HEALTH New flu pandemic thread (replaces NHS swamped thread)

Melodi

Disaster Cat
LOCAL CALIFORNIA
Severe flu brings medicine shortages, packed ERs and a rising death toll in California
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st josephAdriana Gudinoperez, of Garden Grove, a patient with flu symptoms, looks at a nurse after being given ibuprofen in the emergency room at St. Joseph Hospital in Orange on Friday. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times)
By Soumya KarlamanglaContact Reporter

So many people have fallen sick with influenza in California that pharmacies have run out of flu medicines, emergency rooms are packed, and the death toll is rising higher than in previous years.

Health officials said Friday that 27 people younger than 65 have died of the flu in California since October, compared with three at the same time last year. Nationwide and in California, flu activity spiked sharply in late December and continues to grow.

The emergency room at UCLA Medical Center in Santa Monica typically treats about 140 patients a day, but at least one day this week had more than 200 patients — mostly because of the flu, said the ER’s medical director, Dr. Wally Ghurabi.

“The Northridge earthquake was the last time we saw over 200 patients,” Ghurabi said.

A rush for treatment
Experts say it’s possible that this year’s flu season is outpacing the last simply because it’s peaking earlier.

No, it's not too late to get a flu shot »

The flu season is typically worst around February, but can reach its height anytime from October to April. Though influenza had only only killed three Californians at this time last year, it had taken 68 lives by the end of February, according to state data.

Many California doctors, however, contend that the recent surge has been unusually severe.

“Rates of influenza are even exceeding last year, and last year was one of the worst flu seasons in the last decade,” said Dr. Randy Bergen, clinical lead of the flu vaccine program for Kaiser Permanente in Northern California.

 
Source: California Department of Public Health. Graphics reporting by Soumya Karlamangla
State health officials said Friday that there was no region of the state where people were being spared from the flu.

In Riverside and San Bernardino counties, ambulance services have been severely strained because of the number of flu calls coming in, local health officials said.

Plus, emergency rooms are so crowded that ambulances arriving at hospitals can’t immediately unload their patients, so they’re unable to leave for incoming 911 calls, said Jose Arballo Jr., spokesman for the Riverside County Department of Public Health.

“The ambulances have to wait … and if they’re waiting there, they can’t be out on calls,” Arballo said.

Most people in California and nationwide are catching a strain of influenza known as H3N2, which the flu vaccine typically doesn’t work as well against. National health officials say the vaccine might only be about 32% effective this year, which could be contributing to the high number of people falling ill.

H3N2 is also a particularly dangerous strain of the flu, experts say.

“It tends to cause more deaths and more hospitalizations than the other strains,” said Dr. Jeffrey Gunzenhauser, L.A. County’s interim health officer.

Of extra concern this year are large numbers of older patients who are showing up at hospitals with the flu and pneumonia, a potentially fatal combination.

“You have no choice but to admit them and hydrate them on IV antibiotics to prevent -- God forbid -- a bad outcome,” Ghurabi said.

Each year, the number of flu deaths reported by the state includes only people younger than 65 and therefore underestimates the flu’s real toll, since elderly people are most likely to succumb to the illness, experts say. In Los Angeles County, 33 people have died of the flu this season and only a handful were under 65, Gunzenhauser said.

Dr. Matthew Mullarky, an emergency physician at St. Joseph Hospital in Orange, said that half of the patients he saw on a recent ER shift were so sick that he had to keep them in the hospital. Most of them were older than 85, with the flu and pneumonia.

“It’s incredibly scary,” he said.

A search for Tamiflu
Doctors often prescribe the flu medication oseltamivir, known by the brand name Tamiflu, to patients with the flu. But doctors and patients said this week that the drug was hard to find.

Caroline Bringenberg, who lives in Silver Lake, fell ill when she was visiting her family in Denver for the holidays. She had headache, fever and weakness.

“I don’t remember the last time I was this sick,” said Bringenberg, 25.

When her doctor prescribed her Tamiflu on Wednesday, Bringenberg learned that a CVS pharmacy in Glassell Park was out of the medicine. All the CVS pharmacies in the area had run out, the pharmacists there told her.

Bringenberg then called a nearby independent pharmacy, but it also had exhausted its supply.

