EBOLA Nurse On Flights May Have Had Worse Case Of Ebola

[auxman]

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October 17, 2014 10:27 PM
DENVER (AP) — The president of Frontier Airlines says a nurse who was on flights between Dallas and Cleveland and who later tested positive for Ebola may have been at a more advanced stage of the illness than previously thought.

Barry Biffle emailed employees Friday about the findings by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. He said the CDC has assured the Denver-based airline that crewmembers on the flights are at a very low risk of exposure.

The airline put the pilots and flight attendants on leave for 21 days, which health experts consider the outer limit of how long it would take someone exposed to Ebola to become sick.

Biffle says passengers on Amber Joy Vinson’s flight from Dallas to Cleveland on Oct. 10 and her return flight to Dallas on Monday have been notified.

(© Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

 

[babysteps]

He said the CDC has assured the Denver-based airline that crewmembers on the flights are at a very low risk of exposure.


Right.


The airline put the pilots and flight attendants on leave for 21 days, which health experts consider the outer limit of how long it would take someone exposed to Ebola to become sick.


It looks like the airlines are taking this more seriously than the CDC is...

 

[niceguy]

It looks like the airlines are taking this more seriously than the CDC is...

Well, you can't sue the CDC. Plus airline executives might have a twinge of conscience. Bureaucrats toeing the party line - none at all.

 

[Amberglass]

Was watching Megan Kelly tonight. A guy on there said there are reports that she taken Tylenol on the FIRST flight.....can't believe that she got on that plane.

 

[willdo]

For me, this confirms some of the other things we heard about. This is just from my observation of different reports and what the experts have been mulling over, that this strain is showing a higher viral titer, faster, causing hosts to be more contagious sooner and may be airborne. They are very carefully wording that reality in a very low profile way, knowing they have a responsibility to contain the potential spread of this virus. Placing pilots and attendants on leave is concerning. Pilots barely have any interaction with passengers, except they share the same air circulation. They must know that news of this is going to give other pilots and attendants pause to either figure out this is more serious than they thought or it will be assuring to them that the airline is going over the top to ensure their safety. Pilots are generally intelligent, and attendants would be intuitive being in a service industry, so I don't think they are going to fool them into thinking the latter. Observing how the Pentagon handled the tour bus incident today, was also revealing. They have upped their quality of response. That means they have discovered something that motivated them to alter their actions. To others, who may not have followed some of the reports we have, this will be reassuring, and it is to me as well, but at the same time I recognize why they altered course.

 

[VesperSparrow]

How many employers are gonna pay the way for the incubation period though? Yeah OK...1 or 2 hundred right now...but potentially THOUSANDS of employees to sit at home, take temp? HAHHAHA

 

[willdo]

There are only so many pilots. They would not have taken them off the job unless there was little choice involved.

 

[Be Well]

For me, this confirms some of the other things we heard about. This is just from my observation of different reports and what the experts have been mulling over, that this strain is showing a higher viral titer, faster, causing hosts to be more contagious sooner and may be airborne. They are very carefully wording that reality in a very low profile way, knowing they have a responsibility to contain the potential spread of this virus. Placing pilots and attendants on leave is concerning. Pilots barely have any interaction with passengers, except they share the same air circulation. They must know that news of this is going to give other pilots and attendants pause to either figure out this is more serious than they thought or it will be assuring to them that the airline is going over the top to ensure their safety. Pilots are generally intelligent, and attendants would be intuitive being in a service industry, so I don't think they are going to fool them into thinking the latter. Observing how the Pentagon handled the tour bus incident today, was also revealing. They have upped their quality of response. That means they have discovered something that motivated them to alter their actions. To others, who may not have followed some of the reports we have, this will be reassuring, and it is to me as well, but at the same time I recognize why they altered course.

Yes. CIDRAP announced I think 2 days ago that it is basically airborne.

