governor Andrew Cuomo is.
Upstate, a huge region north and west of New York City, is Republican territory, and has been in revolt against Cuomo’s outrageous gun control SAFE Act for years. Almost every upstate county has, in an ultimately futile but symbolic act, rejected the SAFE Act.



Cuomo also banned fracking, which has left upstate stuck in economic decline as nearby Pennsylvania counties thrived. Upstate is shedding population and jobs, while downstate NYC and surroundings receives state government’s attention and majority of votes.
Radio host Bob Landsberry thinks the upstate (Republican) decline is part of Cuomo’s plan, Falling NY Population Is Part Of Cuomo’s Plan:

The undeniable goal of Andrew Cuomo and the Democratic Party is the political and social cleansing of a vast rural population which is culturally and philosophically different from its progressive New York City masters. The people who are moving out of New York are the people Andrew Cuomo doesn’t want, and their departures year after year are merely the falling dominoes of his tightening grip around the neck of a people he hates.

When Andrew Cuomo said there was no place in New York for those with whom he disagrees – the “extreme conservatives” with their Christianity and their Second Amendment – it was the statement of a policy. It was the declaration of an objective. It was a decree.
It was a verbalization of the war against the culture and people of rural upstate New York which has defined the Cuomo administration….
By denying upstate New York of the prosperity and tax revenues of hydrofracking for natural gas, he has made the Southern Tier counties among the very poorest in America. By imposing both mandates and tax caps, he has nearly bankrupted the municipalities and schools of upstate, and denied their elected leaders any true role in local governance. He is pushing hard to consolidate and eliminate rural, local municipalities, denying upstaters even the pretense of self-government.
He has attacked the rural culture of upstate with gun bans in his Safe Act, harassed the faith of many with his disallowing of religious exemptions in vaccination mandates, and imposed a progressive political regime on scores of counties where it is anathema.
He has dumped New York City’s trash in upstate’s pristine Finger Lakes region, and disfigured rural hills and fields with grotesque “green energy” projects that rape the upstate countryside to assuage the downstate conscience.

Cuomo’s “green” agenda continues to run roughshod over rural communities, Andrew Cuomo’s bid to ram industrial wind, solar plants down locals’ throats:

This clash has been a long time coming. Since 2014, the governor has waged war against hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, the technology that has unleashed an energy renaissance of jobs and cheap natural gas. Last year, Cuomo pushed even further with his green agenda. Under the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act, passed and signed last year, the state must obtain 70 percent of its electricity from green sources by 2030 and 100 percent by 2040. And by 2050, the state must achieve “net-zero” emissions for everything — electricity, motor vehicles, industry, you name it.
Those are daunting benchmarks. Replacing all of the non-electric fossil-fuel use with wind and solar power will be a Herculean task, not only in terms of the rate at which those renewable resources will have to be developed, but also the amount of land it will require. Hence, this battle with localities.
Upstate New York already is home to most of the existing and proposed wind and solar development — and opposition to that development. Many upstaters are unhappy about the impact that 500- to 650-foot-tall wind turbines and hundreds of acres of solar panels will have on their communities….
Cuomo intends to crush local, home-rule-based opposition. Under the guise of the state’s budgeting process, he intends to declare an “emergency” that will allow him to revamp the process for approving green-energy projects. To wit, the projects are to be fast-tracked, with no regard for local opinion. The state will also acquire needed land, build the necessary infrastructure, including transmission lines, and hand it all over to developers.

It’s no coincidence that Republican congressional candidates do well in upstate districts, particularly Tom Reed in NY-23 and Elise Stefanik in NY-21, who are national party leaders.
It is these bitter suspicions of Cuomo that have been brought to the surface with Cuomo’s announcement that the state has ordered the National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate NY hospitals for use downstate:

