CHAT Musings on Trump, Lee, civil war, and vax

[Mtsilverback]

I have an evolving vision of what could happen. One that has been lurking in my thoughts in fragments and are starting to take on a form. I imagine others here are far ahead of my rattled brain imaginings. However, they are forming. It is all a matter of math and how to complicate the lives of those that greatly deserve it, without realizing loss's for our side.

 

[GingerN]

Sorry but your Lee facts are kind of bullshit, just sayin. The US had its ass handed to them on more occasions at the hands of Lee than anyone else in history. It was a war of attrition. He was the better tactician. The north was led by the second string much like our govt today. The south captured tons of so called "advanced " weaponry and imported more of the best rilfes of the time, the Enfield rifled musket. The north had more bodies to throw into the fray, and that is exactly how they won. It wasn't because the US army was superior in any way. Period.
Had he continued to fight the war on the defensive instead of trying go offensive he would've eventually ground down the union army and they would've had their independence and we would be far better off today. But Jeff Davis pushed him to invade which led to his biggest losses.

General Lee, God love him, made 2 mistakes, with 1 of them having no way around it because he was an honorable man who loved his nation, and his fellow man. That mistake was that he believed others were as honorable as he, Jackson, and Davis were. He didn't understand the evil that inhabited men like Sherman (spit spit ugh) or Grant, who was a drunkard. The only tactical mistake I can see for him (and I may be mistaken as that was his purview, not mine) is that when he should have pushed forward after BullRun rather than rejoice. I don't know. The man was a genius, and a truly good man, so he had his reasons, I am sure.

You know, I hear people talk about Lee and the rest of the Confederacy being traitors and it breaks my heart and angers me at the same time. The declaration of independence gave us the right to break away from a government that didn't serve us. I think people need to read the Declaration and the Constitution again, and understand it this time.

 

[Dozdoats]

In the early days, people wrote "united States," with a small u. Lee stayed loyal to Virginia. I cannot fault him for that. Other than that, demographics is destiny, and anone who ran the numbers could predict the eventual outcome in advance.

Lee has been a middle name in my family for generations, after my ancestor got out of the war.

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[Caplock50]

One thing everybody needs to understand is that CW I was never about freeing the slaves. It was totally about 'State's Rights'. Slavery was just their 'cover story'...

Want to hear that 'truth' from a soldier who fought in that war? I've got a link to a video if you do.

 

[Caplock50]

Well...no one asked, but I'm going to post it anyway. The whole video is well worth watching, but for just the part about what the war was fought over, start watching at about the 13:20 minute mark... Oh and this interview was done in 1947. So, be prepared to hear some 'outdated' language...

""Civil War Interview Corporal Julius Franklin General Howell Born 1846 Died 1948.""

run time= 16:25

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chR2PJMkkpE

 

[Raggedyman]

Thoughtful post, but allow me, please, to diverge from your thoughts on a few points.

1. I see nothing attractive about a war of any kind, but most especially what I'm now calling Uncivil War 2 or UCW2. (I suspect you feel the same way).
2. Who are going to be uprooted for the separation, vaxxed or unvaxxed? I don't see either of them moving voluntarily.
3. With all their fixation on "horse paste", it's difficult to envision ivermectin being accepted by the unvaxxed as a reasonable solution - science, empirical results and meta-analysis of the many studies notwithstanding. IOW, don't confuse the enemy - yes, that's what they have solidified themselves into - with facts.
4. What I bolded - your best point with which I completely agree. But we're not the ones (generally) who feel and act that way.
5. I don't see the upcoming UCW2 as a war of conquest as much as I see it as a war of desperate survival. This will be fought in an environment of no operable grid, no food, a completely failed logistics system, horrible health/sanitation conditions, almost non-existent medical care and - even after the initial "sorting" of those who don't make it past the opening salvos - confusion identifying the enemy.
6. Your conclusion seems to assume that there will be a reasonable number of survivors on either side (or the various sides which coalesce) before a surrender or truce or things sputtering out just due to exhaustion. At this point, it's difficult to foresee UCW2 ending without a pretty-much-complete annihilation of the enemy, unless an outside solution is forced onto the survivors, a la the Bosnia/Herzegovina impasse.

a well reasoned post.

looking at it from the standpoint of "available options" - outside of a significant UNIFIED REFUSAL to comply - there aren't any others readily apparent other than a weapons free state. NOBODY in their right mind wants that - yet we seem to be unavoidably headed in that direction. the seemingly just ahead and virtually guaranteed "hard landing" would seem to put us pretty well down the road toward what Gerald Celente warns of:

"when people have nothing left to lose they lose it"​

I firmly agree that no one WANTS this - yet come it will - simply because they are forcing it on us. the unhappy truth is that if we do not stand as one and simply REFUSE to comply, we're going where they'd have us to go anyway - a lose/lose, damned if you do/damned if you don't proposition.

 

[Caplock50]

Lol found this one and you will enjoy watching it, too. This guy seems to be 'explaining' today's problems by explaining the country's problems back in 1861.

""The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston.""
October 2015

run time= 47:16

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S96iQYL0bw

 

[artichoke]

General Lee, God love him, made 2 mistakes, with 1 of them having no way around it because he was an honorable man who loved his nation, and his fellow man. That mistake was that he believed others were as honorable as he, Jackson, and Davis were. He didn't understand the evil that inhabited men like Sherman (spit spit ugh) or Grant, who was a drunkard. The only tactical mistake I can see for him (and I may be mistaken as that was his purview, not mine) is that when he should have pushed forward after BullRun rather than rejoice. I don't know. The man was a genius, and a truly good man, so he had his reasons, I am sure.

You know, I hear people talk about Lee and the rest of the Confederacy being traitors and it breaks my heart and angers me at the same time. The declaration of independence gave us the right to break away from a government that didn't serve us. I think people need to read the Declaration and the Constitution again, and understand it this time.

Yes, after that secession was put down, the US became something the founders never envisioned and would have warned against. The Preamble to the D of I is still beautiful prose and a part of our history, but we don't mean it anymore.

 

[SNOWSQUAW]

It seems Saturday was a non-starter..

 

[Dozdoats]

Never fear. They will try again, harder. Maybe with better "conservative" leadership.

 

[MinnesotaSmith]

General Lee, God love him, made 2 mistakes, with 1 of them having no way around it because he was an honorable man who loved his nation, and his fellow man. That mistake was that he believed others were as honorable as he, Jackson, and Davis were. He didn't understand the evil that inhabited men like Sherman (spit spit ugh) or Grant, who was a drunkard. The only tactical mistake I can see for him (and I may be mistaken as that was his purview, not mine) is that when he should have pushed forward after BullRun rather than rejoice. I don't know. The man was a genius, and a truly good man, so he had his reasons, I am sure.

You know, I hear people talk about Lee and the rest of the Confederacy being traitors and it breaks my heart and angers me at the same time. The declaration of independence gave us the right to break away from a government that didn't serve us. I think people need to read the Declaration and the Constitution again, and understand it this time.

Lee was not in command at the Battle of Bull Run in July 1861. That was Bureguard (sp). Lee came on in 1862.