CORONA My ivermectin adventure

Took first step by contacting my doctor (Kaiser), said I wanted to obtain ivermectin for prophylactic use and/or early outpatient use if needed. Message came back that I would need to contact dermatology, as they have no information about its use. I can see I’ll need to send her a few links soon.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Dermatology may write scripts for it, so they palmed you off to them.
If I recall correctly, it's approved for human use, (in cream form), for folks that have rosacea problems.
 

Nancy in OK

Senior Member
There are a few doctors here prescribing the pills. My 93 and 94 year old parents just got them. I took the injectable form in an 8 oz glass of water. It goes by your weight. My husband has taken several of the injectable with water.
 

etdeb

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Where are you? Can’t fill because no stock, or some rule, legal or corporate?
I don't know, its the whole off box prescribing of meds I think, many meds for designed for one thing but work for others and usually only a small town pharmacy would fill as prescribed. I would say a mix of it all, legal, corp policy and maybe supply.
 
A friends doctor told him CVS wouldn't fill a hydroxychloroquine prescription here in MN. Probably corporate decisions.
Read somewhere that pharmacist cannot refuse to fill unless she knows of dangerous side effects with your other drugs. Simply deciding that X can’t be used on Y is practicing medicine, which they cannot do. Some states did what you describe, it’s illegal.
 
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Jackpine Savage

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Read somewhere that pharmacist cannot refuse to fill unless she knows of dangerous side effects with your other drugs. Simply deciding that D can’t be used on Y is practicing medicine, which they cannot do. Some states did what you describe, it’s illegal.

This same doctor tried to prescribe hydroxy for his brother in FL early last year. The pharmacy down there also refused to fill it.
 

Daytonabill0001

Wheat or Tare, which are you?
Were it me alone, I’d be going to tractor supply.
I got two tubes from them. Spent less than 8 dollars...

Only caveat is, you really need gram scale that reads down to .00 (hundredths) With a gram scale, just take your body weight and multiply by .0048 to get dosage in grams... Mine is 1.09g... Amazon (Yeah, I know...) has then for around 20 buxs...

Hint: Baby food is not that tasty. Gag...
I use banana pudding, now that's good but make sure you stir it around real good because the ivermectin (to me) has a bitter kinda apple taste.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Note: this has been a headache to copy over. I tried to fix it. the article is well-written and I think I fixed it, but my head hurts. If there are any repeat sentences/paragraphs, whatever, my bad...I may try to edit again later...lol



Censorship Kills: The Shunning of a COVID Therapeutic
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By Pierre Kory
March 10, 2021

Doctors fighting COVID-19 should be supported by their profession and their government, not suppressed. Yet today physicians are smothered under a wave of censorship. With coronavirus variants and vaccine hesitancy threatening a prolonged pandemic, the National Institutes of Health and the broader U.S. medical establishment should free doctors to treat this terrible disease with effective medicines.

For centuries, doctors have addressed emerging health threats by prescribing existing drugs for new uses, observing the results, and communicating to their peers and the public what seems to work. In a pandemic, precious time and lives can be lost by an insistence on excessive data and review. But in the current crisis, many in positions of authority have done just that, stubbornly refusing to allow any repurposed treatments. This departure from traditional medical practice risks catastrophe. When doctors on the front lines try to bring awareness of and use such medicines, they get silenced.

I’ve experienced such censorship firsthand. Early in the pandemic, my research led me to testify in the Senate that corticosteroids were life-saving against COVID-19, when all national and international health care agencies recommended against them. My recommendations were criticized, ignored and resisted such that I felt forced to resign my faculty position. Only later did a large study from Oxford University find they were indeed life-saving. Overnight, they became the standard of care worldwide. More recently, we identified through dozens of trials that the drug ivermectin leads to large reductions in transmission, mortality, and time to clinical recovery. After testifying to this fact in a second Senate appearance — the video of which was removed by YouTube after garnering over 8 million views — I was forced to leave another position.

I was delighted when our paper on ivermectin passed a rigorous peer review and was accepted by Frontiers in Pharmacology. The abstract was viewed over 102,000 times by people hungry for answers. Six weeks later, the journal suddenly rejected the paper, based on an unnamed “external expert” who stated that “our conclusions were unsupported,” contradicting the four senior, expert peer reviewers who had earlier accepted them. I can’t help but interpret this in context as censorship.

The science shows that ivermectin works. Over 40 randomized trials and observational studies from around the world attest to its efficacy against the novel coronavirus. Meta-analyses by four separate research groups, including ours, found an average reduction in mortality of between 68%-75%. And 10 of 13 randomized controlled trials found statistically significant reductions in time to viral clearance, an effect not associated with any other COVID-19 therapeutic. Furthermore, ivermectin has an unparalleled safety record and low cost, which should negate any fears or resistance to immediate adoption.

Our manuscript conclusions were further supported by the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD) Panel. Following the World Health Organization Handbook of Guideline Development, it voted to strongly recommend the use of ivermectin in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19, and opined that further placebo controlled trials are unlikely to be ethical.