“I’ve just sort of given up,” said Bringenberg, through sniffles. “I think honestly it would make me feel worse to be in the car driving all over town, so I've just opted for ibuprofen and DayQuil.”

CVS spokeswoman Amy Lanctot said increased demand for Tamiflu in California may have led to some stores being temporarily out of stock. Other pharmacies reported that they were running low on the medicine or were out completely.

“They’re all on back order right now,” said Talia Dimaio, a pharmacy clerk at Rancho Park Compounding Pharmacy in West L.A. “We can’t get it.”

Bob Purcell, spokesman for the San Francisco-based pharmaceutical company Genentech, which makes Tamiflu, said there isn’t a national shortage of the medicine, suggesting that pharmacists’ shelves were emptied this week by a sudden surge in demand.

ORANGE, CALIF. -- FRIDAY, JANUARY 5, 2018: Marenna Bielman, RN, right, takes Angelica Lara's blood p
Marenna Bielman, right, takes Angelica Lara's blood pressure as she is treated for flu-like symptoms at St. Joseph Hospital in Orange. Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times
Doctors say Tamiflu doesn’t eliminate the flu but lessens the severity of symptoms and how long they last. It works best if taken within 48 hours of when patients start to feel sick.

Nihar Mandavia, a pharmacist who owns the Druggist Pharmacy in Laguna Niguel, said he’s been ordering as much Tamiflu as possible from wholesalers and filling 25 prescriptions a day, compared with a typical one a day. He said out-of-stock pharmacies are referring patients to him.

“It’s been crazy,” he said. “And there’s still more -- we’re getting calls right now.”

On Friday morning, Mandavia had enough left for only four more patients, he said. And some of his wholesalers had run out too.

Avoiding the flu
Though flu season is underway, health officials say it’s not too late to get the flu shot. The vaccine is recommended for everyone older than 6 months.

“Even if you’re healthy, the downside of getting the flu vaccine is so low — it’s relatively inexpensive. At the worst you’ll have a sore arm,” Gunzenhauser said.

The vaccine can also mean not getting sick and then infecting someone who might not recover so easily. Nationwide, 13 children have died of influenza this flu season.

Dr. Greg Hendey, UCLA’s chair of emergency medicine, said people usually develop flu symptoms two to three days after they’re exposed to the virus, but are most contagious the day before symptoms develop.

“So before you even know you’re sick you’re already spreading the virus,” he said.

He recommended that people wash their hands often and avoid close contact with anyone coughing or sneezing.

Hendey said they’ve been trying to adjust staffing levels at the ER to keep up with the crowds, but there’s been an added challenge lately.

“Sometimes we don’t have our full complement of nurses because, they’re people too, they get sick,” he said.


soumya.karlamangla@latimes.com

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almost ready

Inactive
Have the Cali communists deemed all age 65 and older "nonpersons"?

quote from OP

Each year, the number of flu deaths reported by the state includes only people younger than 65 and therefore underestimates the flu’s real toll, since elderly people are most likely to succumb to the illness, experts say. In Los Angeles County, 33 people have died of the flu this season and only a handful were under 65, Gunzenhauser said.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Have the Cali communists deemed all age 65 and older "nonpersons"?

quote from OP

Each year, the number of flu deaths reported by the state includes only people younger than 65 and therefore underestimates the flu’s real toll, since elderly people are most likely to succumb to the illness, experts say. In Los Angeles County, 33 people have died of the flu this season and only a handful were under 65, Gunzenhauser said.

They expect most flu deaths to be those over 65 and the number of those who die in winter of non-specific respiratory illnesses who are tested for flu is not high. This year's flu is different from most flu because many younger people are dying. Just as in te 2009 H1N1 and also the 1917 pandemic, many young people died.
 

brokenwings

Veteran Member
My husband and I both got the flu this year by going to Urgent care for tongue swelling up. We were both so sick. My husband got Pneumonia from it but somehow I didn't. He is healthy as a horse but I have health problems. It took me three weeks to get rid of it and he is just now getting to where he feels better. He was winded all the time and wheezed when he laid in bed. He took three rounds of antibiotics to get rid of Pneumonia. I think they did a good job making this flu to spread and kill.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
My friend with the P.h.d. level mind stuck in a US nursing home (by social security and a State Agency) that I've mentioned before, says that her home in the US Midwest is under lockdown/quarantine because of the flu; I'm guessing that staff are allowed in and out as our doctors or nurses but no visitors are allowed at all.

