No Discussion of Florida Primary?

[FREEBIRD]

Thought it odd no one here is discussing the primary results in FL.

Shows what a yawner the GOP process has become.

My two cents: Romney did everything as expected (he has it in the bag and he knows it). Gingrich's speech was grandiose, and the promise of multiple executive orders "when" he becomes president was not comforting (intent of such orders notwithstanding).

 

[dogmanan]

Yea I though the same thing.

Romney is no different then o'man, well he is instead of being half white he is all white, that's about it.

We are so screwed.

 

[PghPanther]

What's the point?

The elite have it determined.......we just get to pick which poison it will be.

 

[fairbanksb]

Romney will be the nominee. I have said that from the beginning. He is the chosen one. The candidate I voted for got a whole 7% of the vote. Last place.

 

[TerryK]

The primary shows that who ever has the money to flood the airwaves with negative ads will win.
For every one Gingrich add, I saw at least 10 Romney ads. I saw maybe one ad for Santorum and none for Ron Paul.
For the majority of ignorant voters the ads work.

As someone else said, Romney has pretty much bought the nomination.

When he goes up against Obama, Obama will outspend him at least 3 to 1 with a much more sophisticated series of both negative and positive ads.
The media who have previously been defending Romney will suddenly decide that all the negative things the other candidates were trying to point out about him are true after all.
Romney will be crushed in the election and our country's journey into socialism will then be complete within 6 months.

Better start now planning how you will survive.

 

[workerbee]

RP wasn't planning on focusing here in Flalala and our delegate vote was cut due to the idiots deciding to move up our primary.

Just FYI.

 

[Foothiller]

Have to agree with Terryk.

Goldman Sachs is the #2 contributor to Obama, and #1 for Romney.

That should tell you all need to know about Romney and who sponsors him and to whom he owes 'favors'.

Americans don't want the truth. And they don't seem to care much for liberty either. All they seem to want is platitudes and promises (not unlike those who voted for the empty banker-owned suit in 2008). And to keep getting their free S**T. Corporations want their tax cuts and subsidies, poor people want their unemployment and medicaid, old people want their SS and medicare, defense contractors want their wars and their no-bid contracts, and young people seem to want free college educations. Nobody wants to give up their piece of the pie. They all want someone else to foot their bills. That's what it looks like to me anyway.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH! That must not be common knowledge in this country.

How many campaign promises did Obama keep?

Why should anyone believe that Romney or the disgraced unethical Gingrich would be any different?

The destructive core policies of this government will not change no matter which party holds power. Those policies haven't in 40 years and it would be naive to believe they will this time.

 

[fairbanksb]

RP wasn't planning on focusing here in Flalala and our delegate vote was cut due to the idiots deciding to move up our primary.

Just FYI.

I don't see what difference that makes. If you want your vote to go to a certain candidate it should make no difference whether he or she campaigns there or not. You are either voting for them or you're not. Even though the delegate count was cut in half it is still 50 delegates. That is still more than in many of the other States.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Romney is scum. Gingrich is scum. Both are globalists. Both will continue shepherding the decline of America into totalitarianism.

What's to discuss?

 

[workerbee]

I don't see what difference that makes. If you want your vote to go to a certain candidate it should make no difference whether he or she campaigns there or not. You are either voting for them or you're not. Even though the delegate count was cut in half it is still 50 delegates. That is still more than in many of the other States.

No argument from me, just pointing out a few things those not in Flalala may not be aware of.

 

[VesperSparrow]

I voted early changed to a NO PARTY status then heard Ron Paul say that the delegate votes are what REALLY COUNTS..
Now why even frickin VOTE if that's the case?

 

[Rabbit]

Just watching Plastic Frantastic, anothr rich politician buy an election.

 

[Hacker]

Florida is filled with narrow minded old people who moved down from the northeast - Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey. Hardly representative of the US.

Let's see what happens when we get to the western states.

 

[Ender]

Thought it odd no one here is discussing the primary results in FL.

Shows what a yawner the GOP process has become.

