ILL IMM No longer rule of law - time for impeachment

SageRock

Veteran Member
This post today by Karl Denninger is well worth reading.

The original link is http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229609

Here is the text:

There Is No Longer A Rule Of Law


This clown needs impeachment -- now.

This is not an option for the House. Any President who willfully and wantonly refuses to faithfully execute the laws of this nation must be impeached and removed from office. It is a duty of the Congress, not an option that Congress has.

Tonight you heard Obama appeal over a young girl who "came here" and is a great student. He quoted scripture (not that I believe he has ever actually read it.) We all know Presidents don't write their own speeches in the modern day, at least we do if we have a brain in our heads.

To declare that the law will not be enforced on a blanket basis for huge groups of people because the President disagrees with the Congress -- which has the absolute right to set immigration policy -- is a complete stick in the eye to any premise of The Rule of Law that you might believe remains.

I note that to refuse to decide is still a decision, and Congress is within its rights to do exactly that. Congress has no imperative to pass anything; it acts through absence of legislation more often than it legislates, in point of fact, and this is exactly what the founders intended -- and how all Constitutional Republics that are functional operate.

I find it particularly galling that Obama cited the "innocent" child who was "caught up" in the illegal acts of his or her parents. Not only does he propose to shield the "innocent child" he also proposes to shield the actual lawbreakers, the parents, themselves as well!

This is tantamount to endorsing the taking of hostages in the form of children to force the government to grant both of you amnesty. What you should get as an adult for doing this is prison time -- first for your lawless act, and then again for taking you child hostage and using him or her in this fashion. That latter act ought to be a felony, standing alone.

But tonight Obama instead celebrates it.

Well, tell that to the actual innocent people who have had their property stolen under "civil forfeiture" yet they're never charged. Double standard? It's worse than that -- it's just a complete absence of anything that could be called The Rule of Law at all -- it's not even vestigal in the United States any more.

So here you go folks -- if the Congress will not immediately impeach, and you know they won't, then they're going along with it. And that means that there is not just a lawless President in Washington DC there are 536 lawless individuals and their minions comprising the entirety of the executive and legislative branches that have decided that THERE IS NO MORE RULE OF LAW IN AMERICA.

We've seen literal hundreds of examples over the last few years and I've written about many.

My only remaining point of amazement is that this nation's citizens are willing to put up with it.
 

emporer13

Contributing Member
Maybe some of the states will pass laws to somehow penalize companies that hire these illegal/quasi-legal folks suffer financially. That way it is a state thing and Obama will have a harder time tying it to national republicans.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I thought perhaps we could recall the bozos who won't impeach and the remaining dems that weren't up for election to make a point that citizens want impeachment. But no.

https://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid='0E,*PL[:#0

Recall of Legislators and the Removal of Members of Congress from Office

Summary
Under the United States Constitution and congressional practice, Members of Congress may have
their services ended prior to the normal expiration of their constitutionally established terms of
office by their resignation or death, or by action of the house of Congress in which they are a
Member by way of an “expulsion,” or by a finding that in accepting a subsequent “incompatible”
public office, the Member would be deemed to have vacated his congressional seat.

Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed
from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from
the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal
vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting.

While there are no specific grounds for an expulsion expressed in the Constitution, expulsion
actions in both the House and the Senate have generally concerned cases of perceived disloyalty
to the United States, or the conviction of a criminal statutory offense which involved abuse of
one’s official position. Each house has broad authority as to the grounds, nature, timing, and
procedure for an expulsion of a Member. However, policy considerations, as opposed to questions
of authority, have appeared to restrain the Senate and House in the exercise of expulsion when it
might be considered as infringing on the electoral process, such as when the electorate knew of
the past misconduct under consideration and still elected or re-elected the Member.