The lockdown is expected to go at least through tomorrow and will be extended if more patients become ill, most of the folks in the home are elderly but a few like our family friend is not - she so far has escaped this flu but is quite worried.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
They expect most flu deaths to be those over 65 and the number of those who die in winter of non-specific respiratory illnesses who are tested for flu is not high. This year's flu is different from most flu because many younger people are dying. Just as in te 2009 H1N1 and also the 1917 pandemic, many young people died.

Yes, the test of a potent flu pandemic is when it hits the young and healthy harder than the elderly. Many elderly die of the flu every year but not many young healthy people. Hopefully this one doesn't take off.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
14,000 positive cases in AR. No link it was on one of the news stations. That is just the ones that tested positive. The rapid flu screen is only 30% accurate. Not counting how many just tough it out and don't get tested.
 

Blastoff

Veteran Member
I went to a suburban ER in Cincinnati with a family member the morning of New Year's Eve. This ER is in a neighborhood hospital and usually pretty quiet. We were there from 10 am to 6pm. It was so busy, waiting room full, ER full, patients in beds in the hallways of the ER, multiple ambulances at all times. It was flu.

A nurse on staff at a local retirement center where family lives told family member the life squad was picking up residents for transport to the hospital for flu but the hospital was discharging them and sending them back due to no space.

This hospital underwent a renovation that doubled its size within the last few years and still doesn't have space for flu victims.
 

Dash

Veteran Member
One of the articles Melodi posted recommends the flu vaccine. Is there any solid information on how well the flu shot is working this year?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
One of the articles Melodi posted recommends the flu vaccine. Is there any solid information on how well the flu shot is working this year?

I don't have the link, but I seem to remember that in Ireland anyway they were saying it was one of the lesser effective years; partly because of the Aussie flu (which is somewhat resistant) and the fact that we (and I believe the US also) have both strains of A and B type flu at the same time; which the local news said is another reason why both old and young are affected.

But it still may be worth getting, especially if you work around a lot of people; it can lessen flu effects (like Tamiflu) I didn't react much at all to this year's shot, and some years I get really sick with them.
 

Dash

Veteran Member
I don't have the link, but I seem to remember that in Ireland anyway they were saying it was one of the lesser effective years; partly because of the Aussie flu (which is somewhat resistant) and the fact that we (and I believe the US also) have both strains of A and B type flu at the same time; which the local news said is another reason why both old and young are affected.

But it still may be worth getting, especially if you work around a lot of people; it can lessen flu effects (like Tamiflu) I didn't react much at all to this year's shot, and some years I get really sick with them.

Thanks, Melodi. I think I might get it this week.
 

summerthyme

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The vaccine this year is a *terrible* match for the strains going around... about 10% effective. We never get the flu vaccine. I suppose if you usually do, and rarely or never have a bad reaction, it may not hurt, but it's level of protection is even more abysmal than usual... and the track record of flu vaccine protectiveness isn't tgat great to start with.

Summerthyme
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Before vaccinating you might want to read the Well Being Journal Jan/Feb 2018 vol.27 no.1 cover article, Vaccines: A Reappraisal ppgs 6-9.

Good idea, there are pros and cons to vaccinating, I am in several high risks groups so I have decided that it is the best thing for me; it is mandatory for the husband to work in an Irish hospital and so far they do seem to have helped most years.

I got my shot just before leaving for Germany and them about 10 days to have an effect; I got home and probably had caught a strain of flu while I was there; and though I was pretty sick for a month, I never did have to go to the ER or emergency clinic even though I thought I would - it is possible the shot kept it from getting just that little bit worse that would have affected my breathing.

Hard to prove a negative, many healthy people don't bother with shots and that may be the best choice for them as they can (and do) have side effects.

They also don't protect against all strains of flu (they never do) and some years (like this one) they get blindsided by new strains that are not covered much by the shot at all.

I think this is a very personal decision and should be looked into before deciding what is best for yourself and/or a dependent child/family member.

Again, some people have no choice (medical staff in some locations, nursing home patients in some places, foster children etc) but it is still worth knowing what the risks vs. potential benefits are and that can change year to year.
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
Yes, the test of a potent flu pandemic is when it hits the young and healthy harder than the elderly. Many elderly die of the flu every year but not many young healthy people. Hopefully this one doesn't take off.

