EBOLA MANY Hosp SUBCONTRACT out LAB work- now refused ANY lab TESTS of suspect Ebola patients!

[ainitfunny]

Getting a lab test for anemia, white cell count, and hundreds of other indicators critical to diagnosis is becoming harder.
Because "on site" laboratories are so expensively destructive of bottom line profits, many, many hospitals, clinics and other health care facilities have transitioned to OUTSOURCED, subcontracted testing of blood, urine, tissue and other specimens.

Subcontractors doing lab work for MANY hospitals and clinics across the nation have announced they WILL NOT DO ANY LAB TESTS AT ALL ON SUSPECTED EBOLA PATIENTS (WHO May actually be deathly ill from OTHER CAUSES )AND who MAY DIE untreated UNNECESSARILY because doctors can't test FOR ANYTHING on them, tests which may help them find out what is REALLY wrong with the patient!!

It is LOGICAL what the labs are saying "we do not have LEVEL 4 containment for any Ebola infected samples". But this poses a SERIOUS threat to merely ill, NOT EBOLA INFECTED PEOPLE!

Anyone know how to fix THAT problem?

 

[night driver]

ABSOLUTELY!!!

They don't have BSL-4 environments.

No-brainer

 

[pooreboy]

The ripple effect through the medical fields are just now being realized. It take a lot of folks to register, diagnose, test and treat patients coming into a large hospital. I wander how many will walk away from their jobs? I pray for our HCW's.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Getting a lab test for anemia, white cell count, and hundreds of other indicators critical to diagnosis is becoming harder.
Because "on site" laboratories are so expensively destructive of bottom line profits, many, many hospitals, clinics and other health care facilities have transitioned to OUTSOURCED, subcontracted testing of blood, urine, tissue and other specimens.

Subcontractors doing lab work for MANY hospitals and clinics across the nation have announced they WILL NOT DO ANY LAB TESTS AT ALL ON SUSPECTED EBOLA PATIENTS (WHO May actually be deathly ill from OTHER CAUSES )AND who MAY DIE untreated UNNECESSARILY because doctors can't test FOR ANYTHING on them, tests which may help them find out what is REALLY wrong with the patient!!

It is LOGICAL what the labs are saying "we do not have LEVEL 4 containment for any Ebola infected samples". But this poses a SERIOUS threat to merely ill, NOT EBOLA INFECTED PEOPLE!

Anyone know how to fix THAT problem?

Ainit:

Are you hypothesizing this scenario or do you have a link to the original story where you got this info?

It does not surprise me and it does make sense.

Kris

 

[Lilbitsnana]

I saw this earlier. It should at least help out TX.

Sebastian Robertson ‏@wfaasebastian 9h9 hours ago

#BREAKING #Dallas #HHSD dir confirms county labs cleared by Feds to start #Ebola testing #CDC #wfaa @DCHHS

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Ainit:

Are you hypothesizing this scenario or do you have a link to the original story where you got this info?

It does not surprise me and it does make sense.

Kris

Kris, I posted tweets from Labcorp and Quest (sp?) several days ago, that they will no longer test any samples (any kind) of suspected Ebola patients.

 

[ainitfunny]

Ainit:

Are you hypothesizing this scenario or do you have a link to the original story where you got this info?

It does not surprise me and it does make sense.

Kris

I am NOT HYPOTHECATING.
I CANNOT identify the source,, but it should be readily and easily verifiable.
Apparantly, I am the first one to publicly break this major problem and story.
Libits- i did not see your post BUT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SEE HOW THIS THREATENS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE EBOLA!

God help anyone ON THAT CRUISE SHIP, or on a "later flight" from the Vinson Cleveland plane, who has a virtual zero chance of having contracted Ebola from just being there, IF THEY GET APPENDICITIS or life threateningly serious FLU IN THE the next three weeks!

 

[Lilbitsnana]

here

Jonathan Reiner ‏@JReinerMD Oct 14

Labcorp tells providers not to send any blood samples for any test from patients suspected of having #Ebola

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Unintended/unexpected consequences...

Sticky situations like this are why we need a REAL Ebola Czar rather than a spin doctor. Someone that knows what they are doing needs to be sorting things like this out.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

I am NOT HYPOTHECATING.
I CANNOT identify the source,, but it should be readily and easily verifiable.
Apparantly, I am the first one to publicly break this major problem and story.
Libits- i did not see your post BUT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SEE HOW THIS THREATENS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE EBOLA!