The governor announced an executive order Friday directing the National Guard to take unused ventilators and personal protective equipment from Upstate hospitals and businesses and deliver them to the New York City region.
“I don’t have an option and I’m not going to get into a situation where we know we are running out of ventilators and we could have people dying because there are no ventilators but there are hospitals in other parts of the state that have ventilators that they are not using,” he said.
Almost immediately after the governor announced his plan to divert ventilators downstate, Erie County Legislature Minority Leader Joe Lorigo, C, got on the phone with the county attorney to discuss how to block the executive order.
“I as a county legislator have a duty and a responsibility to represent residents in Erie County,” he said. “Allowing our medical equipment to go somewhere else and leaving us completely exposed would be irresponsible.”
Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz, D, said in speaking with the governor’s office and the hospitals, it’s his understanding there are no available ventilators to take from Erie County.
“There is not a single person who’s going to have a ventilator taken away in Erie County to send downstate,” Poloncarz said.
State lawmakers also criticized the plan with a number of Republicans, sending a letter to the governor calling on him to reconsider. Democratic Assemblywoman Monica Wallace said she also expressed her concerns to Cuomo’s office.

Cuomo reportedly also plans to use military helicopters to seize the ventilators:

Elise Stefanik

✔@EliseStefanik
https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1246283588653457409

#NY21 constituents concerned that Upstate’s ventilators could be seized in the dark of night knowing that it would be an absurd abuse of power & further fan the flames of fear & uncertainty.

Not even in their worst nightmares did they dare imagine Black Hawks & Chinooks.

https://twitter.com/tipmahoney/status/1246279092514754560 …
Joe Mahoney@TipMahoney

EXCLU angle on NY ventilator/COVID19 story -- Plans are being mapped to use military UH-60 BlackHawk and CH-47 Chinook helicopters to move supplies from upstate hospitals to NYC area, now swamped with virus patients -- @EMPIREREPORTNY (story link shortly...) This is the BlackHawk


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Cuomo is not taking all the ventilators from upstate, reportedly he’s only taking 20%, but some hospitals upstate in rural areas already have only a handful to start.

Some local context: Adirondack Medical Center in Saranac Lake has 8 ventilators total. Elizabethtown Community Hospital has 2.

Cuomo, implicitly comparing himself to FDR, says he’ll only be borrowing the ventilators and will return them when NYC no longer needs them.

Andrew Cuomo

✔@NYGovCuomo
https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1246461846049169408

"Suppose my neighbor's home catches fire & I have a length of garden hose. If he can take my garden hose, I may help him put out his fire. I don't say to him 'Neighbor, you have to pay me $15 for it.' I don't want $15. I want my garden hose back after the fire is over." ⁠⁠-FDR

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That’s a dodge — what if small upstate hospitals need them soon, will Cuomo pull them from downstate hospitals? Those downstate hospitals don’t need them NOW, the worry is that they will need them in the future.
Upstate hospitals don’t have a lot of excess ventilator capacity, so Cuomo’s plan is dangerous even in large upstate cities like Buffalo:

Upstate hospital executives and elected officials said it would be unacceptable to dispatch National Guard troops to pick up ventilators, masks and gowns from hospitals in areas not yet hard-hit by the spread of Covid-19 and deliver them to New York City….
At his regular briefing on the pandemic, Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz on Friday said he had spoken to the leaders at all the local hospitals and could not find any ventilators that are not in use. He said he had shared that information with the governor’s staff.
“There’s not going to be any movement of ventilators from Erie County,” he said, adding: “There is not a single person who is going to have a ventilator taken away.” …
Kaleida Health, Catholic Health, Erie County Medical Center and two smaller hospitals in Niagara County last month reported having a total of 363 ventilators, although the two large hospital systems said they were expanding their ventilator capacity.
Hospital officials on Friday did not immediately say how many ventilators are in use by patients and how many are available. However, Poloncarz said as of Thursday evening, 179 people were hospitalized in Erie County because of Covid-19, including 90 in ICUs, with 79 of them getting “airway assistance,” including ventilators.
Kaleida Health, the region’s largest hospital system, said it learned of the action as Cuomo was speaking Friday.
“Today I stand shoulder to shoulder with our physicians, nurses and staff to oppose this executive order that is designed to pit upstate versus downstate,” Kaleida Health CEO Jody L. Lomeo said in a statement. “In a time of crisis, we do not have the luxury of spending time on public fights and mandates like this. Instead, I would welcome and encourage us all to develop a more collaborative plan that doesn’t jeopardize lives and result in further chaos and panic.”