As to removal by recall, the United States Constitution does not provide for nor authorize the
recall of United States officers such as Senators, Representatives, or the President or Vice
President, and thus no Member of Congress has ever been recalled in the history of the United
States. The recall of Members was considered during the time of the drafting of the federal
Constitution in 1787, but no such provisions were included in the final version sent to the states
for ratification, and the specific drafting and ratifying debates indicate an express understanding
of the framers and ratifiers that no right or power to recall a Senator or Representative in
Congress exists under the Constitution. Although the Supreme Court has not needed to directly
address the subject of recall of Members of Congress, other Supreme Court decisions, as well as
the weight of other judicial and administrative decisions, rulings, and opinions, indicate that (1)
the right to remove a Member of Congress before the expiration of his or her constitutionally
established term of office is one which resides exclusively in each house of Congress as expressly
delegated in the expulsion clause of the United States Constitution, and (2) the length and number
of the terms of office for federal officials, established and agreed upon by the states in the
Constitution creating that federal government, may not be unilaterally changed by an individual
state, such as through the enactment of a recall provision or a term limitation for a United States
Senator or Representative. Under Supreme Court constitutional interpretation, since individual
states never had the original sovereign authority to unilaterally change the terms and conditions of
service of federal officials agreed to and established in the Constitution, such a power could not
be “reserved” under the Tenth Amendment. Even the dissenters in the Supreme Court decision on
the Tenth Amendment and term limits, who would have found a “reserved” authority in the states
regarding “qualifications” of Members of Congress, conceded that the exclusive authority to
remove a sitting Member is delegated to each house in the expulsion clause of the Constitution,
and that with respect to “a power of recall ... the Framers denied to the States [such power] when
they specified the terms of Members of Congress.”
 

Dosadi

Brown Coat
People acknowledge no rule of law, and in the next breath say maybe someone will pass a law.

Think about it.

Have a wonderful anarchist day and visit your local agora. Go armed as there is no one looking out for you and you are subject to the whims of the ruler and the kings men.
 

maric

Short but deadly
It's time for that no good azzwipe to be arrested. If I KNEW how to do it I'd do it myself! I'm so sick & tired of his antics I'm seeing red!
 

Doat

Veteran Member
When are people going to wake up? There is no rule of law, only what THEY say it is. If its not on the books they will make it up as they need them.
 

pirate9933

Veteran Member
Well I always read here about the black on black crime.
In san antonio when I hear about shootings, murders and violent crimes it's either one or the other.
nooo, not white on white.
nooo, not asian on asian.

It's either black on black, hispanic on hispanic, black on hispanic or hispanic on black.

That's everyday crap. Once in a while a while a white person may be involved.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
The line has been crossed.

The gauntlet thrown down.

We either take this as an actionable item or as lemmings we march off the cliffs.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I note that to refuse to decide is still a decision, and Congress is within its rights to do exactly that. Congress has no imperative to pass anything; it acts through absence of legislation more often than it legislates, in point of fact, and this is exactly what the founders intended -- and how all Constitutional Republics that are functional operate.

The operative words are bolded. Congress hasn't been functional for a long time, since the senate has been hijacked. As for existing laws, they are there precisely to be enforced -- or for Congress to repeal/remove them. Like compost, the laws have been tossed willy-nilly on to the pile, that's never been turned and now...

you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Both things are illegal or legal at the whim of the person who occupies the white house.
 

NoPlugsNM

Deceased
The President, Congress, the Supreme Court, Attorneys General, Sheriffs, etc, in essence ALL our electeds are supposed to be the poster boys/girls for the rule of law. IF they are sitting back and not engaging our rule of law, then they are telling us it no longer exists. IF the rule of law no longer exists, technically everyone can ignore the rule of law and do as they damn well please. Make your own rules as you go along, it IS now a Burger King rule of law, you CAN have it your way


NP
 
The President, Congress, the Supreme Court, Attorneys General, Sheriffs, etc, in essence ALL our electeds are supposed to be the poster boys/girls for the rule of law. IF they are sitting back and not engaging our rule of law, then they are telling us it no longer exists. IF the rule of law no longer exists, technically everyone can ignore the rule of law and do as they damn well please. Make your own rules as you go along, it IS now a Burger King rule of law, you CAN have it your way


NP

Ditto to that! And if some highwayman who hides under a badge says otherwise I stick a gun up his nose and pull the trigger. Fug 'em!!!!
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
The thing is, we aren't 'not under the rule of law'. We are 'not under the rule of Law'. Upper-case Law is the Law embodied in the Bible, and (somewhat less perfectly) in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Lower-case law is the rule of man. We are now in an oligarchy, devolving towards robber-barons, or 'evolving' towards total tyranny from above. Which it is may depend on where we live.

