SCI Neanderthal gene linked to increased pain sensitivity

Melodi

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23 JULY 2020

Neanderthal gene linked to increased pain sensitivity
People who have inherited nerve-altering mutations from the ancient hominins tend to experience more pain.

Ewen Callaway

A model of the face of a man with a prominent nose and eyebrows, a beard and moustache, long hair and brown eyes.

Reconstruction of a Neanderthal.Credit: S. Entressangle/E. Daynes/SPL
Neanderthals lived hard lives. The ice-age hunter-gatherers eked out a living across western Eurasia, hunting mammoths, bison and other dangerous animals.
Despite their rough and tumble existence, Neanderthals had a biological predisposition to a heightened sense of pain, finds a first-of-its kind genome study published in Current Biology on 23 July1. Evolutionary geneticists found that the ancient human relatives carried three mutations in a gene encoding the protein NaV1.7, which conveys painful sensations to the spinal cord and brain. They also showed that in a sample of British people, those who had inherited the Neanderthal version of NaV1.7 tend to experience more pain than others.
“It’s a first example, to me, about how we begin to perhaps get an idea about Neanderthal physiology by using present-day people as transgenic models,” says Svante Pääbo at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, who led the work with Hugo Zeberg at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm.
Pain-sensing protein
Researchers have access to only a few Neanderthal genomes, and most of those have been sequenced at a low resolution. This has made it hard to identify mutations that evolved after their lineage split from that of humans some 500,000–750,000 years ago. But in the past few years, Pääbo and his team have generated three high-quality Neanderthal genomes from DNA found in caves in Croatia and Russia. This allows them to confidently identify mutations that were probably common in Neanderthals, yet very rare in humans.

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Mutations in a gene called SCN9A — which encodes the NaV1.7 protein — stood out because all of the Neanderthals had three mutations that alter the shape of the protein. The mutated version of the gene was found on both sets of chromosomes in all three Neanderthals, hinting that it was common across their populations.
NaV1.7 acts in the body’s nerves, where it is involved in controlling whether and to what extent painful signals are transmitted to the spinal cord and brain. “People have described it as a volume knob, setting the gain of the pain in nerve fibres,” says Zeberg. Some people with extremely rare genetic mutations that disable the protein do not feel pain2, whereas other changes can predispose people to chronic pain3.
To investigate how mutations might have altered Neanderthals’ nerves, Zeberg expressed their version of NaV1.7 in frog eggs and human kidney cells — model systems useful for characterizing proteins that control neural impulses. The protein was more active in cells with all three mutations than in cells without the changes. In nerve fibres, this would lower the threshold for conveying a painful signal, says Zeberg.
He and Pääbo then looked for humans with the Neanderthal version of NaV1.7. About 0.4% of participants in the UK Biobank, a genome database of half a million British people, who reported on their pain symptoms had one copy of the mutated gene. No one had two, like Neanderthals. Participants with the mutated version of the gene were about 7% more likely to report pain in their lives than were people without it.
Sensitive Neanderthals
“This is beautiful work”, because it shows how aspects of Neanderthal physiology can be reconstructed by studying modern humans, says Cedric Boeckx, a neuroscientist at the Catalan Institute for Research and Advanced Studies in Barcelona, Spain. In a 2019 study, Boeckx flagged three other proteins involved in pain perception that differ between modern humans and Neanderthals4. It’s possible that such changes indicate differences in resilience between the two species, he says.