Republican politicians have led the charge opposing Cuomo’s plan, joined by some Democrats like Rep. Brian Higgins:

Tom Reed

✔@RepTomReed
https://twitter.com/RepTomReed/status/1246109500555300866

We have been watching the situation in New York City and we have an increase in cases, hospitalizations and deaths in other parts of New York. Taking our ventilators by force leaves people without protection and hospitals unable to save lives today or respond to a coming surge.

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Tom Reed

✔@RepTomReed
https://twitter.com/RepTomReed/status/1246109768781123585

We stand together opposing the Governor's very dangerous and reckless action of taking our ventilators. He is leaving our communities in a terrible position which will cost lives.

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Elise Stefanik

✔@EliseStefanik
https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1246184083702644741

“A reimbursement?”

A reimbursement for Upstate? Is that what you think an acceptable response is?

In the same sentence highlighting ventilators save lives, the State will send them back or “A REIMBURSEMENT”
We want to make sure that Upstate has lifesaving PPE, vents, & tests https://twitter.com/morganfmckay/status/1246166051655766017 …
Morgan Mckay@morganfmckay

Governor Cuomo's senior advisor Rich Azzopardi responds to lawmakers' criticism to ventilators being moved from upstate to downstate hospitals.


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[MinnesotaSmith]

Rest of it:

Elise Stefanik

✔@EliseStefanik
https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1246412053637746688

THIS is why I oppose the Executive Order. #NY21 communities cannot support the transfer of ventilators and also our region’s dire healthcare needs.

Most impt local context by far from a #NY21 reporter

@izzo_elizabeth https://twitter.com/izzo_elizabeth/status/1246410153018171392 …
Elizabeth Izzo@izzo_elizabeth

Some local context: Adirondack Medical Center in Saranac Lake has 8 ventilators total. Elizabethtown Community Hospital has 2. https://twitter.com/nickreisman/status/1246389151508967424 …

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Elise Stefanik

✔@EliseStefanik
https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1246179999381704715

Was just on call w/ #NY21 hospitals who were told it would only be 10 %. Now it’s 20%?! This is unacceptable.

Need to meet our unique Upstate needs: seniors, prisons, less access to testing supplies! & downstaters coming up seeking care which #Ny21 hospitals have provided. https://twitter.com/morganfmckay/status/1246166051655766017 …
Morgan Mckay@morganfmckay

Governor Cuomo's senior advisor Rich Azzopardi responds to lawmakers' criticism to ventilators being moved from upstate to downstate hospitals.


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Tom Precious@TomPreciousALB
· Apr 3, 2020

“Holy (expletive). Can you print that? Holy (expletive),” nurses’ union leader says of @NYGovCuomo order to use National Guard to round up “excess” ventilators, PPEs from hospitals not yet but hard by coronavirus. https://buffalonews.com/2020/04/03/cuomo-to-hospitals-turn-over-your-excess-ventilators-personal-care-equipment/ …

Cuomo wants upstate hospitals to turn over ventilators; Poloncarz says there are none to give
National Guard troops will be dispatched to upstate hospitals and other health care facilities to pick up ventilators, masks and gowns from
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Tom Precious@TomPreciousALB

Democrat @RepBrianHiggins on @NYGovCuomo plan:


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Claudia Tenney

✔@claudiatenney
https://twitter.com/claudiatenney/status/1246181519628083202

This is completely unacceptable. @EliseStefanik is right on point. Just as coronavirus is climbing in Upstate, @NYGovCuomo takes away needed supplies from our hospitals. Governor Cuomo: halt this now. https://twitter.com/EliseStefanik/status/1246179999381704715 …
Elise Stefanik

✔@EliseStefanik

Was just on call w/ #NY21 hospitals who were told it would only be 10 %. Now it’s 20%?! This is unacceptable.