My two cents: Romney did everything as expected (he has it in the bag and he knows it). Gingrich's speech was grandiose, and the promise of multiple executive orders "when" he becomes president was not comforting (intent of such orders notwithstanding).

Florida is a winner-take-all state. The RP people knew that and are busy in other states that show a strong following for RP. We all knew it would be Romney, so there's really nothing to talk about.

 

[knepper]

The wing of the Republican Party that sees the Tea Party as the enemy is apparently going to foist its candidate on us again. I am very discouraged. Perhaps God has in mind to judge this nation, by giving us four more years of a Communist dictatorship. It's true that the party self-destructed, and it's true that Obama encouraged the process. But in the final analysis, alot of Floridians pulled the lever for a RINO.

 

[Dennis Olson]

You're talking about the neocons. Yes, they are.

 

[rhughe13]

I think RP should switch over to the Democratic Party and run against Obama, then Romney.

 

[rhughe13]

1144 Total Delegates

Florida 30 Delegates

Romney 80
Gingrich 18
Santorum 13
Paul 3
Huntsman 2

 

[Ender]

1144 Total Delegates

Florida 30 Delegates

Romney 80
Gingrich 18
Santorum 13
Paul 3
Huntsman 2

The delegate count is not sealed in cement nor is it accurate; here is an explanation from the Ron Paul Forums:

Here's the "hard" delegate count:
Romney: 59 (FL - 50, NH - 7, SC - 2)
Gingrich: 23 (SC - 23)
Paul: 3 (NH - 3)
Huntsman: 2 (NH - 2)

Additionally, I thought I read somewhere that certain party leaders had pledged for Romney already. Note that every state has three delegates for state party leaders (unless penalized by the RNC, which is the case for some of these early voting states), and they are free to publicly support any candidate. So certain calculations may include those delegates. I'd be grateful to anyone who knows where to find this info.

What makes things hazy is Iowa. There are 28 delegates there. Zero have been awarded so far, and they won't be until June. Right now, the media basically takes the straw poll vote and projects the delegates based on that. So the breakdown of Iowa is like this:

Santorum: 7
Romney: 7
Paul: 7
Gingrich: 4
Perry: 3

So the question is... how did the various media outlets go from the hard total above to the numbers that they are projecting?

First, some media outlets may have already given Huntsman's delegates to Romney. Technically, a pledged delegate cannot be subsequently pledged to someone else. Also, Huntsman SUSPENDED his campaign, which is different from ending it. So they are still his. Once he ends his campaign officially, then they are free to go to ANYBODY. They do not have to follow his lead and go to Romney, whom JH endorsed.

Santorum at 14 and Paul at 3 means that WSJ took ALL of Paul's projected Iowa delegates and gave them to Santorum. That's bs.

Paul at 10 and Santorum at 8 means that (probably) CNN took Perry's 3 Iowa delegates (since he dropped out) and divided them among the four remaining candidates. Hmm, guess who got the short straw on that one. Again, bs, but less then the above bs.

While I agree with previous posters that it is all projection at this point, we should totally call these media a**holes on their contrived methods. If they are going to project a state like Iowa, then ****ing do it consistently, or don't include it in the totals.

 

[rhughe13]

The delegate count is not sealed in cement nor is it accurate; here is an explanation from the Ron Paul Forums:

Here's the "hard" delegate count:
Romney: 59 (FL - 50, NH - 7, SC - 2)
Gingrich: 23 (SC - 23)
Paul: 3 (NH - 3)
Huntsman: 2 (NH - 2)

Additionally, I thought I read somewhere that certain party leaders had pledged for Romney already. Note that every state has three delegates for state party leaders (unless penalized by the RNC, which is the case for some of these early voting states), and they are free to publicly support any candidate. So certain calculations may include those delegates. I'd be grateful to anyone who knows where to find this info.

What makes things hazy is Iowa. There are 28 delegates there. Zero have been awarded so far, and they won't be until June. Right now, the media basically takes the straw poll vote and projects the delegates based on that. So the breakdown of Iowa is like this:

Santorum: 7
Romney: 7
Paul: 7
Gingrich: 4
Perry: 3

So the question is... how did the various media outlets go from the hard total above to the numbers that they are projecting?

