GOV/MIL NIH Director: Masks 'Still Important' Post-Vaccination, 'Even If We're Overdoing It, That's Fine'

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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NIH Director: Masks 'Still Important' Post-Vaccination, 'Even If We're Overdoing It, That's Fine'
Ian Hanchett
2-2 minutes

On Wednesday’s broadcast of the Fox Business Network’s “Cavuto: Coast to Coast,” NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins stated that even after people have been vaccinated, “we don’t know exactly whether it’s still possible for that person to carry the virus. It might be, and until we have better data, then masks are still important.” And that on masks, “Even if we’re overdoing it, that’s fine. Better that than run the risk of infecting more people.”

Collins said, “t is still entirely possible for people to be out there in public who are infected with this virus and don’t know it. And the only way we’re going to keep such individuals, and it might be any of us, from spreading this is if they’re careful about wearing that mask. It’s not about protecting themselves as much as it is protecting everybody from them. Even after vaccination, we don’t know exactly whether it’s still possible for that person to carry the virus. It might be, and until we have better data, then masks are still important. I know people are tired of them. I’m tired of them too. But, at the same time, it’s a simple measure. It’s a life-saving medical device. Just put it on. Even if we’re overdoing it, that’s fine. Better that than run the risk of infecting more people.”

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Freeholder

This too shall pass.
We just got home from my daughter's medical provider -- a six-month check-up. Her 'doctor,' (actually a PA, but for daughter's sake we just say doctor) and I had a good conversation about the masks and everything, and she is just as fed-up as any of us here. She said, the masks are not doing any good, and they are doing a great deal of harm. She also said that OD's are way up, at least in our area, and when I mentioned that I'd heard suicides were also way up, she nodded and said she didn't have statistics on suicides, but it seemed like we were having about as many of those as there are OD's. She is very worried about people in any kind of long-term care facility -- nursing homes, cancer wards, etc. She said that people are losing hope and just giving up and dying even when they shouldn't be dying, because of the isolation from friends and family. And people are dying because of not getting diagnosed and treated quickly enough for things like cancer. And then there is the issue of people like my oldest daughter, who has asthma and is required to wear a mask at work all day. It's making her asthma a lot worse; our PA said that it's making a lot of conditions worse to be wearing masks all the time.

So, to cavalierly claim that wearing masks isn't doing any harm is so very wrong. They are doing a great deal of harm.

And before anyone here jumps on me for not wearing masks -- if YOU feel vulnerable, YOU wear a mask. We are not wearing masks anyplace we don't absolutely have to (like inside the doctor's offices, and she only requires it because the state would shut her down if people didn't wear masks there).

Kathleen
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
And before anyone here jumps on me for not wearing masks -- if YOU feel vulnerable, YOU wear a mask. We are not wearing masks anyplace we don't absolutely have to (like inside the doctor's offices, and she only requires it because the state would shut her down if people didn't wear masks there).

Quite right, ma'am. Up here in Michigan Whitmer's gone mask-goofy; everywhere requires it to one degree or another and she'll throw every lawyer she's got at anyone who won't.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
We just got home from my daughter's medical provider -- a six-month check-up. Her 'doctor,' (actually a PA, but for daughter's sake we just say doctor) and I had a good conversation about the masks and everything, and she is just as fed-up as any of us here. She said, the masks are not doing any good, and they are doing a great deal of harm. She also said that OD's are way up, at least in our area, and when I mentioned that I'd heard suicides were also way up, she nodded and said she didn't have statistics on suicides, but it seemed like we were having about as many of those as there are OD's. She is very worried about people in any kind of long-term care facility -- nursing homes, cancer wards, etc. She said that people are losing hope and just giving up and dying even when they shouldn't be dying, because of the isolation from friends and family. And people are dying because of not getting diagnosed and treated quickly enough for things like cancer. And then there is the issue of people like my oldest daughter, who has asthma and is required to wear a mask at work all day. It's making her asthma a lot worse; our PA said that it's making a lot of conditions worse to be wearing masks all the time.

So, to cavalierly claim that wearing masks isn't doing any harm is so very wrong. They are doing a great deal of harm.

And before anyone here jumps on me for not wearing masks -- if YOU feel vulnerable, YOU wear a mask. We are not wearing masks anyplace we don't absolutely have to (like inside the doctor's offices, and she only requires it because the state would shut her down if people didn't wear masks there).

