As well as Big Phama.......
BRKG Multiple people have been shot at the @FedEx facility near Indianapolis International Airport.
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Amen.
Josie
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DD is a professional counselor. She has clients that need treatment for any number of mental problems from depression to eating disorders. YOU CANNOT GET THEM IN to the few places still in operation. The best she can do is a 48 hour admit into a regular hospital that has a psychiatrist on staff. He/she may have more leverage to get someone in than she does. And yes, I just asked a bit ago and most of her clients are female and younger than 30.
ETA...and according to her, a few of them desperately need to be locked up! But her hands are tied after she reports her suspicions to the authorities.
Bubble Head
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When will the families of those taken by the pharmaceutical and pot dispensaries begin to sue the companies themselves? The commiecrats want this legal action against the gun manufacturers. I want it for the drug sellers.
Here's a current example:
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Maybe opioid & current discussion are apples/oranges...
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Judge Blocks Lawsuits Against Sackler Family As OxyContin Bankruptcy Talks Continue
Two dozen states had hoped to sue the owners of Purdue Pharma for their alleged role in the opioid crisis. But a federal bankruptcy has judge put the brakes on — again — until April 21.
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BRIAN MANN
A federal judge extended a block on lawsuits against members of the Sackler family, owners of Purdue Pharma, until April 21. The drug-maker filed for bankruptcy in 2019, facing an avalanche of claims linked to the marketing and sale of its highly addictive painkiller OxyContin.
Toby Talbot/AP
Federal bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain extended an injunction on lawsuits against members of the Sackler family, owners of Purdue Pharma, until April 21.
Drain made the ruling Wednesday from his court in White Plains, N.Y., while urging parties to move swiftly to hash out a final deal over the future of the embattled drug company.
More than two dozen state attorneys general are still hoping to move forward with separate civil claims against the Sacklers, who earned more than $10.8 billion selling opioids.
According to Drain, however, that kind of legal scrum would "irreparably harm the ability to conclude these negotiations."
He also suggested the threat of new state lawsuits against the Sacklers was a "misguided" effort to gain leverage over the family in bankruptcy talks.
At issue is how Purdue Pharma and its owners will be held accountable for their role in an opioid epidemic that's killed more than 450,000 Americans.
The drug-maker filed for bankruptcy in 2019, facing an avalanche of claims linked to the marketing and sale of its highly addictive painkiller OxyContin.
Last year, the company also pleaded guilty, for a second time, to federal criminal charges linked to its opioid practices.
Members of the Sackler family who own the private firm and served on its board of directors maintain they did nothing wrong.
As part of bankruptcy talks, they've offered to give up control of the company and pay roughly $4.2 billion.
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Bubble Head
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Thanks Luddite. It is a start but not what is needed. Here in Colorado we are plagued with juvenile suicides' because they are eating edible pot that has a THC rate 80% higher then your old college pot. We have more and more auto accidents happening due to pot alone and the mixing with alcohol. Deadly combination. We now have places like Boulder legalizing hallucinogens like LSD. All the making of a society bent on MK Ultra themselves. A lawsuit against a dispensary would be in order. A lawsuit against a psychiatrist would be a start. Many of the shooters are on the watch list and receiving care. What kind of watch list? One that can be activated. Not many options for those of us that have to live with this but lawsuits are still one door that remains open. Discoveries are a bitch.
Pancakes45
Contributing Member
They just announced that the kid used two “assault rifles” and they were purchased locally. Here we go...
IMPD says assault rifles used in Thursday's mass shooting were purchased legally
IMPD says assault rifles used in Thursday’s mass shooting were purchased legally
IMPD says assault rifles used in Thursday's mass shooting were purchased legally
IMPD says assault rifles used in Thursday’s mass shooting were purchased legally
jward
passin' thru
FedEx shooter Brandon Scott Hole bought guns legally last year: police
By Kathianne Boniello
April 18, 2021 | 12:37am | Updated
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Authorities seized a shotgun from FedEx gunman Brandon Scott Hole, 19, last year after his mother called police because she was worried he would try to commit suicide by cop, the FBI said. IMPD/MEGA
The former FedEx worker who murdered eight people in Indianapolis legally bought the two weapons he used, police said Saturday night — even though he should have been barred from doing so after a previous gun was seized due to mental health issues.
Brandon Scott Hole, 19, purchased the two assault rifles in July and September, Indianapolis police said Saturday.
Earlier Saturday, police declined to give The Post any further details about the make and model of the weapons, citing the ongoing investigation.
