CORONA Masks, no. Poor hygiene is how COVID spreads. But they can’t make the jump.

Mr.Smith

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If you caught COVID-19, you likely ate at a restaurant, CDC report finds
By Susana Guerrero, SFGATE
Updated 7:58 am PDT, Sunday, September 13, 2020
  • FILE -- A new study by the CDC says that persons who had COVID-19 were twice as likely to have dined at a restaurant before becoming sick. Photo: Halbergman/Getty Images

Photo: Halbergman/Getty Images

FILE -- A new study by the CDC says that persons who had COVID-19 were twice as likely to have dined at a restaurant before becoming sick.

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A new report by the CDC has linked COVID-19 cases to dining at restaurants.
In a month-long investigation completed in July, the CDC analyzed symptomatic outpatients from 11 U.S. health care facilities and found that adults who became infected with COVID-19 had reported dining at indoor or outdoor restaurants two weeks before getting sick.

“Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results,” the CDC wrote.
For the study, 154 symptomatic adults formed the case-patients and had tested positive for COVID-19. They were then compared to control participants, which included 160 adults who were symptomatic outpatients from the same health care facilities with negative test results.

According to the report, there weren’t significant differences observed between the groups when it came to participating in activities that didn’t include going to a restaurant. They included: retail shopping, gyms, salons, using public transportation, gatherings of 10 or less in a home, going to an office setting, or going to a bar or coffee shop.

So, why the discrepancy? The big culprit was the use of masks.
“Exposures and activities where mask use and social distancing are difficult to maintain, including going to places that offer on-site eating or drinking, might be important risk factors for acquiring COVID-19,” the CDC wrote. “Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use.”

The CDC added that reports of exposure in restaurants have been linked to poor air circulation where direction, ventilation and intensity of airflow might affect the transmission of the virus, even if restaurants are following guidelines.

“As communities reopen, efforts to reduce possible exposures at locations that offer on-site eating and drinking options should be considered to protect customers, employees, and communities.”

In San Francisco, restaurant patrons are required to wear face masks whenever they wait to be seated, leave the table or when a server takes their order. Masks are not required only when eating or drinking. But even as restaurateurs have adapted to the new normal, regulating mask usage is a complicated dance between being hospitable and following safety rules.
"There’s not enough money to have five extra staff just lifeguarding everybody to have a mask on between every bite," Ben Bleiman of Tonic Nightlife Group and the San Francisco Entertainment Commission told SFGATE last month. "We’re not kindergarten teachers. We’re really good at making people follow the rules, but asking somebody to do something seven times is really hard when it doesn’t rise to an egregious error."
The latest California COVID-19 report indicated that the state has a total 742,865 positive cases and 13,978 deaths.

 

Mr.Smith

Isa:54:16: Behold, I have created the smith
To editorialize, the real vector of contamination is direct contact, as has always been the case, with every virus. The sanitary practices of service workers, being particularly diverse culturally, are frequently “questionable”.
The earliest reported observations of this Chinese scourge are in the sewage systems of Europe, as this virus is remains viable in excrement.
Diversity and inclusion is contamination and corruption. And poor hygiene is directly to blame.
Regardless of the MSM insistence that masks are the key, they continue to ignore the obvious smoking gun... Direct contact and poor hygiene and sanitary practices, particularly in food handling situations.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Actually the report goes on to say that it was eat-in restaurants whether indoors or outside on the patio that were the problem. There was no such large increase in Covid for drive thru.
The problem is close proximity and poor ventilation. Breathing the same air and droplets that others have just exhaled is the main problem.

Salmonella, Shigella and a few other diseases are the diseases primarily spread by food handlers and actual physical contact.

It is possible to catch Covid through physical contact, but according to all sources including the CDC, respiratory spread is by far the most common.
 

