MNKYPOX Monkeypox - Consolidated Thread.

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Monkey Pox
Truth versus Fearporn.




I keep getting asked the same question again and again; is this outbreak of monkey pox a real threat, or is this another case of overstated and weaponized public health messaging? I am going to save my answer to this question for the end of this article and instead focus on what monkey pox is, the nature and characteristics of the associated disease, what we know and don’t know.

The monkeypox virus, which originates in various regions of Africa, is related to SmallPox (Variola), which are both members of the genus Orthopoxvirus. However, it is important to understand that Variola (major or minor) is the species of virus which is responsible for the worst human disease caused by the Orthopox viruses. For example, Cowpox, Horsepox, and Camelpox are also members of this genus, none of which are a major health threat to humans, and one of which (Cowpox) has even been (historically) used as a Smallpox vaccine. My point is that just because Monkeypox is related to Smallpox, this does not in any way mean that it represents a similar public health threat. Anyone who implies otherwise is basically engaged in or otherwise supporting weaponized public health-related propaganda. In other words, spreading public health fearporn.

Monkeypox was first identified in 1958 in colonies of monkeys, and the first human case of the virus was identified in 1970 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Most likely this was just the first case identified, as people living in Africa have been in contact with monkeys and the other Monkeypox animal hosts for millennia. The “West African” monkeypox clade (clade = variant) circulating outside of Africa at this time causes a milder disease compared to the closely related virus found found in other regions of Africa (Congo clade).

The symptoms of monkeypox are somewhat similar to, but much milder than smallpox disease. The general clinical presentation of the disease caused by the West African monkey pox clade virus involves Influenza-like symptoms — fever, body aches, chills — together with swollen lymph nodes. A rash on the palm of the hand is often observed. In the latter stage of the disease, which may last for up to a month or more in some cases, may involve small lesions which develop a crust, and which can result in a small depigmented scar. There is no evidence of asymptomatic transmission. In other words, current medical knowledge indicates that it is only spread by person to person contact between an uninfected individual and someone who already has symptoms of the disease. Therefore, disease spread can be readily controlled by classical public health interventions such as contact tracing, temporary quarantine of those who have had physical contact with someone who is infected, and longer term quarantine of those who develop symptoms. Essentially all of the current cases in the west which we are seeing in the news are among men who have sex with men, and appear to be due to close physical contact. Monkeypox is endemic in many parts of Africa, and is a “zoonotic” virus, meaning it can be transmitted from a variety of animals (not just monkeys) to humans. Initial animal to human transmission followed by limited human to human transmission is probably the cause of the sporadic cases typically observed in Africa. Chicken pox, which is highly transmissible, is not part of the genus Orthopoxvirus, despite that name “pox.” Once again for emphasis, Cowpox and Camelpox are also in the genus Orthopoxvirus, and they are not particularly pathogenic when contracted by humans; just because Monkeypox is a “pox” virus in the genus Orthopoxvirus, does not mean it is particularly deadly.

Monkeypox is a double stranded DNA virus, which means that due to the double stranded nature of DNA each of the two strands act as a “check” on the other during replication. As a consequence of this “error checking”, this and other DNA viruses mutate much more slowly than RNA viruses do. Over time, DNA virus genomes are relatively stable. This means that, unlike SARS-CoV-2 (COVID) or influenza, Monkeypox is unlikely to rapidly evolve to escape either naturally acquired or vaccine induced immunity. For the purposes of making a vaccine, this makes it a much easier target that say, a rapidly evolving RNA Coronavirus such as SARS-CoV-2, the virus which causes COVID-19. Furthermore, from an immunological point of view, the various Orthopox viruses often are cross-protective. In other words, if you have been vaccinated with a smallpox vaccine, or previously infected by Cowpox, Camelpox, or Monkeypox, you are highly likely to be quite resistant to disease caused by the Monkeypox virus which is now being (quite rarely) reported in non-African countries.

Current data indicate that Monkeypox is not very infectious in humans - it has a low Ro (perhaps below 1), which is the term used to describe how efficiency an infectious disease can spread from human to human. Again, this is super good news for containment. An Ro of <1 generally means that (even in the absence of social distancing of other containment measures), for every person already infected, on average less than one other person will become infected.