Kathleen

Everything you wrote smacks of one giant social experiment.

My doctor told me that fungal lung and sinus infections are through the roof right now, especially with the elderly.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
IMO, masks aren't helping at all. They are allowing the power mad bureaucrats to have a feeling of control, and it allows the hidden PTB to have us all mimic their evil, satanic rituals...

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Thanks to greysage who posted this in the Q thread in Alt.

The hidden things will be revealed.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Everything you wrote smacks of one giant social experiment.

My doctor told me that fungal lung and sinus infections are through the roof right now, especially with the elderly.

That is exactly what our PA said -- that this is a really bad social experiment.

It's probably worth mentioning that she is a strong Christian, the clinic makes no bones about it being a Christian ministry.

Kathleen
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
IMO, masks aren't helping at all. They are allowing the power mad bureaucrats to have a feeling of control, and it allows the hidden PTB to have us all mimic their evil, satanic rituals...

index.php


Thanks to greysage who posted this in the Q thread in Alt.

The hidden things will be revealed.

Lord, someone fetch me my hip waders, because the woo is getting a mite THICK.

We are NOT "willingly" taking part in a Satanic ritual.

1. When you're obligated to wear a mask before entering a building, you are not "willingly" doing it. You are doing it under threat, coercion, and ostensibly protest. All willingness is gone.

2. The above-mentioned nonsense refers to a continuous distance of six feet. We're routinely more or less than that apart, so it cannot be a part of a "ritual".

3. This nonsense actually claims that hand-washing is a Satanic ritual. I won't even attempt to debunk that level of sheer insanity.
 

TammyinWI

Shocked and Awed
Lord, someone fetch me my hip waders, because the woo is getting a mite THICK.

We are NOT "willingly" taking part in a Satanic ritual.

1. When you're obligated to wear a mask before entering a building, you are not "willingly" doing it. You are doing it under threat, coercion, and ostensibly protest. All willingness is gone.

2. The above-mentioned nonsense refers to a continuous distance of six feet. We're routinely more or less than that apart, so it cannot be a part of a "ritual".

3. This nonsense actually claims that hand-washing is a Satanic ritual. I won't even attempt to debunk that level of sheer insanity.

Oh yeah? What does this look like? That is Obama.

Today I read that Bill Gates is also chiming that same tune: continue to wear a mask. They are all satanists and they want us dead.

I continue to pray against all of this stupid E-VIL often.

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Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Oh yeah? What does this look like? That is Obama.

Today I read that Bill Gates is also chiming that same tune: continue to wear a mask. They are all satanists and they want us dead.

I continue to pray against all of this stupid E-VIL often.

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You CAN'T be serious.

Maybe Obama is participating in a Satanic ritual, but we most assuredly are NOT. You can't ACCIDENTALLY participate in a Satanic ritual.
 

TammyinWI

Shocked and Awed
You CAN'T be serious.

Maybe Obama is participating in a Satanic ritual, but we most assuredly are NOT. You can't ACCIDENTALLY participate in a Satanic ritual.

I see what you are saying. There is some satisfaction that these people get by the control, and getting people to comply. We are being groomed for a one-world religion, and it ain't Christianity.

One example: what is yoga? Think people are ACCIDENTALLY participate in a Satanic ritual with that?

No arguing about it please, I wholeheartedly just want to posit that it is a religion practice, because it is.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
I see what you are saying. There is some satisfaction that these people get by the control, and getting people to comply. We are being groomed for a one-world religion, and it ain't Christianity.

One example: what is yoga? Think people are ACCIDENTALLY participate in a Satanic ritual with that?

No arguing about it please, I wholeheartedly just want to posit that it is a religion practice, because it is.

To be fair, it's bad form to ask a question and then request I not answer.

For most people, yoga is just an exercise that involves a lot of stretching and goofy poses. And that's exactly what it is...without one key element. INTENT.

There are some people out there, and we hear from them literally every December, who claim that anyone who has a Christmas tree is worshiping Satan. The notion that a Christmas tree is anything but a pleasantly-decorated conifer is unheard of to most. Are they worshiping Satan by having a tree with pretty lights on it in their parlors? Or is it impossible to worship Satan without INTENDING TO?

Better yet, give a heathen a cross and put it in their home. Are they now saved Christians? No. They lack INTENT.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
Lord, someone fetch me my hip waders, because the woo is getting a mite THICK.