To-late

Senior Member
Actually the article writer was just talking through her butt. Supposing a unestablished idea with no effort on her behalf.
Its just an article to spring fear on people dining out.
Sanitation in food establishments have always been a problem for catching sicknesses.
Its nothing new.
 

catskinner

Senior Member
So, according to the CDC, eating in a restaurant is now risky behavior. Anybody else see this as an attempt to destroy what is left of the restaurant industry?

Will they change their mind in a month or two? That's what they usually do, of course by then, the damage is done.

Sorry, but I have zero faith in anything the CDC tells me. Do your own research and decide for yourself. And, no, I don't have any connection to the restaurant industry. Ever since obummercare, I have taken a huge offense at being told what is good for me. I'm an adult with several functioning brain cells, I can decide for myself.
 

FireDance

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well, wash your hands after going poo should be obvious. However, WASH your hands. I used to always take a trip to the bathroom prior to eating out just to wash.

For various reasons, I’m not really big on hand sanitizers. Wash is better. But develop GOOD technique and know how to escape the bathroom after you have washed. It takes some work to get into the proper habits.

To me, hand sanitizer is emergency use only. I’d rather use straight alcohol. But that’s my opinion. Everyone has one.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Says nothing about poor hygiene. The people who are out and about in public , often without a mask, are more likely to catch it. Last I heard masks are off while eating.
You should be adult enough to take the risk. But it's still spread primarily via the air.
 

Faroe

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Any mask that you have touched after putting on once, is a disease vector.

As for places that serve food to the public, I used to get the flu every year, and I ate out frequently. After deciding that eating out was a useless waste of money, I magically stopped getting the flu. Took a few years to make the connection - was an unexpected benefit.

Prepare your food and coffee at home!
 

ShadowMan

Crusty ol' Codger
Ever use a PUBLIC restroom??? I would wager that >75% +/- of the patrons DON'T wash their hands afterwards!! How many people do you see wash their hands before eating? Zip to none!! That's not what our Momma's taught us!! And by the way....did you touch the door handle on the way out, AFTER you washed your hands. Guess what, you just negated your hand washing, because 75% of the people that didn't wash their hands just touched that door handle. :kk2:

Ever work in a restaurant? Been in the backrooms, food prep areas, kitchen, grill? Every cleaned up a resturant at the end of the night? If you have you probably rarely ever eat out. I have, and in the navy part of my duties included Food Service Sanitation Inspector....OMG!! Some of the things I saw. Flagrant violations and down right ignorance and stupidity in food handling!! Filth, bugs, critters, you name it.

It takes A LOT OF HARD WORK to run a clean restaurant kitchen and facility. A lot of rubbing and scrubbing and elbow grease to keep everything clean and sanitary. It can be done....but it's a hellava lot of work, and it's usually the lowest paid workers whose job it is to keep the place clean......consider that last bit. Remember, you get what you pay for. Think about that.
 

Faroe

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Economic fact of life: The staff will cook and serve the food while sick. Food service workers don't get sick leave. Generally, if one is out sick a week or two with the flu, there won't be a job to come back to. They have rent to pay like everyone else.

On the other note: Doesn't matter how clean the establishment itself is. The places I've worked in were actually pretty well cleaned, and temps for refrigeration and cooking were adequate. I think it is the contact surfaces that cause the problem. The same cloth is used to wipe every table clean - disgusting! Fix that, and there is still the table condiment dispensers, every door handle, and the chair back that you touched when you pulled it out to sit down. No amount of scrubbing between patrons, even with single use disposable towels is going to sanitize all that. (Don't even get me started on the mechanical dish washing machines....)
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
It seems to me like this article is just another way to keep the covid plandemic in the news.
:shk:

It's out there, it's not going to magically disappear. Everyone will eventually get it.
The best thing a person can do is to boost their body's immune system in order to defeat the virus very quickly.

