ENVR Nuclear Climate Solution Is Cheaper Than Coal, IAEA Says

Housecarl

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Nuclear Climate Solution Is Cheaper Than Coal, IAEA Says

by Jonathan Tirone
October 20, 2015 — 1:30 AM PDT
Updated on October 20, 2015 — 3:27 AM PDT

- IAEA says nuclear beats coal thanks to lower interest rates
- Critics say agency's model doesn't reflect market reality

The potential for nuclear power to play a role in the fight against climate change is growing as low interest rates make capital-intensive investments more attractive, the International Atomic Energy Agency said.

Assuming that investors would demand a return of between 3 percent and 7 percent for financing the construction of reactors, and fossil-fuel generators will have to pay $30 per ton for their carbon emissions, nuclear power is a cheaper option than coal and natural gas, the IAEA said in a report Tuesday. The agency, whose mission is to promote the use of atomic energy, had used discount rates of 5 percent to 10 percent last year for its calculations.

“The estimates are very sensitive to the discount rate assumed,” said Edwin Lyman at the Union of Concerned Scientists in Washington, a policy group seeking tighter nuclear safety regulation. “In theory, expanding nuclear power is an option that could help to reduce carbon emissions but the problem is putting that theory into practice.”

The nuclear-power industry’s focus has shifted toward Asia as safety concerns and cost overruns have slowed construction in Europe and the U.S. The $37.9 billion Hinkley Point project, Britain’s first nuclear plant in three decades, is being challenged in court while China’s newest economic-development plan envisions as many as eight new nuclear plants a year through 2020.

To play a bigger role in efforts to restrict climate change, the industry would need “very high construction rates but also to maintain those rates over several decades,” David Shropshire, the IAEA’s head of planning and economic studies, wrote in an e-mailed reply to questions. “The challenge is also financial as very large resources would have to be mobilized to deploy nuclear plants worldwide.”

Shropshire said at a Vienna briefing on Tuesday that applying a 10 percent discount rate would also be “plausible” under some circumstances. A country’s decision to construct nuclear-power plants is more of a strategic than an economic decision, he added.

The IAEA’s assumptions mean that it would cost $26 to $64 to generate a megawatt hour of electricity using nuclear power, compared with $65 to $95 for coal and $61 to $133 for natural gas. Nuclear power is cheaper than renewable energies including onshore wind and solar, according to the Vienna-based agency, adding that only hydro-power costs less.

In the U.K., the owners of Hinkley Point are receiving a return of 10 percent after they worked out a 35-year deal with regulators to charge 92.50 pounds ($143.23) per megawatt-hour of nuclear power. A Bloomberg New Energy Finance study concluded a megawatt hour of atomic power costs $261 in the U.S. and $158 in Europe.

“It looks to me like they are stacking their economic assumptions against economic reality,” said Henry Sokolski, Executive Director of the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center, a Washington research group that looks at nuclear risks. Assumptions around carbon pricing are more than three times higher than actual market quotes, he said.

On Monday, benchmark carbon futures for December traded at 8.40 euros a metric ton on London’s ICE. December 2015 California carbon futures were at $12.88.

“I know of no serious justification for using a 3 percent discount rate given western experience,” wrote Peter Bradford, a former Nuclear Regulatory Commission member, in an e-mailed reply to questions. A more accurate measure would be the 5 percent to 10 percent used by the IAEA in previous years, he said.
 

FarmerJohn

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I wonder if that analysis factored in the real possibility that we could loose another few nukes to meltdowns now and then.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Illuminating.
Assuming that
investors would demand a return of between 3 percent and 7 percent for financing the construction of reactors,
and
fossil-fuel generators will have to pay $30 per ton for their carbon emissions,
then
nuclear power is a cheaper option than coal and natural gas, the IAEA said in a report Tuesday.
The agency, whose mission is to promote the use of atomic energy, had used discount rates of 5 percent to 10 percent last year for its calculations.

“It looks to me like they are stacking their economic assumptions against economic reality,” said Henry Sokolski, Executive Director of the Nonproliferation Policy Education Center, a Washington research group that looks at nuclear risks. Assumptions around carbon pricing are more than three times higher than actual market quotes.

Without Al Gore's carbon credits, Nuclear Power is far too expensive. And the reason Nuclear Power is too expensive is because of environmental regulations so, they are creating new environmental regulations based on Climate Change to create Carbon Credits, whereby carbon producers must pay non-carbon producers $30 per ton of carbon produced.
So, what happens when there are no more carbon producers because the $30 per ton drove them out of business?

Except what really happens is the $30 per ton of carbon emissions is added to your electric bill so that your electricity from a coal fired generator is the same as that from a nuclear generator and the politicians keep the $30 per ton.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Not only cheaper, but cleaner and less radioactive than coal. (If working correctly)

Going to pebble bed or thorium makes it even cleaner and MUCH safer than the current quadruple redundancies.

PART of the enormous cost of a nuke plant is the fact that they actually build TWO plants (considering the general redundancies required) with ADDITIONAL redundancies for critical systems...
 

TimeTraveler

Veteran Member
Not only cheaper, but cleaner and less radioactive than coal. (If working correctly)

Going to pebble bed or thorium makes it even cleaner and MUCH safer than the current quadruple redundancies.

PART of the enormous cost of a nuke plant is the fact that they actually build TWO plants (considering the general redundancies required) with ADDITIONAL redundancies for critical systems...

Thorium may be possible if they can scale it up and make it feasible at a commercial level. We certainly don't need anymore 1960's technologies. (current reactors).
 

raven

TB Fanatic
They don't actually say that it is cheaper than coal.

They say that with a $30/ton carbon tax on coal burners and a 10% discount rate on nuclear financing
then nuclear is cheaper.
Now, as long as you are good with the price of electricity going up pretty high and can convince enough of your family and friends, I'm for it.
But it is not going to fix the climate
 

Be Well

may all be well
Boiling water to make steam and then electricity using nukes is one of the stupidest ideas human beings have ever come up with.

They still have no place to put the radioactive waste, especially the spent rods which are highly dangerous for thousands of years, and if the grid goes down, nuke plants melt.

STUPID.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Boiling water to make steam and then electricity using nukes is one of the stupidest ideas human beings have ever come up with.

They still have no place to put the radioactive waste, especially the spent rods which are highly dangerous for thousands of years, and if the grid goes down, nuke plants melt.

STUPID.

They never figure the back end costs of these projects. It is not like they don't have examples. Chernobyl, Three mile island, Fukeshima. They have accountants - they know what the costs are in terms of infrastructure although the related health costs are more difficult to quantify. Which is why they need to counter with climate catastrophe.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
Boiling water to make steam and then electricity using nukes is one of the stupidest ideas human beings have ever come up with.

They still have no place to put the radioactive waste, especially the spent rods which are highly dangerous for thousands of years, and if the grid goes down, nuke plants melt.

STUPID.
Exactly. Nuclear power could be free and it would still be a bad idea. We still don't have a way to deal with the waste after all these years, and heaven help us all if the grid goes down.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Exactly. Nuclear power could be free and it would still be a bad idea. We still don't have a way to deal with the waste after all these years, and heaven help us all if the grid goes down.

I read a book by John Goffman (sp?) years ago, maybe 1980, and it convinced me nuke plants were a horrible idea. And the US gov underwrites them as no insurance company will; at least that's the way it was some years ago.
 
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