For comparison purposes, the Omicron variants of SARS-CoV-2 have an Ro in the range of 7 to 10. A virus with an Ro of less than one can be easily contained with the standard public health methods discussed above. A virus with an Ro of 7-10 essentially cannot be contained and will rapidly spread throughout the world, as we have seen with the Omicron variants. In the case of a virus with an Ro around 1 or less, traditional infectious disease containment methods such as contact tracing, identification and isolation of infected individuals can be all that is needed to control the virus. Now the fact that Monkeypox is being spread from human to human (rather than only arising from contact between a person and an infected animal) is not such good news, but since this transmission appears to be from very close contact, this means that it can be easily contained without resorting to a general population vaccination campaign. In this type of setting, if there is a significant outbreak, vaccination is often restricted to just the health care and/or first responder personnel most likely to be in contact with an infected person. Using a vaccine to help that containment via either “ring” vaccination or wide-spread vaccination strategies is generally unnecessary, and may even be counterproductive, depending on the safety of the vaccine - keeping in mind that no drug or vaccine is perfectly safe.

Let me take a moment to tell a personal story to illustrate this point. After the 9-11 events including the anthrax letters, I took a job involving clinical development of a wide range of biodefense vaccines under a US Department of Defense (DoD) contract (issued to Dynport Vaccine Company). One of the vaccine indications we worked on was for prevention of Smallpox. The Vice President of the United States at the time, Mr. Dick Cheney, was advocating for widespread vaccination against smallpox because it was thought that there was something like a 1% chance of a bioterror attack involving reintroduction of smallpox into the United States. The existing live attenuated smallpox vaccine began to be deployed throughout the United States to healthcare workers and first responders. Then multiple reports of vaccine-caused damage began to circulate. I was tasked with looking into historic DoD smallpox vaccine campaign records concerning these types of “adverse events”. Adverse events after administration of this live attenuated vaccine were well known, and generally fell into two categories. In some cases, a small subset of young warfighters and recruits had some previously undetected immunologic defect which resulted in them developing an ongoing infection by the live attenuated vaccine virus that was being used at the time. The other group developed more subtle symptoms including what now appears to have been vaccination-associated myo- and pericarditis - typically ascribed to an autoimmune process. These problems were known risks back when smallpox vaccination was common (and smallpox had not been eradicated) and therefore no surprise when the same vaccine was redeployed in the present. But smallpox had been eradicated, and Mr. Cheney’s worst case scenario never happened. Those who were vaccinated and damaged to protect against a non-existent threat provide a great example illustrating a completely upside down risk benefit ratio. All risk, no benefit. And, appropriately, the smallpox vaccination campaign was halted.

Key takeaway: this is not influenza or COVID - this virus mutates slowly, it is not highly infectious, naturally acquired immunity is potent and long lasting, and Orthopox vaccines are usually cross protective. The risk of immunologic escape is very, very low. And the spread of this virus can be readily stopped by simple, inexpensive classical public health measures. If it were otherwise, we would already have experienced a pandemic of Monkeypox decades ago.

Monkeypox disease severity can vary with different clades (found in different regions in Africa, which also suggest the virus has been around for a very long time). Luckily, this particular clade is less severe and appears to be endemic in Africa. Unfortunately, it has rarely been studied and so relatively little is known about the virus and associated human disease, largely because the infectious threat to the general population is so low. STAT news’ journalist Helen Branswell has recently interviewed CDC experts, and published an excellent summary of the clinical presentation:
“With one to three days of the onset of fever, a distinctive rash appears, often starting on the face. Many conditions can cause rashes but the monkeypox rash has some unusual features, notably the fact that vesicles can form on the palms of the hands. In countries where it is endemic, the virus is believed to mainly spread to people from infected animals when people kill or prepare bushmeat for consumption.
Once the virus jumps to people, human-to-human transmission can occur via respiratory droplets — virus-laced saliva that can infect the mucosal membranes of the eyes, nose, and throat — or by contact with monkeypox lesions or bodily fluids, with the virus entering through small cuts in the skin. It can also be transmitted by contact with clothing or linens contaminated with material from monkeypox lesions. (STAT News).
There was a prior outbreak of Monkeypox in the United States during 2003. That particular outbreak, the first reported outside of Africa, was traced back to the importation of small mammals from Ghana. As shown by this outbreak, multiple animals can contract the disease - during that outbreak, giant pouched rats and squirrels tested positive for the virus and eventually spread it to prairie dogs being sold as pets in multiple Midwestern states (per the CDC). Forty-seven people caught the disease from the prairie dogs. This is important and relevant history, because the current outbreak appears to be occurring from human to human transmission, with no single individual traced as as case zero. There have been a few other outbreaks outside of Africa over the years from travelers coming from Nigeria. It is currently thought that the Monkeypox virus is much more common in Nigeria than has previously been reported.