Unfortunately, it has taken off. I wasn't alive during the Spanish flu that killed millions. My theory is that those of us over the age of 50 have come into contact with flu/colds/respiratory/measles/chicken pox, and we have built up quite an immunity towards the new strains coming in. I may be wrong, but I haven't had the flu since the government released it outside the Golden Gate Bridge back in the mid 50's. Everyone was sick. I was raised on Concord, CA and I remember it very well. Maybe this strain of flu was released in those chem trails that we see many of every day. It's not just California either with the flu epidemic. It's anyone's guess.

P.S. Every year I refuse to get a flu shot. Doctor gets pissed at me, but heh, I'm not showing up in his office with it either! STAY OUT OF HOSPITALS AND CLINICS!! There's not much they can do for you that you can't do for yourself at home. Just the environment and being around sick people like yourself IMHO will worsen your situation.
 

Deb Mc

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Bardou,

Good point!

I have no way of really proving this, but I think part of the issue is how much sunlight these people are exposed to. This sounds really "Whoo-whoo", but please let me explain:

In the 1918 Pandemic, some victims where described as having turned purple or black, meaning that the blood was hemorrhaging internally. The current H5N1 problem - some victims have been described as their internal organs shredded by their own immune system. This attack is called a "Cytokine Storm". The "heavy hitter" of the Cytokines is TNF-a (Tumor Necrosis Factor Alpha).

TNF-a is the same cytokine that causes problems in auto-immune disorders, like Rheumatoid Arthritis, Psoriasis, Eczema, etc...

Lesser known is that TNF-a seems to cause the horrible aging in skin that happens when people are out in the sun too much or tan too much.

(TNF-a production can also be ramped up by somethings you eat or drink, i.e. Drinking Black Elderberry Wine or eating certain kinds of mushrooms.)


My hypothesis is that people who have a higher exposure to sunlight or U.V. have a ramped up TNF-a inside their body. This is what is causing a higher death rate among the younger populace, as well as the stronger outbreak in areas that traditionally have more sunlight... (It might also explain the horrific death toll in the Alaskan Native American Villages during the 1918 Pandemic. Some areas had entire villages wiped out. Since it hit after Summer, where the Arctic sun shines nearly 24x7, I'm guessing their TNF-a production must have been through the roof...)

Fwiw, just something untested, but seems logical...
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Good ideas to ponder, but most scientists that studied the 1918 flu noticed that for the most part it was younger people and even those under 60 most affected, there was a strain of flu that had gone through the US, I think in the 1870's or 1880's; that was before modern testing but while symptoms were less deadly they were similar enough that even doctors at the time thought it might have been close enough to create at least partial immunity in those over 60.

Since my husband has to be in a hospital ward five days a week; it isn't possible for us to avoid exposure; I did avoid taking flu shots in my 40's and early 50's; in hopes of not overloading my body now that I really need them (I probably had a couple but I intentionally didn't ask about them, except when I knew I would be exposed because of surgery or something).

This isn't like the polio vaccine which still is a problem for some people, but is an "old reliable" in that science knows it usually works; the side effects (including the risk of getting the disease) are known and given how few people today come down with it; is probably a good idea.

I would prefer this thread not devolve into nothing but a discussion of vaccinations vs. non-vaccinations except in regards to the flu; there are a lot of issues on that one and people feel very strong in both directions; it is something (especially when it concerns dependent children) that I encourage people to look into for themselves and make their own choices.

Now the topic of this years flu vaccine is totally relevent and all articles or feedack on it is appreciated.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
The vaccine this year is a *terrible* match for the strains going around... about 10% effective. We never get the flu vaccine. I suppose if you usually do, and rarely or never have a bad reaction, it may not hurt, but it's level of protection is even more abysmal than usual... and the track record of flu vaccine protectiveness isn't tgat great to start with.

Summerthyme


This is what my doctor told me. Six deaths, so far, due to the flu here in the state of Iowa.
 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
Sambucol and similar black elderberry preparations do not promote dangerous cytokine reactions. Aspirin and other nsaids are known to do so, and some speculate that many flu deaths, such as experienced during the 1918 epidemic, were triggered by the massive popularity of aspirin as a cure-all.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I often “go with my gut” instincts about things that come up.
My “gut” said “get a flu shot this year”, and I did.
I do not routinely get them.
 