Covid is barely on my radar any more.
 

nomifyle

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I definitely wash my hands after poo, or when my hands are really dirty. I'm careful in the kitchen to keep bacteria at bay, but I am not anal about it. I have never been a germ freak, hell I ate dirt in my great grandmother's driverway and 73 years later I've lived to tell about it. However, I do not think the dirt of yesteryear is the same dirt of today. A healthy immune system can withstand some dirt. Mine is healthy, my biggest problem is that I can eat like a field hand.

DH is inclined to wash his hands from out side in the kitchen sink, to me that is a no no. His first wife washed her hair in the kitchen sink, my mother taught me not to do that, whatever.

The masks are a pain in the ass, and mine is pretty grody, I do not have it on one second more than I can get by with.

God is good all the time and prayerfully he will save us from all the insanity.

Judy
 

Outlaw-16

Contributing Member
Did anyone notice where this article originate from? SFGate - San Francisco Chronicle. Take a minute and consider this. Article written in San Francisco aka Scat Francisco. The city where the cruise lines informed the city council to clean up around the parking garages and cruise ship terminals or they would be taking their business elsewhere. The city where someone created an app - the crap app, to inform residents and tourists about the streets to avoid due to fecal matter. Taking all that into consideration, of course, eating in San Francisco will increase your chances of getting sick, sick from anything not just CV. Fecal matter in the air, blowing into A/C units, blowing into home and car windows, blowing into restaurants and landing on food. Makes perfect sense to avoid eating anything in San Francisco.

That being said, I agree that eating in a restaurant can be and has been proven to be risky. But, there is no correlation of data, as one member stated, of any increase of cases from people using the drive-thru or take-out options. It would appear the study, though faulty if conducted in SF, does not take all vectors into consideration when stating people are getting sick eating out.
 

Mary Contrary

Veteran Member
Actually the report goes on to say that it was eat-in restaurants whether indoors or outside on the patio that were the problem. There was no such large increase in Covid for drive thru.
The problem is close proximity and poor ventilation. Breathing the same air and droplets that others have just exhaled is the main problem.

Salmonella, Shigella and a few other diseases are the diseases primarily spread by food handlers and actual physical contact.

It is possible to catch Covid through physical contact, but according to all sources including the CDC, respiratory spread is by far the most common.
I go thro drive thro a lot. I get my food in like 2 minutes. I am amazed at how fast they do it! I usually get the dollar tacos and dollar burgers.
 

Mary Contrary

Veteran Member
Well, wash your hands after going poo should be obvious. However, WASH your hands. I used to always take a trip to the bathroom prior to eating out just to wash.

For various reasons, I’m not really big on hand sanitizers. Wash is better. But develop GOOD technique and know how to escape the bathroom after you have washed. It takes some work to get into the proper habits.

To me, hand sanitizer is emergency use only. I’d rather use straight alcohol. But that’s my opinion. Everyone has one.
The bottles of "hand sanitizers" say "kills GERMS". It does not say kills virus!!! I don't trust them!
 

Mary Contrary

Veteran Member
Ever use a PUBLIC restroom??? I would wager that >75% +/- of the patrons DON'T wash their hands afterwards!! How many people do you see wash their hands before eating? Zip to none!! That's not what our Momma's taught us!! And by the way....did you touch the door handle on the way out, AFTER you washed your hands. Guess what, you just negated your hand washing, because 75% of the people that didn't wash their hands just touched that door handle. :kk2:

Ever work in a restaurant? Been in the backrooms, food prep areas, kitchen, grill? Every cleaned up a resturant at the end of the night? If you have you probably rarely ever eat out. I have, and in the navy part of my duties included Food Service Sanitation Inspector....OMG!! Some of the things I saw. Flagrant violations and down right ignorance and stupidity in food handling!! Filth, bugs, critters, you name it.

It takes A LOT OF HARD WORK to run a clean restaurant kitchen and facility. A lot of rubbing and scrubbing and elbow grease to keep everything clean and sanitary. It can be done....but it's a hellava lot of work, and it's usually the lowest paid workers whose job it is to keep the place clean......consider that last bit. Remember, you get what you pay for. Think about that.
I never use rest rooms. I keep a nice tupperware under the car seat and a napkin inside it. Then at home i throw away and wash out.
 