Need to meet our unique Upstate needs: seniors, prisons, less access to testing supplies! & downstaters coming up seeking care which #Ny21 hospitals have provided. https://twitter.com/morganfmckay/status/1246166051655766017 …

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Erie County Clerk Mickey Kearns@ErieCountyClerk
https://twitter.com/ErieCountyClerk/status/1246472381692076033

VIDEO: Kearns Calls on #WNY native @LtGovHochulNY to “be a voice of reason”; and asks local federal leaders to join in requesting @realDonaldTrump to intervene and stop the confiscation of #PPESupplies and ventilators from upstate hospitals. #COVID2019 #coronavirus



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A hastag has started, #UpstateLivesMatter:

Legal Insurrection@LegInsurrection
https://twitter.com/LegInsurrection/status/1246423773198405633

I’m with Elise Stefanik because #UpstateLivesMatter and upstate New Yorkers deserve a fighting chance to beat Coronavirus: https://bit.ly/upstatelivesmatter … https://cards.twitter.com/cards/1t8o3y/9b0o9 …

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David LaPell@DaveLapell
https://twitter.com/DaveLapell/status/1246433158993715201

#UpstateLivesMatter Cuomo and De Blasio screwed up when it came time to get supplies for NYC. Now they want to steal those from upstate.


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ich there is no escape."

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

Very last part:



The reactions have been predictable.

PJ DeGenarø @PJDeGenaro
https://twitter.com/PJDeGenaro/status/1246406200293539841

Hey #UpstateLivesMatter schmucks: Us downstaters keep you alive year after year with our contributions to both the state and federal governments. You can goddamn give up a ventilator you're not using.

Oh and btw, yes, this hashtag does make your ass look racist.

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M@MelanieMoore
https://twitter.com/MelanieMoore/status/1246346459068297216

So this hashtag I just clicked on #UpstateLivesMatter is about rich white people co-opting BLM to bitch about Cuomo nationalizing respirators to get them to where they are most needed DURING A PANDEMIC and they are upset their whiteness and wealth aren't letting 'em line jump.

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Cuomo will receive national media accolades for his caring posture, even though he is as responsible as anyone for NY State’s lack of hospital capacity and ventilators.
But upstate, the recipient of years of Cuomo abuse, won’t see it that way. Cuomo has, once again, painted upstate into a corner from wh

 

[mikeabn]

My. Such an action wouldn't look good if advertised by a political opponent in, say, Fall of 2020.

 

[Dozdoats]

Is he kidnapping respiratory therapists to set up/monitor the vents, too?

 

[et2]

What ventilators ... don’t know what your talking about you commie. HIDE THEM NOW

 

[Dennis Olson]

I believe this is a dup

 

[bw]

Hospitals should take necessary steps to secure their equipment. If that means hiding them at home, do it.

 

[dero50]

That is what Socialist do, like the 4 pillars of Obamacare, they decide who lives and who dies. Death panels.

 

[dero50]

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[subnet]

Are ventilators registered or something or is it search and seizure actions?
Hell, move them to an off site location until needed.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

Hospitals should take necessary steps to secure their equipment. If that means hiding them at home, do it.

Agreed, but better to have some fakes on site for uniformed looters to take and go away with. It's not like your average NG cook or MP is going to be able to tell a good fake from the real thing.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

I believe this is a dup

If so, I apologize. "New York", "NYC", and "ventilator" all return innumerable results as search terms on TB2K now.

 

[mzkitty]

National Steel Unification Act, here we come.

NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo orders National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate hospitals (#UpstateLivesMatter)

Cuomo calls this "sharing," but the mostly Republican and rural upstate region has a bitter history with Cuomo leaving deep suspicion, as Cuomo's plan would leave upstate hospitals with no excess capacity as the virus epicenter spreads out from NYC.

legalinsurrection.com

NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo orders National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate hospitals

Posted by William A. Jacobson Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 4:00pm
Cuomo calls this “sharing,” but the mostly Republican and rural upstate region has a bitter history with Cuomo leaving deep suspicion, as Cuomo’s plan would leave upstate hospitals with no excess capacity as the virus epicenter spreads out from NYC.

If you don’t live in upstate NY, you may not realize how horrible a Governor Andrew Cuomo is.
Upstate, a huge region north and west of New York City, is Republican territory, and has been in revolt against Cuomo’s outrageous gun control SAFE Act for years. Almost every upstate county has, in an ultimately futile but symbolic act, rejected the SAFE Act.