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Pääbo and Zeberg caution that their findings do not necessarily mean that Neanderthals would have felt more pain than modern humans. Sensations conveyed by NaV1.7 are processed and modified in the spinal cord and brain, which also contribute to the subjective experience of pain.
Gary Lewin, a neuroscientist at the Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine in Berlin, notes that the Neanderthal variants impart only a small effect on the function of NaV1.7 — and much less than other mutations that are associated with chronic pain. “It’s hard to imagine why a Neanderthal would want to be more sensitive to pain,” he adds.
It is unclear whether the mutations evolved because they were beneficial. Neanderthal populations were small and had low genetic diversity — conditions that can help harmful mutations linger. But Pääbo says the change “smells” like a product of natural selection. He plans to sequence the genomes of around 100 Neanderthals, which could help provide answers.
In any case, “pain is something adaptive”, points out Zeberg. “It’s not specifically bad to feel pain.”
doi: 10.1038/d41586-020-02202-x
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
pain is very useful. It keeps you alive by telling you when some remote part of your body is taking damage that you are not seeing. In a severe cold environment, probably protected them from frostbite, and prevented minor wounds/infections from getting worse (by calling attention, therefore giving the 'animal' a chance to stop the injury as it's occurring, or remedy/ attempt to 'heal' the damage) They may not have been successful ALL of the time, but any evolutionary advantage will 'math out' over time given a strong enough influence.. the fact the gene survived this long shows it was likely useful.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
pain is very useful. It keeps you alive by telling you when some remote part of your body is taking damage that you are not seeing. In a severe cold environment, probably protected them from frostbite, and prevented minor wounds/infections from getting worse (by calling attention, therefore giving the 'animal' a chance to stop the injury as it's occurring, or remedy/ attempt to 'heal' the damage) They may not have been successful ALL of the time, but any evolutionary advantage will 'math out' over time given a strong enough influence.. the fact the gene survived this long shows it was likely useful.
This was Nightwolf's take too, also newer excavations and analysis have shown the Neanderthals could do proper amputation (that healed over properly) some natural antibiotics (at least one), herbs still used to treat pain and headaches etc.

So having a hunter say "Ouch" may have been enough to make sure they were treated and didn't ignore treatable or supportable injuries.

It might also indicate when a hunter may have needed to stay back from the hunt, or his/her buddies would insist on it (injuries on adult women show they also were involved in Big Game Hunting, at least in Europe).
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
Well, then based on that, I don't have any - all of my Dr.'s, surgeons, etc. have commented on my extremely high tolerance to pain. Like, I don't want your darn morphine after surgery, give me a Tylenol or an aspirin and I'm fine.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Well, then based on that, I don't have any - all of my Dr.'s, surgeons, etc. have commented on my extremely high tolerance to pain. Like, I don't want your darn morphine after surgery, give me a Tylenol or an aspirin and I'm fine.
The study showed not all Neanderthals had this gene, just like not all modern humans have it - but it makes sense because studies going back to the 1970s show redheaded people tend to have a lower pain threshold (overall, individuals may vary) and that was done with "pinprick" type tests.

Well,red hair comes from the Neanderthal genome....
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
The study showed not all Neanderthals had this gene, just like not all modern humans have it - but it makes sense because studies going back to the 1970s show redheaded people tend to have a lower pain threshold (overall, individuals may vary) and that was done with "pinprick" type tests.

Well,red hair comes from the Neanderthal genome....

Well, guess I used to be a sorta red head. It was Strawberry blonde (now mostly white and grey). I'll blame it on being the red-headed step child of the family ok?
 

Squib

Veteran Member
The study showed not all Neanderthals had this gene, just like not all modern humans have it - but it makes sense because studies going back to the 1970s show redheaded people tend to have a lower pain threshold (overall, individuals may vary) and that was done with "pinprick" type tests.

Well,red hair comes from the Neanderthal genome....

Doesn’t it take much more or higher doses of analgesics and anesthesia for red heads?

No disrespect meant, I love red heads!
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
Wow. PW used to have reddish hair early in life. I look like the picture in the OP. Looks like we don't have a mixed marriage after all.

Pardon me but this all sounds like a bunch of highfalutin scientific silliness.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Doesn’t it take much more or higher doses of analgesics and anesthesia for red heads?

