OP-ED No more appeasement: Joseph Farah tells how Thomas Jefferson ended Islamic terrorism

dstraito

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125104/posts

I'm not sure if this has been covered before on this board but I found it very interesting.


Most Americans probably think the Islamic terrorists declared war on the United States Sept. 11, 2001.

Actually, it started a long time before – right from the birth of the nation.

When George Washington was serving as president in 1784, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Benjamin Franklin were commissioned by the first Congress to assemble in Paris to see about marketing U.S. products in Europe.

Jefferson quickly surmised that the biggest challenge facing U.S. merchant ships were those referred to euphemistically as "Barbary pirates."

They weren't "pirates" at all, in the traditional sense, Jefferson noticed. They didn't drink and chase women and they really weren't out to strike it rich. Instead, their motivation was strictly religious. They bought and sold slaves, to be sure. They looted ships. But they used their booty to buy guns, ships, cannon and ammunition.

Like those we call "terrorists" today, they saw themselves engaged in jihad and called themselves "mujahiddin."

Why did these 18th-century terrorists represent such a grave threat to U.S. merchant ships? With independence from Great Britain, the former colonists lost the protection of the greatest navy in the world. The U.S. had no navy – not a single warship.

Jefferson inquired of his European hosts how they dealt with the problem. He was stunned to find out that France and England both paid tribute to the fiends – who would, in turn, use the money to expand their own armada, buy more weaponry, hijack more commercial ships, enslave more innocent civilians and demand greater ransom.

This didn't make sense to Jefferson. He recognized the purchase of peace from the Muslims only worked temporarily. They would always find an excuse to break an agreement, blame the Europeans and demand higher tribute.

After three months researching the history of militant Islam, he came up with a very different policy to deal with the terrorists. But he didn't get to implement until years later.

As the first secretary of state, Jefferson urged the building of a navy to rescue American hostages held in North Africa and to deter future attacks on U.S. ships. In 1792, he commissioned John Paul Jones to go to Algiers under the guise of diplomatic negotiations, but with the real intent of sizing up a future target of a naval attack.

Jefferson was ready to retire a year later when what could only be described as "America's first Sept. 11" happened.

America was struck with its first mega-terror attack by jihadists. In the fall of 1793, the Algerians seized 11 U.S. merchant ships and enslaved more than 100 Americans.

When word of the attack reached New York, the stock market crashed. Voyages were canceled in every major port. Seamen were thrown out of work. Ship suppliers went out of business. What Sept. 11 did to the U.S. economy in 2001, the mass shipjacking of 1793 did to the fledgling U.S. economy in that year.

Accordingly, it took the U.S. Congress only four months to decide to build a fleet of warships.

But even then, Congress didn't choose war, as Jefferson prescribed. Instead, while building what would become the U.S. Navy, Congress sent diplomats to reason with the Algerians. The U.S. ended up paying close to $1 million and giving the pasha of Algiers a new warship, "The Crescent," to win release of 85 surviving American hostages.

It wasn't until 1801, under the presidency of Jefferson, that the U.S. engaged in what became a four-year war against Tripoli. And it wasn't until 1830, when France occupied Algiers, and later Tunisia and Morocco, that the terrorism on the high seas finally ended.

France didn't leave North Africa until 1962 – and it quickly became a major base of terrorism once again.

What's the moral of the story? Appeasement never works. Jefferson saw it. Sept. 11 was hardly the beginning. The war in which we fight today is the longest conflict in human history. It's time to learn from history, not repeat its mistakes.

Link to Glenn Beck segment on Pirates - "To the Shores of Tripoli" - Marines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLel-hU11FI
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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You have to have a few things first- Strength, Integrity and Willingness plus a pair of balls.

No one in D.C. has amy of that.

So appease it is.
 

Sully

Veteran Member
I think Hal Lindsey had the best idea of how to stop the jihadists...Air drop pig blood on them.

Sully
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War#Declaration_of_war_and_naval_blockade

"...In response, Jefferson sent a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Although Congress never voted on a formal declaration of war, they did authorize the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli "and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify.".."

I have watched constitutional purists tie themselves into knots trying to philosophically prove that Congress had declared war in this case. They are the same ones who demand today that the words 'declare, war, and the country declared against' be in a formal Congressional Act, or it is not a constitutionally declared war.

BTW, you will notice that Jeff did not ask Congress, he 'informed' them.
 

TB2005

Contributing Member
Aha! It's not really

Bush's fault after all. It's that radical Jefferson that got us into the global war on terror.
 

Ender

Inactive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War#Declaration_of_war_and_naval_blockade

"...In response, Jefferson sent a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Although Congress never voted on a formal declaration of war, they did authorize the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli "and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify.".."

I have watched constitutional purists tie themselves into knots trying to philosophically prove that Congress had declared war in this case. They are the same ones who demand today that the words 'declare, war, and the country declared against' be in a formal Congressional Act, or it is not a constitutionally declared war.

BTW, you will notice that Jeff did not ask Congress, he 'informed' them.

First of all, it was not a "war" but a fight against pirates.

Third- you better pray that "Constitutional Purists" take the day in the present world, before the US sinks completely into a communist hell-hole.
 

Sully

Veteran Member
Actually he stole that from me and I have been posting it here for years.