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Be Well

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Sambucol and similar black elderberry preparations do not promote dangerous cytokine reactions. Aspirin and other nsaids are known to do so, and some speculate that many flu deaths, such as experienced during the 1918 epidemic, were triggered by the massive popularity of aspirin as a cure-all.

After reading on the Flu Pandemic Forum years ago I learned more than I ever thought possible about flu in general and the "Spanish" flu pandemic. Turns out that massive aspirin use was over estimated as having anything to do with the pandemic, as there was a tremendous number of deaths and severe illness in places where people did not use aspirin too. Asia, for instance. The flu itself did the job, creating cytokine storms, especially in younger people with better immune systems than the elderly.
 

summerthyme

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I will add that if you are purchasing your elderberry syrup or whatever, to make *sure* it only contains elderBERRY, and doesn't also have elderFLOWER as an ingredient. The blossoms of the plant have fairly potent immune system stimulating properties, which you don't want for a viral strain that is causing cytokine storm problems.

Also, avoid any products which say they help strengthen the immune system... if you do take Echinacea or other herbs or supplements designed to help boost your immune system, and you fall ill anyway, stop the supplement at the very first hint of symptoms.

I know this is counter-intuitive, as for most illness, a strong immune system helps you recover faster. However with influenza (and some other bugs... IIRC, I think Legionaires Disease caused cytokine storm, and i seem to remember something called AARDS (or something similar) which also killed using the same mechanism.

And yes, cucurmin is very valuable in these diseases. And for more than "just" fighting cytokine storm. When hubby and I caught H1N1 in 2009, the pain in our spines and legs was intense (I don't know if others experience this, but it seems that anytime we catch any sort of a viral "bug" it goes right to our weak spots and/or our old injuries). Nothing helped the pain, including prescription strength doses of NSAIDS (and even, VERY interestingly, some Celebrex we had hanging around in the preps, which is a COXX2 inhibitor, and which SHOULD work like cucurmin!) and even hydrocodone.

Cucurmin plus piperine knocked it down to bearable levels almost instantly.

Summerthyme
 
I will add that if you are purchasing your elderberry syrup or whatever, to make *sure* it only contains elderBERRY, and doesn't also have elderFLOWER as an ingredient. The blossoms of the plant have fairly potent immune system stimulating properties, which you don't want for a viral strain that is causing cytokine storm problems.

Also, avoid any products which say they help strengthen the immune system... if you do take Echinacea or other herbs or supplements designed to help boost your immune system, and you fall ill anyway, stop the supplement at the very first hint of symptoms.

I know this is counter-intuitive, as for most illness, a strong immune system helps you recover faster. However with influenza (and some other bugs... IIRC, I think Legionaires Disease caused cytokine storm, and i seem to remember something called AARDS (or something similar) which also killed using the same mechanism.

And yes, cucurmin is very valuable in these diseases. And for more than "just" fighting cytokine storm. When hubby and I caught H1N1 in 2009, the pain in our spines and legs was intense (I don't know if others experience this, but it seems that anytime we catch any sort of a viral "bug" it goes right to our weak spots and/or our old injuries). Nothing helped the pain, including prescription strength doses of NSAIDS (and even, VERY interestingly, some Celebrex we had hanging around in the preps, which is a COXX2 inhibitor, and which SHOULD work like cucurmin!) and even hydrocodone.

Cucurmin plus piperine knocked it down to bearable levels almost instantly.

Summerthyme

Any advice on dosing levels?
 

summerthyme

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I've been experimenting (with a bunch of semi-willing subjects LOL!) and while we've always taken a tablespoon of my elderberry syrup as an adult dose, it does appear that we can get away with taking as little as 1 tsp.... 2x a day for prevention, and every 3-4 hours once symptoms start.

For the curcumin, we took 2 capsules (total 1000 mgs) every 4-6 hours when we were really sick with H1N1... essentially, as soon as the muscle/nerve pain started to ramp up, we'd take another dose. With the first dose of the day, we'd take 10 mgs piperine, which is the max daily dosage (and apparently lasts well enough to potentiate the cucurmin absorption for a full day.

I found it interesting that we didn't have any side effects taking what is a pretty stiff dose of curcumin.. generally, taking that much would result in some loose stools, at the least.