Even prior to the BIRD Panel recommendations, many countries have approved the use of ivermectin in COVID-19 or formally incorporated it into national treatment guidelines. Several have gone further and initiated large-scale importation and distribution efforts. In the last month alone, such European Union members as Bulgaria and Slovakia have approved its use nationwide. India, Egypt, Peru, Zimbabwe, and Bolivia are distributing it in many regions and observing rapid decreases in excess deaths. Increasing numbers of regional health authorities have advocated for or adopted it across Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, and South Africa. And it is now the standard of care in Mexico City, one of the world’s largest cities.

It’s time to stop the foot-dragging. People are dying. The responsible physicians of this country, and their patients, need to be able to rely on their government institutions to quickly identify effective treatments, rather than waiting for pristine, massive Phase III trials before acting.
At minimum, the NIH should immediately recommend ivermectin for treating and preventing COVID-19, and then work with professional associations, institutions, and the media to publicize its use. If it doesn’t, the organization will lose credibility as a public institution charged with acting in the national interest — and doctors will ignore its guidance in the future.


My story is not unique. Physicians across the country are fighting a pernicious campaign to denigrate all potential treatments not first championed by the authorities, and others have faced retaliation for speaking up. Sadly, too many of our institutions are using the pandemic as a pretext to centralize control over the practice of medicine, persecuting and canceling doctors who follow their clinical judgment and expertise.


Actually “following the science” means listening to practitioners and considering the entirety and diversity of clinical studies. That’s exactly what my colleagues and I have done. We won’t be cowed. We will speak up for our patients and do what’s right.

Pierre Kory, MD, is president and chief medical officer of the Front-Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance.

 
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Ku Commando

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said I wanted to obtain ivermectin for prophylactic use

Use the pharmacist at Tractor Supply


I got two tubes from them. Spent less than 8 dollars...

Only caveat is, you really need gram scale that reads down to .00 (hundredths) With a gram scale, just take your body weight and multiply by .0048 to get dosage in grams... Mine is 1.09g... Amazon (Yeah, I know...) has then for around 20 buxs...


I dunno what this "gram scale" you need......the Ivermectine equine paste comes in a tube meant for a 1000 lb horse.....BUT, the dispenser has an adjustable ring to set the weight for the animal you want to administer this to.....usually in 50 lb increments. So just dial up 200 lbs for yourself, squirt it onto a bagel w/ cream cheese & you're good to go.

'Course you could just man-up & squirt the tube right into yer mouth like the animals......then you can chase it w/ some whiskey or sumpin'

DO NOT dose yourself more than 4 times per year !!!
 

Daytonabill0001

Wheat or Tare, which are you?
The tubes I got musta been hot too long because it ran down the tube and solidified. In cases like that, scale works to prevent accidental overdose...

Bagel&cheese? That sounds like a great idea! I'm going to try that, I'm due another dose on the 27th...

Tube is for a 1250 lb horse, not 1000.

4 times a year? Nope, once every thirty days...
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
I don't know, its the whole off box prescribing of meds I think, many meds for designed for one thing but work for others and usually only a small town pharmacy would fill as prescribed. I would say a mix of it all, legal, corp policy and maybe supply.

The NIH repurposed ivermectin against COVID in January, the 15th, I believe, and the WHO is reviewing it now and should release their findings in a week or so.

My dr. had said that they are using it at the clinic for high-risk people, that was the status several weeks ago. I don't know if it changed or not.
 

catskinner

Veteran Member
Husband takes Hydroxychlorquine. Got a message from the pharmacy that it hadn't been filled because it was held up by the insurance company. They filled it a day later, but that was just weird. Can't imagine what they would say about Ivermectin.
 
Husband takes Hydroxychlorquine. Got a message from the pharmacy that it hadn't been filled because it was held up by the insurance company. They filled it a day later, but that was just weird. Can't imagine what they would say about Ivermectin.
Takes it for COVID or something else?
 
The NIH repurposed ivermectin against COVID in January, the 15th, I believe, and the WHO is reviewing it now and should release their findings in a week or so.

My dr. had said that they are using it at the clinic for high-risk people, that was the status several weeks ago. I don't know if it changed or not.
NIH changed from against use outside of clinical trial to neither for against use outside of clinical trial, allowing doctors to use as they see fit. Was that you were saying?
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
NIH changed from against use outside of clinical trial to neither for against use outside of clinical trial, allowing doctors to use as they see fit. Was that you were saying?


https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-...19-Recommendation-Change-Jan15.2021-final.pdf


PRESS RELEASE | January 15, 2021 NIH Revises Treatment Guidelines for Ivermectin for the Treatment of COVID-19 Ivermectin is Now a Therapeutic Option for Doctors & Prescribers NEW YORK, N.Y. — JANUARY 15, 2021

One week after Dr. Paul Marik and Dr. Pierre Kory—founding members of the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC)— along with Dr. Andrew Hill, researcher and consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO), presented their data before the NIH Treatment Guidelines Panel, the NIH has upgraded their recommendation on ivermectin, making it an option for use in COVID-19.

This new designation upgraded the status of ivermectin from “against” to “neither for nor against”, which is the same recommendation given to monoclonal antibodies and convalescent plasma, both widely used across the nation.