Authorities had seized a shotgun from Hole last year after his mother called police, saying she was worried he would try to commit suicide by cop, according to the FBI. The shotgun was not returned.
But the seizure should have prevented Hole, who killed himself following the Thursday night rampage, from legally buying another weapon, Indianapolis Police Chief Ranal Taylor told The New York Times.
Police tape blocks the entrance to the site of a mass shooting at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis.AFP via Getty Images
Indiana’s “red flag” laws allow a judge to bar someone deemed dangerous from having a firearm, but it’s unclear if Hole ever had a red flag hearing, Taylor told the paper.
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nypost.com
By Kathianne Boniello
April 18, 2021 | 12:37am | Updated
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Authorities seized a shotgun from FedEx gunman Brandon Scott Hole, 19, last year after his mother called police because she was worried he would try to commit suicide by cop, the FBI said. IMPD/MEGA
The former FedEx worker who murdered eight people in Indianapolis legally bought the two weapons he used, police said Saturday night — even though he should have been barred from doing so after a previous gun was seized due to mental health issues.
Brandon Scott Hole, 19, purchased the two assault rifles in July and September, Indianapolis police said Saturday.
Earlier Saturday, police declined to give The Post any further details about the make and model of the weapons, citing the ongoing investigation.
Authorities had seized a shotgun from Hole last year after his mother called police, saying she was worried he would try to commit suicide by cop, according to the FBI. The shotgun was not returned.
But the seizure should have prevented Hole, who killed himself following the Thursday night rampage, from legally buying another weapon, Indianapolis Police Chief Ranal Taylor told The New York Times.
Police tape blocks the entrance to the site of a mass shooting at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis.AFP via Getty Images
Indiana’s “red flag” laws allow a judge to bar someone deemed dangerous from having a firearm, but it’s unclear if Hole ever had a red flag hearing, Taylor told the paper.
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FedEx shooter had gun stripped from him but still managed to buy two new weapons legally: police
The former FedEx worker who murdered eight people in Indianapolis legally bought the two weapons he used, police said Saturday night — even though he should have been barred from doing so aft…
nypost.com
jward
passin' thru
No words. 
American News Apr 18, 2021 12:09 PM EST
Suspected FedEx shooter was part of My Little Pony 'brony' subculture
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
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Noah David Alter Toronto
April 18, 2021 12:09 PM 1 mins reading
The man accused of orchestrating the mass shooting at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis was a "brony," a term used to refer to adult male followers of the girls' television show My Little Pony, Washington Examiner reports.
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Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
While Hole's Facebook page has since been taken down. While it offered no clues on what motivated Hole's rampage, it did reveal that he was a fan of the Vancouver-produced television show.
"I hope that I can be with Applejack in the afterlife, my life has no meaning without her," Hole posted shortly before the shooting. Applejack is one of the main ponies on the show.
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The brony fandom first began in the early 2010s as a joke, but has since developed into a genuine subculture of adult fans.
Hole, a former employee of the FedEx facility, was placed in a mental hospital after his mother reported that he may intend to commit "suicide by cop," a practice by which suicidal people provoke a police officer into taking their life when they feel unable or unwilling to do it themselves.
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American News Apr 18, 2021 12:09 PM EST
Suspected FedEx shooter was part of My Little Pony 'brony' subculture
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
Advertisement
Noah David Alter Toronto
April 18, 2021 12:09 PM 1 mins reading
The man accused of orchestrating the mass shooting at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis was a "brony," a term used to refer to adult male followers of the girls' television show My Little Pony, Washington Examiner reports.
Advertisement
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
While Hole's Facebook page has since been taken down. While it offered no clues on what motivated Hole's rampage, it did reveal that he was a fan of the Vancouver-produced television show.
"I hope that I can be with Applejack in the afterlife, my life has no meaning without her," Hole posted shortly before the shooting. Applejack is one of the main ponies on the show.
Advertisement
The brony fandom first began in the early 2010s as a joke, but has since developed into a genuine subculture of adult fans.
Hole, a former employee of the FedEx facility, was placed in a mental hospital after his mother reported that he may intend to commit "suicide by cop," a practice by which suicidal people provoke a police officer into taking their life when they feel unable or unwilling to do it themselves.