There is a vaccine that was licensed in the U.S. in 2019 for people 18 years of age and older to protect against smallpox and monkeypox; Bavarian Nordic’s Jynneos. A second vaccine, ACAM2000 made by Emergent Product Development, protects against smallpox and is also thought to offer some protection against monkeypox. Both vaccines are licensed only for people considered at high risk of contracting the disease because they are not entirely safe. In the 2003 Monkeypox outbreak in the U.S., smallpox vaccine was deployed to persons considered at high risk.

The U.S. already holds supplies of the vaccines in the Strategic National Stockpile, a hedge against public health emergencies. “To combat a smallpox emergency, the SNS holds enough smallpox vaccine to vaccinate the entire U.S. population. In addition, the SNS has antiviral drugs that can be deployed to treat smallpox infections, if needed,” a spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services said via email. In my opinion, the 119 Million dollar smallpox vaccine purchase which was just authorized by the US HHS and Biden administration represents an unnecessary and unwarranted expense, unless there are data showing that the current strain is significantly different from the historic predecessor strains within this clade.
The WHO’s Van Kerkhove noted that some of these products have been licensed using what is known as the animal rule, where animal efficacy data are used as a surrogate because the lack of circulating smallpox means the vaccines or drugs can’t be tested for efficacy in people. As a result, any such product could only be used in the context of a clinical trial, she said.
“There are options. We just have to make sure that they’re used appropriately. One of the things related to vaccines is we want to make sure if the vaccines are needed and used, they’re used among populations that need them the most. There’s not ample supply of anything right now,” she said.
Still, she expressed confidence the outbreak can be controlled.
“What we need to do right now is focus on stopping the spread. And we can do that. We can do that with the appropriate messaging, with the appropriate testing … with supportive isolation and clinical care as necessary, with protecting health workers,” Van Kerkhove said. (STAT News).
The Bill Gates funded organization GAVI has provided their assessment of the medical threat posed by Monkeypox, which can be found here. Many readers of this substack will not be surprised by my assessment that this GAVI threat assessment is highly biased towards overstatement. For example, the article seeks to create parallels between Monkeypox and Ebola:
Similar to viruses like Ebola, transmission only happens in close proximity by contact with lesions, body fluids, respiratory droplets or contaminated materials such as bedding or clothes.
The article also states the following pants-on-fire disinformation;
Although symptoms often ease within a month, one in ten cases can be fatal. Children are particularly susceptible.
Factcheck determination by qualified subject matter expert -

This assertion represents a very biased interpretation of a data report from the World Health Organization:
In 2020, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported 4,594 suspected cases of monkeypox, including 171 deaths (case fatality ratio 3.7%). They are described as suspected because confirmation requires PCR testing, which is not easily available in endemic areas.
Those readers who have become sensitized to this type of information manipulation and weaponization will immediately notice two key things about this comment. First, the reported mortality of 3.7% (NOT 10%) of cases is from suspected, not confirmed cases. Secondly, this type of sampling is highly biased towards more severe disease- countries rarely will detect and do not report cases of mild disease to the WHO.

So, is the biothreat real? Is is imminent? Does it justify the global media hype? As I was waiting in an airport lounge to travel from USA to the UK two days ago, I saw a newsreel from CNN which was breathlessly reporting on this “threat” while displaying historic images of patients suffering from Smallpox disease. This provides a classical example of public health fearporn, in my opinion, and CNN should be reprimanded for broadcasting irresponsible propaganda - misinformation and disinformation- under the guise of journalism.