Kathleen
 
The thing is, we aren't 'not under the rule of law'. We are 'not under the rule of Law'. Upper-case Law is the Law embodied in the Bible, and (somewhat less perfectly) in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Lower-case law is the rule of man. We are now in an oligarchy, devolving towards robber-barons, or 'evolving' towards total tyranny from above. Which it is may depend on where we live.

Kathleen

The endemic violence of the narcogangs in Mexico is just around the corner for every square mile of the United States. The narcogangs are already moving north at a rapid pace. Obummer's edict will accelerate that trend. It is months away not years.
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
It's time for that no good azzwipe to be arrested. If I KNEW how to do it I'd do it myself! I'm so sick & tired of his antics I'm seeing red!

Treason against a nation is such a dangerous act, no impeachment is necessary. Congress may not decide if and or when and Impeachment will take place, the sovereign tells congress when they must act, the people are the sovereign. No, treason is very different and only requires:

Section 3 also requires the testimony of two different witnesses on the same overt act, or a confession by the accused in open court, to convict for treason. This rule was derived from an older English statute, the Treason Act 1695.[15]

Now this so called president has illegally sanctioned an invasion which is "aiding and abetting and enemy". Any two americans can come forward and testify to his act of treason and Congress must have him arrested AND he will be tried in a court of law. Anyone with a brain should know you must not leave a treasonous leader on the thrown to continue his treasonous acts while a lengthy impeachment process is in play.

Oh, I hear it now, "but they wont listen"............well it is time to decide, either have a serious turn out in the millions that stay, rain sleet or snow, demanding his removal from office NOW or go to the mats. The time for discussion is well over.
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
The President, Congress, the Supreme Court, Attorneys General, Sheriffs, etc, in essence ALL our electeds are supposed to be the poster boys/girls for the rule of law. IF they are sitting back and not engaging our rule of law, then they are telling us it no longer exists. IF the rule of law no longer exists, technically everyone can ignore the rule of law and do as they damn well please. Make your own rules as you go along, it IS now a Burger King rule of law, you CAN have it your way


NP

Well, this looks good on paper. problem being this corrupt ungodly fed gov has put into place all kinds of protections for their lawlessness and 99% of those protections mean swat and bullet to the head should anyone attempt to not comply with their "make it up as they go " new amerikan law.
 
Well, this looks good on paper. problem being this corrupt ungodly fed gov has put into place all kinds of protections for their lawlessness and 99% of those protections mean swat and bullet to the head should anyone attempt to not comply with their "make it up as they go " new amerikan law.

What do you think the founders of our country faced? Freedom is not free. At some point as we go down this road an insurgency, (organized or chaotic), is the only way to keep from being strangled to death, beaten into submission.
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
Not going to happen! Gutless Senate and Congress.

Not necessarily gutless. Rather, the numbers in the Senate who would vote to convict are simply not there. Conviction requires two thirds of the vote (67) in the Senate.

A slight chance after the first of the new year. No way before that.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, this looks good on paper. problem being this corrupt ungodly fed gov has put into place all kinds of protections for their lawlessness and 99% of those protections mean swat and bullet to the head should anyone attempt to not comply with their "make it up as they go " new amerikan law.

You are absolutely right of course. We are very Stalinist within our government and how we treat our citizens. Those that hold power will not let that go easy. Remember that Stalin is credited with killing 60 million people and he died quietly of natural causes. Be ready to defend yourself with whatever you may have available until death because that is what awaits you.
 
You are absolutely right of course. We are very Stalinist within our government and how we treat our citizens. Those that hold power will not let that go easy. Remember that Stalin is credited with killing 60 million people and he died quietly of natural causes. Be ready to defend yourself with whatever you may have available until death because that is what awaits you.

And not defending yourself will not save you. You will go to the coming American Gulag. Just visiting this site will guarantee that at some point they will come for you.
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
What do you think the founders of our country faced? Freedom is not free. At some point as we go down this road an insurgency, (organized or chaotic), is the only way to keep from being strangled to death, beaten into submission.