No disrespect meant, I love red heads!
In general yes, again if varies - I should point out we don't have that many full Neanderthal genomes yet but I gather of the few we have, not all this genetic variation but some did. It will take a lot more time to get a really full-sized sample but it does seem to have come into modern humans via the Neanderthal interbreeding.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Wow. PW used to have reddish hair early in life. I look like the picture in the OP. Looks like we don't have a mixed marriage after all.

Pardon me but this all sounds like a bunch of highfalutin scientific silliness.
Nope, the redhead/pain thing has been known since the 1970s and is taken account of in hospitals when treating surgical pain or other broken limbs.

It isn't silliness as all, as someone who almost certainly has Neanderthal DNA (my skull has been mentioned many times here) and who also has almost no pain tolerance (ask Nightwolf) and some natural red in my hair, it really hits home (I also have the type of arthritis found in older Neanderthal that along with a tendency to type II may have had other traits that were benefits as most Neanderthals didn't live long enough to be affected much by either condition).

While a few Neanderthals made it into their 50s or 60s (that we know of) many more died before age 40 or younger.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maybe this could someday shed some light on chronic pain conditions - like fibromyalgia for one - or even neuropathic pain, phantom limb pain, etc.

Although I’d still rather not admit to having a Neanderthal gene.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Interesting. Although I have relatively more Neanderthal than the average 23 and Me customer, I am able to tolerate pain well. When I had my knee surgeries, I did not take the post surgery pain meds as they were not needed. I was driving to physical therapy after a week for the left knee surgery. I only needed a cane for a week and never needed the walker. I was able to get full range of motion on the second session of PT. Kaiser wanted my DNA because of it, but I said no.

I had understood that there was something called the "warrior gene" and it was likely I had it.
 

EYW

Veteran Member
Maybe this could someday shed some light on chronic pain conditions - like fibromyalgia for one - or even neuropathic pain, phantom limb pain, etc.

Although I’d still rather not admit to having a Neanderthal gene.
I am particularly interested in a link to fibromyalgia, as I have suffered with since around 1985.

Does anyone have any idea which testing service is the best to determine Neanderthal genetics? My Ancestry has me mostly England, Scotland, Northern Europe. My MTA has me hooked up to Danish, Norwegian and Icelandic Vikings, Celts, the Merovingians, some Franks (typical white person) but I do not know if they have Neanderthal samples.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
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Does anyone have any idea which testing service is the best to determine Neanderthal genetics?
23 and Me does Neanderthal genetics. They will compare your percentage to others tested, give you some traits that you might have and give you a copy of your DNA marked with which parts are Neanderthal. They are not big on genealogy. Their forte is medical DNA tendencies.

The old GEDmatch used to have some studies you could tap into that compared your genes with archaic DNA. You could see which paleological sites had some of the same DNA traits. I know those went back to Neanderthal and Denisovan. Gedmatch is free to upload your DNA. I optedout when they sold it to another company that did DNA for police work.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
As Nightwolf likes to remind me, even though I probably have a high percentage of Neanderthal DNA (which from friends who work in the field say, you really need a University Study to get clear answers on, not just the "pay us money" businesses) but anyway, he reminds me:

"Remember you and everyone else with this DNA are a HYBRID, no one has 100 percent Neanderthal DNA that is alive today (at least not that we have ever found).

So some people may have a high percentage of tested Neanderthal DNA and still have a "Warrior Gene" from the Cro-Magnon (or other species we bred with) that counteracts it.

Also, what is really fascinating is the more testing is done, the more science is discovering that while most people who are not from Sub-Sharan Africa have at least 1 to 2 percent Neanderthal DNA, it isn't consistent in what DNA it is.

So, it isn't like we "all" got one or two bits of the same thing but rather lots of little bits scattered around all over the place and yep, Fibro is probably a nerve disease (I've got it) and it may be linked at least partly to the pain/nerve DNA found in this study - but there isn't any confirmation yet.
 
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