Summerthyme
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Tuesday 9 January 2018
  1. Unexpected strain of flu - not covered by vaccine - threatens further chaos in hospitals [IRELAND]
Health professionals not prepared for B strain of flu

Hundreds of patients left on trolleys in emergency departments around the country
A strain of flu which is not covered by the only seasonal vaccine available free to at-risk patients is spreading and threatening to heap more misery on the country's emergency departments.



Eilish O'Regan Health Correspondent

January 9 2018 2:30 AM


A strain of flu which is not covered by the only seasonal vaccine available free to at-risk patients is spreading and threatening to heap more misery on the country's emergency departments.

Although 'Aussie flu' AH3N2 continues to be a major risk, it has been overtaken by a separate B strain of the virus, which thousands of people who got the vaccine are not adequately protected against.

The emergence of this strain was not foreseen by public health officials here.

The unexpected Influenza B Yamagata strain is now accounting for 60pc-70pc of the cases of confirmed flu, the Irish Independent has learned.

A second expensive vaccine, which provides more protection to patients from this flu, has not been purchased by the HSE.

The HSE said yesterday it had confined its stocks of vaccine this winter to the trivalent flu jab.

This was the vaccine recommended by the Department of Health and the National Immunisation Advisory Committee.

It bought over one million supplies of the standard flu vaccine which the World Health Organisation (WHO) forecast would include protection against the main strains circulating this winter.

The hope is that this standard vaccine may still provide some limited coverage against the B Yamagata strain but it is unclear how much.

The B strain is not seen as severe as Aussie flu and is more likely to affect younger age groups who have not been previously exposed to the virus.

Read more: 'Hospital bosses are completely out of touch,' writes man left waiting 11 hours in a wheelchair in stretched A and E

The latest outbreak came as patients endured more gruelling delays in A&Es across the country.


On Tuesday the HSE's TrolleyGar system recorded 441 patients on trolleys in hospitals nationwide - including eight children.

The Mater is the worst affected hospital in the country today with 32 patients on trolleys. Letterkenny University Hospital has 31 people waiting for a bed.

Consultant in Emergency Medicine at Tallaght Hospital, and Clinical Senior Lecturer at Trinity College Dr Jim Gray has said he can't understand why people are not protesting on the street in relation to the trolley crisis.

Dr Gray told RTÉ's Sean O'Rourke that with the number of patients on trolleys (15), there was one 84 year old woman waiting 22 hours '"languishing on a trolley, waiting on a bed". Another three of the patients were waiting more than 24 hours.

"We're tolerating this," he said, describing the situation as "institutional abuse".

"I can't understand why people are not out on the streets in their droves protesting over this scandal that has been allowed continue," he said.

Read more: 'Aussie flu' outbreak leads to handshake ban at mass
It is expected that some 3,000 patients on waiting lists will have their planned surgery put on hold or cancelled this month to free up beds.

Dr John Duddy, a trainee neurosurgeon at Cork University Hospital, said all planned non-emergency operations had been parked for the last two weeks.

It meant that patients who could have been waiting a year with a spinal condition have had to stay in the queue
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Doctors have warned that some seriously ill patients have also had their surgery put back and some are ending up in A&E because of the symptoms of their condition.

Health Minister Simon Harris, who said he attended a meeting of the Emergency Department Taskforce, said: "It is important to note that Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation figures today are 101 lower than the first working day last week and 122 lower than the highest figure recorded last week."

Read more: Return to school sparks fear of surge in flu cases
He said: "The measures agreed at today's meeting include an increase in the number of senior clinical decision-makers on hand in hospitals in the evenings and at weekends.

"They also include enhanced access to diagnostics, increased access to transitional care beds, the opening of additional beds in a number of hospitals including St James's, the Mater and Beaumont, and the utilisation of beds in private hospitals."

He added: "I also asked the taskforce to a carry out a piece of work to examine how we can better support our elderly during the winter months, including residents in nursing homes and those living in the community.

"We must now focus on making sure we have plans in place to fix the situation in our emergency departments and break the cycle of overcrowding in the health service." He will bring the report of the bed capacity review, recommending another 2,000 to 2,500 beds over the next decade, to Cabinet.