Don't misunderstand my position, I and most of us know we must fight it now, no other choice. I'm simply stating what we are up against. A smart people would have engaged their tyranny well before it had all it's troops and canons in place. We did not do so and will now face the enemy on their ground and on their terms at least in the beginning. Sadly many in the beginning who will stand will be lost. I believe the tide will turn against the enemy in short order after that. We must first have our Bowling Green.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And not defending yourself will not save you. You will go to the coming American Gulag. Just visiting this site will guarantee that at some point they will come for you.
We on this board are all on the list. Don't kid yourself. Be ready. By the way I just made another list because I just got the computer broke phone call. I told the alien talking to me I had computer problems with pop ups showing Mohammed humping pigs and it was driving me nuts. Dead silence on the other end. You make one list you might as well make them all.
 
We on this board are all on the list. Don't kid yourself. Be ready. By the way I just made another list because I just got the computer broke phone call. I told the alien talking to me I had computer problems with pop ups showing Mohammed humping pigs and it was driving me nuts. Dead silence on the other end. You make one list you might as well make them all.

:lkick:

I have lost track of the "lists" that I have probably made. I am in "tanker country" anyway, (as Jim Rawles puts it). I will do a little (or a lot) of attrition for you guys engaged in urban warfare or sniping up in the mountains.

And I will be happy to do it.
 

Suzieq

Veteran Member
It is time to stand up! Time to speak out! Time to get involved!

The lawlessness of this president and his cabinet has went on to long! Call your congressman and your Senators today! Tell them you want impeachment of the president and removal of his cabinet immediately! They have proven themselves to be the enemy of the states and cannot be trusted. They need to be tried for treason!

This has been going on to long. Do this for your children, your grandchildren, yourself and for America! We have been taken over and we need to take our country back!

Do you know about the gun treaty that's going into effect December 24, 2014?

Come on people, get off your backside and start calling now!

SusieQ
 
It is time to stand up! Time to speak out! Time to get involved!

The lawlessness of this president and his cabinet has went on to long! Call your congressman and your Senators today! Tell them you want impeachment of the president and removal of his cabinet immediately! They have proven themselves to be the enemy of the states and cannot be trusted. They need to be tried for treason!

This has been going on to long. Do this for your children, your grandchildren, yourself and for America! We have been taken over and we need to take our country back!

Do you know about the gun treaty that's going into effect December 24, 2014?

Come on people, get off your backside and start calling now!

SusieQ

I scorched the phone lines this morning. We may have to think about organizing multiple mass protests at each State capitol. Now is the time to agitate and keep agitating. And if a spark comes along, make sure your powder is dry.
 
Obummer will keep kicking in rotten doors, if we don't resist fiercely.

He is like Hitler in this regard. Hitler kept testing and kept going bigger.
 
Dear Lord,

Give us one more chance. Deliver us from this monster. You don't need to destroy us to make us understand. More are understanding every day. If you wait much longer, there may be no way back to the last best hope that the world ever had.

Amen.
 

maric

Short but deadly
Treason against a nation is such a dangerous act, no impeachment is necessary. Congress may not decide if and or when and Impeachment will take place, the sovereign tells congress when they must act, the people are the sovereign. No, treason is very different and only requires:



Now this so called president has illegally sanctioned an invasion which is "aiding and abetting and enemy". Any two americans can come forward and testify to his act of treason and Congress must have him arrested AND he will be tried in a court of law. Anyone with a brain should know you must not leave a treasonous leader on the thrown to continue his treasonous acts while a lengthy impeachment process is in play.

Oh, I hear it now, "but they wont listen"............well it is time to decide, either have a serious turn out in the millions that stay, rain sleet or snow, demanding his removal from office NOW or go to the mats. The time for discussion is well over.