 

[Melodi]

How many employers are gonna pay the way for the incubation period though? Yeah OK...1 or 2 hundred right now...but potentially THOUSANDS of employees to sit at home, take temp? HAHHAHA

This is why I said four or five days ago there was an urgent need for the creation of a contingency fund to help page wages and smaller employers (especially small) ones; a few States have mandatory programs that employees pay into for sick pay; most Western countries have it as a national program. It "works" like social security and I saw it at work with diseases before, California had such a program and Mississippi didn't. A close friend in Mississippi who was ill with a mandated illness was told her employer to "work anyway" and she did because otherwise she would not be paid and end up on the street (both people were in food service). In a similar situation in California (in the late 80's) the health department showed up at the infected person's house, told them to stay away from work or food handling for the public for x number of weeks under threat of arrest but here let us help you fill out the forms already signed by your employer for your compensation that starts next payday.

If the US can afford foreign aid, it can afford to do this for its own people; yes tax payers will pay; they will also pay for soup-kitchens, shanty towns, extended unemployment and a host of other things if people and employers do not get some help during this period. A charity drive, similar to "War Bonds" could also be set along side it with public service adverts like "Americans helping Americans in their time of need!"

Government shouldn't do it all, but this is the sort of situation where it may need to take the first leads to prevent panic and chaos..as in "fever? what do you mean I can't go to work, I won't be able to pay rent if I don't go to work.."

 

[Magdalen]

Where's the plane? Still in service?

 

[anney]

For me, this confirms some of the other things we heard about. This is just from my observation of different reports and what the experts have been mulling over, that this strain is showing a higher viral titer, faster, causing hosts to be more contagious sooner and may be airborne. They are very carefully wording that reality in a very low profile way, knowing they have a responsibility to contain the potential spread of this virus. Placing pilots and attendants on leave is concerning. Pilots barely have any interaction with passengers, except they share the same air circulation. They must know that news of this is going to give other pilots and attendants pause to either figure out this is more serious than they thought or it will be assuring to them that the airline is going over the top to ensure their safety. Pilots are generally intelligent, and attendants would be intuitive being in a service industry, so I don't think they are going to fool them into thinking the latter. Observing how the Pentagon handled the tour bus incident today, was also revealing. They have upped their quality of response. That means they have discovered something that motivated them to alter their actions. To others, who may not have followed some of the reports we have, this will be reassuring, and it is to me as well, but at the same time I recognize why they altered course.

Agreed....I've been thinking the same thing. Last night on CNN they were reporting that over 800 people are being contacted after either flying with this patient or being on the plane before it was pulled from service. So I thought....this woman who has Ebola must have been alot sicker and was exhibiting more active symptoms that were being reported for the airlines to contact over 800 passengers.

One of the hard things about all this is the incubation period....it's the waiting to see when the symptoms start. I also think it is or has mutated. We are in trouble...big time trouble.

 

[imaginative]

The president of Frontier Airlines says a nurse who was on flights between Dallas and Cleveland and who later tested positive for Ebola may have been at a more advanced stage of the illness than previously thought.

Do we know why he suspects this?

 

[Dux]

Where's the plane? Still in service?

It's in Denver, getting cleaned up.

 

[Bubble Head]

It's in Denver, getting cleaned up.

I have heard nothing of DIA being cleaned up. If the plane is there then the clean up crew is there as well as passengers that travel Frontier. By the way if you have had to travel DIA it is the evilest airport I have ever been in. The pictures on the wall of dead people and people with gas masks on is total chaos which is what has started. Seems they always tell you what they are going to do to you.

 

[Mama Ten Bears]

There was an article that discussed the aiine is replacing all carpet and seat covers in the plane.

 

[imaginative]

The news is saying that Vinson may have been contagious 4 days prior to flying....and yet she was only 99.5?

If this is true then body temp isn't a reliable indicator

 

[imaginative]

Therefore the 2 part "test"; are you over 100.4?& Did you travel to Africa is completely worthless

 

[Ledel]

The news is saying that Vinson may have been contagious 4 days prior to flying....and yet she was only 99.5?