In my opinion, based on currently available information, Monkeypox is a virus and disease which is endemic in Africa, emerges sporadically after transmission into humans from animal hosts, and is typically spread by close human contact. It is readily controlled by classical public health measures. It does not have a high mortality rate. Unless there has been some genetic alteration, either through evolution or intentional genetic manipulation, it is not a significant biothreat, and has never been considered a high threat pathogen in the past.

So stop the fear mongering, misinformation and disinformation.
My interview with the New American is available for viewing, (on Rumble)
”A massive power grab by the UN World Health Organization and the Biden administration — with the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates in the background — is an attempt to subvert national sovereignty and build a one-world government with totalitarian rule, warned mRNA pioneer Dr. Robert Malone in this interview with The New American magazine’s Alex Newman for Conversations That Matter. This is an “impeachable offense” on Biden’s part, he said, warning of the extreme consequences of allowing this to go through. Dr. Malone is calling for criminals to be held accountable and for this power grab to be resisted by all Americans.”
 

jward

passin' thru
It's not just gay men who have mucus membranes, the vagina does as well, of course-
and nothing yet assures us the transference was via those membranes solely, or at all...

That's the "evil genius" predicament in which we find ourselves.
Gloves may be prudent. Masks, less so but possible.
(Not being a turd burglar seems most important at this point)

I think we're gonna see a new level of draconian. They just can't help themselves...
 

jward

passin' thru
The conclusion for home treatment of this condition was similar to that when considering home tx of Ebola:
DONT DO IT- but, for educational purposes. . .

Discussion - monkeypox treatments?
Today, 08:48 PM







Can't find a MonkeyPox specific thread (someone probably should start one), but have some questions / findings:

A few things:
  1. Appears that Ph-Dependency as a treatment issue may not be viable. I think I am seeing that it may have dual entry (1 is ph-dependent; 1 is ph-independent) so they sort of cancel out that aspect. Although I thought I saw a study that referenced Chloroquine as being semi-succesful, but can't find the study again. That mght indcate some ph-dependency treatment benefit. Any help?
  2. Only thing I found so far that appeared to be a succesful approach was Resveratrol. Here is a quote,

    "Resveratrol also significantly reduced the replication of monkeypox virus, a zoonotic virus that is endemic in Western and Central Africa and causes human mortality."

    Came from following study:
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...017.02196/full
  3. Anybody seeing any promising aspects of treatment mechanisms? In studies? Any trends? Saw stories that susggested it being sexually transmissable, but the following research was very interesting, both from an infection timeline, and possible aerosol spread vector. LINK: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...onkeypox_Virus
If there is a main MonkeyPox thread I missed, I am game that thiis be moved there.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
I like Dr. Malone. He may be right about this being benign. Covid is also relatively benign.... look at the absolute chaos that erupted from it. I personally believe this is going to be a Franken virus...

It would be prudent to revisit the covid thread from the Jan 2020 time frame.

People being banned from their bugout property by local municipalities. San juan County Colorado barred nonresidents from being in their county. Other places has scared neighbors dropping trees to trap people in their bugout locations.

Remember the DoomerDoug saga about trying to get a rifle and a few rounds? I never did follow up to see if he got around to zeroing the thing or if he has bothered to train with it since.

How about the .gov confiscation of hand sanitizer from the flippers... and it being harder to find than gold... breweries started making it. Do you at least have a few bottles on hand?

It is absolutely foolish to blow this one off. If bugging out is your plan, may be a good time to take some PTO next week. looks like some escalations are going to be coming from the WHO in the next couple of days.

Fist fights at Costco over bottled water.....

Do not under estimate the danger of the mob!
 

jward

passin' thru
Someone up thread wondered if the sauna location in spain (paradise, now closed indefinitely pending investigations) was a sauna or more akin to a gay bathhouse establishment. . .this seems to suggest the latter.



Yesterday, 10:15 AM




Spain is reporting that most of its cases result from a single mass exposure in a sauna. The timing of this outbreak is far more consistent with a small number of superspreader events than many generations of silent H2H spread.

https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/...2022-monkeypox
Post #5:

"The word sauna is used in Spain to describe establishments popular with gay men looking for sex rather than just a bathhouse."
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jward

passin' thru
nature.com

Monkeypox goes global: why scientists are on alert
Kozlov, Max

7-9 minutes




More than 120 confirmed or suspected cases of monkeypox, a rare viral disease seldom detected outside of Africa, have been reported in at least 11 non-African countries in the past week. The emergence of the virus in separate populations across the world where it doesn’t usually appear has alarmed scientists — and sent them racing for answers.
“It’s eye-opening to see this kind of spread,” says Anne Rimoin, an epidemiologist at the University of California Los Angeles, who has studied monkeypox in the Democratic Republic of the Congo for more than a decade.