Kathy in FL

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Several researchers are finding it is cross contamination and not airborne that is the culprit. And it looks like all of the masks are very much a vector because of this.
 

FireDance

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The bottles of "hand sanitizers" say "kills GERMS". It does not say kills virus!!! I don't trust them!
Well, I believe it was Purell that admitted it wouldn’t kill this virus. Lost in my memory.

My problem with them in the first place is that you really can’t get your hands clean with them. If I use more than once them I’m left with some kind of sticky crap on my hands.

This leads me to believe that they are probably not helping, but hurting. These are the ones I’ve used at work and I would call it a generic product.

At the hospital we had something that was better grade and they were outside every room. Your badge was tied into a system to show if you used it. BUT the product did not make your hands sticky and was fine until you could wash your hands. But people being people learned how to bypass the system so they had “perfect usage “ numbers.

Again, I use it in an emergency, but don’t rely on them. That’s just my opinion.

And not wanting to tarnish Purell, look that up to make sure that’s who it was. Could be they were the ONLY one
 

fish hook

Veteran Member
It seems to me like this article is just another way to keep the covid plandemic in the news.
:shk:

It's out there, it's not going to magically disappear. Everyone will eventually get it.
The best thing a person can do is to boost their body's immune system in order to defeat the virus very quickly.

Covid is barely on my radar any more.
I think that is a dangerous place to be.It is kinda like riding a motorcycle,It is when you get complacent that you are in the greatest danger.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
I think that is a dangerous place to be.It is kinda like riding a motorcycle,It is when you get complacent that you are in the greatest danger.
Why stay wound up over a virus that's not even as deadly as the annual flu?
Is boosting one's immune system complacency?
I refuse to be manipulated by the MSM and live in fear. I'll leave that to the herds of sheep that are mindlessly following the edicts of power hungry psychopaths.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So restaurants are the new coronavirus breeding ground.

Just great.

I've trained two separate people in the past two weeks. At the end of their training we go and have a long lunch to review, chat, "open up" the person for work through dispatch, etc. Been in two different DC area Panera bread restaurants. Yikes!
 

fish hook

Veteran Member
Why stay wound up over a virus that's not even as deadly as the annual flu?
Is boosting one's immune system complacency?
I refuse to be manipulated by the MSM and live in fear. I'll leave that to the herds of sheep that are mindlessly following the edicts of power hungry psychopaths.
This is the part i was addressing in my comment. "Covid is barely on my radar any more ".There is certainly nothing wrong with boosting your immune system.I hardily encourage it,and do so myself.
 

FireDance

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So restaurants are the new coronavirus breeding ground.

Just great.

I've trained two separate people in the past two weeks. At the end of their training we go and have a long lunch to review, chat, "open up" the person for work through dispatch, etc. Been in two different DC area Panera bread restaurants. Yikes!
Ick. Well. Take your lunch next time. Alas, Panera is hard for me to turn down. Thankfully they don’t have one here in the sticks.
 

Babs

Veteran Member
Most places don't have paper towels,all going to blowers.
If they don't have towels, I go and grab a piece of toilet tissue to open the door with. I will NOT touch door handles. And, I do not use the blower dryers either. I figure they just blow the germs around in the restroom....I'd rather let them air dry.
 

TidesofTruth

Veteran Member
Poor Hygiene is correct as to the spread, however if you get sick it is not necessarily due to your own hygiene but someone else's. Look at the areas where it is occurring the most and you have your answers. Chicago does not have a high rate of covid in the gold coast but amazingly enough on the south and west sides where all the shootings occur it is booming. Same in Northern Lake County Indiana and not in the further south or eastern more affluent suburbs. It has nothing to do with access to healthcare because access for all social economic classes are shut down right now. It is strictly cleanliness.
 
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