We are NOT "willingly" taking part in a Satanic ritual.

1. When you're obligated to wear a mask before entering a building, you are not "willingly" doing it. You are doing it under threat, coercion, and ostensibly protest. All willingness is gone.

2. The above-mentioned nonsense refers to a continuous distance of six feet. We're routinely more or less than that apart, so it cannot be a part of a "ritual".

3. This nonsense actually claims that hand-washing is a Satanic ritual. I won't even attempt to debunk that level of sheer insanity.
There's a great deal that you do not understand about satanists that are in positions of power. They plan events and activities that mimic their rituals. It's one of the things one discovers when they begin to grasp the mindset and depravity of these people. Every year the superbowl half time show features satanic imagery and acts. It's everywhere, but most people don't see it.
If you don't agree, put the concept on the shelf and refer back to it if you ever learn the truth.
 

TammyinWI

Shocked and Awed
To be fair, it's bad form to ask a question and then request I not answer.

For most people, yoga is just an exercise that involves a lot of stretching and goofy poses. And that's exactly what it is...without one key element. INTENT.

There are some people out there, and we hear from them literally every December, who claim that anyone who has a Christmas tree is worshiping Satan. The notion that a Christmas tree is anything but a pleasantly-decorated conifer is unheard of to most. Are they worshiping Satan by having a tree with pretty lights on it in their parlors? Or is it impossible to worship Satan without INTENDING TO?

Better yet, give a heathen a cross and put it in their home. Are they now saved Christians? No. They lack INTENT.

Well, I apologize about the bad form, it was not my intent. I am just pressed for time right now on this end. But your post is important. I didn't mean for you not to answer (?)

When a person clears their mind and assumes yoga poses, it opens the portal inside that allows enhance by unclean spirits, including a kundalini spirit, which is a coiled snake demon that settles in the stomach area. This gives the enemy a foothold.

I agree about the Christmas tree, yes, it could be true- tied to ancient ritual or something.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
I see Tammy is back to “maximum woo.”
Not woo.

"Yoga originated in ancient India as a form of religious practice that later went on to become its own theological school. It is considered to be one of the six major orthodox schools of Hinduism, a strange concept on its own given that Hinduism is far more varied by nature than any of the other major world religions. Yoga as a Hindu theological school is seen as a form of mysticism, but it has the same goals as any school or tradition in Hinduism. Yogis, or yoga practitioners, aim to obtain moksha or liberation from the suffering of samsara, the cycle of birth, death and rebirth that is at the center of Hinduism."
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We just got home from my daughter's medical provider -- a six-month check-up. Her 'doctor,' (actually a PA, but for daughter's sake we just say doctor) and I had a good conversation about the masks and everything, and she is just as fed-up as any of us here. She said, the masks are not doing any good, and they are doing a great deal of harm. She also said that OD's are way up, at least in our area, and when I mentioned that I'd heard suicides were also way up, she nodded and said she didn't have statistics on suicides, but it seemed like we were having about as many of those as there are OD's. She is very worried about people in any kind of long-term care facility -- nursing homes, cancer wards, etc. She said that people are losing hope and just giving up and dying even when they shouldn't be dying, because of the isolation from friends and family. And people are dying because of not getting diagnosed and treated quickly enough for things like cancer. And then there is the issue of people like my oldest daughter, who has asthma and is required to wear a mask at work all day. It's making her asthma a lot worse; our PA said that it's making a lot of conditions worse to be wearing masks all the time.

So, to cavalierly claim that wearing masks isn't doing any harm is so very wrong. They are doing a great deal of harm.

And before anyone here jumps on me for not wearing masks -- if YOU feel vulnerable, YOU wear a mask. We are not wearing masks anyplace we don't absolutely have to (like inside the doctor's offices, and she only requires it because the state would shut her down if people didn't wear masks there).

Kathleen
I wear a mask plus a face shield every where I go. In part, I double protect myself because not everybody masks up, and there is no guarantee that the person I encounter who is not wearing a mask will be Covid free.

It is sort of why - even after I get my car paid off - I continue to carry full auto insurance. I cannot guarantee that the person who hits me will have insurance. (In fact, I have been involved in 4 auto crashes in the last 30 years - three were uninsured motorists who clearly caused the accident. The fourth was on I-55 in north Mississippi, when a huge buck deer jumped the interstate fence and ran in front of my car at about 2 am in the morning. Just my luck, the deer was also uninsured.)