Called monkeypox because researchers first detected it in laboratory monkeys in 1958, the virus is thought instead to transmit from wild animals such as rodents to people — or from infected people. In an average year, a few thousand cases occur in Africa, typically in the western and central parts of the continent. But cases outside Africa have been limited to a handful that are associated with travel to Africa or with the importation of infected animals. The number of cases detected outside of Africa in the past week alone — which is all but certain to increase — has already surpassed the number detected outside the continent since 1970, when the virus was first identified as causing disease in humans. This rapid spread is what has scientists on high alert.

But monkeypox is no SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic, says Jay Hooper, a virologist at the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick, Maryland. It doesn’t transmit from person to person as readily, and because it is related to the smallpox virus, there are already treatments and vaccines on hand for curbing its spread. So while scientists are concerned, because any new viral behaviour is worrying — they are not panicked.
Unlike SARS-CoV-2, which spreads through tiny air-borne droplets called aerosols, monkeypox is thought to spread from close contact with bodily fluids, such as saliva from coughing. That means a person with monkeypox is likely to infect far fewer close contacts than someone with SARS-CoV-2, Hooper says. Both viruses can cause flu-like symptoms, but monkeypox also triggers enlarged lymph nodes and, eventually, distinctive fluid-filled lesions on the face, hands and feet. Most people recover from monkeypox in a few weeks without treatment.

On 19 May, researchers in Portugal uploaded the first draft genome of the monkeypox virus that was detected there, but Gustavo Palacios, a virologist at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York City, emphasizes that it’s still a very early draft, and more work needs to be done before drawing any definitive conclusions.
What researchers can tell from this preliminary genetic data is that the monkeypox virus is related to a viral strain predominantly found in western Africa. This strain causes milder disease and has a lower death rate — about 1% in poor, rural populations — compared with the one that circulates in central Africa. But exactly how much the strain causing the current outbreaks differs from the one in western Africa — and whether the viruses popping up in various countries are linked to one another — remains unknown.

Answers to those questions could help determine if the sudden uptick in cases stems from a mutation that allows this monkeypox virus to transmit more readily than those of the past, and if each of the outbreaks traces back to a single origin, says Raina MacIntyre, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia. Unlike SARS-CoV-2, a rapidly-evolving RNA virus whose variants have regularly eluded immunity from vaccines and prior infection, monkeypox virus is a relatively large DNA virus. DNA viruses are better at detecting and repairing mutations than RNA viruses, which means it’s unlikely that the monkeypox virus has suddenly mutated to become adept at human transmission, MacIntyre says.

‘Deeply concerning’
Still, for monkeypox to be detected in people with no apparent connection to one another suggests that the virus might have been spreading silently — a fact that Andrea McCollum, an epidemiologist who heads the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention poxvirus team calls “deeply concerning”.
Unlike SARS-CoV-2, which can spread asymptomatically, monkeypox does not usually go unnoticed when it infects a person, in part because of the skin lesions it causes. If monkeypox could spread asymptomatically, it would be especially troubling because it would make the virus harder to track, McCollum says.
Another puzzle is why almost all of the case clusters include men aged 20–50, many of whom are gay, bisexual and have sex with men (GBMSM). Although monkeypox isn’t known to be sexually transmitted, sexual activity certainly constitutes close contact, Rimoin says. The most likely explanation for this unexpected pattern of transmission, MacIntyre says, is that the virus was coincidentally introduced into a GBMSM community, and the virus has continued circulating there. Scientists will have a better idea of the origin of the outbreaks and the risk factors for infection once an epidemiological investigation is complete, which can take weeks and involves rigorous contact tracing.