And I AM willing to stand before CONgress. I need another person to stand with me then. I've had ENOUGH!
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Of course, we have choices. To obey is one and apparently the option of choice for Congress and people unhappy with Mr. Obama. It is ok to bitch , moan, rant, whine, even if no one stays around to listen.
To impeach is the Constitutional remedy and convict if Mr. Obama is found guilty. It is presumptuous and vain to claim to know the outcome before the event.
The 'lawsuit' option a waste of time, and a diversion, a sound signifying nothing. If Congress gets any standing, venue and litigated, and I doubt that it will reach that stage, Mr. Obama may well be into his third term, and any vague guidance by the Courts shown to be moot. An endless series of inter-branch lawsuits is untenable as a concept, with multitudes of suits clogging up the Judicial system and enriching every lawyer that may have taken a Constitutional Law class.
I suggest that 'they' may not come for us, but use modern technology and have us come to them. The scheme exposed by Mr. Snowden may make us all into good citizens. No internet, no cell phone, no credit cards, no bank accounts, no retirement or Social Security,no mail, no prescriptions, no hospital, no ambulance, no power, no legal weddings or births or deaths, no friends and few family that want to get enmeshed the the wheels of Obama justice. All these things are possible now, with just a few keystrokes, done in minutes, very minor hard pencil expense,no gunfire or bloody mess, Divorce may be available if one spouse wants to take the kids and leave Dodge City. Many people who choose isolation commit suicide.
And one would take arms against who or what? ..A secretary or a mailbox and accomplish nothing but a murder of an innocent person or some minor property damage?
If there is a non violent remedy to the crimes of Mr. Obama, it will be impeachment. But that takes work and courage.
And the Mainstream Republicans are so cowed that the men moo and have udders.
SS
 

knickgnat

Veteran Member
What about a "five million" american march on Washington? Think this might catch Obama's attention?

Calling representatives who don't listen to us is useless. We must make an impression that they or the media cannot ignore.
 

shoddy61

Inactive
knickgnat,
You need to round them up. I don't think we could find 5 thousand for a march, much less 5 million.
sonny
 

Baloo

Veteran Member
Impeachment is a waste of time. GOP can impeach, yes but the trial in Senate needs 2/3. GOP not have that.

Also, media/schools/hollywood/unions will be 24/7 attack mode. It will kill any chance of 2016 GOP President.

The real problem is half the country wants this (and with Amnesty probably more than half). Its a result of O winning election (twice).

If you want someone to blame, blame the O voters and people who stayed home and people who voted third party---they caused this!

The solution is a GOP President in 2016 who is really conservative and will reverse all O's executive orders. And, more conservative senators who can vote with the House to overturn these bad laws.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
The people living here back when it was only 13 colony's had much the same problem's with the crown and parliament and had to take matters into their own hands.
 

Border Collie

Deceased
Ho hum, this is nothing new. There are not enough people that care about the time of law to make a difference, IMHO.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/07/05/us/true-to-form-clinton-shifts-energies-back-to-us-focus.html

With some of his closest advisers deeply pessimistic about the chances of getting major legislation passed during the rest of the year, Mr. Clinton plans to issue a series of executive orders to demonstrate that he can still be effective.

''Stroke of the pen,'' Paul Begala, an aide to Mr. Clinton, said in summarizing the approach. ''Law of the land. Kind of cool.''
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
And I AM willing to stand before CONgress. I need another person to stand with me then. I've had ENOUGH!

A lot of us are willing to stand before Congress. But what qualifications would those people have to have in order for Congress to listen to them, to agree that those people have 'legal standing' to make the accusation of treason against the President of the United States?

Kathleen
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I suggest that 'they' may not come for us, but use modern technology and have us come to them. The scheme exposed by Mr. Snowden may make us all into good citizens. No internet, no cell phone, no credit cards, no bank accounts, no retirement or Social Security,no mail, no prescriptions, no hospital, no ambulance, no power, no legal weddings or births or deaths, no friends and few family that want to get enmeshed the the wheels of Obama justice. All these things are possible now, with just a few keystrokes, done in minutes, very minor hard pencil expense,no gunfire or bloody mess,

SS

Does this remind you of the place in the book of Revelations where it says, "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." (Revelations 13:16, 17).

And yes, I think that is exactly how they will try to control the population. We may be the guinea pigs for the later One World project.

Kathleen
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
The HNIC's "impeachment insurance":

joe-biden-sotu.jpg
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
the time for impeachment should have been when the dope produced a phony birth certificate.

America is being judged and all the corruption that we are witnessing in the government theater is merely a product of a drugged up, sold out, materialistic society that lost interest in "responsibility" - (their own and their leaders") - a long time ago.

fear not those who can kill the body, rather, fear Him who can destroy the soul.

time to turn this Titannic ship of state around passed at least 100 years ago.

the emporor is a puppet, and phony to the max, and a christ-hater to boot.

surely we all understand that by now.

it really is time to grasp the meaning of Psalm 91, and not give in to despair...
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When that SOB couldn't prove citizenship, he should have been impeached then...

Maranatha

OldArcher

P.S. SOB- Son of Beelzebub...
 
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