Cuomo also banned fracking, which has left upstate stuck in economic decline as nearby Pennsylvania counties thrived. Upstate is shedding population and jobs, while downstate NYC and surroundings receives state government’s attention and majority of votes.
Radio host Bob Landsberry thinks the upstate (Republican) decline is part of Cuomo’s plan, Falling NY Population Is Part Of Cuomo’s Plan:

Cuomo’s “green” agenda continues to run roughshod over rural communities, Andrew Cuomo’s bid to ram industrial wind, solar plants down locals’ throats:

It’s no coincidence that Republican congressional candidates do well in upstate districts, particularly Tom Reed in NY-23 and Elise Stefanik in NY-21, who are national party leaders.
It is these bitter suspicions of Cuomo that have been brought to the surface with Cuomo’s announcement that the state has ordered the National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate NY hospitals for use downstate:

Cuomo reportedly also plans to use military helicopters to seize the ventilators:

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Cuomo is not taking all the ventilators from upstate, reportedly he’s only taking 20%, but some hospitals upstate in rural areas already have only a handful to start.

Cuomo, implicitly comparing himself to FDR, says he’ll only be borrowing the ventilators and will return them when NYC no longer needs them.

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That’s a dodge — what if small upstate hospitals need them soon, will Cuomo pull them from downstate hospitals? Those downstate hospitals don’t need them NOW, the worry is that they will need them in the future.
Upstate hospitals don’t have a lot of excess ventilator capacity, so Cuomo’s plan is dangerous even in large upstate cities like Buffalo:

Republican politicians have led the charge opposing Cuomo’s plan, joined by some Democrats like Rep. Brian Higgins:

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Well, everybody had to know that was coming.

BTW, it's Lonsberry. He's been around for decades up in Rochester and environs.

 

[night driver]

About time Committees of Correspondence sprang up north of the Mohawk River and west of -=- oh -=- Auriesville and DEFENDED their hospitals' from looters. ARMED defenders. Now got to keep the gatherings under 10 (per door) and "social Distance" (which generates safer crossfires ANYWAY) just to stay in the FEDERAL guidelines. EFF this "governor". The time to FEDERALLY REASSIGN these NYARNG boys n girls was YESTERDAY!! HEY after all the Feds are covering their pay.

 

[shane]

I'm told that Hamilton Hospital is having their nine ventilators
being requisitioned (stolen) by Cuomo and taken down state.

My sister works admin in hospital up there in Madison county.

Colleges up there drew a lot of kids from down state, which is why, I'm guessing, their county
(Madison) now has one of the highest CV rates, per capita, in NY state. March 8th Colgate big
quarterfinal basketball game now being blamed for much of it, including 10 infected in the tiny
village of Hamilton (Population in 2017: 4,108) and even a couple of deaths, so far...

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[mzkitty]

Somebody just posted this on the Rochester Reddit.

Cuomo plans to use National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate facilities

By MARIE J. FRENCH
04/03/2020 12:56 PM EDT
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ALBANY — Gov. Andrew Cuomo said that he would use the National Guard to take ventilators and protective equipment from hospitals and other health care facilities in upstate New York where they're not in use to deploy the lifesaving equipment in the New York City area.


"I'm not going to be in a position where people are dying and we have several hundred ventilators in our own state, somewhere else," Cuomo said on Friday during his daily briefing. “I apologize for the hardship to those institutions — ultimately there is no hardship, if you don't get the ventilator back, I give you my personal word I will pay you for the ventilator — but I’m not going to let people die because we didn’t redeploy these ventilators."




He plans to sign an executive order to give the state the power to take equipment from private hospitals, nursing homes, and other facilities. Cuomo objected to a reporter's question saying the state would "seize" ventilators, instead describing it as "sharing" of resources.


“Right now the numbers in upstate New York are lighter than the numbers in downstate New York but that is going to change," Cuomo said. "You're going to see that wave move through the state. ... We're going to shift resources all across the state to whatever place has that need at that time."


The state has estimated it has only a six-day supply of ventilators left based on the current need in the New York City area. There are about 102,800 confirmed coronavirus cases in New York state, with 57,000 in New York City.


More than 14,800 people are hospitalized and 3,700 are in intensive care. There have been 2,935 deaths from the pandemic as of Friday morning.


The state is scrambling to secure more ventilators — taking steps to repurpose other respiratory support machines, canceling elective procedures and trying to procure ventilators from China and elsewhere.


On Thursday, Cuomo said the state would be surveying hospitals on a daily basis to ask them what personal protective equipment — masks, gowns, gloves — they had on hand and ask them to voluntarily contribute to a state stockpile that could then be distributed as needed. The executive order will give him the power to make that mandatory.