Although it is frustrating to me, and others who work so hard to protect ourselves - I learned a long time ago that everybody has their own story. And what might be right for me and my wife, might not be the right thing for you and your daughter.

So no, I will NOT criticize you for your choice.

But I will take extra precautions to protect myself while around you, and other maskless individuals.

Because I can never be sure what you are - or are not - carrying.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Well, I apologize about the bad form, it was not my intent. I am just pressed for time right now on this end. But your post is important. I didn't mean for you not to answer (?)

When a person clears their mind and assumes yoga poses, it opens the portal inside that allows enhance by unclean spirits, including a kundalini spirit, which is a coiled snake demon that settles in the stomach area. This gives the enemy a foothold.

I agree about the Christmas tree, yes, it could be true- tied to ancient ritual or something.

Again, that's ludicrous. Feel free to answer another time when you have the time to properly pursue it. But you're not going to come in here and accuse the brethren of practicing Satanism when they had no intent to do so without resistance.

The notion that people can "give the enemy a foothold" in their lives by simply putting their bodies in certain positions is absolutely ludicrous.

I defy you to present Scriptural proof that suggests you can allow Satan and his forces a presence in your life by positioning your arms and legs a certain way. And no, "books" from "strong Christians" are NOT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE. They are written by man and therefore inherently flawed to one degree or another.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
3. This nonsense actually claims that hand-washing is a Satanic ritual. I won't even attempt to debunk that level of sheer insanity.

When what his nuts came out with his germ theory idea back in the day this is exactly what the catholic church declared, that it was a satanic ritual. That's one of the more mundane things I recall about catholic history.
 

Dentist warns harmful ‘mask mouth’ is impacting 50% of patients due to prolonged use of masks
August 9, 2020 | Robert Jonathan |
  • As if the debate over face mask-wearing amid COVID-19 isn’t contentious enough in some quarters, a dental practice is warning that keeping your mouth covered all or most of the time could allegedly lead to harmful hygiene issues such as gum recession (i.e., periodontal disease) and bad breath.
A Manhattan dentist calls this potential side effect “mask mouth” as a play on “meth mouth” that colloquially refers to the decay of teeth and gums among drug addicts.
Explaining the phenomenon, the dentist, Dr. Rob Ramondi told the New York Post that “We’re seeing inflammation in people’s gums that have been healthy forever, and cavities in people who have never had them before. About 50% of our patients are being impacted by this, [so] we decided to name it ‘mask mouth’ — after ‘meth mouth.’”

Ramondi’s colleague Dr. Marc Sclafani, explained that “People tend to breathe through their mouth instead of through their nose while wearing a mask. The mouth breathing is causing the dry mouth, which leads to a decrease in saliva — and saliva is what fights the bacteria and cleanses your teeth…saliva is also what neutralizes acid in the mouth and helps prevent tooth decay and gum disease.”

Periodontal issues constitute a risk factor for serious cardiovascular disorders.
The dentists added that bad breath is already a sign of gum disease or an excess of tongue bacteria, although it is encouraging patients to schedule a cleaning.

Depending on where you live, however, public health authorities banned prophylaxis, the official term, for a period of months during the pandemic and may currently be imposing certain limitations and protocols on the procedure that makes it less thorough.
Possible home remedies to address mask mouth may include consuming more water, reducing caffeine intake, installing a humidifier, gargling with alcohol-free mouthwash, tongue scraping, and avoid cigarettes, they said.

Although government recommendations have appeared inconsistent since the outbreak, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently recommends facial coverings when social distancing is impractical.

Government edicts about mandatory or voluntary mask-wearing vary from state to state, and also vary in the private sector, which, in part, have led to some explosive mask-shaming incidents captured on cell phone video.

Mask wearing has nonetheless achieved wide-ranging acceptance. It obviously makes common sense for healthcare providers as well others who are first responders.

Being forced to wear one out in the fresh air is another matter.
If it turns out that gum recession is a potentially dangerous health outcome from prolonged face mask usage, that could escalate the allegations about an infringement on personal freedom to a whole new level.

In other words, it could become like pulling teeth to get some people to wear masks.
There appear to be some alternative views in the scientific community about the efficacy of masks. Writing in Technocracy News, retired neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock claims that based on the available literature, there is no connection between wearing a mask and protecting oneself from becoming infected with influenza. Masks by themselves could also create potential health risks, he additionally claimed.