Please see site for video
Posted for fair use
Suspected FedEx shooter was part of My Little Pony ‘brony’ subculture
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
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bw
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Melodi
Disaster Cat
You know, they keep saying he bought the guns "legally" after his first ones were confiscated under a mental health order - if that is the case the guns were not actually bought "legally" as far as I understand US law, which may not be correct. They were not legally bought because there SHOULD have been a red flag on the background check which means the people ultimately responsible here are either the ones who didn't enter the data and/or ignored it.
The fact that the Mom reported him and the fact that he had been an actual mental patient (not just a Vet someone didn't like or something) and had had guns removed (I am guessing by a court order or at least under the law codes) means he didn't qualify to buy new fire arms, at least not until a judge cleared it or something.
Again, I don't know the exact laws in his State and the Federal Standards have changed a lot but I am now really confused.
The fact that the Mom reported him and the fact that he had been an actual mental patient (not just a Vet someone didn't like or something) and had had guns removed (I am guessing by a court order or at least under the law codes) means he didn't qualify to buy new fire arms, at least not until a judge cleared it or something.
Again, I don't know the exact laws in his State and the Federal Standards have changed a lot but I am now really confused.
I would not take that bet at 100 to 1 odds.
A stand alone "Baker act" or one followed up with a "Red flag order" can temporarily take a persons guns and stick them in a mental ward for evaluation for up to 3 days. If they ae not cort ordered committed longer than that they get their guns back. The red flag orders are typically good for a year (Other states may vary but they are a year in FL). Once the year is up, if they don't have additional info that the subject is an ongoing threat, they get their guns back. In either case, once the red flag expires they are still eligible to purchase additional firearms.
Crazy people are dangerous UPDATED! – The Daley Gator
UNCATEGORIZEDApril 18, 2021
Crazy people are dangerous UPDATED!
AS noted reporter/blogger Stacy McCain always says crazy people are dangerous. Zendo Deb applies that truth and ponders why the FBI keeps missing potential mass shooters
If they weren’t so busy being the Democrat’s secret police… Who am I kidding? They would still be incompetent. FBI says it interviewed FedEx mass shooter last year
So how many mass shooters in the past 5 years or so has the FBI interviewed or known about BEFORE they committed their crimes? Now I know you can’t arrest someone for what they might do, but this is getting ridiculous.
UPDATE! Via The Other McCain
A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives trace revealed that the weapons used by Brandon Hole, 19, in Thursday’s attack were purchased legally in July and September of 2020, the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department said.
Paul Keenan, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Indianapolis field office,
said on Friday that the FBI had interviewed Hole in April 2020 after his mother warned that he might commit “suicide by cop.”
Hole was placed in a mental health detention and had his shotgun seized. Agents at the time found no evidence of a crime or a racially motivated ideology, Keenan said.
So, apparently the FBI just missed his insanity then? If so, why was his shotgun not returned?
Yet months earlier, in March 2020, Hole’s mother told law enforcement that he might try to “commit suicide by cop,” the FBI Indianapolis office said in a statement.
It would seem his shotgun should have been returned if he was not deemed a threat. And if was not returned why was he able to pass two background checks. Something does not add up
UNCATEGORIZEDApril 18, 2021
Crazy people are dangerous UPDATED!
AS noted reporter/blogger Stacy McCain always says crazy people are dangerous. Zendo Deb applies that truth and ponders why the FBI keeps missing potential mass shooters
If they weren’t so busy being the Democrat’s secret police… Who am I kidding? They would still be incompetent. FBI says it interviewed FedEx mass shooter last year
So how many mass shooters in the past 5 years or so has the FBI interviewed or known about BEFORE they committed their crimes? Now I know you can’t arrest someone for what they might do, but this is getting ridiculous.
Great question. Protecting civil rights and protecting the public is tough. I am not sure how we strike the right balance. Any ideas?
UPDATE! Via The Other McCain
If the police seized a shotgun from the shooters home, how was he able to pass the background check?. It seems he bought them in July and September, after the shotgun was seized
A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives trace revealed that the weapons used by Brandon Hole, 19, in Thursday’s attack were purchased legally in July and September of 2020, the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department said.
Paul Keenan, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Indianapolis field office,
said on Friday that the FBI had interviewed Hole in April 2020 after his mother warned that he might commit “suicide by cop.”
Hole was placed in a mental health detention and had his shotgun seized. Agents at the time found no evidence of a crime or a racially motivated ideology, Keenan said.
So, apparently the FBI just missed his insanity then? If so, why was his shotgun not returned?
Yet months earlier, in March 2020, Hole’s mother told law enforcement that he might try to “commit suicide by cop,” the FBI Indianapolis office said in a statement.