No. I posted several days ago, I just didn't start a special thread and a couple of people have posted the last day or so.

 

[Be Well]

Then any illness anyone has with EBV symptoms, no matter if they just flew in from Liberia or Sierria Leone, will be "Nobola".

 

[Cascadians]

The hospitals I've worked in have handled this type of thing in this way:

If something is too inconvenient or complicated, it simply is not addressed. It is skirted.

They will say to the nurses, "Just assume everybody has Ebola and practice Universal Precautions. We cannot do anything for these patients anyway except general supportive care. They either live or die, and intubation and dialysis are ruled out; anything heroic or more invasive than an IV line are not worth it."

They simply will not know or care about an Ebola diagnosis. The nurses will become familiar with the disease progression. The Drs may learn when to start a morphine drip so the patient passes on before the bleeding. In any case, the nurses will learn to protect themselves or die, but Ebola won't be named or diagnosed.

 

[Lilbitsnana]

Here's one on Quest (not sure it's the one I originally posted, but same general info)

CBSDenver ‏@CBSDenver Oct 15

RT @Briancbs4: Major lab says no to #Ebola patients, Ebola blood: http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/10/...o-doctors-not-accepting-ebola-blood-patients/ …

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Quest Diagnostics To Doctors: Not Accepting Ebola Blood, Patients
October 15, 2014 12:44 PM
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DENVER (CBS4) – CBS4 has learned that Quest Diagnostics, the nation’s largest diagnostic lab company, has told doctors, hospitals and health care providers nationwide the company will not accept blood samples suspected of being infected with Ebola; and will not knowingly allow any patients suspected of having Ebola into Quest offices.

In a message sent Oct. 11 to hospitals and doctors, Quest Diagnostics said, “Patients with known or suspected Ebola hemorrhagic fever should not be referred to Quest Patient Service Centers or Quest In-Office Phlebotomists for specimen collections of any type.”

CBS4 contacted Wendy Horst, a Quest spokesperson. She said, “We have informed clinicians that Quest Diagnostics does not provide Ebola testing and that we recommend that they refer to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for information about testing for this virus in the United States.”

Quest operates about 2,200 service centers and employs 41,000 people. The multi- billion dollar company says it touches the lives of about 30 percent of American adults every year.

The company bulletin goes on to say, “Patients not previously identified as known or suspect Ebola cases, but presenting to PSC or IOP will be queried about prior travel to an endemic area of Ebola infection. If such travel has occurred, specimens will not be collected and the health care provider will be contacted.”

Dr. Daniel Teitlebaum, a Denver-based expert in preventive and occupational medicine, said the Quest notice was “very prudent. That is a very careful decision to protect their own staff. It’s also a reflection of the fact that standard blood protocols are not adequate for Ebola samples.”

Essentially Quest is saying, ”We are not equipped to handle this,” said Teitlebaum.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/10/...o-doctors-not-accepting-ebola-blood-patients/

 

[Babs]

My child had to have some labs done yesterday. This was in a hospital lab in our VERY small town. I was talking to the lab supervisor and she told me that they had received a federal grant years ago, and if she recalled correctly it was during the Anthrax scare, for a "Hood". I'm assuming this is the type of hood that we see in all of the photos lately. She also said that they had gone through the EB training. What was really interesting is that when I said that I believe that this was airborne, she agreed. She also said that the level of incompetence and misinformation coming from the CDC was unbelievable. And, then she said in a hushed tone, "it makes you wonder if it's deliberate".

 

[Publius]

ABSOLUTELY!!!

They don't have BSL-4 environments.

No-brainer

This^^^^^^ and I don't blame them for refusing to handle the stuff.

 

[ainitfunny]

This^^^^^^ and I don't blame them for refusing to handle the stuff.

You wouldn't have such a black and white opinion if you had been on that cruise ship and KNEW you weren't exposed and were sitting in emergency actually sick with appendicitis, but with nobody willing to do a white blood cell count or other diagnostic tests on you.

 

[kittyknits]

This is really interesting information. Thanks for starting the discussion Ainit.