Irish Independent


https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...tens-further-chaos-in-hospitals-36470889.html
 

Digger

Veteran Member
I have a friend here in Arkansas. She is in the hospital with flu and pneumonia in both lungs. Now they have her in isolation and are treating her for whooping cough. Nothing they have given her has stopped her cough. But she will be through with the whooping cough medicine before the test results are back.
 

Taz

Deceased
Talked to my friend in Tasmania and she said there had been over 1000 deaths on the Australian mainland. Said not so bad in Tassie.
 

Reckoning

Veteran Member
Op-Ed: We're Not Ready for a Flu Pandemic
(hat-tip flutrackers.com) [bold text below is mine]
By MICHAEL T. OSTERHOLM and MARK OLSHAKERJAN. 8, 2018

Excerpt:

The influenza season is just getting started in the United States, and it already promises to be more severe than usual. Hospital emergency rooms are filling up with flu sufferers, and pharmacies have reported medicine shortages. Twelve children had died as of last month. To make matters worse, in Australia, which experienced its flu season four to six months ago, the current vaccine appeared to be only about 10 percent effective against this year’s dominant strain.

Yet as bad as this winter’s epidemic is, it won’t compare with the flu pandemic that is almost certainly on the horizon if we don’t dedicate energy and resources to a universal vaccine.

Influenza pandemics occur when a novel animal flu virus acquires the ability to infect humans and they, in turn, transmit it to other humans. The 1918-19 Spanish flu epidemic (which despite the name may have originated in the American Midwest) killed 50 million to 100 million around the globe. Accounts at the time described people falling ill in the morning and dying that night.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opinion/flu-pandemic-universal-vaccine.html
 

Lee Penn

Senior Member
Even when there is a flu pandemic, how much damage does it usually do?

1918 was the Big One, obviously.

However, the CDC lists three other pandemics since 1900: 1957, 1968, and 2009. I (and relatives) lived through all three of them, and there was no social collapse or mass die-off of the kind that are sometimes discussed here. It was just a flu season: many people inconvenienced, and some people went to hospital, and a few died.

It seems to me that pandemic flu usually is not a TEOTWAWKI event.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I will add that if you are purchasing your elderberry syrup or whatever, to make *sure* it only contains elderBERRY, and doesn't also have elderFLOWER as an ingredient. The blossoms of the plant have fairly potent immune system stimulating properties, which you don't want for a viral strain that is causing cytokine storm problems.

Also, avoid any products which say they help strengthen the immune system... if you do take Echinacea or other herbs or supplements designed to help boost your immune system, and you fall ill anyway, stop the supplement at the very first hint of symptoms.

I know this is counter-intuitive, as for most illness, a strong immune system helps you recover faster. However with influenza (and some other bugs... IIRC, I think Legionaires Disease caused cytokine storm, and i seem to remember something called AARDS (or something similar) which also killed using the same mechanism.

And yes, cucurmin is very valuable in these diseases. And for more than "just" fighting cytokine storm. When hubby and I caught H1N1 in 2009, the pain in our spines and legs was intense (I don't know if others experience this, but it seems that anytime we catch any sort of a viral "bug" it goes right to our weak spots and/or our old injuries). Nothing helped the pain, including prescription strength doses of NSAIDS (and even, VERY interestingly, some Celebrex we had hanging around in the preps, which is a COXX2 inhibitor, and which SHOULD work like cucurmin!) and even hydrocodone.

Cucurmin plus piperine knocked it down to bearable levels almost instantly.

Summerthyme

I can get Curcumin-boosted tumeric at the local big box store; where can a supply of piperine be located?

eta: just did a quick check of the net, and while available from Amazon, it's pretty pricey... anyone know of a reliable source?

Thanks!
 

Flashyzipp

Veteran Member
My Dad is 86. We live in the STL are and he’s been in the hospital since 12/31. He is 86 and has been in icu and on a ventilator. He got his vent tube out today. This flu is no joke! It was influenza A. My husband also has it and I am shocked I don’t have it! I never got a Flu shot this year either!

My Dad got the Flu from his NH which is now on lockdown and under quarantine.
 
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vestige

Deceased
My Dad is 86. We live in the STL are and he’s been in the hospital since 12/31. He is 86 and has been in icu and on a ventilator. He got his vent tube out today. This flu is no joke! It was influenza A. My husband also has it and I am shocked I don’t have it!

God Bless your father.

May he be home safe and sound soon.
 
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