ENER Nordstream 1 and Nordstream 2 had sudden pressure drop - Likely Sabotage

jward

passin' thru

Suspect Identified​

"It appears that the Russians not only know that the USA sabotaged the two natural gas pipelines to Germany, but they know which US Navy ship was responsible and how the attack was carried out.

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Oh my Lord God.

Dare we speculate what Russia will do next?

Or what the Europeans---soon to be freezing in their homes---will think of or do to the US?
Remember, those pipelines were not actually supplying gas to Europe, that had been reduced or stopped already iirc
..this does help, sorta literally, burn that bridge tho, so no amount of citizen pressure would lead EU countries to being able to back off sanctions and return to getting their supplies from Ru.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
We've held the elections in the middle of wars. There is no precedent for doing otherwise.
There's nothing else going on in the US now that's unprecedented, is there?

Oh, yeah... wokeism, Socialism, media running propaganda 24/7, FBI overkill raids, a "president" on a podium looking like Hitler and saying that half of us are domestic terrorists, and the list goes on.

But I agree, the elections will likely happen. While we're hunkered down eating scraps without electricity and sheltering in place, they can run the Dominion machines off of generators to assert the will of the People.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Everybody's seems to be getting hung up on the need for special equipment to accomplish this. This is not deep water. Commercially trained divers are more than capable of doing this and the gear is readily avail. A regular SCUBA diver could bounce dive it. Very risky but doable. Down, set the charge and up. The location of the pipelines is not a secret. There is no real security to bypass. A commercial drone or even a homemade drone could accomplish the task. The true perps could be almost any nation or well funded group that has a stake in this. You dont need a submarine or a ship. A small fishing vessel would work.
It is not that easy. Trust me I have done this kind of work. Insertion and extraction of a team is not what you think. To many movies. I patrolled the underwater fuel line off Hue South Vietnam many decades ago. Yes the North and Chuck had divers and would plant explosives underwater. We did the same. No SEAL team involved. They were specialized in snatch and grab of high priority targets. All was left to Combat divers and UDT. I have had to go to 220' on compressed air. Down time is limited to maybe 10 minutes with decompression stops on the way up. You blow through twin 90# tanks immediately and fresh tanks are sent down to via a line. You have to ditch and dawn at 150' with next stop at maybe 90'. If you are in a hot zone you have to come up going into the bends with a full load of nitrogen and be thrown in the decompression chambers for possibly hours. Have you seen many vessels running around with decompression chambers. I haven't even begun to tell you about visibility at 200'. You may only be able to feel what you are working on and not see it. Then you have to deal with Hyperthermia. The water temperature at depth in the Baltic Sea will suck the warmth out of your body. You alone cannot replace it. You have to replace your body temperature from an outside source. I know because I have made many cold water dives all the way to the artic circle. Just a few of the plans that have to drawn up before anyone goes into the water. I am sure Doc1 can fill you in on a lot more. I won't.
 
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TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
There's nothing else going on in the US now that's unprecedented, is there?

Oh, yeah... wokeism, Socialism, media running propaganda 24/7, FBI overkill raids, a "president" on a podium looking like Hitler and saying that half of us are domestic terrorists, and the list goes on.

But I agree, the elections will likely happen. While we're hunkered down eating scraps without electricity and sheltering in place, they can run the Dominion machines off of generators to assert the will of the People.
So... you're going to just sit there come election time?
 

jward

passin' thru
EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3
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Update: Norwegian Prime Minister: Norway will deploy its army to protect its oil and gas facilities from any possible sabotage.
 

jward

passin' thru
That tells me that Russia doesn't have any proof the US did it, according to some earlier reports. If they had any proof, they wouldn't need to investigate further.
I wouldn't necessary make that assumption. Everyone is talking to their voters/domestically at this point. He could be as likely to have proof, and be sitting on it as a means o' deescalation, or not being forced to go hotter, as not having proof at all.