If this is true then body temp isn't a reliable indicator

Or she finally confessed to actually be running a low grade fever for awhile

 

[prepgirl44]

The news is saying that Vinson may have been contagious 4 days prior to flying....and yet she was only 99.5?

If this is true then body temp isn't a reliable indicator

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we already know an elevated body temp isn't a reliable indicator. I read on here somewhere a few days ago that something like 13% of people can exhibit other symptoms (and are potentially infectious) for days prior to developing an elevated temp.

 

[nchomemaker]

About the plane, on the Kelly File last night: http://www.foxnews.com/shows/the-kelly-file.html

 

[imaginative]

Or she finally confessed to actually be running a low grade fever for awhile

Certainly possible. I cant find any info on her current condition

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we already know an elevated body temp isn't a reliable indicator. I read on here somewhere a few days ago that something like 13% of people can exhibit other symptoms (and are potentially infectious) for days prior to developing an elevated temp.

I didnt know that. Neither was she in africa...so both of those questions really are pointless

 

[Milk-maid]

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October 17, 2014 10:27 PM
DENVER (AP) — The president of Frontier Airlines says a nurse who was on flights between Dallas and Cleveland and who later tested positive for Ebola may have been at a more advanced stage of the illness than previously thought.

Barry Biffle emailed employees Friday about the findings by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. He said the CDC has assured the Denver-based airline that crewmembers on the flights are at a very low risk of exposure.

The airline put the pilots and flight attendants on leave for 21 days, which health experts consider the outer limit of how long it would take someone exposed to Ebola to become sick.

Biffle says passengers on Amber Joy Vinson’s flight from Dallas to Cleveland on Oct. 10 and her return flight to Dallas on Monday have been notified.

(© Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

2 things here:

1. First the key words are "Crew members" are not at risk, what about the rest of the passengers? Do they breath different air?

2. So who are the health experts that say 21 days that is the "outer limits" of how long it would take to get sick?

Would that be the CDC? Or as someone here wrote on another thread, "THE VOMITOUS LYING CDC"?

I'd error on the side of caution and believe the World Health Organization way before the CDC and they are saying up to 42 days now.

All this misinformation is going to get people dead. Sick and dead. But then, that's the agenda.

MM

 

[Aunt Pittypat]

For me, this confirms some of the other things we heard about. This is just from my observation of different reports and what the experts have been mulling over, that this strain is showing a higher viral titer, faster, causing hosts to be more contagious sooner and may be airborne. They are very carefully wording that reality in a very low profile way, knowing they have a responsibility to contain the potential spread of this virus. Placing pilots and attendants on leave is concerning. Pilots barely have any interaction with passengers, except they share the same air circulation. They must know that news of this is going to give other pilots and attendants pause to either figure out this is more serious than they thought or it will be assuring to them that the airline is going over the top to ensure their safety. Pilots are generally intelligent, and attendants would be intuitive being in a service industry, so I don't think they are going to fool them into thinking the latter. Observing how the Pentagon handled the tour bus incident today, was also revealing. They have upped their quality of response. That means they have discovered something that motivated them to alter their actions. To others, who may not have followed some of the reports we have, this will be reassuring, and it is to me as well, but at the same time I recognize why they altered course.

Pretty much what I was thinking when I wrote to WATCH WHAT THEY DO in the "No Updates" thread.
It hit the fan Thursday. And I believe it may have been because of lab results from Nurse 2 -- indicating a higher viral titer than previously recognized. ?????? Think about all that happened Thursday afternoon, evening.
2nd Cabinet meeting.
Texas devises a legal means to keep health care workers at home.
Word goes out that Nurse 2 may have shown symptoms on the flight to Cleveland. (Uncle denies that.)
Nurse 1 is transferred to the NIH -- a research facility.
Scramble to notify passengers on the first flight and Cleveland contacts.
Czar is appointed.

Friday -- much different response.
Saturday -- news blackout -- with the exception of carefully crafted leaks like the one above.