Regardless of who said it first, it was a darn good idea. It would have been a much shorter war, saved billions of dollars and, more important, countless lives.

Sully
 
You have to have a few things first- Strength, Integrity and Willingness plus a pair of balls.

No one in D.C. has amy of that.

So appease it is.


It's so simple, until Moveon.org, Code Pink, and all the Mercy Givers, feel good liberals (who just know it's our fault) get involved.

Hey, libtard, why not do us all a favor and NOT REPRODUCE! You should you know, because it will reduce the 'over' population of the earth, reduce global warming, 'conserve' valuable natural resources, and save indangered animals. Better yet, kill yourselves NOW and increase the benefit to the earth.

**rant: off**
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
"...First of all, it was not a "war" but a fight against pirates..."

Still tying up into knots.


"...Third- you better pray that "Constitutional Purists" take the day in the present world, before the US sinks completely into a communist hell-hole...:

Good point! Unfortunately the purists persist in looking 'strange', kind of like Libertarians so nobody listens to them.
 

Ender

Inactive
"...First of all, it was not a "war" but a fight against pirates..."

Still tying up into knots.


"...Third- you better pray that "Constitutional Purists" take the day in the present world, before the US sinks completely into a communist hell-hole...:

Good point! Unfortunately the purists persist in looking 'strange', kind of like Libertarians so nobody listens to them.

Strange....I always thought YOU were a little strange, Troke...so you must be a Constitutionalist after all!

;)
 

NWPhotog

Veteran Member
There's a great movie in all of this.

:popcorn1:

Good history lesson.

May not be great, but I like it

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Plot

In 1904, Morocco is the source of conflict by the powers of Imperial Germany, France, and the British Empire, all of whom are trying to establish a sphere of influence in that country. Mulai Ahmed er Raisuli (Sean Connery) is the leader of a band of Berber insurrectionists opposed to Sultan Abdelaziz (Marc Zuber) and his uncle, the Bashaw (Pasha) of Tangier (Vladek Sheybal), whom Raisuli sees as corrupt and beholden to the Europeans. He kidnaps Eden Perdicaris (Candice Bergen) and her children, William (Simon Harrison) and Jennifer (Polly Gottesman) from their home, after murdering Sir Joshua Smith (Billy Williams, the film's cinematographer), a British friend of Eden's. Raisuli then issues an outrageous ransom demand, deliberately attempting to provoke an international incident in order to embarrass the Sultan and trigger civil war.

Back in the United States, President Theodore Roosevelt (Brian Keith) is struggling for re-election, and decides to seize the kidnapping as both a political tool (coining the phrase "Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!") and as an effort to flex America's military muscle as a new power - despite the protests of his cautious Secretary of State, John Hay (John Huston). The American Consul to Tangier, Samuel Gummere (Geoffrey Lewis), is unable to negotiate a peaceful return of the hostages, so Roosevelt sends the South Atlantic Squadron, under the command of Admiral French Ensor Chadwick (Roy Jenson), to Tangier, either to retrieve Perdicaris themselves or to force the Sultan to give in to Raisuli's demands. Over the course of the story, however, Roosevelt finds himself gaining more and more respect for Raisuli, thinking him an honorable man who just happens to be his enemy.

The Perdicarises are held as hostages by the Raisuli in the Rif, far out of reach of any potential rescue. Though her children seem to admire Raisuli, Eden finds him "a brigand and a lout", and the two engage in much verbal banter, as well as several chess matches.
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The Perdicarises attempt an escape, helped by one of Raisuli's men, but they are betrayed and turned over to a gang of desert thieves. Luckily, Raisuli has tracked them and kills the Perdicarises' kidnappers. He then reveals that he has no intention of harming the Perdicarises, and is merely bluffing. Eden and Raisuli then begin to fall in love as Raisuli reveals his story - that he was once betrayed and captured by his brother, the Bashaw, and held in inhumane conditions in a dungeon for several years.

Finally, Gummere, Chadwick and his aide, Marine Captain Jerome (Steve Kanaly), tire of the Sultan's perfidy and the meddling of the European powers and decide to engage in "military intervention" to force the Sultan to negotiate. Jerome's company of Marines, supported by a small detachment of sailors, march through the streets of Tangier, much to the surprise and chagrin of the European legations, and overwhelm the Bashaw's palace guard, taking the latter hostage and forcing him to negotiate.

Under such coercion, the Bashaw finally agrees to give into the Raisuli's demands, but during a hostage exchange, Raisuli is double-crossed and captured by German, French and Moroccan troops under the command of Von Roerkel (Antoine Saint-John), while Jerome and a small contingent of Marines are present to secure the Perdicarises. While Raisuli's friend, the Sherif of Wazan (Nadim Sawalha), organizes the Berber tribe for an attack on the Europeans and the Moroccan, Eden convinces Jerome and his men to rescue the Raisuli. A three-way battle results, in which the Berbers and Americans team up to defeat the Germans, the French and their Moroccan allies, rescuing Raisuli in the process. Back in the United States, Roosevelt is cheered for this great victory, and the Perdicarises arrive safely back in Tangier. At the end of the film, Roosevelt reads a letter he received from Raisuli, comparing the two men (thus explaining the title): "I (Raisuli), like the lion, must stay in my place, while you, like the wind, will never know yours."


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