“Hospitals who are not dealing with Covid are seeing very low activity and it’s not that we’re going to leave any health care facility without adequate equipment, but they don't need excess equipment,” the governor said.


The governor’s plan drew concern from some upstate Congressional lawmakers, including Republican Rep. Tom Reed.


“Taking our ventilators by force leaves people without protection and hospitals unable to save lives today or respond to a coming surge,” he said on Twitter. He added: “We stand together opposing the Governor's very dangerous and reckless action of taking our ventilators. He is leaving our communities in a terrible position which will cost lives.”


Rep. Elise Stefanik, who represents the North Country, also raised concerns about the impact on her district which has a large number of older people.


“Our rural hospitals are already very limited in resources & we must ensure Upstate’s needs for testing supplies & ventilators are met,” she wrote on Twitter. “I’m committed to working thru these concerns.”


Cuomo said it's not yet clear how many ventilators might be found at upstate institutions but estimated there may be "several hundred excess."


"Several hundred could represent several hundred lives so am I willing to deploy the National Guard and inconvenience people for several hundred lives, you're damn right I am," the governor said.

Cuomo plans to use National Guard to seize ventilators from upstate facilities

The state has estimated it has only a six-day supply of ventilators left based on the current need in the New York City area.

www.politico.com

 

[bev]

From the OP...

“Cuomo, implicitly comparing himself to FDR, says he’ll only be borrowing the ventilators and will return them when NYC no longer needs them.”

What happens when NYC patients are using all the vents that were confiscated by Cuomo, and upstate hospitals start running out?

Who lives? Who dies?

Even more important, who decides?

 

[Squid]

Very last part:



The reactions have been predictable.

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Cuomo will receive national media accolades for his caring posture, even though he is as responsible as anyone for NY State’s lack of hospital capacity and ventilators.
But upstate, the recipient of years of Cuomo abuse, won’t see it that way. Cuomo has, once again, painted upstate into a corner from wh

To bad we lost all but these 2 old one’s on the last fishing trip...

Go ahead redistribute them

 

[FREEBIRD]

From the OP...

“Cuomo, implicitly comparing himself to FDR, says he’ll only be borrowing the ventilators and will return them when NYC no longer needs them.”

What happens when NYC patients are using all the vents that were confiscated by Cuomo, and upstate hospitals start running out?

Who lives? Who dies?

Even more important, who decides?

Cuomo thinks he does.

 

[kyrsyan]

It's a difficult choice. Do you hide them or do you send them? You can't hide them all. No one is going to fall for that. So how many do you hide? Can you get away with "breaking" them and hide the parts needed to fix them? Will that work? And are you ready to deal with the backlash if you actually end up not needing them?
I've been seeing this on a different front. Young healthcare professionals that are being offered big contracts to go help in NY and CA. They are risking being there when they may be needed on the home front. And the contracts they signed are being violated from the minute they step off the planes.

 

[Warthog]

The Grinch strikes again!

 

[Housecarl]

This needs to be looked at as Cuomo taking care of his likely voters in down state and effectively trying to kill those upstate who would vote against him and his cronies.

 

[Jonas Parker]

That is what Socialist do, like the 4 pillars of Obamacare, they decide who lives and who dies. Death panels.

And of course the lives of the geniuses in NYC are far more valuable than the lives of the hicks upstate...

 

[mbabulldog]

Most hospitals are private businesses; so if the State is commandeering equipment from them, did the line just evaporate where the State will stop? Rhetorical question, as from the State's perspective, there never was a line.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

Cuomo thinks he does.

As always, men with guns and the will to use them will decide.
Not all of them that set foot on NY State soil will take orders from Cuomo.

 

[mzkitty]

 

[hunybee]

i am not surprised in the least.

he is using the EXACT same justification to take them as he did for stockpiling. he is saying the NEED them in nyc. they don't. not right now. he is stockpiling them, and then says that outstate ny doesn't need them right this second, so i will take them all. but his only concern is for nyc. to him, there is nothing really outside of nyc....well, nothing of any importance.

 

[Ping Jockey]

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ich there is no escape."

Trump could federalize the NYNG and have them return the bloody things to their rightful owners. Stupid bloody idiots...