 

[Parakeet]

Where's the plane? Still in service?

The CEO(?) from Frontier Airlines was on Megan Kelly's show a couple of nights ago. He said the plane from Dallas to OH had been taken out of commission and cleaned five times. The OH to Dallas plane had been taken out of commission and cleaned nine times, which included the removal of carpeting and seat covers in the danger zone. He also stated that while this was the first time dealing with the Ebola Virus, they have decontaminated their planes in the past to deal with H1N1, Swine Flu and a few other communicable diseases so they already had procedures/cleaning crews in place to deal with such issues.

 

[vessie]

Well, you can't sue the CDC. Plus airline executives might have a twinge of conscience. Bureaucrats toeing the party line - none at all.

Plus the airline executives may fear that they will have a airline pilot muntiny on their hands.

Nothing to do with conscience, just worries over the bottom line. Because that's the only thing they're really worried about.

As in another thread, I'll see if I hear any scuttlebutt coming from ALPA (Air Line Pilots Association) from next door as soon as I can. V

 

[Countrymouse]

It's in Denver, getting cleaned up.

And I think I read somewhere (have NO idea where, now) that one of the cleanup workers was complaining because THE AIRLINE IS REFUSING TO LET THEM WEAR MASKS WHILE CLEANING THE PLANE.

He said that they NORMALLY ALWAYS WEAR MASKS AND HAVE IN THE PAST, but THIS TIME, for THIS plane, they received orders from the AIRLINE, NOT TO WEAR MASKS while cleaning it.


They care more about HOW THINGS LOOK, than about WHAT IS REAL.



You know--this is ironic.

In the Middle Ages, people did not KNOW how to counter the Black Death because they had NO IDEA that there existed tiny living things (bacteria) or semi-living (viruses) that THEY COULD NOT SEE, that were making them sick. Therefore, they could NOT conceive of how to guard against it.

NOW, we DO KNOW about microscopic organisms that can make us sick---we DO KNOW that what we CAN'T see, CAN kill us. But we are CHOOSING TO IGNORE what we KNOW to be true.


Who is the REAL "backward" person here?

 

[Scotto]

There was an article that discussed the airline is replacing all carpet and seat covers in the plane.

And are the contractors who are doing this work wearing approved hazmat suits? Or is it just a couple of stooges from something like "Willy's Carpet Emporium" who will spread it to their families now?

 

[Countrymouse]

I have heard nothing of DIA being cleaned up. If the plane is there then the clean up crew is there as well as passengers that travel Frontier. By the way if you have had to travel DIA it is the evilest airport I have ever been in. The pictures on the wall of dead people and people with gas masks on is total chaos which is what has started. Seems they always tell you what they are going to do to you.

I've long noticed the DENVER airport pics seem to have VERY demonic themes, but---GAS MASKS?

As in---RESPIRATORS???

What!?


REALLY???


My son (our resident computer geek) showed me something rather spooky yesterday.


He said (is this true, those of you who are geeks?) that TWITTER posts CANNOT be re-edited later on to change the post or the TIME it was posted.


He showed me a TWITTER post from LAST YEAR---2013---that showed a comment from a guy that said he'd been playing around with a Ouija board (again the date was Spring 2013--over a year ago and LONG before the Ebola Zaire crisis started this year in west Africa---and the comment was along these lines:

"Got this today playing Ouija--ebola2014---WTF is that about?"

I'll have my son send me that post & post it here if I can....

 

[Countrymouse]

ok my son found the link & the pic---

note there "is" some objectionable language in it---

https://31.media.tumblr.com/6bb80f993f177ea37fc75c7591649987/tumblr_nd71hxFeQ51rrdzpmo1_1280.jpg

Note the date on the Tweet (Hard to see on this pic attached---it's bigger on the one I saved to my computer---if anyone can blow it up larger please feel free)---23 October 2013 --- you can see the date clearly if you go to the link

 

[psychgirl]

Well THAT'S creepy!!