By no longer recommending against ivermectin use, doctors should feel more open in prescribing ivermectin as another therapeutic option for the treatment of COVID-19. This may clear its path towards FDA emergency use approval. “ Ivermectin is one of the world’s safest, cheapest and most widely available drugs,” noted Dr. Kory, President of the FLCCC Alliance. “The studies we presented to the NIH revealed high levels of statistical significance showing large magnitude benefit in transmission rates, need for hospitalization, and death. What’s more, the totality of trials data supporting ivermectin is without precedent.”

In its ivermectin recommendations update, the NIH also indicated they will continue to review additional trials as they are released. “We are encouraged that the NIH has moved off of its August 27 recommendation against the use of ivermectin for COVID-19,” continued Kory. “That recommendation was made just as the numerous compelling studies for ivermectin were starting to roll in. New studies are still coming in, and as they are received and reviewed, it is our hope that the NIH’s recommendation for the use of ivermectin will be the strongest recommendation for its use as possible.”

(Continued on page 2)

For more information about the FLCCC Alliance, the I-Mask+ Prophylaxis & Early Outpatient Treatment Protocol for COVID-19 and the MATH+ Hospital Treatment Protocol for COVID-19, please visit www.flccc.net Page 2 / 2 Current meta-analyses of studies of ivermectin from around the world show a compelling trend towards the drug’s potent benefits against SARS-CoV-2. Ivermectin, developed in 1975, led to the eradication of a “pandemic” of parasitic diseases across multiple continents and earned the 2015 Nobel Prize for Physiology or Medicine for its discoverers, Dr. William Campbell and Dr. Ōmura Satoshi. In related news, the manuscript written by the FLCCC has been accepted for publication, following a rigorous peer review, in Frontiers in Pharmacology. The full paper will be published within the next couple of weeks, however the  preview can be found here.
 

2dollarbill

Veteran Member
I got my prophylactic script from America's Frontline Doctors. They contract with pharmacies that have no problem filling the prescription and send to you by FedEx.

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Stormie, if you don't mid saying, how long did the process take? I understand the telemed phone call costs 90 bucks, what about the perscription? How much does that cost and how much do they send you? Is it enough for a couple of people or just yourself? Thanks in advance.

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cheyenneplateau

Dove Chocolate tastes way better than their soap.
Y'all be careful with the Ivermectin. I took it as a preventative. Dosed 1st day, third day and a month later, then once a month after that. I had a blood test 2 weeks ago and my liver enzymes were elevated. My Vet said this might happen and sure enough it did. (I don't drink so its not elevated because of that).
I went to my naturopath and had a vitamin IV done (I do them a few times a year) and they gave me a push of glutathione in the IV fluid towards the end. They said that Glutathione will lower the liver enzymes. I also bought a bottle of liposomal Glutathione to take at home.
If you're going to take Ivermectin with any regularity as a preventative, please have a blood test once in a while.
YMMV.
 
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Kaiser lied to me. They said it was FDA approved.

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is a vaccine and may prevent you from getting COVID-19. There is no U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19.
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stormie

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Stormie, if you don't mid saying, how long did the process take? I understand the telemed phone call costs 90 bucks, what about the perscription? How much does that cost and how much do they send you? Is it enough for a couple of people or just yourself? Thanks in advance.

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I paid $45 dollars in advance so i could set up a specific telemed appointment time rather than wait by the phone and computer for them to set it up.However the doctor I got was 45 minutes late for my appointment. After the visit is over you then pay the remainder amount. My friend said she waited two days for them before they connected with her. She hadn't paid anything ahead of time though. She just requested an appointment online.

I'm embarrassed to say that I don't remember how much the presciption costs. The pharmacy initially checked to see if my insurance would cover it and it didn't. I think it was around $120. I got it in December, and I just now checked my online banking ledger. It doesn't go back that far so I can't tell you for sure. All I remember is that I was ok with the price. During the telemed conference the doc asked if I preferred Hydroxy or Ivermectin. I chose Hydroxy. She prescribed Hydroxy, Azithromycin, and dexamethazone. I received enough to treat one person. She told me that because as a physician she treats and is around sick covid patients all the time that she takes hydroxy in a preventative dose every day and has never gotten sick at all.

About 30 min after the doc visit the pharmacy called me to verify all my info and payment method. That took about 5 min. They send it by Fedex to be received 3 days later.

My friend that used Frontline Doctors told me that the doctor gave her a prescription for two people with only one telemed call. She, as well as I, was very happy with the whole process.

edited to add pharmacy and fedex times.
 
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2dollarbill

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I paid $45 dollars in advance so i could set up a specific telemed appointment time rather than wait by the phone and computer for them to set it up.However the doctor I got was 45 minutes late for my appointment. After the visit is over you then pay the remainder amount. My friend said she waited two days for them before they connected with her. She hadn't paid anything ahead of time though. She just requested an appointment online.

My friend that used Frontline Doctors told me that the doctor gave her a prescription for two people with only one telemed call. She, as well as I, was very happy with the whole process.
Thanks stormie...

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