 

[shane]

Other than the potential loss of life, which is real, I would
silently cheer on Cuomo's every liberal idiotic over reach,
as it awakens & inoculates thousands more for life to be
forever opposed to demoncrats going forward, provided
it doesn't kill them first. He's the rights' best recruiter!

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

 

[Profit of Doom]

Hospitals should take necessary steps to secure their equipment. If that means hiding them at home, do it.

Everybody gets a ventilator; hangnail, broken wrist, kidney stone, they all need breathing assistance.

 

[summerthyme]

This needs to be looked at as Cuomo taking care of his likely voters in down state and effectively trying to kill those upstate who would vote against him and his cronies.

Exactly. He sees anyone Upstate as less than human. Basically worthless, except forvwhatwver taxes he can screw them out of.

Summerthyme

 

[summerthyme]

Other than the potential loss of life, which is real, I would
silently cheer on Cuomo's every liberal idiotic over reach,
as it awakens & inoculates thousands more for life to be
forever opposed to demoncrats going forward, provided
it doesn't kill them first. He's the rights' best recruiter!

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

I've been saying that right along... I figured it wouldn't take long for his inner dictator to start shining through... and it didn't! If he sonehow ends up as the replacement for Biden, Trump will have a field day... I'm guessing his campaign people are already stockpiling Cuomo quotes...

Summerthyme

 

[Ping Jockey]

Other than the potential loss of life, which is real, I would
silently cheer on Cuomo's every liberal idiotic over reach,
as it awakens & inoculates thousands more for life to be
forever opposed to demoncrats going forward, provided
it doesn't kill them first. He's the rights' best recruiter!

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane

Very true...

Yet It’s the idea that the great sucking sound coming from NYC has to be coddled to by the rest of the state, and eventually the nation, because they can’t get their crap together and prep.

It is much like those who prepare, they work to put away life’s necessities for that ‘just in case’ moment. Only to have the orcs from across town come, break into the stores that were carefully put away, and steal them.

How many people have to get hurt or killed because of these orcs?

 

[Krayola]

i am not surprised in the least.

he is using the EXACT same justification to take them as he did for stockpiling. he is saying the NEED them in nyc. they don't. not right now. he is stockpiling them, and then says that outstate ny doesn't need them right this second, so i will take them all. but his only concern is for nyc. to him, there is nothing really outside of nyc....well, nothing of any importance.

Agree. The hypocrisy is strong here. On the one hand, he had spare ventilators but kept demanding Trump send him more because he said he was going to need them in the future. But now, the upstate says the same thing, they don't want to give up their ventilators because they expect to need them in the future and he says no way.

 

[night driver]

Trump -=-> Biden
Trump -=-> Cuomo

Either one will make Trtump-=-> Hillary look like the Senior Class Presidency campaign in some suburban HS. It WILL get dirty. EVERYONE will have mud on their hands.

Gonna be an interesting Fall after we see how many people survive the Spring, and then Marching Season (coming up damn soon) and the Long Hot Summer that appears FULLY baked into the cake right now.

 

[mzkitty]

Trump -=-> Biden
Trump -=-> Cuomo

Either one will make Trtump-=-> Hillary look like the Senior Class Presidency campaign in some suburban HS. It WILL get dirty. EVERYONE will have mud on their hands.

Gonna be an interesting Fall after we see how many people survive the Spring, and then Marching Season (coming up damn soon) and the Long Hot Summer that appears FULLY baked into the cake right now.

 

[Scrapman]

He made all hospitals register there ventilators. Now comes confiscation. Sound familiar.

 

[night driver]

I ASSURE you that if I still lived near Utica, I'd be up on the hill at St E's or St Lukes, or down in town for Faxton and I'd have friends and the ARNG would find that ventilators actually COULD cost blood.

Gov't overthrow? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Protecting families and friends? Yup.

This pisses me off GREATLY as I still have family/friends in the area and we're all in the danger demographic.

Have the same feelings about Rome as well.

I'd have to choose.

 

[Krayola]

He made all hospitals register there ventilators. Now comes confiscation. Sound familiar.

When did he make them register? Who would have even thought to have them register ventilators??!! That sounds bizarre unless he knew way back when that if a pandemic ever happened, he planned to seize them.