 

[LilRose8]

Very creepy indeed...shades of the Georgia stones new date of 2014

 

[Bubble Head]

Well THAT'S creepy!!

DIA is a Demonic Place. No questions about it. But if you want creepy someone posted a book on Amazon wrote in the 1990s about an Obola virus starting in Dallas. I looked up the book and it is still available but ICRS what the name is. If that don't creep you out he has another book that came out July of 2014 about an apocalypse hitting the US. You may start to play the tin foil music now.

 

[Bubble Head]

Very creepy indeed...shades of the Georgia stones new date of 2014

The Georgia stone is real and those that planted it really mean what it says. They will try to pull it off.

 

[Reborn]

The news is saying that Vinson may have been contagious 4 days prior to flying....and yet she was only 99.5?

If this is true then body temp isn't a reliable indicator

REMINDER: Dr. Adaigonoh had symptoms of Ebola and didn't have a fever yet. Her first few temperature readings were fine. So people can have symptoms before they have a fever.

 

[Countrymouse]

He said the CDC has assured the Denver-based airline that crewmembers on the flights are at a very low risk of exposure.


Right.


The airline put the pilots and flight attendants on leave for 21 days, which health experts consider the outer limit of how long it would take someone exposed to Ebola to become sick.


It looks like the airlines are taking this more seriously than the CDC is...

I want to ask----


"21 days" was the gold standard for "if you have it, you're gonna show it" for ebola UP UNTIL RECENTLY---


then I began hearing something about "42 days" being the "new outer limit" of exposure safety time?


Can anyone clear this up for me or post direct links to sites explaining this?

 

[Countrymouse]

Very creepy indeed...shades of the Georgia stones new date of 2014

You know I just thought of something else---


What about that weird speech made in January 2014 by that woman with the French name---ah, what was it?---at the National Press Core annual meeting about how "2014 is a MAGIC YEAR" (yes, she SAID that) and talking about all kinds of NUMEROLOGY at this PUBLIC meeting (I think she's HEAD of the World Financial something-or-other---Madeleine something?)

NOT woo-woo---this actually happened, January 2014

 

[Countrymouse]

DIA is a Demonic Place. No questions about it. But if you want creepy someone posted a book on Amazon wrote in the 1990s about an Obola virus starting in Dallas. I looked up the book and it is still available but ICRS what the name is. If that don't creep you out he has another book that came out July of 2014 about an apocalypse hitting the US. You may start to play the tin foil music now.

It wasn't a book by Tom Clancy, was it? There's a whole 'nother thread talking about THAT....

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?457244-Tom-Clancy%92s-Pandemic-Warning!

 

[imaginative]

I want to ask----


"21 days" was the gold standard for "if you have it, you're gonna show it" for ebola UP UNTIL RECENTLY---


then I began hearing something about "42 days" being the "new outer limit" of exposure safety time?


Can anyone clear this up for me or post direct links to sites explaining this?

Im in-n-out right now, otherwise I would find the links

CDC recommends 21 days

WHO recommends 42 days

 

[Littleolme]

It wasn't a book by Tom Clancy, was it? There's a whole 'nother thread talking about THAT....

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?457244-Tom-Clancy%92s-Pandemic-Warning!

I believe the one they are talking about is "Absolute Zero"....here is the link...
http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Zero-Frederick-Aldrich-ebook/dp/B008MKPLSQ/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_1

 

[CnMO]

You know I just thought of something else---


What about that weird speech made in January 2014 by that woman with the French name---ah, what was it?---at the National Press Core annual meeting about how "2014 is a MAGIC YEAR" (yes, she SAID that) and talking about all kinds of NUMEROLOGY at this PUBLIC meeting (I think she's HEAD of the World Financial something-or-other---Madeleine something?)

NOT woo-woo---this actually happened, January 2014

CM, her name was Christine Lagarde head of the IMF

And what was the name of the cruise ship, --- the"Magic"