Remember, the only thing we know, and the only thing that matters, at the end o' the day, is that this "event" has shifted gears once again, and escalated into a new phase. The details are sorta beside the point. : (
 

parsonswife

Veteran Member
From Michael Yon



Russia Threatens to Cut off Yamal Pipeline

28 September 2022
Dublin, Ireland
Fat people have major advantages during cold and famine. Read five random books on famines that occur in cold places. Is true.
We all been waiting for someone’s boot to drop on Yamal, and some others. Keep eyes on the Norwegian flows.
Please see my Givesendgo. Now more than ever I need to be downrange. Those who follow my work are far better prepared to get through this than those who do not. Build your human network. This is vital.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
PRETTY SURE that, as you say, it would burn off, though it'd be a BIG beacon for a fairly long time (remember it's about a kilometer in diameter at the sea surface)
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I don't know which to watch most--

the hurricane in Florida

or the "hurricane" being monitored here..............
 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
Well all the oceans mapping just finished up last year I believe.

Don't have to guess where to place devices. They've been maped out. Just put in directions and GO.

What a world.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Maybe it was the Germans who did it. They then get to point the blame at "the russians" for their people freezing this winter instead the people blaming them for their green policies, and allow them move forward with pushing their agenda.

<shrug>
Or factions within these govts. Say German leadership was thinking of setting talks with the Russians on gas.
The hardliners and warmonger dont want peace so you take the bargaining chip off the table. Russians could do it for the same reasons. Mybe the Poles want to make sure they become Germany's supplier with their new line.
It is not that easy. Trust me I have done this kind of work. Insertion and extraction of a team is not what you think. To many movies. I patrolled the underwater fuel line off Hue South Vietnam many decades ago. Yes the North and Chuck had divers and would plant explosives underwater. We did the same. No SEAL team involved. They were specialized in snatch and grab of high priority targets. All was left to Combat divers and UDT. I have had to go to 220' on compressed air. Down time is limited to maybe 10 minutes with decompression stops on the way up. You blow through twin 90# tanks immediately and fresh tanks are sent down to via a line. You have to ditch and dawn at 150' with next stop at maybe 90'. If you are in a hot zone you have to come up going into the bends with a full load of nitrogen and be thrown in the decompression chambers for possibly hours. Have you seen many vessels running around with decompression chambers. I haven't even begun to tell you about visibility at 200'. You may only be able to feel what you are working on and not see it. Then you have to deal with Hyperthermia. The water temperature at depth in the Baltic Sea will suck the warmth out of your body. You alone cannot replace it. You have to replace your body temperature from an outside source. I know because I have made many cold water dives all the way to the artic circle. Just a few of the plans that have to drawn up before anyone goes into the water. I am sure Doc1 can fill you in on a lot more. I won't.
You are right. To do it safely takes a fair amount of planning and training. I spent a decade working with Navy divers and on various delivery systems and hard suits and we had procedures on top of procedures that made sure our divers were as safe as possible. But not everyone follows the safest methods. One of my coworkers was a former Soviet Navy diver and he would laugh at all of that but he would also tell stories of all the guys they lost due to bad equipment and poor training. I have also worked with a treasure hunter who would bounce dive at 260' to get a line around something to try to get it up to the surface. When the Empire Knight was found those teams were doing that because they were trying to get stuff off before the site was shut down due to a pollution hazards. They took incredible risks and in the end they didnt get their reward but it can be done. Nuts yes but it was done and they lived.

Personally I would bet on drones or something autonomous. We will never know but that would be my WAG.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Look. We had full spectrum elections in 1860, 1862, and 1864. I seem to remember some writings and some books suggesting that those years had some schtuff going on that was kinda loud.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Absolutely not, if I can help it.

You missed my point. Our whole situation right now is unprecedented. Things are insane at all levels.. It's no stretch at all to imagine they might "postpone" elections.
Such a postponement would fast-track other things that have been postponed for a long, long time.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Current World Population
7,977,502,644

Well....the deep state wants to drop the population down to about ONE billion people planet wide. A nuclear war is a sure way to do that. It would also get rid of all the various world governments, and any restrictions or impediments and then they could exploit the whole planet's resources at will and at their leisure. Think about it. What's seven billion dead to them? Meh!
 
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