It would seem his shotgun should have been returned if he was not deemed a threat. And if was not returned why was he able to pass two background checks. Something does not add up
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
What happened to the two shooters initially? And one was yelling words others didn't understand. Did i miss something?
jward
passin' thru
Goodness. So many shootings hard to keep the cases straight in ones' mind.
I think that this instance there was a confirmed "vigilante" who went to his car, retrieved
weapon and attempted to end the attack. That man was killed, though : (
one mention of it is found in post 154.
I think that this instance there was a confirmed "vigilante" who went to his car, retrieved
weapon and attempted to end the attack. That man was killed, though : (
one mention of it is found in post 154.
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, I've learned something new today. My daughter was also a fan of My Little Pony but she was seven at the time.No words.
American News Apr 18, 2021 12:09 PM EST
Suspected FedEx shooter was part of My Little Pony 'brony' subculture
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
Advertisement
Noah David Alter Toronto
April 18, 2021 12:09 PM 1 mins reading
The man accused of orchestrating the mass shooting at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis was a "brony," a term used to refer to adult male followers of the girls' television show My Little Pony, Washington Examiner reports.
Advertisement
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
While Hole's Facebook page has since been taken down. While it offered no clues on what motivated Hole's rampage, it did reveal that he was a fan of the Vancouver-produced television show.
"I hope that I can be with Applejack in the afterlife, my life has no meaning without her," Hole posted shortly before the shooting. Applejack is one of the main ponies on the show.
Advertisement
The brony fandom first began in the early 2010s as a joke, but has since developed into a genuine subculture of adult fans.
Hole, a former employee of the FedEx facility, was placed in a mental hospital after his mother reported that he may intend to commit "suicide by cop," a practice by which suicidal people provoke a police officer into taking their life when they feel unable or unwilling to do it themselves.
Please see site for video
Posted for fair use
Suspected FedEx shooter was part of My Little Pony ‘brony’ subculture
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
What the he'll has happened to our kids????
Bubble Head
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Who would have ever guessed Applejack was the trigger word while watching My little Pony. Times change and so do the spooks behind the curtain. It use to be "Catcher in the Rye."
Makes you wonder where the idea for the film "Telefon" came from doesn't it?..........
TKO
Veteran Member
At the hardware store yesterday. Talked to the owner a bit. No masks in there either. Freedom is starting in Indiana again. Anyway, store owner thinks someone from deep state is putting these shooters up to this. I told him, "Sure seems like it." First time I've heard it from someone I know. I believe it myself.
bobfall2005
Veteran Member
I would take that bet ar 10 to 1.
bobfall2005
Veteran Member
My little pony?
mzkitty
I give up.
Trumper, conservative, white militia, racist and BronyNo words.
American News Apr 18, 2021 12:09 PM EST
Suspected FedEx shooter was part of My Little Pony 'brony' subculture
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
Advertisement
Noah David Alter Toronto
April 18, 2021 12:09 PM 1 mins reading
The man accused of orchestrating the mass shooting at a FedEx facility in Indianapolis was a "brony," a term used to refer to adult male followers of the girls' television show My Little Pony, Washington Examiner reports.
Advertisement
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
While Hole's Facebook page has since been taken down. While it offered no clues on what motivated Hole's rampage, it did reveal that he was a fan of the Vancouver-produced television show.
"I hope that I can be with Applejack in the afterlife, my life has no meaning without her," Hole posted shortly before the shooting. Applejack is one of the main ponies on the show.
Advertisement
The brony fandom first began in the early 2010s as a joke, but has since developed into a genuine subculture of adult fans.
Hole, a former employee of the FedEx facility, was placed in a mental hospital after his mother reported that he may intend to commit "suicide by cop," a practice by which suicidal people provoke a police officer into taking their life when they feel unable or unwilling to do it themselves.
Please see site for video
Posted for fair use
Suspected FedEx shooter was part of My Little Pony ‘brony’ subculture
Brandon Scott Hole, allegedly murdered eight people before taking his own life.
yea, makes perfect sense.
I mentioned to sweetie that the guy was probably an incel.
She asked "What's an incel?"
I says "the polar opposite of a MGTOW"
She asked "What's a MGTOW"
I says "the incel and the MGTOW are two ends of the spectrum of guys who aren't getting laid. One wants to get laid and can't. The other wants to get laid but the price of subservience is simply too high"
Now, I can add further subtlety. One is a fan of My Little Pony. The other isn't.
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