Containment strategies
Scientists have been keeping an eye on monkeypox ever since an eradication campaign for smallpox, its cousin virus, wound down in the 1970s. Once smallpox was no longer a threat thanks to worldwide vaccinations, public-health officials stopped recommending smallpox inoculation — which also kept monkeypox at bay. With each year that has passed since smallpox’s eradication, the population with weakened or no immunity to these viruses has grown, MacIntyre says.
There have been a few outbreaks since then. The Democratic Republic of the Congo, for example, has been grappling with monkeypox for decades, and Nigeria has been experiencing a large outbreak, with about 500 suspected and more than 200 confirmed cases, since 2017, when the country reported its first case in more than 39 years. The United States also reported an outbreak in 2003, when a shipment of rodents from Ghana spread the virus to pet prairie dogs in Illinois and infected more than 70 people.

Yet public-health authorities are not powerless against monkeypox. As a precaution against bioterrorism, countries such as the United States maintain a supply of smallpox vaccines, as well as an antiviral treatment thought to be highly effective against the virus. The therapies probably wouldn’t be deployed on a large scale, though, McCollum says. Health-care workers would probably instead use a method called ‘ring vaccination’ to contain the spread of monkeypox: this would vaccinate the close contacts of people who have been infected with monkeypox to cut off any routes of transmission.

On the basis of the data that she has seen so far, McCollum thinks the current outbreaks probably won’t necessitate containment strategies beyond ring vaccination. “Even in areas where monkeypox occurs every day,” she says, “it’s still a relatively rare infection.”
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
It's not just gay men who have mucus membranes, the vagina does as well, of course-
and nothing yet assures us the transference was via those membranes solely, or at all...
Valid point.
Any women infected this week?
I have noticed no gender data.

No doubt that data has been ephemeral lately.;)
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
And for God's sake, DONT PATRONIZE PROSTITUTES, at least for now. It's NOT the "gay sex" that makes gays vulnerable. IT'S THE PROMISCUITY!

Also, HUGGING AND KISSING WHEN THIS PANDEMIC GETS ROLLING IS A DEFINITE
NO ,NO, unless the two of you dont hug or kiss anyone else!
Preaching to the choir Ain't.
I shake hands with DW only.
My social distancing is trending past 6 feet closer to the 200 yard markers off my sandbagged front door turret. ;)
 

jward

passin' thru
Glad you asked. It had been skewed with only men of a certain age- 20ish to 50ish, I think... but just now we see a report of a child. AFAIK still no women, but the cases will continue to rise, at least, for a bit. I'd like to see the #s crunched to show when this event, if successfully contained, should resolve.

As to the data, so far the #s of suspected and confirmed are low enough to actual trace; the graph with the totals from BNO have "source" links in the far column which should lead to whatever reporting documentation put the patient into the presumptive or confirmed columns.

Valid point.
Any women infected this week?
I have noticed no gender data.

No doubt that data has been ephemeral lately.;)
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
nature.com


Unlike SARS-CoV-2, which spreads through tiny air-borne droplets called aerosols, monkeypox is thought to spread from close contact with bodily fluids, such as saliva from coughing. That means a person with monkeypox is likely to infect far fewer close contacts than someone with SARS-CoV-2, Hooper says.


Standard monkeypox maybe. What about a weaponized variant? Take absolutely nothing for granted these days and be extremely aware and watchful until it's proven to be a tempest in a teapot.
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Until such time as the monkeypox virus has been clearly demonstrated to have been weaponized, I will continue to embrace the views expressed by Dr. Malone in post#563-- especially: "stop the fear mongering, misinformation and disinformation."

At this point the pox hysteria appears to me to be a globalist owned media campaign aimed at panicking the public and garnering support for the WHO treaty/power grab. My primary concern is that they have the power to do this....

:siren::hof::siren::hof::siren::hof:

And, of course, as always, my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it...:jstr::jstr::jstr::jstr::jstr:

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Until such time as the monkeypox virus has been clearly demonstrated to have been weaponized, I will continue to embrace the views expressed by Dr. Malone in post#563-- especially: "stop the fear mongering, misinformation and disinformation."

At this point the pox hysteria appears to me to be a globalist owned media campaign aimed at panicking the public and garnering support for the WHO treaty/power grab. My primary concern is that they have the power to do this....

:siren::hof::siren::hof::siren::hof:

And, of course, as always, my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it...:jstr::jstr::jstr::jstr::jstr:

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3:06 PM · May 21, 2022
I concur.
However waiting to get pitcher plants or pitcher plant tincture or anything that can treat or help prevent the MONKEY will be gone.