First, some media outlets may have already given Huntsman's delegates to Romney. Technically, a pledged delegate cannot be subsequently pledged to someone else. Also, Huntsman SUSPENDED his campaign, which is different from ending it. So they are still his. Once he ends his campaign officially, then they are free to go to ANYBODY. They do not have to follow his lead and go to Romney, whom JH endorsed.

Santorum at 14 and Paul at 3 means that WSJ took ALL of Paul's projected Iowa delegates and gave them to Santorum. That's bs.

Paul at 10 and Santorum at 8 means that (probably) CNN took Perry's 3 Iowa delegates (since he dropped out) and divided them among the four remaining candidates. Hmm, guess who got the short straw on that one. Again, bs, but less then the above bs.

While I agree with previous posters that it is all projection at this point, we should totally call these media a**holes on their contrived methods. If they are going to project a state like Iowa, then ****ing do it consistently, or don't include it in the totals.

Thanks Ender, good to know. I picked those numbers up from the MSM on tv after the votes.

 

[NC Susan]

In the fourth consecutive nominating state election for the 2012 Republican presidential candidacy, Not-Romney made it four wins in a row. In Florida, a swing state with a higher percentage of moderate voters than previous states, Romney still lost.

Not-Romney has won each state with the following percentages:
Iowa 75%,
New Hampshire 61%,
South Carolina 72%, and
Florida 54%.
Conservatives still dominate the Republican electorate.

The problem is there is no candidate named Not-Romney.

The sooner conservatives understand this the more likely a conservative will win the nomination. The conservative voters have split their vote for four consecutive primaries. If you are a conservative voter, you need to decide whether you want your vote to be a vote for victory. A protest vote or a vote for a candidate just because you like them best is just another vote in the minority and is a vote for conservatives to lose. Don't throw away your vote. Vote to defeat the elites and elect a conservative.

The growing frustration between the larger conservative base and the Republican establishment elites is growing palpable. And there are folks who are deciding that they are no longer going to give support to those currently in power and will bow out of the process. Just read the comments sections of your favorite conservative website for a few examples. That does not bode well for the general election.

A nominee more conservative than Romney can still win. But it has to be one candidate. And the consolidation has to happen now. If they want to defeat Romney, conservatives have to unite and vote for the conservative who will actually defeat Romney.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/02/not-romney_wins_again.html

 

[bad_karma00]

You know, I still have a feeling there's an apple cart somewhere about to be upset. Can't explain it, just a feeling. No one, that is no one, is satisfied with the current crop of candidates. I mean, they aren't exactly anything to write home about, IMO.

Neither Romney nor Gingrich are really setting anyone on fire. So far Santorum is plucky, sticking in there, but that doesn't win elections.

And the media is still firmly pretending that Ron Paul doesn't exist. I admit, of the four still in the race at this point, I would be likely to vote RP. I won't, unless he promises not to privatize TVA, but that aside, (since Ender kindly pointed me to RP's statement about the Park Service, thanks Ender) I'd be very likely to vote for him. I do like RP, but even a hint at privatizing TVA is a deal breaker with me.

Will another candidate show up? I don't see how one can, unless it's on a third party type ballot, and yet the feeling persists. Maybe it's a harbinger. I don't know.

As to the Fla Primary, I agree with most who say there's simply nothing to discuss. It went like everyone expected, and there it is.

In RP's defense, why campaign in a primary where it's winner take all, if you know you can't carry the state? It's wasted resources, and time. He used both to better effect in places where he stands to pick up delegates. Smart move, IMO.

 

[RJC]

Romney spent 17,000,000 in FL. Does Romney have ½ to ¾ of a billion to produce 65 ads to every 1 by Gingrich?

Romney 65 ads for every 1 by Gingrich and he won by 14 percent.

Splendor in the grass, glory in the flower but grieve not for the flower doth wilt. And the winnower doth come

 

[Kathy in FL]

RP wasn't planning on focusing here in Flalala and our delegate vote was cut due to the idiots deciding to move up our primary.