Two Oxford epidemiologists claim that there is no solid evidence that mask-wearing makes a difference.
In the context of herd immunity, Sweden reportedly achieved a good outcome thus far without imposing a strict lockdown or implementing compulsory face mask-wearing.

 

Kathy in FL

TB Fanatic
To be fair, it's bad form to ask a question and then request I not answer.

For most people, yoga is just an exercise that involves a lot of stretching and goofy poses. And that's exactly what it is...without one key element. INTENT.

There are some people out there, and we hear from them literally every December, who claim that anyone who has a Christmas tree is worshiping Satan. The notion that a Christmas tree is anything but a pleasantly-decorated conifer is unheard of to most. Are they worshiping Satan by having a tree with pretty lights on it in their parlors? Or is it impossible to worship Satan without INTENDING TO?

Better yet, give a heathen a cross and put it in their home. Are they now saved Christians? No. They lack INTENT.

Don't use logic and commonsense. You're going to scare a lot of people like that. What's next? Intelligence and humility? See what you could start?! The huge manatee.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I wear a mask plus a face shield every where I go. In part, I double protect myself because not everybody masks up, and there is no guarantee that the person I encounter who is not wearing a mask will be Covid free.

It is sort of why - even after I get my car paid off - I continue to carry full auto insurance. I cannot guarantee that the person who hits me will have insurance. (In fact, I have been involved in 4 auto crashes in the last 30 years - three were uninsured motorists who clearly caused the accident. The fourth was on I-55 in north Mississippi, when a huge buck deer jumped the interstate fence and ran in front of my car at about 2 am in the morning. Just my luck, the deer was also uninsured.)

Although it is frustrating to me, and others who work so hard to protect ourselves - I learned a long time ago that everybody has their own story. And what might be right for me and my wife, might not be the right thing for you and your daughter.

So no, I will NOT criticize you for your choice.

But I will take extra precautions to protect myself while around you, and other maskless individuals.

Because I can never be sure what you are - or are not - carrying.

See, this is how it should be. You are extremely concerned about COVID, so you take precautions to protect yourself. In our case, we have very little chance of even being exposed, because we hardly ever leave home, so there's not much chance that we are carrying anything that we could give to another person. But it's hard to breathe with a mask on (I have always had a hard time re-breathing used air -- can't even have my blanket in front of my face when I'm sleeping), and they also make my glasses fog up so I can't see where I'm going.

The PA yesterday said she wasn't wearing a mask anywhere she didn't absolutely have to (has to at work, or the state would shut the clinic down), which encouraged me to not wear our masks in at Walmart (for the first time since this started). We were the only ones I saw not wearing masks, which made me sad. But nobody told us to put masks on (I did have them in my pocket in case of need), and I didn't even see any dirty looks cast our way. Maybe we will encourage a few other people to break free and toss their masks.

Kathleen
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
“Even if we’re overdoing it, that’s fine. Better that than run the risk of infecting more people.”
If the cost to society of protection exceeds the benefit of protection? Or if it obscures a BETTER protection?

One wonders what a fractional decrease in blood 02 will do for the population at large.

Those on the pneumo-cardiac edge could find themselves dead. Their dead numbers probably would exceed CoronaVirus fatalities given that Cardiac Disease is the number one human killer currently, and CoronaVirus is below the top 300.

Owner brought in a story of his recent experience.

Seems he was doing work at the local Day-Care/Preschool. School is "out" for February Vacation Week, so this is a good time to fix those things the school needs fixing.

Nobody around. Owner is outside refilling the sand barrel for use on the walkways. School Director drives in and parks - walks up to Owner. Now mind you Director just pulled in to an empty school and has not one but TWO masks on.

Owner immediately apologetic: "I'm sorry I don't have a mask on - nobody is supposed to be here - We'll keep our 6' distance and that should cover it."

They conversed briefly but Owner could see she was "uncomfortable."

Such is the mindset of the easily led perhaps? Or is this her way of "proving" to parents that her school "conforms?"

And your children are the LEAST likely population to be adversely affected by CoronaVirus?

Owner said to me "Oopsy - I forgot to sterilize the sand."

Dobbin
 
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Bps1691

Veteran Member
That's right up there with another stupid utterance we hear from the government to darn often...

We have to do something now!

... even before they have through it through
 
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