Already here is a message from the Amish web page that sells the pitcher plant Tincture.

"We are currently on hold for new orders. Due to a large demand on our website, ecommerce platforms and emails pouring in. Rather than delay shipments, we have decided to hold current sales on our products and focus on the prompt delivery of our current orders. Rest assure that we will back soon better than ever. Our apologies for any inconvenience. Thank you for your continued support and God Bless! "
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I concur.
However waiting to get pitcher plants or pitcher plant tincture or anything that can treat or help prevent the MONKEY will be gone.

Already here is a message from the Amish web page that sells the pitcher plant Tincture.

"We are currently on hold for new orders. Due to a large demand on our website, ecommerce platforms and emails pouring in. Rather than delay shipments, we have decided to hold current sales on our products and focus on the prompt delivery of our current orders. Rest assure that we will back soon better than ever. Our apologies for any inconvenience. Thank you for your continued support and God Bless! "
Totally agree. Hope for the best--prepare for the worst...
 

somewherepress

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somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB

psychgirl

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Josh
@joshthepunished


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First photo is monkeypox. Second is Subepidermal blistering disorder aka Autoimmne Blistering Disease, aka bullous phemigold.
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Yes ….but don’t they test specifically for presence of pox virus?
Or ….are they just going on the mere presence of blisters?
Or….it’s a cover up to trigger panic and lockdowns?
 

jward

passin' thru
Well responsible science can only extrapolate so far, and go by the data it has in front of them, right?

The fact that an UNELECTED, FOREIGN BODY has any regulating powers over us is an absolute abomination, and should be systematically met with the business end of a welrod should they try to use them, imho,

..but at this time, they/ Macullom, the epidemiologist who heads the CDC, is suggesting out right that it's likely the only containment strategy used will be that "ring vaccination" per post 570. . .so Imma keep my bic in my pocket for the time being.


I have great respect for Dr. Malone and Dr. John Campbell but neither of them is taking into account that this may be a lab developed variant. It's early days yet and they are likely cautious about raising undue alarm.

Standard monkeypox maybe. What about a weaponized variant? Take absolutely nothing for granted these days and be extremely aware and watchful until it's proven to be a tempest in a teapot.
Until such time as the monkeypox virus has been clearly demonstrated to have been weaponized, I will continue to embrace the views expressed by Dr. Malone in post#563-- especially: "stop the fear mongering, misinformation and disinformation."

At this point the pox hysteria appears to me to be a globalist owned media campaign aimed at panicking the public and garnering support for the WHO treaty/power grab. My primary concern is that they have the power to do this....

:siren::hof::siren::hof::siren::hof:

And, of course, as always, my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it...:jstr::jstr::jstr::jstr::jstr:

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jward

passin' thru
declined to confirm one may be in intensive care?

UK confirms local transmission of monkeypox

AFP
May 22, 2022 7:03 am

Britain is seeing daily infections of the rare monkeypox virus that are unconnected to any travel to West Africa, where the disease is endemic, a health official said on Sunday.


The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said new figures would be released on Monday, after it registered 20 cases on Friday.


Asked if community transmission was now the norm in Britain, UKHSA chief medical adviser Susan Hopkins said “absolutely”.


“We are finding cases that have no identified contact with an individual from West Africa, which is what we’ve seen previously in this country,” she told BBC television.


“We are detecting more cases on a daily basis.”


Hopkins declined to confirm reports that one individual was in intensive care, but said the outbreak was concentrated in urban areas, among gay or bisexual men.


“The risk of the general population remains extremely low at the moment, and I think people need to be alert to it,” she said, adding that for most adults, symptoms would be “relatively mild”.


The first UK case was announced on May 7, in a patient who had recently travelled to Nigeria. The disease is also spreading in Europe and North America.


Monkeypox can be transmitted through contact with skin lesions and droplets of a contaminated person, as well as shared items such as bedding and towels.


Symptoms include fever, muscle aches, swollen lymph nodes, chills, exhaustion and a chickenpox-like rash on the hands and face. They usually clear up after two to four weeks.


There is no specific treatment but vaccination against smallpox has been found to be about 85 percent effective in preventing monkeypox.


Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi said the UK government had already started buying up stocks of smallpox vaccine.


“We’re taking it very, very seriously,” he told the BBC.

 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He’s declining to say because it’s a child in critical condition.
It’s in this link, if someone can post the e tire article please….

 

Matt

Veteran Member
Spreading much faster and clustering over a much broader geographic area than covid....

Yet fools will still get on a cruise ship in the next week or two and then squeal on YouTube about their miserable lock down in their windowless cabins as armed guards forbid anyone from disembarking and countries refuse the vessel from entering their waters...

We have all seen this movie before.... remember they denied h2h on covid and said only those who had been to Wuhan were at risk... they lied then and they lie now!
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
Newest from Bitter Centurion *language warning*

May 21, 2022
MONKEY BUSINESS
Monkey pox. That's what the world is being told we're now supposed to be freaking the hell out over. Because the kung flu, the Ukraine conflict (which has actually been going on for the last 8 friggin years), and the impending food and fuel shortages weren't enough to bring the entire planet beyond the brink of pure insanity.

Apparently, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong here, people who took the mRNA clot shots for the kung flu are supposed to be most susceptible to this new wave of monkey pox. That doesn't surprise me at all, given all the revelations that have come out on how the shots are supposed to weaken and/or kill the human immune system - they essentially cause a vaccine induced form of AIDS.

I've also heard that it's gay men who are mostly coming down with monkey pox. I don't know if that's true and I haven't seen an explanation as to why all the poofters and flamers are prime targets, but again, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was some sort of truth to that. Truth be told, I'm largely indifferent.

If it's true that the new diseases are going for folks who took in the clot shot, well...it seems to me that's probably a textbook example of how karma works. If, IF, this is all true, then I can't say I have a terrible amount of sympathy for most people who went ahead and took the clot shots.

Bottom line: we ****ing told you so. Or at least we tried, in many cases at the cost of our reputations, our livelihoods, and our relationships with families and what was believed to be 'friends'.
I definitely don't feel for the zealots who demanded everyone take the shot and were clamoring for extremely punitive measures, up to and including death, for those who refused. Those people can eat shit and die. To be totally candid, I'll be feeling more than a little 'schadenfreude' in those cases, considering what they were openly talking about doing to me, my family, and people like us.

But I'm also having a difficult time mustering up any sympathy for the people who perhaps weren't overly enthusiastic about taking the shots, but at the same time, kept their mouths shut and didn't stand up and speak out or do something against what they knew, deep down, was wrong. It's been said 'God hates a coward'. I'm no different.
I consider what I did. I refused to follow unlawful orders. I walked away from my career. The ensuing stress and hardship I and my family had to (and still) endure probably costed me my health, among many other things too. But yet, I'm nothing special. Anybody could have done what I did, and truth be told, if more people on the Force (and in the Government of Canada, for that matter) did, Big Trudy and his mandates would have fallen flat. But no. Instead, the vast majority of people there kept their mouths shut, took the table scraps, and carried on. Even though the orders haven't been issued (yet) to 'deal with the unvaccinated', I still believe that pretty much every single member still collecting a paycheck and wearing a uniform would have shown up for work and done what they were told. Perhaps we will never know how far that would have gone, but given events of the last century under similar circumstances, we can perhaps give an educated guess.
In the end, they proved irrefutably that they, and the institutions they represent, are only as good as they're allowed to be. It is because of the cowardly who remained silent and didn't want to rock the boat, those who went along to get along, that the evil and cruel in our government were able to accomplish what they did - all because it was those people that did and said nothing when they were needed to.

There are some exceptions, but very, very few.
So if these people fall ill with monkey pox or whatever, I can honestly say I don't give a good God damn. I might not go out of my way to harm any of them, but I sure as hell won't lift a finger to help them. "Choices have consequences", I frequently heard from those who pushed the clot shot onto others. Well, yes. Choices DO have consequences, which they're going to find out also.

Does that make me a horrible person? Probably. But I don't care anymore. I'm getting pretty close to being tapped out, to be honest. Sympathy? You'll find mine in Webster's Dictionary, between 'shit' and 'syphillis'.
The universe always takes out it's trash. Perhaps 'garbage day' is soon.
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