Just FYI.

I've seen two RP signs and both of them were hand made. There is no RP presence on the major universities in this area this time around. Frankly I don't think RP gives a carp about Florida this time around either.

 

[Dennis Olson]

If you are a conservative voter, you need to decide whether you want your vote to be a vote for victory. A protest vote or a vote for a candidate just because you like them best is just another vote in the minority and is a vote for conservatives to lose. Don't throw away your vote. Vote to defeat the elites and elect a conservative.

Show me a conservative other than RP in the field. Come on, I dare you....

 

[Racing22]

If you are a conservative voter, you need to decide whether you want your vote to be a vote for victory. A protest vote or a vote for a candidate just because you like them best is just another vote in the minority and is a vote for conservatives to lose. Don't throw away your vote. Vote to defeat the elites and elect a conservative.

Show me a conservative other than RP in the field. Come on, I dare you....

I think in the BIG picture people are taking a critical look at ALL the candidates..... and don't like what they see.

Come on, when you look at the current resident in the WH and then look at the 4 running on the other side, all I can say is REALLY!!!

In a country of 330 million people, this is the best we can come up with, these 4 +1 is the best the country can produce?? When you look at the choices we have, I don't see a lot of optimism........

 

[rhughe13]

In a country of 330 million people, this is the best we can come up with, these 4 +1 is the best the country can produce?? When you look at the choices we have, I don't see a lot of optimism........

You need to remove two of those because they aren't legal to hold the office. That leaves three.

 

[Racing22]

You need to remove two of those because they aren't legal to hold the office. That leaves three.

OK, I believe I know one of them based on what's going on in Georgia, who is the other one??

 

[rhughe13]

OK, I believe I know one of them based on what's going on in Georgia, who is the other one??

Well I actually meant that both Obama and Romney aren't Natural Born Citizens. LOL. But I guess lowering the constitutional standard is easier than raising the quality standards.

 

[Ender]

I think in the BIG picture people are taking a critical look at ALL the candidates..... and don't like what they see.

Come on, when you look at the current resident in the WH and then look at the 4 running on the other side, all I can say is REALLY!!!

In a country of 330 million people, this is the best we can come up with, these 4 +1 is the best the country can produce?? When you look at the choices we have, I don't see a lot of optimism........

Ron Paul= truth, honesty, integrity, sound money, Constitution..... you can't name anyone better.

Maybe he should hire Jon Stewart as his spokesman so the dumbed downed Americans can be entertained- cause obviously, THAT's more important.

 

[Racing22]

Ron Paul= truth, honesty, integrity, sound money, Constitution..... you can't name anyone better.

Maybe he should hire Jon Stewart as his spokesman so the dumbed downed Americans can be entertained- cause obviously, THAT's more important.

Come on Ender, you're slowing down... it took you a few hours this time for you to inject a RP response to a post......

 

[Ender]

Come on Ender, you're slowing down... it took you a few hours this time for you to inject a RP response to a post......

Don't live on TB- have other interests- like getting RP elected.

 

[NC Susan]

You need to remove two of those because they aren't legal to hold the office. That leaves three.

No, only TWO - Gingrich and Paul who are American born with American born parents

Santorum dad is from Italy
Romney dad is a Mexican
Obama dad is a Brit from Africa unless it really is really Malcolm X

talks of Romney / Rubio as VP are also not legal, as Rubio's dad is from Cuba

 

[Sebastian]

Well I actually meant that both Obama and Romney aren't Natural Born Citizens. LOL. But I guess lowering the constitutional standard is easier than raising the quality standards.

Given that Willard (goldman sacks western civilization) Ronmey= Newt (slimy not quite reptile) Getrich = Mullah Santorum = Barach (goldman sacks western civilization me too) Obama, have already promised to trash the constitution - you know the one many of us have sworn to uphold and defend - and that they are not already incarcerated but rather are standing for the highest office in the land.

What does a little thing like citizenship natural born have to do with anything?